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Forum Mafia Game #1
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redbaron
irony based lifeform
Tbh, I'm town and even though we're probably going to lose I'm having and have had lots of fun.
You play to win and if you lose you learn things. Stop taking game so serious please.
You play to win and if you lose you learn things. Stop taking game so serious please.
Puffy
"Wtf even was that"
- le sigh - I'm really sorry ESC. If I'm honest I'm still unsure, but at this point I think a lynch is better than none and I'm unsure if any other candidates will be considered by six people.
vote EyeSeeCold
vote EyeSeeCold
Happy
sorry for english
This is my main obstacle. I have some theories on who the cop is and what they've done (it's not me btw - I fucking wish it was though - I know exactly what I'd have done with that power).
redbaron
irony based lifeform
Tbh if I wasn't so obviously not cop I'd really be trying to make it as confusing as possible for the mafia, by trying to make out that I was without making it too obvious that I was.
It's just another reason for town to be as active and inquisitive as possible, to cover for the cop. If the cop has a guilty read and they need to start hammering on that person to get them lynched, it shouldn't look like an out-of-place behaviour that the mafia can target.
I actually had Helvete pegged as a potential cop near the start and I was quite relieved when it turned out he wasn't.
I'm pretty sure I know who cop is, but I'm also pretty sure that they don't have a guilty read. If they do, then I've done a shit job reading between the lines and haven't managed to pick up on the target.
My apologies if that's the case Mr. Cop.
QuickTwist
Spiritual "Woo"
Official Vote Count:
1. Hadoblado - 2, ruminator, Sinny91
2. Nebulous - 0
3. Happy - 0
4. Zerkalo - 0
5. ruminator - 0
6. redbaron - 1, Happy
7. Puffy - 1, zerkalo
8.Rook Vanilla Townie
9.Helvete Vanilla Townie
10.Cheeseumpuffs Vanilla Townie
11. Sinny91 - 0
12.EyeSeeCold - 6, EyeSeeCold, Hadoblado, Nebulous, redbaron, Happy, Puffy
13. Artsu Tharaz - 1, Artsu Tharaz
Not Voting - 0
EyeSeeCold HAS BEEN LYNCHED! HE WAS:
VANILLA TOWNIE
Special Note:
NIGHT PHASE WILL BE 1 HOUR LATER THAN EXPECTED. HAVE YOUR NIGHT ACTIONS IN 1 HOUR BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF THE NEXT DAY OR I WILL USE THE LAST VALID NIGHT ACTION MADE.
Night Phase is over in ~1day 0hours 50min
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160524T12&p0=159&font=cursive
1. Hadoblado - 2, ruminator, Sinny91
2. Nebulous - 0
3. Happy - 0
4. Zerkalo - 0
5. ruminator - 0
6. redbaron - 1, Happy
7. Puffy - 1, zerkalo
8.
9.
10.
11. Sinny91 - 0
12.
13. Artsu Tharaz - 1, Artsu Tharaz
Not Voting - 0
EyeSeeCold HAS BEEN LYNCHED! HE WAS:
VANILLA TOWNIE
Special Note:
NIGHT PHASE WILL BE 1 HOUR LATER THAN EXPECTED. HAVE YOUR NIGHT ACTIONS IN 1 HOUR BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF THE NEXT DAY OR I WILL USE THE LAST VALID NIGHT ACTION MADE.
Night Phase is over in ~1day 0hours 50min
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160524T12&p0=159&font=cursive
IT IS NOW NIGHT
DO NOT POST!!!
Sinny91
Banned
Sorry QT, important note:
Does somebody want to take my position before I modkill myself?
... mumble, time commitments and all, mumble..
Does somebody want to take my position before I modkill myself?
... mumble, time commitments and all, mumble..
QuickTwist
Spiritual "Woo"
NIGHT ACTIONS HAVE BEEN LOCKED IN.
GAME WILL START WHEN I SHOW THE NIGHT KILL IN ~28MIN
GAME WILL START WHEN I SHOW THE NIGHT KILL IN ~28MIN
QuickTwist
Spiritual "Woo"
redbaron HAS BEEN KILLED! HE WAS:
VANILLA TOWNIE
Player list:
1. Hadoblado
2. Nebulous
3. Happy
4. Zerkalo
5. ruminator
6.redbaron Vanilla Townie
7. Puffy
8.Rook Vanilla Townie
9.Helvete Vanilla Townie
10.Cheeseumpuffs Vanilla Townie
11. Sinny91
12.EyeSeeCold Vanilla Townie
13. Artsu Tharaz
GAME DAY ENDS IN ~1DAY 23HOURS 50MIN
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160526T12&p0=159&font=cursive
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
This is Lynch or Lose for Town.
VANILLA TOWNIE
Player list:
1. Hadoblado
2. Nebulous
3. Happy
4. Zerkalo
5. ruminator
6.
7. Puffy
8.
9.
10.
11. Sinny91
12.
13. Artsu Tharaz
GAME DAY ENDS IN ~1DAY 23HOURS 50MIN
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160526T12&p0=159&font=cursive
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
This is Lynch or Lose for Town.
YOU MAY POST!!!
Sinny91
Banned
New, New Suspects List:
Cheese
Helvete
Baron
Eye's
Sinny
Ruminator
Puffy
Zerk
Artsu
Happy
Hado
Neb
VOTE HADO
Baron, you sucked as Townie, nice going.
Fuck your suicidal selves. I'm not spending this round repeating myself.
Sinny91
Banned
To knock our confidence .. in to disproving our read on Baron.
I believe Zerk and Neb were both very assured that both Baron and HADO were NOT mafia.
So my gaze is ow cast onto them. I also need to double check the context of the other suspects contributions.
Me and Eye's have both been loyal Townie's, and offered ourselves as targets on the Mafias plate to help bring some clarity, organisation and a decent lynch for Towns people. I stand by accusations of Baron being a shitty influence who offered Town nothing but a very poor voting record and fuel for Hado's fire.
Nebulous
Well-Known Member
@Hado
What the frick frack diddily dack patty wack snick snack crack pack slack mack quarterback crackerjack biofeedback backtrack thumbtack sidetrack tic-tac is going on
I was so sure that we'd found the mafia (ESC, Ruminator, Puffy)
If you are mafia you're amazing at it, wow.
*sigh*
I'll try to reread some stuff and make a suspicion list :/
What the frick frack diddily dack patty wack snick snack crack pack slack mack quarterback crackerjack biofeedback backtrack thumbtack sidetrack tic-tac is going on
I was so sure that we'd found the mafia (ESC, Ruminator, Puffy)
If you are mafia you're amazing at it, wow.
*sigh*
I'll try to reread some stuff and make a suspicion list :/
Sinny91
Banned
That was actually really fun to say out loud.
TOWNIE TEAM, I'm more than willing to take out Hado or Neb.
Artsu, fuck you for not talking... See if you are Townie dead weight, I will never forgive you.
Puffy
"Wtf even was that"
A) He needs this round to appear like he is not mafia, and killing off RB as someone he aligned with is the easiest means of trying to get attention off himself. He can just say ‘if i’m mafia, i’d let rb live to defend me.’
B) RB had started being less confident about his read on hado towards the end of last round; he stated over and over again that RB is the strongest town player. If he is mafia and thinks he might die this round he can at least take out the biggest threat to the mafia now and luck out if RB was cop.
Are possibilities.
Sinny91
Banned
RB was a tool, go figure.
Nebulous
Well-Known Member
I'm town, I swear. Don't waste a lynch on me.
Gotta look through stuff again
Gotta look through stuff again
Sinny91
Banned
Could you just try to sound more convincing?
I'm pissed at everyone who lynched Eyes, including Eyes.
I'm supposed to be the loose here, but you guys... Are fucking animals.
Sinny91
Banned
WARNING:
And it's not even a case of having the full DAY TIME.
Vote's trump the time scale and we cannot afford to be caught off guard once more.
We need consensus and we cant afford to drag it out.
Is everybody DONE with being pushed around by Hado and his henchies?
And it's not even a case of having the full DAY TIME.
Vote's trump the time scale and we cannot afford to be caught off guard once more.
We need consensus and we cant afford to drag it out.
Is everybody DONE with being pushed around by Hado and his henchies?
Puffy
"Wtf even was that"
Well, I'm especially sorry (to ESC in particular) given that I stood up for ESC. But the way I saw it was that there were four options: me, ESC, Hado, no one.
I knew that I'm town, so no point in me. I knew that divided vote would be no use as otherwise we'd just be repeating the same argument over today with little progress. I didn't see six votes happening against Hado, so it only left ESC.
At the very least its confirmed that Hado has led and pressured people into two lynches on innocent targets, which is very interesting indeed.
I'm also re-reading things over Neb, cooking at same time. brb.
Nebulous
Well-Known Member
Yea. I feel so used.
We should probably lynch Hado today. You have my vote but I want to have some sort of explanation to go with it. Also I know that "I'm town" isn't convincing at all. I'm in class rn and can't really write much.
I found Hado and RB's reasoning about ESC Rumi and Puffy being the mafia to be pretty legit. I still suspected Hado although he dropped from red to orangish yellow.
I should have trusted my initial perceptions. On Day One I was almost positive that he was mafia.
Sinny91
Banned
Yea well, there would have been a number of developments had you all restrained yourselves. Me and Zerk could have cut deal, Eye's would have unvoted himself.. And then you vote could have swung to Hado.
But noooo.... You were all easily swayed in the wrong direction, AGAIN.
It's not interesting at all, it's predictable and boring. Me and eye's called Hado out on day one, and nearly everybody has suspected him at some point. But you all seem to have developed Stockholm Syndrome.
QuickTwist
Spiritual "Woo"
If Town does not lynch Mafia today they lose.
QuickTwist
Spiritual "Woo"
Special Note:
I will accept No Lynch as a valid vote.
I will accept No Lynch as a valid vote.
Puffy
"Wtf even was that"
Eh, well, I was going to do this sometime tomorrow but I'm currently unsure what time I will be available.
Of everyone in the game, I feel the most confident that Hado is mafia right now. In the beginning stages of this game I was persuaded by his case. I looked at the guides online he referenced, and what he was saying seemed consistent. I started with a strong town reading, but was becoming suspicious of him throughout the last round. I wanted to keep it to myself and assume he was town due to his pro-town seeming activity until I could test my suspicions.
I decided to go with his ESC read and give him the benefit of the doubt as either way I didn’t see the vote going any other way, and it seemed beneficial:
A) ESC flips red and I know that Hado is green, and probably Redbaron too, which gives us a strong position this round.
B) ESC flips green, and I have strong reason to suspect Hado as being mafia.
Premise:
— He has admitted to having the most experience at this game. He knows what a mafia player typically does in experienced games, and has engineered his persona around the opposite, so that he can lead town down the wrong road at every juncture, which he has so far.
— He has used this at every point to define what good town play is (and what good mafia play is), so he can easily align it with his targets that don’t meet that standard and who he knows to be town. There's no reason to think we would necessarily play this like the guidelines on our first playthrough, and many including confirmed town ESC have validated this.
-- If he gets it wrong he can easily justify it on the standards he defines, go on to lead the next lynch, get it wrong, and easily do the same thing ad infinitum. If he's mafia, he’s been playing the game so he’ll appear to be the last town standing and can fully justify it, and just say he’s been set up. If he is mafia this makes him incredibly dangerous.
— Despite having the most experience, and coming across as the most competent player, he has been incorrect twice and led the lynch on two innocent townies. This is suspiciously out of synch with his confidence and experience, and I think, like others said last round, its because he could be playing a very clever mafia ruse.
— He has actively dominated this whole game, putting out endless content from post #1, continuously shifting position and over-complexifying the thread to make it impossible to keep up with. Me and others have said how frustrating it makes it to play this game (I almost gave up the game in the last round, in honesty). He’s tried to justify it as pro-town, but it could also be a ruse to bully everyone into playing the game by his narrative that is, either way, clearly losing us the game right now. It also makes it a lot harder to pin who his team-mates are when we confirm him red.
— He then goes on to pin those he bullied into voting his way as mafia.
— Him and RB play strategy games together frequently. He knew he’d be the biggest threat (and said so in his very first vote on RB) and so focused on winning him over, by playing in such a way that conforms to the standards of good town in the guides that RB would respect. He can then rope an influential player into voting on his false reads, and have the other most active poster go along with his play, which by sheer volume is guaranteed to guide town action on his deliberately false reads.
Of everyone in the game, I feel the most confident that Hado is mafia right now. In the beginning stages of this game I was persuaded by his case. I looked at the guides online he referenced, and what he was saying seemed consistent. I started with a strong town reading, but was becoming suspicious of him throughout the last round. I wanted to keep it to myself and assume he was town due to his pro-town seeming activity until I could test my suspicions.
I decided to go with his ESC read and give him the benefit of the doubt as either way I didn’t see the vote going any other way, and it seemed beneficial:
A) ESC flips red and I know that Hado is green, and probably Redbaron too, which gives us a strong position this round.
B) ESC flips green, and I have strong reason to suspect Hado as being mafia.
Premise:
— He has admitted to having the most experience at this game. He knows what a mafia player typically does in experienced games, and has engineered his persona around the opposite, so that he can lead town down the wrong road at every juncture, which he has so far.
— He has used this at every point to define what good town play is (and what good mafia play is), so he can easily align it with his targets that don’t meet that standard and who he knows to be town. There's no reason to think we would necessarily play this like the guidelines on our first playthrough, and many including confirmed town ESC have validated this.
-- If he gets it wrong he can easily justify it on the standards he defines, go on to lead the next lynch, get it wrong, and easily do the same thing ad infinitum. If he's mafia, he’s been playing the game so he’ll appear to be the last town standing and can fully justify it, and just say he’s been set up. If he is mafia this makes him incredibly dangerous.
— Despite having the most experience, and coming across as the most competent player, he has been incorrect twice and led the lynch on two innocent townies. This is suspiciously out of synch with his confidence and experience, and I think, like others said last round, its because he could be playing a very clever mafia ruse.
— He has actively dominated this whole game, putting out endless content from post #1, continuously shifting position and over-complexifying the thread to make it impossible to keep up with. Me and others have said how frustrating it makes it to play this game (I almost gave up the game in the last round, in honesty). He’s tried to justify it as pro-town, but it could also be a ruse to bully everyone into playing the game by his narrative that is, either way, clearly losing us the game right now. It also makes it a lot harder to pin who his team-mates are when we confirm him red.
— He then goes on to pin those he bullied into voting his way as mafia.
— Him and RB play strategy games together frequently. He knew he’d be the biggest threat (and said so in his very first vote on RB) and so focused on winning him over, by playing in such a way that conforms to the standards of good town in the guides that RB would respect. He can then rope an influential player into voting on his false reads, and have the other most active poster go along with his play, which by sheer volume is guaranteed to guide town action on his deliberately false reads.
Puffy
"Wtf even was that"
If he is mafia he’s going to try and make me appear as suspicious as fuck today as that’s the only move he has right now if he is mafia. I really wouldn’t be surprised if he engineered suspicion around me last turn. I was the target of his first posts out of nowhere on pretty terrible logic that I must be mafia just because I’m semi-active, not factoring at all why I in particular might choose to play that way. He also said he didn’t want to go after me to prioritise ESC. I'm inclined to think he was just setting me up for another easy mislynch this round, or wants to push for a divided vote between us.
I could target the inactives, but the thing is the fact they are inactive means I don’t have a guaranteed read on them. They might not both be mafia and it becomes a 50/50 gambit of us losing. I know we have to go after our prime suspects, and play our best cards. That’s Hado right now for me, and so I am locking my vote on him until he can respond to this, or someone gives me strong enough reason to change vote.
vote Hadoblado
I could target the inactives, but the thing is the fact they are inactive means I don’t have a guaranteed read on them. They might not both be mafia and it becomes a 50/50 gambit of us losing. I know we have to go after our prime suspects, and play our best cards. That’s Hado right now for me, and so I am locking my vote on him until he can respond to this, or someone gives me strong enough reason to change vote.
vote Hadoblado
Puffy
"Wtf even was that"
Actually, fuck, unvote Hadoblado
If you are town I would strongly advise not bandwagoning this, allow hado a chance to respond, and wait to see how this day develops to see, observe, and reason, who you vote for.
This is my reason: in the event that hado is town and there are two town votes on him, the mafia need to spike 3 votes on hado right now to immediately win the game. Be extremely cautious with piling votes on people from this point in the game onwards.
If you are town I would strongly advise not bandwagoning this, allow hado a chance to respond, and wait to see how this day develops to see, observe, and reason, who you vote for.
This is my reason: in the event that hado is town and there are two town votes on him, the mafia need to spike 3 votes on hado right now to immediately win the game. Be extremely cautious with piling votes on people from this point in the game onwards.
Sinny91
Banned
This is ridiculous. Puffy is suspicious.
Sinny91
Banned
IT'S DO OR DIE.
SO DO, DON'T DIE.
DO NOT FOR A SECOND EVEN THINK ABOUT GIVING HADO ANY WIGGLE ROOM.
SO DO, DON'T DIE.
DO NOT FOR A SECOND EVEN THINK ABOUT GIVING HADO ANY WIGGLE ROOM.
Puffy
"Wtf even was that"
I'm unsure what you mean. If you mean my last post, it makes perfect sense, even if I suspect hado, to observe the voting pattern before committing in case I have it wrong.
ruminator
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Puffy is right. Puffy is not saying NOT to vote Hado, but to wait and see what the other three mafia do first. If towns put in our votes right now, mafia can take advantage of an error before we have a chance to rethink. Lets let them make their move first.
* I am still for voting for Hado, but don't think it should be locked in until mafia make their move first.
* I am still for voting for Hado, but don't think it should be locked in until mafia make their move first.
Sinny91
Banned
It doesn't matter if we are wrong, he's the ONLY strong read we have and so we should be taking it.
The alternative probability will see us lynch yet another Townie, and this Jonestown massacre will finally come to an end by our own hand.
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Actually, now that I think about it, Puffy, waiting has a disadvantage too. If mafia can concert and vote for a town who is NOT Hado, and one or two fellow townies believe them, we won't even get a chance to vote for Hado because it will be too late.
Shit.
Shit.
Sinny91
Banned
THANK YOU!
Sinny91
Banned
And when you say "other three mafia" you do mean the "other two", right?
Puffy
"Wtf even was that"
Hmm, you're right, but I would hope that those townies would be smart enough to not fall for that before everyone has had a chance to contribute, especially given that you have highlighted it now.
@Happy -- If I recall, you were suspicious of hado, and then said yesterday you had reason to think he was town. Has your opinion changed since the lynch/nk, and what were your reasons as I don't think I recall you going into them?
Sinny91
Banned
New Suspects List:
Puffy
Neb
Hado
Puffy
Neb
Hado
Sinny91
Banned
I'm finding Artsu and Happy extremely useless.
Zerk, make an appearance please.
Zerk, make an appearance please.
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Puffy and neb, just what is your agenda you 2?
Puffy why the Unvote and neb why the talk if you didn't vote?
Can you guys stop playing around and vote for whoever your real target is? Do it Right now. i want to know where you're getting at
im free now and next time I'm free, votes might already be locked or sth so vote now
Puffy why the Unvote and neb why the talk if you didn't vote?
Can you guys stop playing around and vote for whoever your real target is? Do it Right now. i want to know where you're getting at
im free now and next time I'm free, votes might already be locked or sth so vote now
Puffy
"Wtf even was that"
Sinny, Hado is your main suspect, if I understand you correct. You are dead certain he is mafia enough to lock the vote.
I can guarantee he will respond to this, in the case of a divided vote saying, 'I tell you what, Sinny, why don't we both vote on Puffy, the person we agree on, and at least we've caught a mafia?'.
Scenario A: He's lieing to get you onto me, an innocent townie is lynched, and we lose.
Scenario B: I come up mafia, and he uses this next round to try and prove to you he's not mafia.
I am unsure if I have thought through the full implications of this. But we cannot both be mafia, without it being the case that we are deliberately trying to kill the other in order to solidify our reputation with the town. I would not give this away to you if I was mafia, and therefore if you are certain that Hado is mafia then I must be town.
I assure you I am happy to vote for Hado, I just want to see what everyone says first.
Nebulous
Well-Known Member
Great post. And I agree with your reasons as to why Hado's probably scum.
vote Hado
If Hado is mafia then the people he was pushing to lynch before are probably town. ESC was confirmed town, Puffy is most likely town.
Also..
I remember Hado telling me "don't concern yourself with who the cop is" when I said that maybe Ruminator's behavior that I'd originally interpreted as Mafia was actually cop behavior.
Idk it just seemed strange how he said that. A bit too commanding. It gave me a strong sense of unease.
I'll try to find that post because I know it really stood out to me as not right.
vote Hado
If Hado is mafia then the people he was pushing to lynch before are probably town. ESC was confirmed town, Puffy is most likely town.
Also..
I remember Hado telling me "don't concern yourself with who the cop is" when I said that maybe Ruminator's behavior that I'd originally interpreted as Mafia was actually cop behavior.
Idk it just seemed strange how he said that. A bit too commanding. It gave me a strong sense of unease.
I'll try to find that post because I know it really stood out to me as not right.
Sinny91
Banned
And what makes you think that whatever Hado says will have any bearing on me?
You aren't this stupid irl.
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Puffy why have you gone silent?
Sinny91
Banned
Less talky more walky.
Chop chop.
Chop chop.