Vote redbaron
Why? There's a ton of reasons. It's mostly based on what I perceive to be slip-ups (but I recognise may be genuine errors). These slip-ups began early in the game. For instance, posting questions on game mechanics is generally a bad idea. Either this was carelessness or an attempt at misdirection.
Also worth noting that I've never played this game either at a party or on the internet, so it's possibly that I really have no idea what I'm talking about.
I don't believe this. It's a gut feeling more than anything, but I just don't buy it for a second.
Wait, how many mafia and how many townspeople are there?
Oh please. Why ask something like this and not just consult the rules? This is the moment redbaron made himself obvious to me. To me, it's basically saying "oh look at me, i don't know the rules, i clearly can't be mafia" when in reality, it's more likely that he knows exactly how many mafia there are because he's one of them.
Now, I'd like to address why I stated that I was not going to vote in the first round (actually, I wasn't sure and I changed my mind - then I just didn't make it to the forum in time). Like I've said before, I've played a shitload of IRL games of Werewolf (almost identical to Mafia, only the role titles are different). In my experience, I've found it best not to vote to lynch in the first round. However, I agree that getting conversation going is extremely important. Now, the reason I believe it best not to lynch round one is that there are a small number of villains who know each other's identity and therefore the alliance of each player; meanwhile the rest of the players are townies and only know their own role. This is a voting scenario that is rigged from the beginning. You can't just apply numbers to this and have it make sense. Hado, redbaron and probably others have tried to explain it with logic and numbers - I don't agree that it's that simple when there's so much bias. There's probably some simple way of working it out mathematically, but I'm no mathematician and I can't be fucked researching it. I barely have enough time to keep up with this monstrously complex thread...
Anyway, I shifted the conversation to not lynching on day 1 with the intent of finding out how other players felt about it, recognising that the ones that felt most strongly about it likely knew that it would be in the mafia's best interest to lynch a townie and defend their own on day one. This is what happened and we lost Helvete. There were some strong feelings against my proposal, which I find extremely suspicious. The strongest came from redbaron and hadoblado. However, I still have faith that hadoblado may be a townie. Redbaron on the other hand, has been adamant in saying that it would be absolutely ridiculous to suspect him of being mafia-aligned. Based on what? Based on absolutely nothing, that's what.
I'd like to quote every single instance that's made me distrust him, but I really don't have the time, I'm off to social events this evening and I'm already running 2 hours behind. I'll be checking this thread on my phone, but any replies will be brief. If anyone has further questions, fire away, but please keep them brief so I can quote them and reply on my phone. I urge you to re-read redbaron's posts and make your own decision.
N.B. It's nothing against redbaron - I don't trust any single one of you. I only trust him the least.
