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[Hadoblado]

EBWOP

And btw, you can see how his martyring was a complete bluff.

Instead of proving his town by doing a single goddamn fucking thing, he bluffed instead. He tried to sell it like he was willing to commit to it, but he backed out once he realised he was actually in danger. He way lying.

Credit: RB

 

[Puffy]

Where's the bluff? I've essentially been framed by the referee for not counting an unvote already made. Unvoting makes perfect sense for as long as I know its possible that someone else who could be guilty might be lynched today.

 

[Hadoblado]

When did you unvote? If QT made a mistake then I'll concede that point.

Damn inconvenient if we've been trying to lynch you when we think we have a vote more than we actually do. We could have been killing ESC instead :P

 

[Hadoblado]

Tell me the post number in which you first unvoted.

 

[Puffy]

Here you go, I'll get to your other post in a moment hado.

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

1. Hadoblado - 3, EyeSeeCold, ruminatior, Sinny91
2. Nebulous - 0
3. Happy - 0
4. Zerkalo - 0
5. ruminator - 0
6. redbaron - 0
7. Puffy - 1, Puffy
8. Rook Vanilla Townie
9. Helvete Vanilla Townie
10. Cheeseumpuffs Vanilla Townie
11. Sinny91 - 0
12. EyeSeeCold - 2, Hadoblado, redbaron
13. Artsu Tharaz - 0

Not Voting - 3, Nebulous, Happy, zerkalo,

GAME DAY ENDS IN ~21hours, 50min

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I am not counting this unvote. Unvotes are to be bold and Red. I have no idea where unvoting in Lime came from, but I sure didn't make that rule.

 

[Puffy]

Post #658

 

[Hadoblado]

Guh... I don't trust that you didn't do that on purpose to fuck town around. Why the hell would you use green? It's not even close to red...

But... I would assume it a mistake from anyone else, so I take it back. If this was a genuine scum move, my hat is off to you.

The case still stands though.

 

[redbaron]

Tbh, there's only one course of action, which is that we go all in.

If we get a no-lynch, so be it. At this point there's 7 town and 3 mafia. That means at this point, a no-lynch will extend the number of cycles require for mafia to win.

It'll be down to 6 town and 3 mafia, though honestly it's at exactly the same deadlock at that point. Having 1 town member as a total lurker and 1 (potentially 2) as basically just lurkers makes the game impossible to win from this situation.

I'm spewing that I gave up the Ruminator lynch-train early on in the game. She was my best read and she's done nothing to not continue to be a strong-mafia read. I didn't trust that I was good enough to pick a target, start tunneling and be accurate.

If she flips red, I know I won't be relinquishing a strong read by letting them essentially lurk to victory.

 

[redbaron]

Unvote Puffy

Vote ESC

Only real option tbh.

 

[Hadoblado]

Unvote

Vote ESC

Puffy you were willing to kill yourself who you knew was town on order to avoid a no-lynch. You should be okay with voting ESC to avoid a no-lynch who you cannot possibly be as certain is town.

Could you please vote ESC now.

 

[QuickTwist]

Red And Bold with the players name who you want to vote for. Unvoting is not necessary to cast another vote, but you can still UNVOTE

If there is any more disputes about voting these are the rules I am going by which are in the OP.

I really don't see how this is not clear. People started unvoting with lime color and I have yet to include a lime vote or unvote in the Official Vote Counts.

If its not in the Official Vote Count post, it doesn't count unless I made a mistake. Voting or unvoting in lime is not a valid vote or unvote.

I also said that lime is the color to use if you have a question for me here in the thread as opposed to asking me a question in your QT.

 

[redbaron]

Unvote Puffy

Vote ESC

Only real option tbh.

EBWOP: I actually did think I'd seen Puffy unvoting.

Also, I've unvoted by posting in green myself. Made sense to me because it contrasts with the red. Honestly though if you only get one vote, it makes sense that you can just vote whoever and the only one that counts is your most recent vote.

In any case, I'm on a higher read for ESC to be mafia as a result of this. If we can somehow get input from the entire Town (minus sinny) and we flip ESC as red, we'll be down to 6 town and 2 mafia. With a 5 vote majority, it's still winnable.

If we get a no-lynch or a green result, it's game over in any event.

 

[QuickTwist]

Voting must be in Red And Bold with the players name who you want to vote for. Unvoting is not necessary to cast another vote, but you can still UNVOTE

If there is any more disputes about voting these are the rules I am going by which are in the OP.

I really don't see how this is not clear. People started unvoting with lime color and I have yet to include a lime vote or unvote in the Official Vote Counts.

If its not in the Official Vote Count post, it doesn't count unless I made a mistake. Voting or unvoting in lime is not a valid vote or unvote.

I also said that lime is the color to use if you have a question for me here in the thread as opposed to asking me a question in your QT.

EBWOP

 

[Sinny91]

Wait Sinny, if ESC flipped red would you believe that you've been manipulated?

No, my decision to lynch you was independent. I cast a vote on you, prior to Eyes I believe.

As in, if there was undeniable evidence that all of the reads you two have agreed on were half mafia's meddlings, would you then reevaluate where you sit in this game? Or are you that accomplished at mental gymnastics you could still think yourself right (again, in the case that he flips red)?

Would you genuinely prefer to assume I'm mafia despite my main attacker bar yourself being undeniably scum? Consider carefully, because I'm going to hold you to this. If under no circumstance you can not see me as scum, even when the majority of the support you thought you had for this notion turns out to be the exact opposite of what you thought it was, then the town need to know so they can ignore your input too.

I have no reason to believe that Eye's is mafia.

Did you or did you not make the following statement earlier?

Unless you're a dirty scum liar, you're new as well so I don't think you have the qualifications to rule on my or Sinny's n00b status, or rummy's expertise for that matter.

This.

Yep, it's my first game.



Except I'm not the one trying to claim that I've already confirmed 2 mafia and likely know the 3rd

Nobody has claimed to know all three.

Ok . You still have a vote for puffy, right?

I think voting for anyone other than Hado right now is a distraction. I want you to switch your vote.

But if you don't agree with my suspicions then don't waste your vote by voting for puffy or ruminator. Vote me. Vote me. Hado, Neb and RB want me gone so you have 3 votes already. Vote me.

Right now even if Puffy or ruminator was mafia there isn't much info to link the others so they aren't useful lynches. But vindicating me shows you can trust Sinny and rummy.

Do not sacrifice yourself. The hit will probably take care of one of us.

Zerk... You need to get on the Hadowagon.

I suggest everyone does it. This is classic scum move, to put the ball in Town's court and see if they have the conviction to do it. The only other alternative is that to give up as Town, just to spite everyone when

Well, I'm TOWN and that's my move too.

Ok esc let's make a deal. Since you, sinny and ruminator don't look like you're ever going to change your minds, then I will lend you my vote only on the condition that you three give me your word that, if hado turns out to be town, next to go will be either esc or puffy.
sounds fair?

On page 16 at this moment in time.. but DEAL.

Zerk if that's your deal I would rather you vote me out now.


My read on Puffy isn't certain at this moment. Save us from extra NKs and vindicate sinny and ruminator by voting for me.

Eyes YOU ARE NOT GOING IN THIS ROUND. Trust me on this one, please.

Vote EyeSeeCold

FUCKING UNVOTE YOURSELF.

I CAN'T COPE WITH THIS. WHY ARE YOU ALL DETERMINED TO DIE?!?!

 

[QuickTwist]

EBWOP: I actually did think I'd seen Puffy unvoting.

Also, I've unvoted by posting in green myself. Made sense to me because it contrasts with the red. Honestly though if you only get one vote, it makes sense that you can just vote whoever and the only one that counts is your most recent vote.

In any case, I'm on a higher read for ESC to be mafia as a result of this. If we can somehow get input from the entire Town (minus sinny) and we flip ESC as red, we'll be down to 6 town and 2 mafia. With a 5 vote majority, it's still winnable.

If we get a no-lynch or a green result, it's game over in any event.

I have never included a green/lime unvote in the official vote counts. Unvoting is not necessary to change your vote. That is why your vote still counted.

 

[Hadoblado]

RB it's for QT's ease of use. He's having to sift through hundreds of posts, sometimes in a hurry counting votes. We need to make it easy for him.

Okay fair call. If you thought it intuitive as well then I've completely forgotten it. Moving on

 

[redbaron]

FUCKING UNVOTE YOURSELF.

I CAN'T COPE WITH THIS. WHY ARE YOU ALL DETERMINED TO DIE?!?!

Pick 1:
- Shit townie
- Bluffing mafia

 

[Hadoblado]

Good question, why would a townie ever want to die Sinny?

Also, you definitely missed the fact that my question was hypothetical. IF we lynched ESC, and IF he was red according to QT, would you then believe you had been manipulated? "IF"

 

[redbaron]

Thing is, the only way around the deadlock is to be really obvious and vote Hado.

The problem is though, as already mentioned there's very likely only 5 active townies. The fact that it would even work to get a 6-majority vote means that it's inherently backed by mafia.

Hado: if you think that it's better for you to die right now as Town, since it will at a bare minimum give a confirmed voting trail when you flip green, as opposed to losing for sure anyway, then I'll do it.

 

[Sinny91]

Good question, why would a townie ever want to die Sinny?

Also, you definitely missed the fact that my question was hypothetical. IF we lynched ESC, and IF he was red according to QT, would you then believe you had been manipulated? "IF"

No, because all my actions have been independent, based on my own reasoning, gut feeling and BULLSHIT DETECTION.

DUH.

 

[Puffy]

Unvote

Vote ESC

Puffy you were willing to kill yourself who you knew was town on order to avoid a no-lynch. You should be okay with voting ESC to avoid a no-lynch who you cannot possibly be as certain is town.

Could you please vote ESC now.

That's the exact reason I'm studying the thread over now, don't worry.

 

[Hadoblado]

Okay. Thank-you for you time.

RB no. I've done the numbers, can't do it. Town is too weak. I'll agree to die if one flips green but not before.

 

[Sinny91]

Well. I'm really fed up with the current game play.

My stance remains the same.

Hado must go.
I'll accept Zerks deal
Eye's UNVOTE yourself.

Any less than any of those things, and I no longer give shit about being a team player, or even a player at all.

 

[redbaron]

Give your numbers then. By my numbers it goes something like this:

You die. A townie dies. We pray it isn't the cop.

Day 3:
3 Mafia, 5 Town.

Town can win with some absolutely amazing play - it's just really, really unlikely. The best way to play at that point, would be to not lynch first so that on Day 4 you end up with 4 town and 3 mafia. You then make a bandwagon, with a 43% chance of hitting Mafia (this extremely rare circumstance is the only time I would really advocate a no-lynch for Town, because they're so incredibly fucked at this point that they can only win via guessing game. The voting pool is too polluted to win by any other means. You just have to play the odds and hope you get lucky.)

So Day 4:
3 mafia, 4 Town.

43% chance that if all 4 Town can just unite, they hit mafia. Then 1 Townie dies again.

Day 5:
2 mafia, 3 Town.

40% chance.

Day 6:
1 mafia, 2 Town.

33% chance.

Town wins via successful lynch, or mafia wins by default.

If I've done numbers wrong let me know. Yes I'm aware that it's incredibly unlikely that Town would luck-out so hard that they succeed 3 times in a row on a 43%, 40% and then 33% chance.

The only real chance they'd have is if cop is still in play. The problem with that is, once a mafia gets lynched in such a small pool it's pretty much certain they'll be able to track who was steering the wagon the hardest.

Plus, the people have to trust that cop is who cop says they are. The best bet here (imo) is actually if the entire town fake-claims as being cop, so the mafia has no real target to work with. Then if they can SOMEHOW deduce one another from the mafia, they could win.

Probably like a 10-11% chance of winning all things considered, and I doubt newer players could ever pull it off. By default in newbie games, the mafia is basically expected to win.

~

If you think it's still a better play to keep trying for the lynch now, give me the numbers.

 

[Sinny91]

Puffy, Zerk, Eye's and ARTSU....

YOU CAN CREATE THE LYNCH ON HADO.

DO IT.


 

[redbaron]

Any less than any of those things, and I no longer give shit about being a team player, or even a player at all.

Yeah you're Town, just terrible.

You do realise that this is a team game of Town vs. Mafia and not individuals playing for brownie points on having made the best guesses?

If Town wins, Cheesums is victorious too, as is Helvete and any other townspeople who got lynched or NK'd. You haven't ever given a shit about being a team player at any point - you've just given a shit that people are on your team.

 

[Sinny91]

If you think it's still a better play to keep trying for the lynch now, give me the numbers.

Give me.. ya dick size.. I could use a good giggle.

 

[Hadoblado]

Day 3:
3 mafia, 5 town

One of the town is Sinny. One of the town is Artsu (?). One of the town is nebulous who is good but isn't here consistently enough to rely on securing a lynch. One of the town is Happy who is also flaky and not on at reliable times. Oh, and you'd be dead. Because if they lynch me they can NK you. And if we're both dead there nobody that can make sure Puffy dies.

If the skill level were higher and the players more consistent, I'd feel okay dying to ensure these two lynches. But dying would not ensure these lynches, and town cannot afford to mislynch useful players.

 

[redbaron]

Puffy, Zerk, Eye's and ARTSU....

YOU CAN CREATE THE LYNCH ON HADO.

DO IT.


Ok Artsu - if you're ever going to be here I need you to consider this.

I'd be willing to vote for Hado as well, if not for this next fact:

Hado has 3 votes, if we add Puffy, Zerk, ESC, RB and yourself - he has 8 votes. By definition there's mafia involvement in such a vote, because there's more than 7 votes. If Happy were to vote as well? That'd be 9.

There's a minimum of 2 mafia involved there.

Vote for ESC or Puffy. It's not rocket science as to why, despite the fact that so many people are apparently suspicious of them, we can't seem to get them fucking voted.

 

[Hadoblado]

EBWOP: Buffy and ESC dies.

 

[Nebulous]

(This is mostly just me agreeing w things as I catch up)

Okay, let's go. Let the other votes for me roll in.

I suggest everyone does it. This is classic scum move, to put the ball in Town's court and see if they have the conviction to do it. The only other alternative is that to give up as Town, just to spite everyone when he flips green.

Best case: He's scum and playing a gambit because he's cornered
Worst case: He's a townie that's given up

^^^
Everyone who is actually town should be voting to lynch ESC. If you're not voting for him at this point you're either mafia or you're just being extremely stupid.

As town, I'm dead certain of this read, and the only objective for me left is to convince you guys enough that we can win the game. I will risk my life for that, but I won't throw it away on the chance that these guys are killed after me, because without me here, and with an NK on RB tonight, town could very well forseeably cave to their incessant cockroaching.

^ This exactly. We can't loose Hado because the NK will likely be RB and I unfortunately can't imagine the town working together without them.

Also, Ruminator is voting for Hado. Why not ESC? Because she doesn't want to lynch her fellow mafia, that's why.
Anyone refusing to vote for ESC is suspicious. Anyone saying they get "strong town reads" from ESC is highly suspicious. Except Sinny, idk what her deal is. I doubt she's mafia... She's just being stubborn :/

Spoiler

You're right, without RB it's not happening without mafia being on the vote (we need 6, there's 10 people, sinny won't help).

Okay RB. I'm pretty worn out atm, so I'm not going to plunge his filter like I did cheeseum, but I don't think that will be necessary to convince you.

Off the top of my head the rest comes down to:

1) - His martyrdom was scummy as fuuuck. Just like ESC's is now. When you're town and you're committed to winning, you don't want to die. The only reason you offer up your throat is because you're bluffing people away. Unfortunately, apparently INTPs love this kind of drama and towners have been doing it too (cheeseum and neb). But it's not the same. Look at the frustration of cheeseum, or the "hey guys I'm no threat" of neb. Both ESC and Puffy are desparately trying to signal each other with martyring that it's okay for them to be bussed, because they think that's the only way they're getting out of this. A town puffy knows that puffy is town. Why the fuck on earth would someone as not retarded as puffy ever want to get lynched knowing that it would be at the hands of one of his best town reads (me, which he's repeated multiple times). This scenario would be a town Puffy deliberately killing himself with a mislynch, and then his best read with a mislynch, while paying the time for two additional PKs from mafia. That would be utterly the fuck dumb as pigshit stupid. He's not stupid, you know him.

2) - He put ESC as a town read up there with RB and I. Which is retarded. RB you know this. You know Puffy would never think that ESC is confirmed town anywhere near the same level we are if he was genuinely searching.

3) - He's positioned himself as advisor. Which is what I've done. But I've also hunted scum mercilessly. Why does he think he should advise people when this is his first game, and he hasn't established a position of any authority whatsoever? Why has he done this to the exclusion of hunting scum when he understands very well that what town need to do is hunt scum?

4) - He's made a lot of big deals articulating irrelevant things that don't lead to hunting scum. This is because he's thinking in a policy way about scum, in vague theoretical terms. Theory can be applied whether you're town or scum and he knows this. He knows that it's the practice of scum hunting that shows who's town, and yet for some reason doesn't do it. This may sound silly, but when you are mafia, it's really difficult to convincingly hunt scum. You have to think all Bayesian and shit, which take enormous processing power. It sounds easier than it is.

5) - If Puffy isn't mafia, then there were no active scum early in the game. Which is highly improbable. Remember when I said it was Puffy or Zerkalo with the rushed paint job? Well it's not Zerkalo. At the start of the game, the mafia could not communicate with one another. They all understood that they couldn't all be lurkers. As nobody posts, one of them has to stand up and go interact with town some, or mafia will have no influence over the lynch. I don't believe it's possible for all three to independently ignore that pressure and stay lurking that long. I know that everyone else who was posting day is town, so it must be Puffy.

6) - He hasn't done a fucking thing all game. Zero commitment about anything. Town reads on the two most townie players. Town read on ESC who is definitely not town. Town reads are not red reads. He hasn't spotted any scum sign because he's not looking, because we very well know he'd have found some by now if he was looking.

^^^^
I'm 90% sure that ESC, Ruminator, and Puffy are mafia.

Look at this:
If Puffy flips red, so very many people are confirmed town for everyone. Zerkalo and Happy. (Well, Happy did move his vote off and on and off or something, but he'd certainly be a stronger green read because he voted Puffy of his own volition when Puffy was truly in danger of getting bandwagoned. Puffy is a productive lynch, a very high priority mafia, and a very reliable mafia kill. This will be chopping off the head of the snake. The other mafia are limp dicks who we can clean up no problem.

We need to decide on a lynch before time's up.
Who will it be? Puffy, ESC, or Ruminator?

Vote: Puffy

We going for a Puffy lynch?
I'm in if you think we can get it done. Just tell me.

Official Vote Count:

1. Hadoblado - 2, ruminator, Sinny91
2. Nebulous - 0
3. Happy - 0
4. Zerkalo - 0
5. ruminator - 0
6. redbaron - 1, Happy
7. Puffy - 3, Puffy, zerkalo, Hadoblado
8. Rook Vanilla Townie
9. Helvete Vanilla Townie
10. Cheeseumpuffs Vanilla Townie
11. Sinny91 - 0
12. EyeSeeCold - 3, redbaron, Nebulous, EyeSeeCold
13. Artsu Tharaz - 1, Artsu Tharaz

Not Voting - 1, Happy

With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day ends in ~11hours, 17min

Okay. Like I said before, if you're voting for Hado you're mafia or stupid.
If you're voting for Puffy or ESC you're probably town, or you just have your vote there for now so you appear town. Because you don't think a lynch is going to happen. Are the mafia so desperate that they would willingly lynch themselves though? Whahaha...

Why's Artsu voting for himself?

Mafia: ESC, Puffy, Ruminator
???: Happy, Artsu
Probably town: Hado
Awful townie: Sinny
Town: Zerkalo, RB
Definitely town: Nebulous

I am not letting ESC go RB. He's fucking dead. He can't argue shit tomorrow. We're winning here and I'm playing conservative. One of these two is dying, so I'm happy because I know we're getting mafia. But I want the more valuable one. Puffy has slipped up a lot, but as evidenced by your reluctance, he is harder to kill that ESC.

I don't plan on being around tomorrow. I don't want to leave it to chance that you'll let Puffy wriggle out. I know I can trust you to kill ESC when I'm gone though.

Okay we're going for a Puffy lunch.

unvote ESC
vote Puffy

Unvote Puffy

Vote ESC

Only real option tbh.

Ack okay

unvote Puffy
Vote ESC

 

[redbaron]

Dying would not ensure these lynches, and town cannot afford to mislynch useful players.

I agree in theory. If you or I or both of us go in any other circumstance in a game with these players, Town's chances of winning drop massively.

However as it stands, we can't win if votes are deadlocked. The only way Sinny will understand her wrongness, is by demonstrating her absolute wrongness. I have as little faith as you do that the Townies left would be able to solved it against those insurmountable odds: I don't think even I could solve it if our places were swapped either, it's just a hugely lopsided scenario in favour of mafia.

But at the very least it's a snowflakes chance in hell.

 

[redbaron]

But you know what, fuck snowflakes.

Vote ESC

Only option.

 

[Sinny91]

Ugh. The levels of retardedness are getting to me.

I'm trying not to take it serious, as I know that three of you have to be retarded on purpose.

Everyone seems to agree I'm Town. I have NO reason to suspect Eyes as mafia.

IN A FUCKING NUT SHELL: What are your guys arguments against Eyes?
So far all of Redbarons 'reasoning' against EYES could easily be applied to me, and I'M TOWN.

 

[redbaron]

IN A FUCKING NUT SHELL: What are your guys arguments against Eyes?
So far all of Redbarons 'reasoning' against EYES could easily be applied to me, and I'M TOWN.

Yes but you're retarded you see and ESC isn't.

When given the 2 options of:
1. retard
2. mafia

Everyone just instantly assumes you're a retard, because you really are that much of a retard.

 

[Hadoblado]

This is still doable RB. There are 7 town and 3 mafia. We need 6 votes. Even if Sinny doesn't vote we can still get 6. We already have 3 (neb, me, you)+ESC. We need 2 from Happy, Zerkalo, and artsu. All of which I'm optimistic will contribute.

Woah I was going to ask you to respond to her because she finds me antagonising and she looked like she was genuinely questioning (the first town action I've seen from her for reals). Lol. NVM.

 

[Sinny91]

Yes but you're retarded you see and ESC isn't.

When given the 2 options of:
1. retard
2. mafia

Everyone just instantly assumes you're a retard, because you really are that much of a retard.

Again with the imaginary majorities.. At least I don't have to imagine my fan base Baron.

 

[redbaron]

IN A FUCKING NUT SHELL: What are your guys arguments against Eyes?
So far all of Redbarons 'reasoning' against EYES could easily be applied to me, and I'M TOWN.

Also, good point.

Vote Sinny

 

[Sinny91]

Also, good point.

Vote Sinny

See.. His voting record is a fickle as his manhood.

 

[redbaron]

Again with the imaginary majorities.. At least I don't have to imagine my fan base Baron.

I'm still not sure if you understand how this works. Since you've openly declared that you're not going to go by any course of action that isn't voting for Hado, you've given the mafia an unbelievably easy way to tie up your Town vote.

Whether Hado turns out to be town or not, your strategy's poop because it's so easily capitalized upon by the mafia.

 

[Sinny91]

Woah I was going to ask you to respond to her because she finds me antagonising

Oh, but I thought it was the other way around?

Pussy.

 

[redbaron]

Sorry couldn't help it.

Vote ESC

 

[Sinny91]

I'm still not sure if you understand how this works. Since you've openly declared that you're not going to go by any course of action that isn't voting for Hado, you've given the mafia an unbelievably easy way to tie up your Town vote.

Whether Hado turns out to be town or not, your strategy's poop because it's so easily capitalized upon by the mafia.

No. I think you are attempting to sow the seeds of discord.. and I implore the TOWNIES to show FULL SUPPORT IN OUSTING MAFIAHADIOSO.

 

[Happy]

Vote EyeSeeCold

I've been working to figure this out, but it's too frustrating at this point. I've waded through about a novel worth of posts. I don't have time for this. I'm really frustrated at this point. I expected a fun game of mafia. We're in day 2 and this is like post 835 or some shit. I have information overload. I'm going to sleep.

Fact is, we need a lynch, for which we need a majority. It looks like ESC, Puffy or Hado are the only options at this point due to current votes, and over half the town needs to get behind that. I don't overly suspect ESC or Puffy, and I'm baffled by Hado (seriously dude, how do you even have time to write all this?) and I have a few theories, but I need more time to make further deductions.

Hado and RB are pushing this. If ESC is lynched and flips green, I know roughly where my vote next round is going, if I survive the night.

I'm not having fun anymore. I'm going to bed. I will make an effort to check the thread within an hour of town sunset in case any actions become apparent between now and then. Fortunately, I have tomorrow mostly off and I'll do some more reading and thinking then (night cycle). My brain is fried. Goodnight.

 

[Hadoblado]

Sinny. Ignore RB. He just mad cos it's late here. And his dick smaller than a lobster tick.

It's hard to explain this because the things he has done that are scummy are things that you don't think are scummy. So I'll say them, because I legit think you had a moment of doubt, but I don't expect you to believe me.

1) - he tried to do as little as possible for as long as possible
2) - he's acting far stupider than he is. His rhetorical ability is not limited to one liners and ad homs. He was shocked when I linked from the rest of the forum, because he didn't think I could hold him accountable to that standard. But I can, so there's a glaring hole between what he's pretending to be, and what he actually is.
3) - His 'reads' mirror yours. Which is to say, they're just attacking established town. We expect it from you because that's your deal. But ESC is not a 'go with your gut' kinda guy.
4) - He tried to martyr himself for no reason. All it does is cause confusion and try to sway votes away from him. But it's selfish. Town want to catch scum, not fuck around cutting their wrists to prove things. Public self-harm is always a social statement.
5) - He's just been doing ad hom game. We slung shit at each other a bit there Sinny, but you're well known for getting into fight matches on the forum, and honestly, so was I for quite a while. I like to keyboard warrior. But ESC isn't like that. Yet he's throwing as many ad homs around as possible. If he was town he would want to speak clearly and state his case. Instead, he ignores all the points put against him, and just slanders away. This is not like ESC.

For instance, I asked him the same question... it must be like... 5 times at least? I repeated myself a lot. And he still didn't answer. Instead trying to divert attention by starting another train.

 

[redbaron]

Yawn.

As already mentioned I don't have any real problem in people voting for Hadoblado at this point because the town's royally fucked anyway.

The only thing that could save us would be if the town cop had a guilty read, role-claimed and steered us into a perfect lynching. As it is I'm pretty sure the cop doesn't have a guilty read.

I'm assuming they made a poor choice of read, and unfortunately, despite being merely at Day 2 we have Town clamping down on an all-or-nothing style of play, while simultaneously doing nothing to help the rest of the Town.

 

[redbaron]

Also: COP.

DO NOT FUCKING ROLECLAIM IF YOU LEGITIMATELY HAVE A GUILTY READ TO STEER US BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO DIE NEXT NIGHT. YOUR JOB IS TO NOT DIE. THANKS.

 

[Nebulous]

Everyone who is actually town should be voting to lynch ESC. If you're not voting for him at this point you're either mafia or you're just being extremely stupid.

*Anyone not voting for ESC or Puffy.

We need to decide on a lynch before time's up.
Who will it be? Puffy, ESC, or Ruminator?

If we really can't get enough votes for Puff or EyeSore, I guess we could go for rummy? Idk I wanna go for Puff or ESC tho

If you're voting for Hado you're mafia or stupid.
If you're voting for Puffy or ESC you're probably town, or you just have your vote there for now so you appear town. Because you don't think a lynch is going to happen.

 

[Sinny91]

Before you go to bed Happy, you should know that if EYE's gets lynched, I'll MODKILL myself, and by nightfall the mafia will hit once more.

I'm threatening Town with the loss of THREE possible Townies by end of nightfall.


NOBODY FUCK WITH ME.

My reasoning has already been laid bare, I have no other bargaining chips. I will not be moved.

I'll go out and get drunk, and fuck you all.

 

[Hadoblado]

Oh nice Happy! *claps hands*

Sorry this isn't much fun for you. It's a really hard game to keep up with if you don't have enough time. I happen to have drastically reduced my hours at work as I'm just about to go back to uni, so that's how I'm able to do it. I think RB might be a bum too.

Also, selective attention. I completely ignore people until I need to. Too much goes on to be able to take in everything the first time. I skim all posts, but it's only the ones that pop out at me, or other people refer me to, that I really analyse.