Forum Mafia Game #1

[redbaron]

So why exactly do you think ESC is scum? I don't actually see any reason to suspect him... my mind can be changed though...

He's not an idiot. He's smart.

Yet he keeps doing a bunch of things that are either anti-town or just outright scummy.

1. He's the consistent perpetrator of the idea that we should either avoid lynching Day 1. Despite many well-reasoned arguments to the opposite, he refuses to abandon this shtick.
2. He also provides absolutely shit reasoning of his own for how the Town should play. See this post of his:

If you vote me out you better have a solid case for your other two mafia picks cause we don't have many days left.

If you were smart you would save me for last while you uncover the other mafia while you still had time.

He's basically saying that our town strategy should be to not execute someone we highly suspect to be mafia. Does this sound like the sort of thing a Townie would say? Also why would he say this now when he is the one on the chopping block, and never in reference to why we should let some other mafia live longer? Hmm?

Any townie who thinks you should not lynch a mafia when you have a strong consensus that they're mafia, is either the worst townie ever, or definitely mafia.

As above, it's practically impossible to tell the difference between the two - so I'm not going to second guess my read on this. ESC is either mafia or he just sucks at this game, and I'm not going to use, "sucks at the game" to stop me lynching someone - because as of right now, there's more than 3 people echoing this, "lynching Day 1 is bad" shtick.

Which means there is undeniably some really bad town players. I don't want to execute people just for being bad at town, because that's still not going to have town win. But the townies are doing the town absolutely no favours by regurgitating this shtick that I'm absolutely certain at least 1 mafia member is by now - because they will have picked up on this lack of conviction in the town and will use it against us.

Not only that, voting Hado is exactly the narrative we painted on Day 1. That "if Hado doesn't get NK'd, let's lynch him!"

If Hado is Town, then that bait is exactly what caused Helvete, and not Hado to die on Day 1. The mafia have played into that narrative and if Town are smart, we can analyse the Day 1 Train as well as this current train to get a mafia lynched.

Again I'm not sold on Hado being Town, and I'm playing the less obvious game. The thing is, the mafia could be playing the obvious game, seeing as how weak the Town is. We're a Day behind because of how long it's taking to get everyone up to speed that Not Lynching People Is a Dumb Fucking Idea - so the Town is undeniably divided over this very obviously exploitable narrative that we should never have let the mafia exploit in the first place.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Hey, I have no internet at home, I'm using my phone on public wi fi mostly. Just posting this to not get modkilled.

 

[Hadoblado]

Oh man.

Look at this.

Cheeseums knows I'm not allowed to read anything he sends. And he's still angry about me lynching him. So now I've got to sit here with a messy inbox for as long as I'm alive. He's subliminally telling me to kill myself.

 

[redbaron]

Right now this is the question I have to ask myself:

Do Ivote ESC who is doing lots of things anti-town, or do I vote Hadoblado who is doing lots of things pro-town?

ESC has literally. Not. Done. A. Single. Pro-Town. Thing. All. Fucking. Game. Period.

 

[Sinny91]

Artsu man, I'm semi seized...

I'd love to be seshin with you.

Are you Townie doh? You know you need to me doh, enih bro?!

 

[Sinny91]

Hold your tongue shinny!

 

[Happy]

Oh man.

Look at this.

Cheeseums knows I'm not allowed to read anything he sends. And he's still angry about me lynching him. So now I've got to sit here with a messy inbox for as long as I'm alive. He's subliminally telling me to kill myself.

Open it and share with everyone? Or is that against the rules?

Thanks for sharing that much, btw.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

And I just wanna say that the only conclusion I've come to thus far is that ESC is town. From my experience playing poker, his metagame does not sound like a bluff.

 

[Hadoblado]

Guys I'm not going to actually make my case on ESC yet.

Why? Because if I make it too early people will get bored and bandwagon off by the time lynch comes around. I will make the case, just not yet. I'm pretty confident I can convince you later when it will be relevant.

Until then:
- Artzu needs to speak up. ATM he's classification: deep lurker.
- I'm pretty sure Happy said he was going to be available today. Am I mistaken? Why is he suddenly going to another thing when he said he was going to be available?
- ESC needs to actually do something.
- Puffy gotta come in here and tell me what he's done for town. Talk about himself a bunch and about his hopes and aspirations for who's head goes on the chopping block.

 

[Hadoblado]

Wait Artzu you play poker? Do you play at a level at which you make money off poker?

 

[Hadoblado]

Open it and share with everyone? Or is that against the rules?

Thanks for sharing that much, btw.

Nice try.

Erryone out to get me modkilled.

 

[Happy]

Why am I going to another thing? Because I make many commitments. It's the ENTP curse. But I did get some computer time earlier and I'm not drinking tonight because I have meetings in the morning, so I'll happily post on my phone.

 

[Happy]

Also, wasnt trying to get you mod killed.

 

[QuickTwist]

Special Note:

So this is how INTPf plays forum mafia. Not an easy job being my first game hosting.

 

[Happy]

Yeah you poor bastard. I didn't expect this either. It's full on.

 

[Hadoblado]

I honestly thought there'd be more theory crafting involved.

 

[Sinny91]

Here's one I prepared earlier: hashtag Art Attack

(Really not read the thread since beginning of day two )

Lessons Learned, End of Day One:

Never underestimate the power of group mentality, and never underestimate the combined power of the final countdown in addition to group peer pressure. I caved. In the last 15 seconds under Redbarons peer pressure to lynch Cheese. Thankfully I left it too late to unvote my original vote, which was for Hado. I'm glad because I didn't want to lynch Cheese anyway. Or Nebulous. Imagine my fright when they decided to lynch themselves anyway! Neb, at least, managed to pull her self back from the brink.. But Cheesums damn you, what's your bloody excuse?

I think me and Eye's have both demonstrated where our loyalties lay in our apparent efforts to subvert the misdirected lynchings of the Towns people. Zerko helped pull it back for Neb, but also jumped on the Cheesewagon. Perhaps you just caved to group think as did I?

I that think Cheese misplaced his trust in Hadoblado. I think the Mafia engineered the lynches on both Neb and Cheese. I think that two mafia can be found in the list of lynch creators. Whilst one is lurking.

My ratings of suspicion are such:

Rook
Cheese
Sinny
Eye's
Neb
Zerk

Ruminator
Artsu

Puffy
Helvete

Happy
Hado
Baron


Hado exerted a lot of influence during day one. Influence is power, and we need to ascertain his.. dubious... loyalties asap. We can keep him around for a 'lively' game. But we are here to win, not to enjoy ourselves whilst we loose. Hado was the one calling for unfounded lynchs, and Baron seems to have given all the support he required... as did a number of us.

If Baron is a Townie as he and Hado claim, they are loose cannons. The mafia will most of all seek to get us to lynch or fellow townies. We cannot afford to throw caution to the wind.

The Mafia's advantage is having knowledge, organisation and a certain level of trust. I propose that we the town's people start getting our shit in order. I am more than willing to work with those townspeople who I am not suspicious of, and those lurkers yet to make their agenda known.

If you are in my suspect list and wish to convince me otherwise, by all means go ahead..

****

Somethings have changed since then... But bleh.

 

[Hadoblado]

Don't edit.

 

[Hadoblado]

Sinny you stank bitch don't you dare be editing.

 

[Happy]

Someone is editing

 

[Hadoblado]

If you get modkilled Sinny I swear on me mum...

 

[Happy]

It's sinny

 

[Hadoblado]

I can't tell if there's any difference. Hopefully she didn't do anything silly.

QT, if she did edit, can we have her edits checked to make sure that it's nothing sinister instead of policy modkilling?

I know she shouldn't have done it, but if another townie goes down to modkilled we're doomed. She's been drinking, it's habit. Sorry to cause a fuss, but I can't have her dead.

 

[Happy]

I think she's just added the last sentence.

 

[QuickTwist]

Here's one I prepared earlier: hashtag Art Attack

(Really not read the thread since beginning of day two )

Lessons Learned, End of Day One:

Never underestimate the power of group mentality, and never underestimate the combined power of the final countdown in addition to group peer pressure. I caved. In the last 15 seconds under Redbarons peer pressure to lynch Cheese. Thankfully I left it too late to unvote my original vote, which was for Hado. I'm glad because I didn't want to lynch Cheese anyway. Or Nebulous. Imagine my fright when they decided to lynch themselves anyway! Neb, at least, managed to pull her self back from the brink.. But Cheesums damn you, what's your bloody excuse?

I think me and Eye's have both demonstrated where our loyalties lay in our apparent efforts to subvert the misdirected lynchings of the Towns people. Zerko helped pull it back for Neb, but also jumped on the Cheesewagon. Perhaps you just caved to group think as did I?

I that think Cheese misplaced his trust in Hadoblado. I think the Mafia engineered the lynches on both Neb and Cheese. I think that two mafia can be found in the list of lynch creators. Whilst one is lurking.

My ratings of suspicion are such:

Rook
Cheese
Sinny
Eye's
Neb
Zerk

Ruminator
Artsu

Puffy
Helvete

Happy
Hado
Baron


Hado exerted a lot of influence during day one. Influence is power, and we need to ascertain his.. dubious... loyalties asap. We can keep him around for a 'lively' game. But we are here to win, not to enjoy ourselves whilst we loose. Hado was the one calling for unfounded lynchs, and Baron seems to have given all the support he required... as did a number of us.

If Baron is a Townie as he and Hado claim, they are loose cannons. The mafia will most of all seek to get us to lynch or fellow townies. We cannot afford to throw caution to the wind.

The Mafia's advantage is having knowledge, organisation and a certain level of trust. I propose that we the town's people start getting our shit in order. I am more than willing to work with those townspeople who I am not suspicious of, and those lurkers yet to make their agenda known.

If you are in my suspect list and wish to convince me otherwise, by all means go ahead..

****

Somethings have changed since then... But bleh.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP EDITING YOUR POST!!!

FAIR WARNING, NEXT TIME YOU WILL BE MODKILLED.

 

[Sinny91]

Hahahahahah ohhh shittttt.
Too like ten minutes but then I realised.

 

[Hadoblado]

I think she crossed out too many names and was trying to edit it?

 

[Hadoblado]

Sinny I want you to post bb, but if you too drank to not get modkilled maybe you should wait a little while XD

 

[Sinny91]

Took***

Ffs. Knew this would happen. Stoner moment. Just smoked a spliff and I'm drunk.

I was doing so well.. wasn't I ?!

 

[Sinny91]

I'm in stitches. Felt like I edited like, 30 times.

Wow. seriously.. Lessons Learned, Start of Day Two:

There's a good reason you don't post drunk.

 

[Hadoblado]

Pffft says you. I made like 30 posts day one while plastered.

You just gotta be good at it homey.

 

[QuickTwist]

I can't tell if there's any difference. Hopefully she didn't do anything silly.

QT, if she did edit, can we have her edits checked to make sure that it's nothing sinister instead of policy modkilling?

I know she shouldn't have done it, but if another townie goes down to modkilled we're doomed. She's been drinking, it's habit. Sorry to cause a fuss, but I can't have her dead.

I would absolutely love it if there was an easy and fast way to see what was edited, but usually mods take their time with stuff and I don't think I could find out fast enough. Unless you have a solution?

 

[Hadoblado]

I don't. TBH I don't even know how to check previous iterations of an edit... It's never come up.

I remember someone saying that mods could do it. Maybe it's possible to make you a mod for the gaming section like Blarraun was? You'd have to ask Kuu or Fukky.

 

[Sinny91]

I was just attempting to make my English better.. Like, I know the rule exists for a reason, but there should be like reasonable allowances, surely.

Can't believe I'm being penalised for attempting to dot my EYES and cross my TEAS.

lol.

Hado, you mafia man. Can't believe you didnt assassinate me, fort I was prime target. Or is dat too obvious?!

 

[Sinny91]

I think she's just added the last sentence.

Fucking GRASS.

Townie or not, we don't GRASS around these parts.

 

[Sinny91]

Also Zerkalo, I want to know why you've second-guessed the wisdom of lynching Nebulous from start to finish. Not only were you hesitant to even throw a vote her way, you even advocated for us to switch targets.

So far you've done very little that could potentially cause a stir but as I see it, you're not really doing anything impactful. Either with your vote or your words. You're playing exactly the supportive and seemingly helpful role you're supposed to play, without ever actually helping the town cause.

The voting patterns don't add up and neither does your reasonings so far. What's your read on Nebulous?

No, but Zerk has been impactful. She helped get on the Nebwagon, and then helped me bring it back. Zerk was also involved in the Cheese lynch.

I'm town, Sinny is town. zerk is probably town.

With Helvete and Cheesypoofs dead (rest their souls) we have some data to go on. I have to think about it though.

Dittoed

What I meant by this is, by not eliminating Hado, the mafia are playing us right into the narrative of: "if Hado isn't dead after first Night, the Town will kill him."

That's too obvious and far too easy a trap for the mafia to set. Perhaps the mafia really are that obvious, but they can't be that terrible at the game because they've managed to engineer a town-lynching on Day 1.

I think doth do protest too much.

How brave.

Oh you're down are you? Well gosh thanks for enlightening me! Gee whiz golly gee I do hope that you don't have and alterior motives here!

Oh Sinny's town is she? Oh dear. Because I was under the impression she definitely wasn't town. Certainly not an established town that, btw, I established.

Oh Zerkalo's probably town? Wut. WTF? I'm literally trying to get them hung right now, and you, thinking they're probably town, come to their defense by saying they're "probably town". Gee nice one.

Vote: EyeSeeCold

I know you're not an idiot. This is bullshit. Shape up and stop being so spineless. A person of your ability who is town should not be pushing this crap. You are pushing this crap, therefore, you are not town.

Are you trying to get lynched? You're going the right way about it.

If you think Sinny and I are mafia, and that either zerk or puffy is town. You have to explain the weird behavior of ruminator, happy, artsu, and neb who all lurk much more than I.

Either way your lack of conviction for redbaron reaffirms my suspicion of you.

This.

oh wow is it not clear as day why i would want to avoid a person i have no concrete reason to suspect and vote for the one i do?

i would really like to know how these 2 processes are equal in your eyes:
process 1: lynch probable townie on day 1+either townie or cop dies on night 1+lynch probable mafia based on day 1's lynch
process 2: lynch suspected mafia directly

it came to the point where you 2 were pressuring me to vote for a person i have no concrete reason to suspect, when there was another i was semi-sure was mafia due to blatant inconsistencies in posting. so i chose to vote for the second. if i were really all talk i would have simply abstained. look at how changing the vote is attracting most attention to me now, certainly not something i would want if i were mafia

This.

At first I was like "oh he's just a little bit confused", but then I was like "shit mang, he's overselling it".

And then I was like "gee, that's a lot of legwork this scum is trying to throw at me before I'm allowed to suspect him".

You think that I should suspect RB because we're both still alive? Is that your reasoning? Because that's the best thing you've said all game. This is not sarcasm. Elaborate on this point.

I vote that we lynch this mofo.

If I recall I've also multiple times welcomed interrogation. If it was earlier in the evening I'd respond to you now (its nearly 3am), but I'm expecting some epic post from hado and may as well return to this tomorrow. If he doesn't I'll write back anyway.

I would say I don't think its fair to level suspicion on cheeseumpuffs's lynch against me. Even sinny who clearly didn't want the lynch to happen changed her mind reluctantly. I laid out what I thought was a most reasonable lynch for town pretty early in the day in the form of an inactive. The reality was 20 minutes before the clock a lynch wasn't going to happen, and if I hadn't voted it wouldn't have happened, and you'd be saying how suspicious it was that I didn't contribute and divided the vote when hado asked me to and consequently left town day 1 no closer to identifying mafia.

The rest of what you're saying sound like fair suspicions to raise and I'm happy to return to this.

I'm so ashamed of myself.

Okay, so let's roll with this. You're a Townie who thinks that both Hado and I are mafia, and that both of us are playing this gambit of appearing Town and doing everything in our power to have the Town be an effective Town while secretly being mafia - posting tonnes of content for analysis where we could potentially slip up and blow our cover.

Pretty much.

If ESC flips scum, one of these is scum.

Yea, you. I'm quite annoyed with how easy you guys are making this.

A so-called cuthroat method for voting off scum only works if you actually vote off scum. You bastards got Cheesy lynched. Yeah I don't trust your methods at all.

This.

I suggest true Townies rally around me and Eye's.
We are the two most truthful people I know (on this forum)
Blowingtrumpets yayyy!

Eye's, don't argue with the idiots, they'll drag you don to their level and beat you with.... !!

Zerk I'm calling upon you to switch your vote to hado. If you are willing to lynch Puffy/Red/Hado then I know you are town and I am with you, otherwise I will have to consider you and Neb to be mafia.

Vote Hado

AND THIS!!
We're like sharing a brain right now, Eyes. I'm sorry that's doing you a disservice, I know.

ebwop

Vote Hado

VOTE HADO

Zerk,

Why do you not think it is possible for both, Hado and RB to be mafia?

Personally, I suspect both.

I always suspected Hado due to the nature of the beginning posts.

Then, RB comes along and votes for me for no reason. The stated rationale was that lurkers are more likely to be mafia. This didn't make sense to me, but okay ..

Then, Cheese comes in with beautiful reasoning explaining why RB makes no sense. As soon as RB was implicated, RB switches positions and: 1) turns against Cheese 2) changes the reasoning for voting for me (now stating it was a strategy to force me to talk, rather than using the prior reasoning of lurker's being more likely to be mafia.

Another thing that made no sense about RB was the argument that lynching ASAP is best. This seems like a ploy to get more townies lynched and speed the game.

Finally, there is an obvious concert between RB and Hado. Hado states that it is "100% certain" that RB is not mafia. How did this get proven? I didn't see any proof in the threads. And Hado and RB are agreeing on everything. This seems like a mafia strategy to team up to get more townies out, and prevent themselves from being suspects.

I have suspicions on both RB and Hado. Right now, Hado already has some votes so,

I vote Hado

This.

Sorry for all the drunk posts. I'm sobering up now. Its real early here. Apologies once more.

 

[Sinny91]

Artsu, less lurkin, more talkin.
Costs me a quid an hour this thing.

 

[redbaron]

If Hado gets lynched and he turns out red, it's sheer dumb luck. These lines of reasoning are downright terrible.

I know because I'm town, and the exact same arguments being levelled at Hadoblado being suspicious are the ones being levelled at me. So on top of the theoretical understanding I have which tells me they're terrible reads, I also have empirical confirmation that they're terrible reads.

If Hadoblado gets lynched, I figure I'm next. It'd make sense for me to just vote Hadoblado to diffuse suspicion. Since I know I'm town and he's not, I know I'm helping ensure that I survive as Town while a potential scum dies.

However I refuse to jump off someone who I've got a strong read on as mafia, for the sake of pandering to a bunch of people driving a wagon made of turds.

 

[Sinny91]

Doth protest!









Too much.

byebye Hadoblado.

 

[redbaron]

It really sucks that there's basically two things that can happen here:

1. Hado is lynched and flips green: game becomes very bad.
2. Hado is lynched and flips red: then I'm probably next because these same bonehead acccusations that apparently implicate him will implicate me. That leaves us with the following scenario:

Currently: 3 mafia, 7 town.

After first night if Hado is green, we're down to: 3 mafia, 5 town.
If Hado is red, we're down to: 2 mafia, 6 town.

Except at that point I'll probably be the next lynch if I'm not NK'd, people will play straight back into the same obvious narrative, lynch me and put the game at: 2 mafia, 4 town - that's not a very good position for Town.

To top it all off: I'm not reading Hado strongly as mafia, so the way I see this situation is as follows:

Absolute best case: 1 mafia for 3 town.
Worst and likely case: 0 mafia for 4 town.

The Hado vote is 100% what the mafia wants at this point. There's no way it gets THIS much traction at the very start of Day 2 when he's done a tonne of pro-town things so far - not when there's multiple people on the board playing completely anti-town.

 

[Sinny91]

The Hado vote is 100% what the mafia wants at this point. .

So see through, it's pathetic.

 

[Hadoblado]

lol turn wagon

Zing.

Don't bother with her RB. She has difficulty listening to reason even when she sober. She hasn't read since the beginning of day two, and she's plastered. She's just having a drunken crapshoot and if town is retarded enough to bandwagon that there was no winning anyway.

To the people who will actually listen:
If part of your suspicion of RB and I is that we're buddybuddy, I actually have legit confirmation that he's town. I can't speak for RB but it goes like this:

On day one, I gave RB an absolute fucking glowing recommendation. I basically said, if I die, and you then know I'm town, you can trust me when I say that RB is the townest among you. What does this mean to a scum RB? It means "all I have to do is NK hado, and not only will I be removing the most able and established town, I will then run everything from now on with the authority he's given me". A scum RB would have definitely killed me, because that would have won him the game immediately, and I would have never got time to respond.

Are you following me? You don't know that he's town, but you do know that assuming I'm town, I know he's town.

So it's not scumly of me to trust him 100%. That is not a legitimate reason. I know he's town, because I have information that you don't: that I'm town and that I would be dead if he wasn't.

You could argue that it's possible he wanted me to think that. To which I respond: ...yeah fuck off. RB isn't the 'tehe clever ruse' type. He's practically minded, and he knows there's no point in indirectly wielding my authority when he could wield it directly himself by killing me.

So unless there's a hole in my logic here, could you please go and cross off all the reasons for suspecting hadoscum that include 'because he trusts RB'. Town hado trusts RB too, and honestly, there's little reason for a scum to come across as trusting RB.

 

[Sinny91]

Are you following me?

No, purposely skip over 50% of it because you talk so much shit.

Low blow dude.. But I told you the tables would be turned.

 

[Happy]

So it's not scumly of me to trust him 100%. That is not a legitimate reason. I know he's town, because I have information that you don't: that I'm town and that I would be dead if he wasn't.

What exactly are you saying here?

 

[Hadoblado]

Can't actually remember posting that? Huh.

It's not low. This is all stuff I've said before outside of thread. You are highly resistant to reason. You have strong hunches and adhere to them over evidence and expert opinion. Re: all of your conspiracy stuff. Hell, the reason I read you as town is that you are just as suspicious of the establishment in game as you are out of it.

Your strategy for this game was: wait for someone to have authority -> fight the powa!

You haven't read most of what I've said. And you haven't given any reasoning to suspect me. But you do suspect me, because you have a pattern you cannot break. And I've known that from the start of the game. We were destined to clash, you and I. But I can't fight back, because I love you I think you're town.

And now you're in my way. I don't feel like coddling you, because I know that there was never anything I ever could have said to have you not come at me. So be angry, get mad, and maybe learn something about yourself once and for all when I flip green k?

 

[Sinny91]

Can't actually remember posting that? Huh.

It's not low. This is all stuff I've said before outside of thread. You are highly resistant to reason. You have strong hunches and adhere to them over evidence and expert opinion. Re: all of your conspiracy stuff.

"conspiracy stuff", like that means anything. Always with the none specifics... yet I'm the one beyond reason. pfft. That is why I set myself apart from.. you lot.

Hell, the reason I read you as town is that you are just as suspicious of the establishment in game as you are out of it.

That's an easy call. My 'conspiracy' hobby is constant quest for truth. I have constant integrity. Don't make me get all judgmental.

Your strategy for this game was: wait for someone to have authority -> fight the powa!

That wasn't the strategy from the get go. But it plays a part. You're acting like the method don't get results.

You haven't read most of what I've said.

So naive. Just because I said I didn't read it, doesn't mean I didn't.

And you haven't given any reasoning to suspect me.

What planet are you living on? Oh yea, 'protecting my own mafia ass planet', that planet.

But you do suspect me, because you have a pattern you cannot break. And I've known that from the start of the game. We were destined to clash, you and I.

How astute of you. Of course, you're mafia, I'm not. And unless you're bribing me with weed, we're not on the same team bro!

But I can't fight back, because I love you I think you're town.

I am Town. And you can't fight back because you have no defense.

And now you're in my way.

My favorite place to be!

I don't feel like coddling you, because I know that there was never anything I ever could have said to have you not come at me. So be angry, get mad, and maybe learn something about yourself once and for all when I flip green k?

Agh, I ain't mad.. I'm even.

 

[Hadoblado]

no my slashies...

@Happy
Good. You're listening.

I mean that, because I privy to information you are not (that I'm town), I'm able to infer that RB is town while you are not able to.

So I'll set it up as a hypothetical for you:
You're an experienced player who is town, in a game full of noobs. You know one of the noobs better than the others, and they have a knack for this kind of game. On day one, you get a strong read they're town. So much so that you would bet the entire game on them flipping green, for the advantage that uniting with that player offers. You declare as much, and say that if you die, your prodigal noob is to be assumed town and given a leadership role.

Now, in this hypothetical, that prodigal noob is so very prodigal that he has outwitted you on his first go. He's both been able to learn the rules AND manipulate them without ever giving a solid scum slip. Impressive. But then this same prodigal player decides that, even though you've said that he inherits your mantle in the case of your death, and such a mantle would be more than enough to secure scum victory, he opts to keep you alive! One moment he's a genius and the next moment he's a retard.

The first paragraph of the hypothetical is true for me. The second is highly improbably, but that's what it'd take for RB to be mafia. So RB is not mafia.

The premise to this conclusion is that I'm town, and you don't know that for certain, while I do. So unless you're confident I'm town, you cannot use this reasoning, but I can.

What I'm communicating to you is not that RB is town. I'm communicating that I know RB is town. So me trusting him is not suspicious. Because a town hado would trust RB.

 

[Hadoblado]

Keep getting even Sinny. For what? Your hurt pride?

Because this isn't even. I didn't try to kill you. I said you're predictable and tried to protect you. Dork.

MMmmm I really shouldn't be responding to this BS

Okay, this is me addressing it for the next day:

Guys, if you are suspicious of me, fine. If you wanna vote me, I'm not going to stop you ATM because if I get bogged down in this bullshit town will lose. But please stay your vote until the end of day two, regardless of who you vote for.

Why? Because the day phase ends as soon as the kill-vote lands. And while we are in a rush to make sure that there is a lynch every day, we don't actually want them to happen faster. The time we spend discussing a lynch benefits town. For example, if I were scum, and you forced me to defend myself a whole lot, you would have lots of evidence with which to find my scum friends. Who I talked to, who I didn't talk to, who did the legwork to get me hung (for town reads).

So lynching is good, but lynching and denying town the opportunity to generate evidence is bad. As you can see, even though I've been hammering the shit out of ESC, I refrained from going for a killing blow. In stark contrast to when I got Cheeseumpuffs killed, where I nagged everyone to jump on. I'm a lot more certain of my ESC read than I ever was of Cheeseum.

Landing the killing vote before the day is nearly over is a scummy move, and no competent town would do it unless they were a cop who didn't want to risk their investigated 100% mafia target wriggling out.

 

[Sinny91]

Keep getting even Sinny. For what? Your hurt pride?

Because this isn't even. I didn't try to kill you. I said you're predictable and tried to protect you. Dork.

MMmmm I really shouldn't be responding to this BS

Okay, this is me addressing it for the next day:

Guys, if you are suspicious of me, fine. If you wanna vote me, I'm not going to stop you ATM because if I get bogged down in this bullshit town will lose. But please stay your vote until the end of day two, regardless of who you vote for.

Why? Because the day phase ends as soon as the kill-vote lands. And while we are in a rush to make sure that there is a lynch every day, we don't actually want them to happen faster. The time we spend discussing a lynch benefits town. For example, if I were scum, and you forced me to defend myself a whole lot, you would have lots of evidence with which to find my scum friends. Who I talked to, who I didn't talk to, who did the legwork to get me hung (for town reads).

So lynching is good, but lynching and denying town the opportunity to generate evidence is bad. As you can see, even though I've been hammering the shit out of ESC, I refrained from going for a killing blow. In stark contrast to when I got Cheeseumpuffs killed, where I nagged everyone to jump on. I'm a lot more certain of my ESC read than I ever was of Cheeseum.

Landing the killing vote before the day is nearly over is a scummy move, and no competent town would do it unless they were a cop who didn't want to risk their investigated 100% mafia target wriggling out.

Accusing me off BS? I can smell the stench of yours from here.

Your attempts at getting an emotional response from me will fail. No hurt pride here. I think I'm bang on the money, and you're frantically trying to save your self... Whilst contradicting yourself a thousand times over.

And on the off chance you are Town, which I highly doubt, You suck. Boo. Bobbye.

 

[Hadoblado]

Sinny shoosh. You've had your say, now it's just a shit flinging match, which is pointless.