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so I get drunk thats cool, but where ?

XD yeah man, get drunk, hit on women, end up in court with her saying you raped her with your gaze XDDDD

^^ dude, just find one that doesen't freak you out that much and ask her on a date... e_e if she refuses find another and another and keep going till you are comfortable.
You have to get used to women. its that simple. getting drunk and doing something stupid can land you 5 years in jail with rape accusation. Avoid.

Being afraid of them makes sense, because in olden times rejection meant you'd be fucked, because acess to the pusi was limited. ^^ but now, you have acess to the ocean and all the female fish you can catch. So its time to realize that this primal fear is no longer logical, thus exposure therapy. Have fun, don't date crazy feminists tho, you'll end up in jail. (not joking here)

The secret to getting da pusi: confidence. e_e yeah, its that simple.

Once you get over all of this and get through a longer relationship... you'll avoid women for completely different reasons: hysterics, lack of logic, drama and fear of losing the magic yet again 3 years into yet another shitty relationship that ends in you waking up one day in cold sweat hellbent on telling her "\o/ I'm out bitych! Find some opther fool!"

10 Bottles of gin later, Serac is still horrified of the "Wamens".

Also, does your character accurately represent Dr. Schultz? He's one of my favourites.


he..hehehehe _ VODKA!


Don't think about rape accusations, if you base your life on it you'll be freightened forever. Especially in a club, like there are bouncers and cameras everywhere, take solace in the fact that everything is recorded so if you know that isn't you, you have evidence right there. I know I've never been like that when I'm drunk so the biggest worries are lies for me, to which I make sure I have evidence. If I suspect something's off and I don't have evidence it rings a bell in my head, even in the drunkest scenarios. I don't usually make the first move with girls.

@Kormak I have drunk many a time to Korpiklaani, one of the few metal bands I found myself liking.


How could we forget about dear old tequila?

 

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@Rebis Korpikalani is gr8, yeah. Shit we are hijacking OP's thread.

 

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I THREW UP ON MY ONLY BLANEKETS.
well, I guess that's about the expected return on investment from this whole plan.

this idea of "exposure therapy" via alcohol is so misguided that the only thing I can do is to plant my palm firmly onto my face. sure you might end up stumbling up to a woman and say some ridiculous nonsense, but 1) it will not lead to anything because it is just ridiculous nonsense, and 2) you will wake up the next morning with the exact same fear of women as the day before. if you want to improve, go out sober and closely watch your own and the counterparty's behavior. that way you actually learn things and you get the actual exposure you want.
 

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So the last night I learned the subtly difference in a good time and a bad time. about half a bottle of 12.5% wine. I now know when to stop. I fucking hate wine but its so cheap and american beer is piss. the only decent stuff is expensive whisky :/
serac I think it can work as long as im not too drunk and do well, shit even if I go to a club and have a good time dancing by myself that is 100% a win in my book.
I did restore an old pair of boots while i was getting drunk last night so not a complete failure. :) I also left a funny pitiful video telling myself not to do it again :D
I also tested my depth perception and accidentally punched my lamp about as hard as drunk me could. I dont have any hang over, I think my stomach just couldnt hold that much.
Also I noticed I could lift my body weight and I didnt even have to try, I felt really strong
 

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It's good for exposure therapy if you consider it the next morning. I typically review my behaviour the night before. Also, if you're hungover the next night and still with the people (as in a house party) then you'll reach sobriety while being in the same vicinity as the person. It's like slowly integrating the confidence you get when you're drunk to sobriety.

Additionally the hangover gives you a singular focus almost: on your head, everything else is secondary, such as anxiety. Glad it worked out for you, the thought pattern when you're drunk compared to being sober is certainly different.

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At one point in my drunken stupor I realized I left my loaded gun on my desk and had a good laugh about how dumb I am. I actually didnt unload it I just took the mag out, I tried to unload it and got my finder stuck in the slide and i gave up.
 

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getting drunk will solve absolutely nothing.

10 Bottles of gin later, Serac is still horrified of the "Wamens".

Also, does your character accurately represent Dr. Schultz? He's one of my favourites.
I'm gonna go with 'yes'. who wouldn't like to be an intellectual-type with pistols up one's sleeve?
 

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I gave my advice because people doing stupid things is the norm and not the exception.

Its not exactly exposure therapy. But it function like it. It seems like he has an irrational phobia-like attitude toward women. The way phobias are treated is exposing them to their fear and their brain slowly disassociating peril from the phobia at hand. Phobia of elevators? First stand near it. You didn't die? Later you will stand in it. Still didn't die? Finally you commit to being on a moving one.

If we translate that incremental increase of exposure to women then hes going to look like a fucking creep or a beta at the club or in public. And it would take a lot more effort than getting a little schnozed

I think so long as you don't blackout or go too hard you could still have some benefits. However, do not develope a dependancy on the alcohol as Serac is alluding to. Maybe tell yourself that the alcohol is just helping you be yourself? Idk be prudent.
 

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Every culture around the world seems to be moving toward people being fake and distant then going to a club and taking drugs to turn off the critical parts of their brains, so they can act like animals. The fact that clubbing is normal is so strange, it seems like the type of thing you would expect from a small group of socially inept people, in a hypothetical world. It isnt though. Being human is so confusing.
 

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actually I don't really know, maybe alcohol is good. come to think of it some of the best experiences i've had were based on alcohol
 

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Every culture around the world seems to be moving toward people being fake and distant then going to a club and taking drugs to turn off the critical parts of their brains, so they can act like animals. The fact that clubbing is normal is so strange, it seems like the type of thing you would expect from a small group of socially inept people, in a hypothetical world. It isnt though. Being human is so confusing.

e_e this is why I prefer to meet ppl through my friends outside of the bar or club (a place I don't go to tbh). The alkohol idea was bad, but the exposure therapy isn't. Best method is to get into social circles in areas of intereest you have. That way you ensure that she at least has one similar interest.
 

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To be honest I'm unsure if I agree with the just ask someone out on a date thing. That's going to be a situation in which your insecurities and fears are going to be amped up to a certain degree. Where I think it would be more helpful to be able to relate to women outside of the context of that.

You can close distance with the "othering" aspect of the opposite gender by simply normalising your relationship to them through friendship or other means of contact where there's no expectation of any outcome or having to be a certain way. Hopefully over time that would teach that women are just people and nothing to be frightened of.
 

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To be honest I'm unsure if I agree with the just ask someone out on a date thing. That's going to be a situation in which your insecurities and fears are going to be amped up to a certain degree. Where I think it would be more helpful to be able to relate to women outside of the context of that.

You can close distance with the "othering" aspect of the opposite gender by simply normalising your relationship to them through friendship or other means of contact where there's no expectation of any outcome or having to be a certain way. Hopefully over time that would teach that women are just people and nothing to be frightened of.

Obviously you haven't worked with 2 differetnt offices packed with 2 different bickering "nests" of women led by 2 STJ top hens at eachother's throats in the same company e_e... they are everything but benign. I have never seen humans generate so much drama over milk for coffee.

Kids in school fighting in the courtyard are angels by comparison.
 

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i wonder why socializing with women is continuously conflated with sex

it's actually ok to talk to women without the goal of fucking them btw
 

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i wonder why socializing with women is continuously conflated with sex

it's actually ok to talk to women without the goal of fucking them btw

You're an ironic lifeform, you can't say things like that.
 

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It usually gets much easier with time, maybe im extremely shy?
 

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It usually gets much easier with time, maybe im extremely shy?

There's gradual adjustment and then flipping a switch, think of it like being scared of heights: I used to be scared of heights, then I jumped off a few heights with a harness and now I'm not irrationally scared of heights.

Before you kiss a girl it's like "omg what do i do how do i kiss do i breathe ahhh", then you kiss her and the body does the work. The next time, or the time after you realise you flustered over everything, and all it needed was for you to flip the switch and kiss them.
There's so many examples, but I imagine the same principle is with you and girls, so an easy method to flip the switch was the route you went at the weekend. If you wake up with them hungover and there's some pillowtalk, I think you'll see immediately how irrational your fear/shyness was.

"Omg i'm an 18 full adult now I can go to clubs and do adult things i've been waiting my whole life for this" a week later "meh".

Definitely shy, so was I to be fair. I can't pinpoint when I didn't become shy, but it was basically overnight and probably through the mechanism of facing what I feared or was anxious about.
 

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Shy is synonymous with cuck if you ask me. jk

You can call it whatever you want but if you're having a physiological response to being around a hottie than you're not that far off from normal. Most men don't act like themselves around women, and Michio Kaku tells me that you become retarded around them so your biology is against you. Your goal may not to be have sex, but your body dgaf and will put you under stress. You might just be under pressure to "perform"? I heard somewhere that physiological responses only last a minute, and will just pass if we don't feed into them, try to channel your zen bruh.

I'm convinced that there is a few key groups of people that are keeping clubs in business by exerting their social influence. Clubs go through cycles of activity, but those bastards are always partying whenever they can.
 

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I used to read michio kaku years ago I think he's a big pop science guy now, better than De grasse though.
 

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I have a rather odd ability to throw myself at anything no matter how scary it is, so this shouldnt be too hard to fix with a game plan.
did I mention I once cut my finger open and put a magnet in it? accidentally hit the bone too, weird feeling that is.
 

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I THREW UP ON MY ONLY BLANEKETS.

e_e thats because you are drinking shitty not home made alkohol, try my personal brews.
^^; I make everything ye need my man, wine, mead, beer, vodka, liquor.
XD free wine if ye help me redesign the vineyard, to improve grape production this spring.

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You seem to have quite the set up. How long does it take to actually produce alcohol?
 

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You seem to have quite the set up. How long does it take to actually produce alcohol?

It depends on the type. Wine for example is ready within a month, but if I want it to have a good tase and for it to clear, it takes almost a year. The funny thing about wine is that it reacts to the season. So, for example, come springtime, exactly when the vineyard plants start going... the wine starts fermenting again e_e like it knows its that time of the year.

Can you make kambucha?

:P damn, that stuff is tea, sugar and bacteria... haven't tried it be4.
 

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You seem to have quite the set up. How long does it take to actually produce alcohol?

It depends on the type. Wine for example is ready within a month, but if I want it to have a good tase and for it to clear, it takes almost a year. The funny thing about wine is that it reacts to the season. So, for example, come springtime, exactly when the vineyard plants start going... the wine starts fermenting again e_e like it knows its that time of the year.

Can you make kambucha?

:P damn, that stuff is tea, sugar and bacteria... haven't tried it be4.

Maybe I'm just being a grm freak but how's the distillation process? Can you measure the % vol of alcohol? Is it a complicated process?
 

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If the fear is of embarrassment/failure, then learn to get comfortable with failure in another context, and translate it back to the dating world. For learning to be comfortable with social failure, I would recommend improv classes.
(Bonus: you get to meet people there)
 

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I think I know what to do now thanks everyone.
 

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Maybe I'm just being a grm freak but how's the distillation process? Can you measure the % vol of alcohol? Is it a complicated process?

I have this here particle accelerator :D and measuring, same as with wine, you can buy the (idk what its called in English) from the store, just slide it into the alkohol and see.

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Didn't you post a photo from the gym a while back, @peoplesuck ? I remember thinking you were handsome. That probably doesn't help much, but perhaps it can give you a bit better confidence? Serac's advice has helped me a lot with my social anxieties. Exploring why I am afraid of people sometimes makes me realize I don't much care what they think, or that controlling their perception of me just isn't worth it.

I don't know you, and I should probably have read this thread more thoroughly before replying, so I have more to offer, but I'm a little tired, and I just wanted to share this:

The fact that you are sharing at all is probably therapeutic :)
 

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I honestly have tried very hard to fix myself, I really have.
Didn't you post a photo from the gym a while back, @peoplesuck ? I remember thinking you were handsome. That probably doesn't help much, but perhaps it can give you a bit better confidence? Serac's advice has helped me a lot with my social anxieties. Exploring why I am afraid of people sometimes makes me realize I don't much care what they think, or that controlling their perception of me just isn't worth it.

I don't know you, and I should probably have read this thread more thoroughly before replying, so I have more to offer, but I'm a little tired, and I just wanted to share this:

The fact that you are sharing at all is probably therapeutic :)
I never posted gym pics. I have been told I am quite attractive, but I have a weird perspective on attraction, I dont find the male figure attractive in any way, I think men are just ugly. Im not really attached to my appearance so It doesnt matter much.
You would think sharing would help, but I had no idea how many problems I had before talking about this. When you are isolated your whole life its easy to assume this is a normal existence. I really dont even know where to start at this point, its overwhelming, along with life's challenges being thrown into the mix. You guys dont even know the half of it. I do feel somewhat accomplished just surviving to my 20's I was sure I would die before this. When I was 13 I planned to move to Alaska and ride a brick to the bottom of the ocean, but hey im still alive so horay. I recently stopped taking my meds (anxiety and anti depresesnt) at the same time, dont have the money for them right now, thats definitely not helping my mental health. The thought crossed my mind yesterday, im essentially only alive because mom would be sad if I died, so if she died out of nowhere im really not sure what would be my purpose, since I really dont have one, I dont even know if I want one. The only purpose I deem worthy is to make my existence compensate for everyone else's. My childhood was rough and it really never got better, the problems just changed. Considering how fucked my life is Im also proud to not have any real addictions, aside from caffein and sugar. Unfortunately im sure this is hedonophobia, something you develop from people shitting on the things that make you happy, causing you to avoid them. At some point I stopped caring if I fit in, and later I starting to avoid it, at this point the idea of changing myself for someone is sickening.The doctor said im bipolar, but im not sure I believe that, I think my coping mechanism for depression is recklessness, as that always makes me feel better instantly. lately I have been having mood swings from wanting to die to doing fine, every 6 hours or so. IM A BIT OF A MESS, YEAH. nobody knows because I have all the self control. Oh and the first person I had a deep bond with was from an inappropriate relationship with a high school teacher, who later crushed my heart out of the blue for no reason. ( she had borderline pd) This being the woman that helped me learn to like affection, teaching me touch doesnt have to be painful.(she came from an abusive family and could see the signs in me) to say she made me human is accurate, I actually did not understand loneliness before her, when we were separated I actually asked my mom what it meant if you want to want to hear someones voice. Im not sure if I hate her for what she did or not, she inspired me to pursue my dream of moving abroad where I might not be so alien, she taught me love as well. I dont think I hate her, But I also dont think I can forgive her. and this is the first time I have shared the story. If you look back you will find a thread I made about her, essentially asking how to live without someone who seems to be essential to you. she broke me, I quite literally died internally for a few weeks.

thats me, sad yet?
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Oh and the first person I had a deep bond with was from an inappropriate relationship with a high school teacher, who later crushed my heart out of the blue for no reason. ( she had borderline pd) This being the woman that helped me learn to like affection, teaching me touch doesnt have to be painful.(she came from an abusive family and could see the signs in me) to say she made me human is accurate, I actually did not understand loneliness before her, when we were separated I actually asked my mom what it meant if you want to want to hear someones voice. Im not sure if I hate her for what she did or not, she inspired me to pursue my dream of moving abroad where I might not be so alien, she taught me love as well. I dont think I hate her, But I also dont think I can forgive her. and this is the first time I have shared the story. If you look back you will find a thread I made about her, essentially asking how to live without someone who seems to be essential to you. she broke me, I quite literally died internally for a few weeks.

thats me, sad yet?

You'll get over it, everybody does get over their first love. You have to realise the reason why it's so prevalent in your mind is because you experienced stuff for the first time. I used to think a girl would be in the back of my head all day, but now she doesn't exist at all. She still taught me a few things too, but the chances are, everyone at a young impressionable age meets someone that "taught" them how to behave, the themes of life, yada yada yada. So if you consider that just know if you didn't meet that person someone else would've changed and developed your view on life, it just happened to be them. So in that respect, she wasn't objectively perfection she was just your first embrace. Like a baby born from a womb into a different world, beholden to the one that birthed them. That attachment is strong.

All of us have went through a first love it's an essential part of development. Consider your emotions in a logical sense through what I described above, keep it in the forefront of your mind: You had to go through a first love, you had to love and lost, and someone had to fill that vessel.

Also, generally speaking I think males suck mega dick with emotions. We bury them so much that a girl comes along and we pivot her as a goddess, like a neglected kid finally recieving love. In the first order of things, we separate the individual to a vessel for our emotional venture and expect them to maintain our venture. They have agency of free will, try not to think about it as they broke your heart like taking candy from a baby. Everyone breaks someone's heart, more often girls than boys but that's mainly because they don't suppress their emotions for a millenia and then collapse when a girl gives them a compliment. They've nurtured emotional connection with females for years, backing them up, telling them they're pretty, so on and so forth.

She may remain an archetype for love in your future, you may draw on your experiences with her as anyone would when they experience something for the first time. Be thankful you learnt a lesson- to be emotionally resillient. Everyone hurts, but they get through it and become stronger. Every partner is both an experience and a lesson.

@Tenacity should explain the side that males don't want to see through their blind fixation of the women becoming an object of the man's desire rather than an individual themselves.
 

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Oh and the first person I had a deep bond with was from an inappropriate relationship with a high school teacher, who later crushed my heart out of the blue for no reason. ( she had borderline pd) This being the woman that helped me learn to like affection, teaching me touch doesnt have to be painful.(she came from an abusive family and could see the signs in me) to say she made me human is accurate, I actually did not understand loneliness before her, when we were separated I actually asked my mom what it meant if you want to want to hear someones voice. Im not sure if I hate her for what she did or not, she inspired me to pursue my dream of moving abroad where I might not be so alien, she taught me love as well. I dont think I hate her, But I also dont think I can forgive her. and this is the first time I have shared the story. If you look back you will find a thread I made about her, essentially asking how to live without someone who seems to be essential to you. she broke me, I quite literally died internally for a few weeks.

thats me, sad yet?

You'll get over it, everybody does get over their first love. You have to realise the reason why it's so prevalent in your mind is because you experienced stuff for the first time. I used to think a girl would be in the back of my head all day, but now she doesn't exist at all. She still taught me a few things too, but the chances are, everyone at a young impressionable age meets someone that "taught" them how to behave, the themes of life, yada yada yada. So if you consider that just know if you didn't meet that person someone else would've changed and developed your view on life, it just happened to be them. So in that respect, she wasn't objectively perfection she was just your first embrace. Like a baby born from a womb into a different world, beholden to the one that birthed them. That attachment is strong.

All of us have went through a first love it's an essential part of development. Consider your emotions in a logical sense through what I described above, keep it in the forefront of your mind: You had to go through a first love, you had to love and lost, and someone had to fill that vessel.
You truly do not understand. but it is ok you shouldn't.
 

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You truly do not understand. but it is ok you shouldn't.

Themes are universal, your experience is subjective but the themes are the same. I could say you don't understand the pain I went through but that's beside the point.
Also I made an edit above.

You're putting up a barrier by saying I shouldn't understand, this is isolating your emotions even further into the recesses of your mind. How do you expect to gain a new perspective if you push these feelings so deep that no one can access?
 

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You truly do not understand. but it is ok you shouldn't.

Themes are universal, your experience is subjective but the themes are the same. I could say you don't understand the pain I went through but that's beside the point.
Also I made an edit above.

You're putting up a barrier by saying I shouldn't understand, this is isolating your emotions even further into the recesses of your mind. How do you expect to gain a new perspective if you push these feelings so deep that no one can access?
Before her I did not experience emotions. I felt nothing, I had no self esteem(not low or high), I just was. I did not bond.
In the beginning I only felt emotion through empathizing with her. I did not ever crave affection before her, I didnt even like being touched. I DID NOT UNDERSTAND LONELINESS, I had never felt lonely before her, I had never missed someone before. This is not your typical highschool girlfriend, it was a very strange relationship/turn of events.
Or maybe it is and I just dont know, its hard for me to believe you have every made a transformation of this sort. Im not trying to be rude.
 

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Before her I did not experience emotions. I felt nothing, I had no self esteem(not low or high), I just was. I did not bond.
In the beginning I only felt emotion through empathizing with her. I did not ever crave affection before her, I didnt even like being touched. This is not your typical highschool girlfriend, it was a very strange relationship/turn of events.
Or maybe it is and I just dont know, its hard for me to believe you have every made a transformation of this sort. Im not trying to be rude.

I didn't feel emotions prior to love, maybe you underestimate how overpowering love is. If someone was loveless and was thrown into love head first, naturally they would feel they had never experienced emotions because this is an entirely different plane. Everything is processed differently.

She isn't typical to you, evident by her impression on you, likewise the person I was in love with I felt was not typical, an incredible rare, 1 in a billion person.

It's hard for you to believe because you're trapped in the bubble, I escaped it. There are no remnants left, only an appreciation for a bygone time. Naturally, you won't believe me because I am not at the stage you are.
 

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Oh and the first person I had a deep bond with was from an inappropriate relationship with a high school teacher, who later crushed my heart out of the blue for no reason. ( she had borderline pd) This being the woman that helped me learn to like affection, teaching me touch doesnt have to be painful.(she came from an abusive family and could see the signs in me) to say she made me human is accurate, I actually did not understand loneliness before her, when we were separated I actually asked my mom what it meant if you want to want to hear someones voice. Im not sure if I hate her for what she did or not, she inspired me to pursue my dream of moving abroad where I might not be so alien, she taught me love as well. I dont think I hate her, But I also dont think I can forgive her. and this is the first time I have shared the story. If you look back you will find a thread I made about her, essentially asking how to live without someone who seems to be essential to you. she broke me, I quite literally died internally for a few weeks.

thats me, sad yet?

You'll get over it, everybody does get over their first love. You have to realise the reason why it's so prevalent in your mind is because you experienced stuff for the first time. I used to think a girl would be in the back of my head all day, but now she doesn't exist at all. She still taught me a few things too, but the chances are, everyone at a young impressionable age meets someone that "taught" them how to behave, the themes of life, yada yada yada. So if you consider that just know if you didn't meet that person someone else would've changed and developed your view on life, it just happened to be them. So in that respect, she wasn't objectively perfection she was just your first embrace. Like a baby born from a womb into a different world, beholden to the one that birthed them. That attachment is strong.

All of us have went through a first love it's an essential part of development. Consider your emotions in a logical sense through what I described above, keep it in the forefront of your mind: You had to go through a first love, you had to love and lost, and someone had to fill that vessel.

Also, generally speaking I think males suck mega dick with emotions. We bury them so much that a girl comes along and we pivot her as a goddess, like a neglected kid finally recieving love. In the first order of things, we separate the individual to a vessel for our emotional venture and expect them to maintain our venture. They have agency of free will, try not to think about it as they broke your heart like taking candy from a baby. Everyone breaks someone's heart, more often girls than boys but that's mainly because they don't suppress their emotions for a millenia and then collapse when a girl gives them a compliment. They've nurtured emotional connection with females for years, backing them up, telling them they're pretty, so on and so forth.

She may remain an archetype for love in your future, you may draw on your experiences with her as anyone would when they experience something for the first time. Be thankful you learnt a lesson- to be emotionally resillient. Everyone hurts, but they get through it and become stronger. Every partner is both an experience and a lesson.

@Tenacity should explain the side that males don't want to see through their blind fixation of the women becoming an object of the man's desire rather than an individual themselves.
Im not saying she was perfect at all, she was messed up. But she was and still is the only person I have every clicked with, we had a very similarly bad past which made us bond quickly and deeply. (Not the first girl to like me or date me)
 

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Before her I did not experience emotions. I felt nothing, I had no self esteem(not low or high), I just was. I did not bond.
In the beginning I only felt emotion through empathizing with her. I did not ever crave affection before her, I didnt even like being touched. This is not your typical highschool girlfriend, it was a very strange relationship/turn of events.
Or maybe it is and I just dont know, its hard for me to believe you have every made a transformation of this sort. Im not trying to be rude.

I didn't feel emotions prior to love, maybe you underestimate how overpowering love is. If someone was loveless and was thrown into love head first, naturally they would feel they had never experienced emotions because this is an entirely different plane. Everything is processed differently.

She isn't typical to you, evident by her impression on you, likewise the person I was in love with I felt was not typical, an incredible rare, 1 in a billion person.

It's hard for you to believe because you're trapped in the bubble, I escaped it. There are no remnants left, only an appreciation for a bygone time. Naturally, you won't believe me because I am not at the stage you are.
1 you are really underestimating how odd I was as a young man
2 correct, she was basic, but to me she was special
3 I think my change was quite unique but that isnt a debate because there is no proof of any of it and I dont know what you experience. ( im admitting you are right hesitantly) I went from feeling almost nothing to crying just because she was. It was intense

The only unique thing is that she was the parent role and mate, when she disappeared it hurt much more deeply than just a girlfriend, I felt abandon and betrayed. she was my one person in the whole world. I do not and have not had a bond like that with anyone, not my parents not friends, no one. It wasnt really a romantic bond it was more parental. I think at least, you very well may be right. Im a social retard so I dont know.
 

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Im not saying she was perfect at all, she was messed up. But she was and still is the only person I have every clicked with, we had a very similarly bad past which made us bond quickly and deeply. (Not the first girl to like me or date me)

Ask anyone who their first love was when their feelings are still present and you'll find all of them think this person was insubstitable. Upon further inspection, they defend their point vehemently until the bitter end "No, she was different!", everyone does this because it's true for them.
 

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1 you are really underestimating how odd I was as a young man
2 correct, she was basic, but to me she was special
3 I think my change was quite unique but that isnt a debate because there is no proof of any of it and I dont know what you experience. ( im admitting you are right hesitantly) I went from feeling almost nothing to crying just because she was. It was intense

I am neither overestimating nor underestimating, I am just expressing that these themes occur to everybody at a given time. That was your experience, I have my own and every single person on this forum has a similar experience.

Why do the naive cry and the strong remain composed?
 

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The only unique thing is that she was the parent role and mate, when she disappeared it hurt much more deeply than just a girlfriend, I felt abandon and betrayed. she was my one person in the whole world. I do not and have not had a bond like that with anyone, not my parents not friends, no one. It wasnt really a romantic bond it was more parental. I think at least, you very well may be right. Im a social retard so I dont know.
 

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Why do the naive cry and the strong remain composed?
this is the first time I have ever talked about this or brought it up since it happened. so you can gtfo with that attitude.
 

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My dad beat my mom my brother and me, my mom lost custody of me and in the most influential time of my life all I had was a man who would only touch me to hit me. Im sorry if you can never understand why this woman meant so much to me or why it hurt me so deeply. I have deliberately tried not to think about her, now I understand why she affected me the way she did.
 

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I have nothing to gain by incredulating your beliefs, I'm not out against you or trying to fit you into my little defined box. No attitude is present.

Let me rephrase: Why do the naive feel vulnerable and the strong remain composed?

The strong went through the themes that the naive had, they have scars. When they were weak the strong and experienced helped them, gave them advice and guidance of how to deal with these feelings. When they became strong, they passed the torch onto others.
 

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The folly of sentimentality is we think our experiences are so unique that others can't relate to us. I am speaking from compassion, I think you're a lovely guy and I wish you all the best. You can be broken by others or become strong to guide the ones who fall.
 

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The folly of sentimentality is we think our experiences are so unique that others can't relate to us. I am speaking from compassion, I think you're a lovely guy and I wish you all the best. You can be broken by others or become strong to guide the ones who fall.
Im glad I can look at things like this that are so upsetting and take a second to realize it is true. Multiple gaskets were blown
You do for the most part decide if you grow from something or get hurt by it.
Ey thanks for sticking with it, you are a decent guy. Most people would have gotten nasty by now. I do feel better now, for a minute I was feeling very destructive. thanks. I was approaching this with a victims mentality to the max. Not everyone on the internet is a dick waow, the more you learn.
So is this woman the reason women freak me out, lets get to the bottom of this thing, shall we?
 

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@Rebis You really dont know what you just did for me. Destroyed the fuck out of my pity party. little red cups everywhere. I call that a successful social interaction.
 

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I can't answer that specific question for you, but maybe you're too afraid to open up to love because you anticipate being hurt again. Some people forget the love they felt and only remember the despair, try to think about the opportunity to love again rather than the loss of it. We all want love, don't starve yourself of intimacy.
 

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I can't answer that specific question for you, but maybe you're too afraid to open up to love because you anticipate being hurt again. Some people forget the love they felt and only remember the despair, try to think about the opportunity to love again rather than the loss of it. We all want love, don't starve yourself of intimacy.
I will think about it. thanks for taking the time to actually help me, I know you aren't just hear to argue. I do appreciate it.
 
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