Forum Mafia Game #1

[redbaron]

btw qt iirc i voted for esc and didnt unvote yet

I know. I'm not disagreeing with the point that tunnel-vision is bad for town, so help me out and broaden it for me.

 

[redbaron]

read the rest of the post, i was being sarcastic.

Ok ur rite im sry lets neva fite agen, worst 5 minutes of my lyf

 

[Nebulous]

vote EyeSeeCold

I've stated my reasoning multiple times that we need to lynch someone, I suspect Hado of being mafia but lynching him today would be a stupid gamble. ESC isn't as much of a gamble because 1. It's likely that he's mafia and 2. Even if he's town, I'd rather loose a townie ESC than a townie Hado OR mafia Hado at this point.

I said multiple times that I do suspect Hado, but I don't want to lynch him.
You can't deny that he's been valuable. He's gotten the whole thread going. Got the message to people that we need to work together to lynch every day, while still questioning and drilling each other.
Townie or not, he's useful.
What I'm really worried about is the "what if" of Hado being town. If we kill him, and RB survives the night, the town still has some hope. But if RB gets night killed, it'll be anarchy.
I think we need a leader. I just can't see everyone uniting and working together without Hado or RB, which sucks.

So I'm not voting for Hado because that risk is too great and it's likely that RB will be night killed if Hado gets lynched.

1. We lynch Hado
2. Hado is town
3. RB (town) is night killed because then the town will have no leaders. It makes sense that the mafia would do that.
4. We're all bickering amongst each other and we end up losing.

1. We lynch Hado
2. Hado is mafia
3. RB survives the night, a lurker or someone who we're pretty sure is town gets killed. The mafia would do that because we'd probably lynch RB the next day, and he's town. That's another day wasted.
4. The mafia kills another townie and by now the odds are stacked against us, with... Rook, Cheeseums, Helevete, Hado, the NK, RB, and the other NK dead. That's 7 townies dead. And two mafia still out there.

You're certain (or as close as you can get in this game) that Hado is mafia? Good. Then we can lynch him later when need be. Why don't we try to find the rest of the mafia?
It makes sense that if you're sure about Hado, you shouldn't waste time just repeating that he's scum. Try to find the others.

I'm not voting for Hado today.

Also this post was great:

Spoiler

Oh look, more lies coming from ESC.

Here's my very first posts on Day 2:

Spoiler

Vote analysis:


10 voted, meaning there's a minimum 1 mafia vote overall. I'd be willing to wager there's a minimum of 2 mafia voting, and that at least 1 of them was on Cheeseums.

Based on that, I want to hear from ruminator. She was already a 30-40% mafia read in my book, but Hado convinced me Cheesums was a little more likely.

Vote Ruminator

Spoiler

No. I think the NK is either:

1. Hunting for a likely cop by targeting a semi-active, out of the way townie who's trying to save face

OR

2. A decision made to deliberately be obscure by way of Helvete's lower post count, leaving no real trail but still eliminating someone who showed active participation in voting. Helvete made it clear that his intentions were town and that he's dedicated to lynching scum with his plea that we really unite.

3. Intended to sew discord by virtue of not eliminating Hado. Right now Hadoblado is in the sights of two people who I think could be town.

~

Honestly I'm suspicious of your last minute Cheesums vote as much as Zerkalo, as well as the fact that a lot of what you've said has related to:

A. making us think about the mafia meta-game, as a potential psych out. Sort of like pre-empting that because you seem to be helping us be more aware of the mafia mentality, you're helping town. When actually you're just sewing discord and making decision-making harder for the town by telling them what they already know.

B. you've basically just echoed things that Hado or I have said at this point without that much original helpful thought process.

You're going in the Zerkalo box of verbally supportive but not action-oriented supportive.

Right now:
Puffy
Zerkalo
Ruminator

Y'all motherfuckers got some 'splaining to do.

There's bona-fide examples of me outright pressuring multiple people into talking so that the Town can pressure them into explaining their shady actions. And you're saying I'm offering no alternatives? Get real.



Be glad about increasing our chances of winning?

If you flip red, it also gives us a plethora of 100% confirmed suspicious posts in your entire posting history - while simultaneously making all of your voting history confirmed as suspicious at the same time. Lots of patterns to draw from that.

Like...I'm not sure where you're going with this?? It's like you know just how guilty you are right now, and you're appealing to the town, "look I'm mafia okay, but don't vote me because then you won't catch the other mafia! If you vote Hado and RB, you'll catch two at once!"

The fact is, that it is in no way bad for us to lynch you if you're mafia. End of story. You're saying lots of anti-town things, and outright distorting people's perceptions about what's going on.

Right now you're either:
Town and absolutely terrible at this (despite the fact that you're actually a highly intelligent and insightful poster outside of this thread)
OR
Mafia



Whoa, you're kidding right?

You mean to say that Hadoblado and RB are going to try and lynch mafia?!?!?! OMG YOU CAUGHT US RED-HANDED DOOD!



I love how you're literally just echoing my sentiments at this point. I've been telling the town to stop playing the tunnel-vision game for the last day and meanwhile you've done nothing but tunnel-vision on Hado and me. Even your accusations toward Puffy/Nebulous are being tied back to how people must be related to Hado or me.

You're playing the false dichotomy game and assuming with more certainty than I am not only who you're suspicious of, but who you're certain they're linked to. I mean, wow!

For a new player you sure must be amazing at this game ESC. Not only have you ascertained the identities of 2 mafia on the first day, you've almost found their 3rd accomplice - just like that! Amazing!

 

[Nebulous]

Also sorry I clicked edit instead of quote before but I didn't change anything :P

 

[Sinny91]

I said multiple times that I do suspect Hado, but I don't want to lynch him.

Well you also said that if he wasn't mafia that he was 'strong town' . He's obviously not 'strong Town' because this Town is divided over him.

You can't deny that he's been valuable

Yes I can, and yes I do.

He's gotten the whole thread going.

At a pace only he was pushing for.. FORCING. Most of us had shit to do, and got here and ramped it up when we could, and as we've needed.

Got the message to people that we need to work together to lynch every day

Even on day one, when NO lynching was required. I said that it would be a bad move, and it was. We lost a Townie. Jesus Christ.

Townie or not, he's useful.

HOW??? If he's mafia he is exerting a DANGEROUS amount of influence... In my RISK ASSESSMENT he's best left out of the equation.

What I'm really worried about is the "what if" of Hado being town.

Well, there's at least two Townies here who think this town would function better without the 'loose cannon double agent deep cover Townie'.

If we kill him, and RB survives the night, the town still has some hope.

The Town has hope without Hado .. But we are fast loosing that hope when we are up against our own.


But if RB gets night killed, it'll be anarchy.

How so??

I think we need a leader.

Just what Cheesums was saying before he got lynched out of town. I don't need a leader, what are we, sheep to be herded?

I just can't see everyone uniting and working together without Hado or RB, which sucks.

Beyond belief.

So I'm not voting for Hado because that risk is too great

He's THE TOP MAFIA SUSPECT and you think it's riskier kicking him out the game, rather than keeping him in

I am fast losing respect for some people.

and it's likely that RB will be night killed if Hado gets lynched.

Lets go head and find out why don't we.

You're certain (or as close as you can get in this game) that Hado is mafia? Good. Then we can lynch him later when need be.

How is KEEPING the MAFIAS MOVER & SHAKER in the game HELPFUL to town in the long run? There will be no 'LATER', our team will as good as be handing the game to the Mafia. The Mafia have all the advantages, and you want to give them more?!

Why don't we try to find the rest of the mafia?

Why don't we vote off the Mafia we have already discovered?

It makes sense that if you're sure about Hado, you shouldn't waste time just repeating that he's scum. Try to find the others.

Baron. Deffo SCUM, or somebody deliberately trying to sabotage Townie game play.

I'll actually have FUN trying to discover the third.

 

[QuickTwist]

Official Vote Count:

1. Hadoblado - 3, EyeSeeCold, ruminator, Sinny91
2. Nebulous - 0
3. Happy - 0
4. Zerkalo - 0
5. ruminator - 0
6. redbaron - 1, Happy
7. Puffy - 1, Puffy
8. Rook Vanilla Townie
9. Helvete Vanilla Townie
10. Cheeseumpuffs Vanilla Townie
11. Sinny91 - 0
12. EyeSeeCold - 2, redbaron, zerkalo
13. Artsu Tharaz - 1, Artsu Tharaz

Not Voting - 3, Nebulous, Hadoblado, Happy

With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day ends in ~20hours, 55min

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160523T18&p0=159&font=cursive

Vote Ruminator

Vote: EyeSeeCold

Vote EyeSeeCold

vote esc

Vote Hado

Vote Hado

I vote Hado

Vote redbaron

VOTE HADO

Hado

Unvote

Unvote redbaron

Vote Puffy

UNVOTE ZERKALO

VOTE ARTSU THARAZ

Unvote Puffy

Vote Puffy

I got you in this one this time zerkalo.

 

[QuickTwist]

1. Hadoblado - 3, EyeSeeCold, ruminator, Sinny91
2. Nebulous - 0
3. Happy - 0
4. Zerkalo - 0
5. ruminator - 0
6. redbaron - 1, Happy
7. Puffy - 1, Puffy
8. Rook Vanilla Townie
9. Helvete Vanilla Townie
10. Cheeseumpuffs Vanilla Townie
11. Sinny91 - 0
12. EyeSeeCold - 2, redbaron, zerkalo, Nebulous
13. Artsu Tharaz - 1, Artsu Tharaz

Not Voting - 2, Hadoblado, Happy

With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day ends in ~20hours, 49min

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160523T18&p0=159&font=cursive

Vote Ruminator

Vote: EyeSeeCold

Vote EyeSeeCold

vote esc

Vote Hado

Vote Hado

I vote Hado

Vote redbaron

VOTE HADO

Hado

Unvote

Unvote redbaron

Vote Puffy

UNVOTE ZERKALO

VOTE ARTSU THARAZ

Unvote Puffy

Vote Puffy

vote EyeSeeCold

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Unvote esc

 

[Nebulous]

Official Vote Count:

1. Hadoblado - 3, EyeSeeCold, ruminator, Sinny91
2. Nebulous - 0
3. Happy - 0
4. Zerkalo - 0
5. ruminator - 0
6. redbaron - 1, Happy
7. Puffy - 1, Puffy
8. Rook Vanilla Townie
9. Helvete Vanilla Townie
10. Cheeseumpuffs Vanilla Townie
11. Sinny91 - 0
12. EyeSeeCold - 2, redbaron, zerkalo
13. Artsu Tharaz - 1, Artsu Tharaz

Not Voting - 3, Nebulous, Hadoblado, Happy

With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day ends in ~20hours, 55min

I voted for ESC.

Also it's interesting that ESC and Ruminator are both voting for Hado. They're both big time mafia suspects.
Those voting for ESC - redbaron, zerk and I- are the three people I'm most certain of being townies.

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Sorry for being a bit*h QT lol but I just decided to Unvote esc

 

[Nebulous]

Unvote esc

Why ?

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

Because vote puffy

 

[QuickTwist]

Sorry for being a bit*h QT lol but I just decided to Unvote esc

I'll do a vote count later

 

[Sinny91]

Why ?

Because she's a good Townie, that's why.

 

[Sinny91]

My ratings of suspicion are such:

Rook
Cheese
Sinny
Eye's
Neb
Zerk

Ruminator
Artsu

Puffy
Helvete

Happy
Hado
Baron

New suspicion list:

Rook
Cheese
Helvete
Sinny
Eye's
Ruminator


Zerk
Puffy
Artsu
Happy

Neb
Hado
Baron

 

[Hadoblado]

@Neb
Yeah, your read on ESC, Ruminator, zerk, and rb are all spot on for the respective alignments.

You, Sinny, Zerk, and RB are all confirmed town. If I die, you'll know that this was a genuine read and can refer to it. Until then don't worry about it.

I also think ESC and ruminator are scum, but am prioritising Puffy because I believe he's the most problematic.

So ATM I'm riding your dick. You need to ask yourself whether I needed to do that if I was scum. I think your posts haven't been the strongest in the first few days, but over time you've become more and more green. Constantly giving little bits of green reads, never doing anything very scummy other than a little martyrdom, and finally committing to your reads that I happen to strongly agree with. Your perceptive faculties are stronger than what I would expect from your non-committal posting, which means you're either better at understanding than you are at acting, or you're holding back while you solve the game. Either way, it works for me and this game.

 

[Sinny91]

@Neb
Yeah, your read on ESC, Ruminator, zerk, and rb are all spot on for the respective alignments.

You, Sinny, Zerk, and RB are all confirmed town. If I die, you'll know that this was a genuine read and can refer to it. Until then don't worry about it.

I also think ESC and ruminator are scum, but am prioritising Puffy because I believe he's the most problematic.

So ATM I'm riding your dick. You need to ask yourself whether I needed to do that if I was scum. I think your posts haven't been the strongest in the first few days, but over time you've become more and more green. Constantly giving little bits of green reads, never doing anything very scummy other than a little martyrdom, and finally committing to your reads that I happen to strongly agree with. Your perceptive faculties are stronger than what I would expect from your non-committal posting, which means you're either better at understanding than you are at acting, or you're holding back while you solve the game. Either way, it works for me and this game.

Interesting that as my reading of Neb gradually moves from green to red, your reading does the opposite. Odd that you should say that we were destined for blows.. Only because you knew and know that you are the mafia.

Nebulous stop fraternising with the enemy. You're on probation from now on.

 

[Hadoblado]

Sinny
If Puffy dies and flips red, will I be clear of suspicion?

Because my red read on Puffy is as strong as my green read on redbaron and you. I would risk the entire game on him being red. I'm all-in. If we lynch Puffy and he's not scum, I offer my head on the block for tomorrow. I won't post for all of day three, him flipping green will be proof that I'm scum, and I expect everyone to listen to it and lynch me.

So I'm offering you a deal. If you think I'm scum, you will definitely get to kill me and remove your biggest opposition. Look, Puffy wants to die even! This is win win win.

This goes for you too hypothetical but absolutely not in all truth townie ESC. If you think I'm scum, I'll let you kill me. If you kill puffy.

I was genuinely afraid that I was going to be lynched before, but I woke up and the moderates were being moderate or genuinely good. So I'm not in any danger of being lynched anymore. You won't get me today, but if you let me kill Puffy, you will definitely get one scum by the end of tomorrow.

 

[Hadoblado]

This goes for you too hypothetical but absolutely not in all truth townie ESC. If you think I'm scum, I'll let you kill me. If you kill puffy.

Just to be clear, this in no way indicates I think there's even a 1% chance that ESC is town. What I'm saying is that, a town ESC couldn't kill Puffy even if doing so would be in accord with his strongest read on me. He can't trade in a town puffy for a scumdoblado, even though one scum for one town is a good deal for a town ESC. The reason he cannot do this is because he's not a town.

 

[Hadoblado]

We got a deal Sinny?

 

[redbaron]

"I don't make deal with scum." Said Pig.

 

[Nebulous]

Interesting that as my reading of Neb gradually moves from green to red, your reading does the opposite.

Makes sense though... Because your readings of pretty much everyone are different from Hado's.

Nebulous stop fraternising with the enemy. You're on probation from now on.

Seeing as I'm on academic probation as well, I should really try to get some more homework done before my wifi goes off in twenty minutes. :P Gotta read the sparknotes of the Tempest... Bleh.
G'night mom

 

[redbaron]

Makes sense though... Because your readings of pretty much everyone are different from Hado's.

Nah dude, the brand new mafia player found the trio of mafia in record time. She's headed to the world championships, yo!

 

[Sinny91]

We got a deal Sinny?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4d8PHDG4yE

 

[Hadoblado]

Why not?

This aligns with your intentions. This will get scum dead according to what you have stated you believe.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4d8PHDG4yE

Spoiler

 

[EyeSeeCold]

vote EyeSeeCold

I've stated my reasoning multiple times that we need to lynch someone, I suspect Hado of being mafia but lynching him today would be a stupid gamble. ESC isn't as much of a gamble because 1. It's likely that he's mafia and 2. Even if he's town, I'd rather loose a townie ESC than a townie Hado OR mafia Hado at this point.
]

You continue to claim I'm mafia but fail to provide a single ounce of reasoning. I see now that there is little chance that Zerk was bussing in the 6/7 Neb vote you because you have been awfully supportive of RB+Hado in every single one of the few scant posts you made.

 

[Sinny91]

Sinny
If Puffy dies and flips red, will I be clear of suspicion?

Erm, no.

Because my red read on Puffy is as strong as my green read on redbaron and you.

Really now.

I would risk the entire game on him being red. I'm all-in.

I'm already all in. I'm not budging positions till you're out of the game.

If we lynch Puffy and he's not scum, I offer my head on the block for tomorrow.

Plausible deniability. You claim your Town, mafia's in charge of the hit. You don't get hit, claim there's nothing you could do to stop it. Ugh, don't bargain with power that you don't got.

I won't post for all of day three, him flipping green will be proof that I'm scum, and I expect everyone to listen to it and lynch me.

I'd rather not risk it, when I think I'm already on the money.

So I'm offering you a deal. If you think I'm scum, you will definitely get to kill me and remove your biggest opposition.

Just how is this guaranteed?

Look, Puffy wants to die even! This is win win win.

Call me a conspiracy buff but the mafia must be using psychotronics or something.. Why are all the Towns people feeling suicidal ??

This goes for you too hypothetical but absolutely not in all truth townie ESC. If you think I'm scum, I'll let you kill me. If you kill puffy.

laughable.

So I'm not in any danger of being lynched anymore. You won't get me today, but if you let me kill Puffy, you will definitely get one scum by the end of tomorrow.

We're half way there, don't get it twisted.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

New suspicion list:

Rook
Cheese
Helvete
Sinny
Eye's
Ruminator


Zerk
Puffy
Artsu
Happy

Neb
Hado
Baron

Agreed. I can see Happy being unsure, he says he is ENTP and that is understandable. Puffy is intelligent enough to play double agent but he's been consistent the whole time. Artsu is green for me but he hasn't been as active so I can see why you might be unsure but I don't suspect him at all. Zerk has unwittingly been a key player and for me it ties in with how Puffy and Neb will react.

So I'm still waiting on Happy, Puffy, Zerk and Artsu to make the Hado vote.

 

[Hadoblado]

*breathes deep*

Okay.

My offer to ESC still stands.

 

[redbaron]

@Hadoblado

Can you give me a suspicion-rating list?

 

[Sinny91]

Agreed. I can see Happy being unsure, he says he is ENTP and that is understandable.

I'd like to trust Happy, as I think my initial distrust was unfairly founded. But I won't accept any less in loyalty than having support on the Hado issue.

Puffy is intelligent enough to play double agent but he's been consistent the whole time.

My thoughts too.

Artsu is green for me but he hasn't been as active so I can see why you might be unsure but I don't suspect him at all.

Purely because he's not saying shit. Nor demonstrating support to our cause.

Zerk has unwittingly been a key player and for me it ties in with how Puffy and Neb will react.

Yep, ditto.

So I'm still waiting on Happy, Puffy, Zerk and Artsu to make the Hado vote.

Same, deciding factor.

 

[Hadoblado]

Definite Scum: ESC, Puffy
Almost definite scum: Ruminator
Middling: Happy (I hope to read him better shortly), artsu,
Confirmed Town: Sinny, RB, Hado, zerkalo, neb

Usually it's bad to list like this, but I'm working with very high confidence in my reads, and at this point think I can end the game if I can manage to convince town.

i.e. if they kill me now, the first three people on this list die while we still have useful town alive, so there will be at most one mafia between artsu and happy remaining, who I trust a mixture of you, neb, and zerk to catch. There isn't much wiggle room for them.

It's pretty deterministic.

 

[Sinny91]

Puffy listen to me. I will not argue your innocence, because right now whether you are town is inconsequential, but that doesn't mean I or anyone else has doubts for you.

But think. The only people who have even uttered your name recently are Neb, Hado and RB. Doesn't that seem suspect to you? I have suspected Hado from the beginning. You must vote for Hado Puffy.

Puffy, I also implore you.

 

[QuickTwist]

Official Vote Count:

1. Hadoblado - 3, EyeSeeCold, ruminator, Sinny91
2. Nebulous - 0
3. Happy - 0
4. Zerkalo - 0
5. ruminator - 0
6. redbaron - 0
7. Puffy - 2, Puffy, zerkalo
8. Rook Vanilla Townie
9. Helvete Vanilla Townie
10. Cheeseumpuffs Vanilla Townie
11. Sinny91 - 0
12. EyeSeeCold - 2, redbaron, Nebulous
13. Artsu Tharaz - 1, Artsu Tharaz

Not Voting - 2, Hadoblado, Happy

With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day ends in ~18hours, 29min

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160523T18&p0=159&font=cursive

Vote Ruminator

Vote: EyeSeeCold

Vote EyeSeeCold

vote esc

Vote Hado

Vote Hado

I vote Hado

Vote redbaron

VOTE HADO

Hado

Unvote

Unvote redbaron

Vote Puffy

UNVOTE ZERKALO

VOTE ARTSU THARAZ

Unvote Puffy

Vote Puffy

vote EyeSeeCold

Unvote esc

vote puffy

 

[Hadoblado]

@Puffy
ESC's judged for you that the godzilla threshold has been surpassed. Time to all-in and stick up for each other (establishing a scum relationship and losing later), or lose now. Because you are both utterly compromised. The best you can hope for is that your third alludes town once I'm dead. But they not gonna. Because you need to kill me tonight, leaving cop alive (unless you wanna try your luck sniping cop? DDD gl with that, I'd love to stay until day 3). If I remain your third will be found. If cop remains they will have two reads, one of them will be on ruminator, and if he's red you've lost. If he's not red, cop can claim and save him, leaving very few suspects in light of all the confirmed town. The only possible other options will be artsu and Happy. If either one is dead or cop, we can deduce that the other is the third scum.

FYI, if you're anything like me you're feeling real shit right now. It sucks to be losing with no outs for days on end. At night, if all remaining mafia agree, you'll have to ask QT but I'm pretty sure you can forfeit. No, not quitting won't throw off the math, even though it's your only hope of arguing yourselves out of this. Right now town's won, and the rest of this thread will be us going through the motions.

 

[Hadoblado]

Wait Sinny, if ESC flipped red would you believe that you've been manipulated?

As in, if there was undeniable evidence that all of the reads you two have agreed on were half mafia's meddlings, would you then reevaluate where you sit in this game? Or are you that accomplished at mental gymnastics you could still think yourself right (again, in the case that he flips red)?

Would you genuinely prefer to assume I'm mafia despite my main attacker bar yourself being undeniably scum? Consider carefully, because I'm going to hold you to this. If under no circumstance you can not see me as scum, even when the majority of the support you thought you had for this notion turns out to be the exact opposite of what you thought it was, then the town need to know so they can ignore your input too.

 

[redbaron]

Definite Scum: ESC, Puffy
Almost definite scum: Ruminator
Middling: Happy (I hope to read him better shortly), artsu,
Confirmed Town: Sinny, RB, Hado, zerkalo, neb

Usually it's bad to list like this, but I'm working with very high confidence in my reads, and at this point think I can end the game if I can manage to convince town.

i.e. if they kill me now, the first three people on this list die while we still have useful town alive, so there will be at most one mafia between artsu and happy remaining, who I trust a mixture of you, neb, and zerk to catch. There isn't much wiggle room for them.

It's pretty deterministic.

Okay, thanks.

 

[Happy]

QT: vote count is incorrect. I don't have a vote on RB anymore. I took it off.

I will be making my voting decision some time tonight (Australia time). Still not at a computer. Will be in a few hours time.

 

[Happy]

EBWOP

Oops shit. I misread. I didn't see the last post you made QT. vote count is correct. Probably.
This stuff doesn't work too well on a phone...

 

[redbaron]

If we are not gonna be making accusations yet, then I don't really know what to post. I've played this game IRL many times before. I haven't read any guides.

Just waiting for night one, so we can get some content to work with.

Cya

Lol what? When I said I'm waiting for day one to be over, obviously I wasn't going to break the "one post every 24 hour" rule because then I'd get kicked off anyway. I just meant I'm waiting for something to happen before starting the suspicion game.

I'm confused a little, why are we voting now? I might have totally missed this in the instructions but when I've played IRL, we vote AFTER the first person is killed. Maybe it is different in this game and I totally missed that.

Anyway, what exactly is the connection between minimal posting and being mafia? I tend to think the overposters are mafia. My first suspicion was Hado.

Cops are allowed to ask the moderator whether a single person is a mafia member or not in each round.

So I'm curious, what's the logic behind reading me as mafia rather than townie?

- I don't know if that's true, the quicker the town starts, the better IF the town's voting is correct. If it is wrong, it just puts the town one point behind sooner.

- That's some interesting reverse psychology shit. But anyway I think it's more than just who is posting most. I think what makes me suspicious is who is jumping into pointing fingers right off the bat.

- wait and see approach is a disadvantage ONLY IF voting would produce a correct vote. Voting early is not automatically a good thing, it is conditional upon whether the vote is correct. Think about it, assume the vote is wrong, and you are voting a townie off, then what benefit did you get by voting early?

Zerk,

Why do you not think it is possible for both, Hado and RB to be mafia?

Personally, I suspect both.

I always suspected Hado due to the nature of the beginning posts.

Then, RB comes along and votes for me for no reason. The stated rationale was that lurkers are more likely to be mafia. This didn't make sense to me, but okay ..

Then, Cheese comes in with beautiful reasoning explaining why RB makes no sense. As soon as RB was implicated, RB switches positions and: 1) turns against Cheese 2) changes the reasoning for voting for me (now stating it was a strategy to force me to talk, rather than using the prior reasoning of lurker's being more likely to be mafia.

Another thing that made no sense about RB was the argument that lynching ASAP is best. This seems like a ploy to get more townies lynched and speed the game.

Finally, there is an obvious concert between RB and Hado. Hado states that it is "100% certain" that RB is not mafia. How did this get proven? I didn't see any proof in the threads. And Hado and RB are agreeing on everything. This seems like a mafia strategy to team up to get more townies out, and prevent themselves from being suspects.

I have suspicions on both RB and Hado. Right now, Hado already has some votes so,

I vote Hado

Hado,

I don't understand your strategy of saying that if you get lynched and turn green, it proves RB is green? Why would other townies believe that in the first place, what proof does that give them?

Are you saying that if X is town and Y is mafia, and X tells everyone that Y is town, Y would want to NK X? I feel that Y would want to keep X around in the game, because X trusts Y and will continue vouching for him.

There's a problem for the town at this point with the way these two wagons are going.

The thing is: Sinny and ESC are both new to the game. The fact that they both have this certainty that they've correctly read 2/3 people as guaranteed mafia, and found a likely 3rd when they're that inexperienced is plausible. They're going for what seems like the really obvious tell, as it's being sold to them by multiple people.

Ruminator however, isn't new. She's the one we know has definitely played this game before.

Out of ESC/Ruminator, ESC is at least posting more. He's going out of his way to interact and hunt scum. It could quite easily be a ruse designed to try and look more town, but at the very least he's posting more.

On the other hand, Ruminator isn't. She's so far done nothing but tunnel-vision on Hadoblado and me all game and she's barely talking. She hasn't even interacted with a single other townsperson. Which is really odd because the condition she gave on Day 1 for not wanting to talk was simply that there wasn't enough information.

Well right now there's a lot of information and she's still not talking?

This is her posting history. The first post she made was, "I want to be able to lurk." and her modus operandi for the entire time has been to target anyone who is trying to pull people into interacting more.

Why would any sane Townsperson not favour more interaction?

If we are not gonna be making accusations yet, then I don't really know what to post. I've played this game IRL many times before. I haven't read any guides.

Just waiting for night one, so we can get some content to work with.

Cya

Lol what? When I said I'm waiting for day one to be over, obviously I wasn't going to break the "one post every 24 hour" rule because then I'd get kicked off anyway. I just meant I'm waiting for something to happen before starting the suspicion game.

I'm confused a little, why are we voting now? I might have totally missed this in the instructions but when I've played IRL, we vote AFTER the first person is killed. Maybe it is different in this game and I totally missed that.

Anyway, what exactly is the connection between minimal posting and being mafia? I tend to think the overposters are mafia. My first suspicion was Hado.

Cops are allowed to ask the moderator whether a single person is a mafia member or not in each round.

So I'm curious, what's the logic behind reading me as mafia rather than townie?

- I don't know if that's true, the quicker the town starts, the better IF the town's voting is correct. If it is wrong, it just puts the town one point behind sooner.

- That's some interesting reverse psychology shit. But anyway I think it's more than just who is posting most. I think what makes me suspicious is who is jumping into pointing fingers right off the bat.

- wait and see approach is a disadvantage ONLY IF voting would produce a correct vote. Voting early is not automatically a good thing, it is conditional upon whether the vote is correct. Think about it, assume the vote is wrong, and you are voting a townie off, then what benefit did you get by voting early?

Zerk,

Why do you not think it is possible for both, Hado and RB to be mafia?

Personally, I suspect both.

I always suspected Hado due to the nature of the beginning posts.

Then, RB comes along and votes for me for no reason. The stated rationale was that lurkers are more likely to be mafia. This didn't make sense to me, but okay ..

Then, Cheese comes in with beautiful reasoning explaining why RB makes no sense. As soon as RB was implicated, RB switches positions and: 1) turns against Cheese 2) changes the reasoning for voting for me (now stating it was a strategy to force me to talk, rather than using the prior reasoning of lurker's being more likely to be mafia.

Another thing that made no sense about RB was the argument that lynching ASAP is best. This seems like a ploy to get more townies lynched and speed the game.

Finally, there is an obvious concert between RB and Hado. Hado states that it is "100% certain" that RB is not mafia. How did this get proven? I didn't see any proof in the threads. And Hado and RB are agreeing on everything. This seems like a mafia strategy to team up to get more townies out, and prevent themselves from being suspects.

I have suspicions on both RB and Hado. Right now, Hado already has some votes so,

I vote Hado

Hado,

I don't understand your strategy of saying that if you get lynched and turn green, it proves RB is green? Why would other townies believe that in the first place, what proof does that give them?

Are you saying that if X is town and Y is mafia, and X tells everyone that Y is town, Y would want to NK X? I feel that Y would want to keep X around in the game, because X trusts Y and will continue vouching for him.

Just look at that. Not a single post of her that involves accusation has fallen outside of either Hado or myself. She's playing a total tunnel-vision game, and getting away with it.

As of this point, as bad as ESC looks I think Ruminator still looks much worse.

She's either really terrible at playing Town or she's mafia.

Considering she's, "played this game many times before" how likely is it that she's the former?

Moreover, can the Town actually let someone play a game where they take up a position posing absolutely zero risks to themselves and let them get away with it?

 

[redbaron]

Ruminator is limiting her sphere of interaction exclusively to people who're already under suspicion from the rest of the town - she's actively avoiding any kind of interaction where she couldn't have plausible deniability if another Townie thought her accusation was strange.

Not only that, after all the calling for thinking about things and the Town making good decisions, she drops this bomb:

Finally, there is an obvious concert between RB and Hado. Hado states that it is "100% certain" that RB is not mafia. How did this get proven? I didn't see any proof in the threads. And Hado and RB are agreeing on everything. This seems like a mafia strategy to team up to get more townies out, and prevent themselves from being suspects.

An obvious concert between myself and Hado? So not only is Ruminator going to absolutely zero effort to interact with other Town members, she's coming out again with the accusation that she's found two mafia this early in the game.

She's an experienced player, playing the most anti-town game out of anyone by coat-tailing on already existing thought bandwagons and avoiding any kind of other interaction that would force her into the open.

Right now, she's more terrible at Town than ESC ever was. Are we going to allow that?

 

[EyeSeeCold]

There's a problem for the town at this point with the way these two wagons are going.

The thing is: Sinny and ESC are both new to the game. The fact that they both have this certainty that they've correctly read 2/3 people as guaranteed mafia, and found a likely 3rd when they're that inexperienced is plausible. They're going for what seems like the really obvious tell, as it's being sold to them by multiple people.

Ruminator however, isn't new. She's the one we know has definitely played this game before.

Did you or did you not make the following statement earlier?

Also worth noting that I've never played this game either at a party or on the internet, so it's possibly that I really have no idea what I'm talking about.

Unless you're a dirty scum liar, you're new as well so I don't think you have the qualifications to rule on my or Sinny's n00b status, or rummy's expertise for that matter.

 

[redbaron]

Did you or did you not make the following statement earlier?

Yep, it's my first game.

Unless you're a dirty scum liar, you're new as well so I don't think you have the qualifications to rule on my or Sinny's n00b status, or rummy's expertise for that matter.

Except I'm not the one trying to claim that I've already confirmed 2 mafia and likely know the 3rd

 

[redbaron]

ESC, you're playing God of the Gaps again.

You still haven't responded to this post.

How come you're defending Ruminator anyway? Why are you trying to shut down legitimate questioning into another potential mafia?

 

[Ex-User (11125)]

I don't think experience is a decent claim against the targets either, it doesn't necessarily follow that a player would draw a certain conclusion or have a certain playstyle if they're experienced...can we get back on track? At this rate we won't reach consensus and we'll loose a lynch

 

[redbaron]

I don't think experience is a decent claim against the targets either, it doesn't necessarily follow that a player would draw a certain conclusion or have a certain playstyle if they're experienced...can we get back on track? At this rate we won't reach consensus and we'll loose a lynch

What's your take on the rest of the stuff on Ruminator then?

At this point both ESC and Ruminator are playing this game about as anti-town as they can.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

can we get back on track? At this rate we won't reach consensus and we'll loose a lynch

Ok . You still have a vote for puffy, right?

I think voting for anyone other than Hado right now is a distraction. I want you to switch your vote.

But if you don't agree with my suspicions then don't waste your vote by voting for puffy or ruminator. Vote me. Vote me. Hado, Neb and RB want me gone so you have 3 votes already. Vote me.

Right now even if Puffy or ruminator was mafia there isn't much info to link the others so they aren't useful lynches. But vindicating me shows you can trust Sinny and rummy.

Except I'm not the one trying to claim that I've already confirmed 2 mafia and likely know the 3rd

So you're telling me after 15 pages and 700 posts you still have no idea who is mafia?

 

[redbaron]

So you're telling me after 15 pages and 700 posts you still have no idea who is mafia?

Enough to lock in a vote and actually stop people from exploring other options? No.

You're telling me that on Day 2 you think you can legitimately identify 2 and a likely 3rd mafia, when all you've done is tunnel 1-2 people the entire time?

 

[Hadoblado]

Are you telling me that after 15 pages and 700 posts that every town should find it obvious? Because if that were the case, all scum would be dead by now. It'd be an obvious majority because all town would vote for the mafia and the mafia would be outnumbered. That's not the case, and you don't think it's the case, so you don't really have the expectation that people should know who the mafia are by now.

Which means you're talking shit. To bolster your standings. You posturing motherfucker.

At least you're now hinting at understanding that the more that is said the more the scum can be found, and I will hold you to it.