wrong assumption

[bluesquid]

I thought INTP's were the serious type.

Take offense, I dont care. But you all are pentium chips running the new facebook app. Is this forum this unencumbered by responsibility?

I am so happy every fucking day that I wake up that I have god given ability. But thats not enough for me. I want it to matter.

Half of you live in anime world. The other half are depressed. WAKE UP!

This is life. IF, IF, I have anything in common with you, YOU are a mental giant living in the philosophical equivalent of a mobile home.


Im not sure if there has ever been a more important time in the history of this country, in which the talented stand up. No more WOW. NO more DnD. No more self indulgent self loathing or sorrow. In another country, you would have been killed for lack of purpose.


Come on!

Get active. Do something. Atlas didnt shrug. he wished for more weight.


YOU are something. Dont over analyze it. Get out there and be a force for good. Isnt that logical?

stop being a waste.

 

[Anthile]

Re: wrong asumption

Don't tell me what I have to do. Thank you.

 

[kantor1003]

Re: wrong asumption

Reg: You're right. We could sit around here all day talking, passing
resolution, making clever speaches, it's not going to shift one Roman
soldier.
Francis: So let's just stop gabbing on about it, it's completely pointless,
and it's getting us nowhere.
PFJ: Right.
Loretta: I agree. This is a complete waste of time.
--------[Judith runs in, paniced.]
Judith: They've arrested Brian!!
PFJ: What?
Judith: They've dragged him off. They're going to crucify him.
Reg: Right. This calls for immediate discussion.


YouTube- Life Of Brian PFJ meeting to take action

 

[Firehazard159]

Re: wrong asumption

Interesting outburst.


Looks familiar.

-_-

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

Re: wrong asumption

I am in the process of designing a new waste water treatment plant. However, this does not require much innovation apart from the minor efficiency increase. Reverse osmosis FTW!

Your probably reacting this way because most of the inhabitants of this forum are still in their teens. They can get away with begin depressed and watching cartoons. I wish I had devoted more of my teens to such things as WoW and mindless self indulgence.

I don't think an entire personality label should follow the same route in life as I. Most of my ongoings are directly related to my intellectual pursuits. I am already working within an engineering firm with one year left to go on my engineering degree. Along with my engineering degree I have decided to start an applied mathematics degree. My hobbies revolve around economics, politics, law science and the occasional orchestral.

Damn, I must be boring.

 

[Words]

I am extremely motivated and touched by your sentiments! ...no not really

 

[Reverse Transcriptase]

Recreation is required for proper relaxation, so we can be maximally productive & creative.

Depression is not a direct choice, it is something that needs to be worked through. You can't just wish it away, you have to work through the problems.


I think that playing video games & watching animes invariably lead to mini-existential crisises. Where you ask yourself "huh.... it's all over.... that anime show or computer game campaign... what was the point of all that? What did I accomplish? That world that I loved, the one that immersed me so, that dominated my thoughts even when I wasn't around it. What was the point of creating it? I can't bring it back to the real world. Or I can but... it does not have a real effect besides the psychological."

Now, granted, escapism & depression feed off of eachother. But I fully believe that everyone here has the tools to break out of it.

Maybe they need a kick in the butt. I hope this thread helped some of them! Maybe they need to figure out their life a little more before they can join the real world and feel inspired by it.

Whatever it is, I don't judge them. I was there once. They'll come to where I am.

The first 5 rules of life:

Rule One - You will receive a body.
Rule Two - You will be presented with lessons.
Rule Three - There are no mistakes, only lessons.
Rule Four - The lesson is repeated until learned.
Rule Five - Learning does not end.

 

[Struggling_Bee]

I thought INTP's were the serious type.

I thought life was a serious type.
Too bad it's not.

Yes, I may live in an anime world. You seen to see something fundamentally wrong with this. It makes me happy. It doesn't hurt other people. What more can someone ask out of life than happiness? I love stories. Other things tend to bore me. Thusly, I read stories.

And maybe I'm getting my myths confused, but didn't Atlas try to trick one of the heros into taking his weight from him, so that he wouldn't have to hold it?

Yes, I am something. I'm quite aware of that fact.

I don't consider myself a waste. I consider myself a person, just like any other. A person with different values than you, and lives her life accordingly. Maybe I think everyone that doesn't write a famous sci-fi book is a waste, am I going to go around yelling at everyone to write sci-fi?

-Then again, randomly yelling at people and imposing your values on others is always fun, as you seem to know already. =_=

 

[Deleted member 1424]

You can't herd cats, squid. If we're not hungry(ie internally motivated), we're not going to chase any mice. Let alone work as the foot soldiers for some vague purpose.

If the world wants to burn, then just let it.

(hah I'm in quite the cynical mood tonight.)

 

[Words]

Recreation is required for proper relaxation, so we can be maximally productive & creative.

Depression is not a direct choice, it is something that needs to be worked through. You can't just wish it away, you have to work through the problems.


I think that playing video games & watching animes invariably lead to mini-existential crisises. Where you ask yourself "huh.... it's all over.... that anime show or computer game campaign... what was the point of all that? What did I accomplish? That world that I loved, the one that immersed me so, that dominated my thoughts even when I wasn't around it. What was the point of creating it? I can't bring it back to the real world. Or I can but... it does not have a real effect besides the psychological."

Now, granted, escapism & depression feed off of eachother. But I fully believe that everyone here has the tools to break out of it.

Maybe they need a kick in the butt. I hope this thread helped some of them! Maybe they need to figure out their life a little more before they can join the real world and feel inspired by it.

Whatever it is, I don't judge them. I was there once. They'll come to where I am.

The first 5 rules of life:

I think the real problem is the availability of actions when boredom strikes. What to do? more importantly, How to do it? ..then of course there's the money problem. Staying at home has its financial positives.

 

[fullerene]

I think... you're too new to know this, maybe? But the median age of the forum members is probably ~17. I'm also nearly positive that I've seen entire threads--and fairly large ones--talking both about 1. how easy school is, and how well they do without trying too hard (definitely not everyone, but a large minority at the very least), and 2. how controlling/abusive their parents or people they live around are. If most peoples' only real responsibility is school, and nobody goes to their school, why would they talk about it here? If people grew up being criticized or are constantly pressured to do one thing or another, they're going to instinctively avoid any further responsibility, because they mostly just want to be left alone. Life doesn't happen in a vacuum.

Also: I'm not sure how you can learn so much about people from their conversations here. If you go out into the "working" world, at least in school, you will find 90% of conversations are people talking about other people. I just point this out to say: someone's responsibilities usually don't have any impact on the things they talk about.

I would also argue you tooth and nail that "doing 'something'" is not better than doing nothing, though, and it's very oftentimes worse. Seeing people believe that work gives self-worth is one of the things I personally find makes me most sad. If I went to elaborate it would turn into one of my giant posts, though, so I'll just leave it at: 1. I think you're criticizing from conversations that you misjudge, and 2. Even if you weren't, I would refuse to do any more than it takes to keep myself housed and fed.

 

[Reverse Transcriptase]

I think the real problem is the availability of actions when boredom strikes. What to do? more importantly, How to do it? ..then of course there's the money problem. Staying at home has its financial positives.

I didn't say that people can't stay at home to avoid depression & anime. By all means, go for it!

Crypt crypt crypt.....

I dunno. On some level I agree with you. I mean, there are a lot of people pushing us INTPs around to do things we don't want to do.

But like... there are things that I want to do that I haven't gotten around to, because I've indulged in depression, tv shows and videogames. Maybe I wanted to do those things, but I didn't build anything! Or add value to anything! It's a nice existence, but it's hollow.

There was another thread around here talking about 3 kinds of happiness.
1. Short-term happiness (a nice relaxing day with little responsibilities)
2. Extreme moments of joy (getting married, learning you got a job, first kiss, seeing your child born, etc.) You can remember these for a long time and be happy about them.
3. Satisfaction from accomplishments. As in, you've worked your ass off and look at all that stuff you did behind you! It feels so good to have done it, to have created this thing. This is something you can be proud about for all your life. (I'm proud I graduated college, I'm proud I got so many good AP scores. I'm proud my college research project got 3rd place out of 23.)

When your life is empty of accomplishments, you will feel worthless and are more likely to think "what's the point?". And if you've never accomplished something, you might not know it can be done..... thus leading to more running away & escapism. And more depression for being a lazy slob.

(Oh god I hope I don't trigger a crazy long post from cryptonia....)

 

[Struggling_Bee]

I didn't say that people can't stay at home to avoid depression & anime. By all means, go for it!

Crypt crypt crypt.....

I dunno. On some level I agree with you. I mean, there are a lot of people pushing us INTPs around to do things we don't want to do.

But like... there are things that I want to do that I haven't gotten around to, because I've indulged in depression, tv shows and videogames. Maybe I wanted to do those things, but I didn't build anything! Or add value to anything! It's a nice existence, but it's hollow.

There was another thread around here talking about 3 kinds of happiness.
1. Short-term happiness (a nice relaxing day with little responsibilities)
2. Extreme moments of joy (getting married, learning you got a job, first kiss, seeing your child born, etc.) You can remember these for a long time and be happy about them.
3. Satisfaction from accomplishments. As in, you've worked your ass off and look at all that stuff you did behind you! It feels so good to have done it, to have created this thing. This is something you can be proud about for all your life. (I'm proud I graduated college, I'm proud I got so many good AP scores. I'm proud my college research project got 3rd place out of 23.)

When your life is empty of accomplishments, you will feel worthless and are more likely to think "what's the point?". And if you've never accomplished something, you might not know it can be done..... thus leading to more running away & escapism. And more depression for being a lazy slob.

(Oh god I hope I don't trigger a crazy long post from cryptonia....)

You said that you might feel worthless when your life is empty of accomplishments, but what about when it's full of empty accomplishments?

You can work away all day, strive towards a goal. What happens when you get there and you realize "This doesn't actually matter to me,"? I've wondered about that. I used to say I liked writing. I wasn't sure. I've stopped writing, started again, tried to see if I actually enjoyed it or if I just said I did. What if I never questioned it, then woke up twenty years from now and realized that I never liked it in the first place?

Accomplishments are only useful if they mean something to you. If they don't, you can't change the fact. Short-term happiness is still happiness, you used that time for happiness. What happens when you realized that the goal that you thought would make you happy, doesn't?

 

[fullerene]

(Oh god I hope I don't trigger a crazy long post from cryptonia....)

lol... not at 6AM when I should be sleeping in preparation for my 12-hours of class that begin in two hours (oh, the irony of pointing out how hard I to work on tuesday/thursday in a thread like this ). Well... there're like 3-4 hours of break scattered between those classes, but that's basically just for meals and maybe a quick nap.

That would make sense, though, because on one level I agree with you, too, haha. Mostly because I waste virtually every break I have playing some video game or another, and I absolutely hate them. I've tried to do things to get myself away from a computer/technology over the summer so I could do things I consider important, but my parents put their foot down and said it was "too dangerous." Fuck, I'm still mad about that. So instead I wallowed away at home for the summer, wasting away slowly.

Bee probably summed up about 60% of what I would have said in that short post in a very concise way, though, so that's a great start. The types of "accomplishments" that I would almost bet money Squid had in mind, with the OP, simply do not mean anything to me. If people still want to hear the remainder of my rant later on today/tonight, though, then I'll go at it.

 

[Adymus]

When are you going to come to terms with the fact that you are an INFJ?

It's like you can see it as clear as day, you wouldn't have made this thread if you didn't notice you were not like us. Yet you still carry on with this idea that you are this "evolved" model of an INTP.

 

[fullerene]

hehe I was actually thinking "he sounds a lot like an I(/maybe E)STP kid I knew." Part of that was colored by his intro, tho, where he said he was some kind of xxTP.

I'm not about to argue with you over someone's functions/typing, though. Not after that ENFJ relationship thread

 

[Adymus]

hehe I was actually thinking "he sounds a lot like an I(/maybe E)STP kid I knew." Part of that was colored by his intro, tho, where he said he was some kind of xxTP.

I'm not about to argue with you over someone's functions/typing, though. Not after that ENFJ relationship thread

heheheh, well, this is more of an on-going joke than it is me being serious.

But in all honesty, if we were to put money on this, my money would still be on INFJ. Even in this thread, his whole thing about getting out raged about something and fighting for a cause, it's sooooo Ni-Fe.

 

[Words]

heheheh, well, this is more of an on-going joke than it is me being serious.

But in all honesty, if we were to put money on this, my money would still be on INFJ. Even in this thread, his whole thing about getting out raged about something and fighting for a cause, it's sooooo Ni-Fe.

I vote INTP for him. I've also had that same line of thought.. I vote something- "J"(strong hurried assumption) for you though.

 

[Adymus]

I vote INTP for him. I've also had that same line of thought.. I vote something- "J"(hurried assumption) for you though.

Awww, thanks!

 

[BigApplePi]

I thought INTP's were the serious type.

Take offense, I dont care. But you all are pentium chips running the new facebook app. Is this forum this unencumbered by responsibility?

I am so happy every fucking day that I wake up that I have god given ability. But thats not enough for me. I want it to matter.

Half of you live in anime world. The other half are depressed. WAKE UP!

This is life. IF, IF, I have anything in common with you, YOU are a mental giant living in the philosophical equivalent of a mobile home.


Im not sure if there has ever been a more important time in the history of this country, in which the talented stand up. No more WOW. NO more DnD. No more self indulgent self loathing or sorrow. In another country, you would have been killed for lack of purpose.


Come on!

Get active. Do something. Atlas didnt shrug. he wished for more weight.


YOU are something. Dont over analyze it. Get out there and be a force for good. Isnt that logical?

stop being a waste.

If anyone's to do anything, why do it unless it embraces some fulfilling accomplishment? The results must feel right. Fools rush in so someone's got to think this over. If not me, then why not you?

 

[warryer]

I doubt that many people here have come to that realization Squid. I am willing to bet that you went through some sort of "wake-up call" experience in your life? Most likely a traumatic event?

This is how I came to the realization that the possibilities are infinite, what truly matters,etc... My modes of thinking in the past were torn asunder and I am still fighting to get back to some sort of "normalcy" but, I wouldn't trade it for anything.

It's the unknown that gets to me the most but, I suppose that's the battle. The goal is to never give up because when that happens you may as well end yourself. Stagnation is death but, death also sets us free (holy metaphor batman).

I describe it as unleashing myself on the world. It's hard to justify though because I know its not fair.

What makes you say that this is an important time in this country to stand up? I don't pay much attention to the outside world as I should

 

[Kuu]

A force of good? What is good anyway? Why should I take on responsibility in the name of this so called good? I think I'll just do what I please while it pleases me.



*looks around*

And it seems I haven't been killed yet.

*shrugs*

 

[Reverse Transcriptase]

Damn you cryptonia, we'll come to an agreement yet......

I think that this picture is 100% relevant:

In the sense of choosing your accomplishments. I am definitely not following fashion, watching much TV, acting normal or obeying the law.

I dunno. I'm not saying that everyone should buy into what society is a good accomplishment. And I encourage you to have passion in your job only because I hope that you get a job that you really love working at. ("If you get a job you love, you'll never work another day of your life.")

I'm going to Burning Man this year. I'm trying to figure out what I want to bring, what I want to contribute. Yeah, maybe I should just contribute myself and try not to get pwned. But I want to bring something interesting for people anyway! I want to be a contributor!

Trying the Straight things that society tells us to do.... (see picture)... I think they're worth trying. I actually like having a job (or at least I tell myself that). I feel satisfied every time I get off work. It keeps my mind busy with mental problems a lot of the day.

And for anything, don't knock it until you've tried it.

So you're right, you should have (some) happiness while working towards your accomplishment.

...(but I also think that INTPs often don't look at their happiness-thermometer, we just ignore it while we're thinking about a problem. So if we're going to ignore the happiness a lot anyway........ why not do something we will love the end-result of?"

Useful reminder:
SPs play during play and play at work.
SJs play during play and work at work.
NTs work during play and work at work.
and the NFs like to watch all the people working & playing.

(My vote is that bluesquid is INTP. If e's INFJ, you'll have to claim that I am too!)

 

[shoeless]

i absolutely one-hundred-percent agree with the sentiments expressed by the OP. mainly because i've witnessed the mind-numbing, life-wasting-away existence of my INTP brother, and i want to be as different from him as i possibly can (while still maintaining that i'm an INTP, i mean, obviously).

frankly, i want my life to mean something. and i want it to mean something in conjunction with my own happiness. i'd love to be like, i dunno, a famous writer people study in their AP literature classes, or some sort of revolutionary, you know, someone who made a change and made a difference and left a mark on the world. maybe i'm just being idealistic, but that sounds so... appealing to me.

at the same time, i don't really feel the need to be in a history book. it would just be nice.

but i do want something to change, because of me. even if it's one person's life. i want to know that i matter. i want to be some kind of role-model, for somebody.

i'm only sixteen, i mean, i've got time to do that. but i struggle with motivation issues as much as the next NTP. so, it's threads like this that help me remember exactly what i need to do. i need to kick my own ass until i actually accomplish things. then, i'll be happy.


sorry, at this point i'm sort of rambling. anyway, i appreciate your post, squid. that's all i really needed to say.

 

[bluesquid]

Perfect example. Questioning whether im an INTP or not.

As for being a INTJ, I actually puked in my mouth a little. I think im right about things that matter, not which shoes go best with what belt. But because I have developed my E to almost even with I, and I have a great memory, I know what GQ says on the subject. And every girlfriends opinion I have ever
unfortunately
had to hear.


The tick is happy on the dogs ass until the master buys medicated shampoo. But The dogs head doesnt really get washed thoroughly. I vote for moving to the head. At least I have a shot there.

 

[Trebuchet]

What exactly is wrong with D&D? I'll defend RPGs any time, any place. Bring it.

 

[Lockness]

I'm very new to this forum so what I have to say doesn't have as much authority as others who've been around more,but I found this interesting....so keeping in mind that I haven't been around long and only learned about my INTPism very recently....

Your comments on the escapism and depression found here seems to ignore a couple of important dimensions of what's really going on. People who feel like they need to escape have usually been hurt/shuned left out/ treated like garbage. Otherwise the need to escape wouldn't be present in the first place. This parred with introversion....lack of social instincts..This would explain much of the depression (especially in teens as other have pointed out)

The underachiever often has real problems that you don't see on the surface. They need real support and real inspiration.

On anime/ video games/fantasy type stuff:
I personally have little to no interest in most of these anymore, but I can see what purpose they served. My need to keep my imagination/intellect challenged and engaged (I begin to feel very cynical if this doesn't happen)found this in the complex and imaginative landscape that comic books/graphic novels/video games provided. Of course these eventually got old....but they grew into my interests in...

--art and design
(from drawing characters and the design involved in story telling/presentation of graphic novels),
--philosophy--theology
(From the big ideas and concepts that are either discussed or serve as the back drop for many of these stories/games)
--science--paleontology--astronomy--cosmology--environmental issues
(no explanation required.......sci-fi)
--ethical--social and political issues
(hero vs villain/ right vs wrong/ good vs evil/ and the nature of these are major themes involved in these narratives)

The kids (and adults) who spend the most time dreaming about myths and fantasies are often the one who if given encouragement and/or time can do amazing things.

Personally it has taken me two decades of my life, to even figure out that I actually do have something to offer others. Mental giants are often looked down upon(heh...a giant being looked down upon...get it) and actually told how stupid/arrogant/wierd/freakish they are. With this kind of feedback from others it's not surprising that some of the brightest/most unique and creative people I've met have felt like pathetic, useless, outsiders with nothing to contribute. It's taken some of them longer(like me) to figure this out and heal than it has others.

I guess my main point is; people are at different points in their development and self understanding. It also takes some of us longer to "connect the dots" from our personalities/passions to something meaningful and fulfilling.

Strange but I actually do feel slightly more motivated after writing this......Hmmm.....anyway.... there's my two cents.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

Fuck life and it's illusions of meanings. Do what you want and die like everyone else. Who cares what the history books might say about you if you're too dead to read them. I spit in the face of the idea there is meaning.

 

[Dormouse]

frankly, i want my life to mean something. and i want it to mean something in conjunction with my own happiness. i'd love to be like, i dunno, a famous writer people study in their AP literature classes, or some sort of revolutionary, you know, someone who made a change and made a difference and left a mark on the world. maybe i'm just being idealistic, but that sounds so... appealing to me.

You're just idealistic.

Meh, I wanted that, then I realized it was a) Impossible and b) Inherently pointless.

If I succeed, it'll be on my own terms and definetly not in some attempt to instill meaning in my life.

Oh, and about the INTP vs. INFJ thing... From this thread alone I'd vote INFJ, but I haven't heard enough of you elsewhere to have a valid opinion.
And you would know yourself better than anybody here.

 

[bluesquid]

Fuck life and it's illusions of meanings. Do what you want and die like everyone else. Who cares what the history books might say about you if you're too dead to read them. I spit in the face of the idea there is meaning.

your avatar made this statement unnecessary.

I find it sad and ironic that a people with a love for systems can take the degradation of the US system so lightly.

I have a re occuring dream that motivates me.

Im running from something hidden through a snow covered field. I tire. I sit down. I die.

YouTube- Cypress hill - Aint goin out like that

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

I find it sad and ironic that a people with a love for systems can take the degradation of the US system so lightly.

US system?

 

[bluesquid]

You're just idealistic.

Meh, I wanted that, then I realized it was a) Impossible and b) Inherently pointless.

If I succeed, it'll be on my own terms and definetly not in some attempt to instill meaning in my life.

Oh, and about the INTP vs. INFJ thing... From this thread alone I'd vote INFJ, but I haven't heard enough of you elsewhere to have a valid opinion.
And you would know yourself better than anybody here.

What intelligent person once recognizing weakness in themselves, stagnates?

I could have been the greatest INTP that ever lived. Trust me. But I want to have an effortless conversation with a stranger, and have them enjoy it.

An INTP is like a treasure chest on the bottom of the ocean. Of no use to anyone. Not even themselves.

I see many talk of the endless search for competency or happiness. Of a desire to stop going from one acquired skill to the next. So put the world on your back.

This world needs YOU. Needs YOU to develop skills that might be difficult to acquire. This world needs you to somehow get your treasure off the friggin sea floor. To be the immense help you can be.

Its my mission to get all of you out of this foolish INTP pride. I know how warm that rationalization is. "Im different and special and thats good. They dont know what they are missing. Im above them, they are so stupid".

You are better. But what value does it have in a vacuum?

 

[Dormouse]

I'm not better. I'm an ordinary person. Having a superiority complex will only set me up for failure and lead to depression once reality becomes apparent.

 

[Kuu]

More thoughts, perhaps already voiced by others, but still I shall write them because it really bugged me:

You say meaning as if it was something objective. You may find meaning in your life doing those things you so vehemently urge us to do. Has it occurred to you that perhaps we don't find those things meaningful? Is it so damned unthinkable?

You seem to demand meaning that has some sort of external origin. This is the kind of condescending crap I've been forced to listen all my life: do this, do that, this is important, that's meaningless, you must seek happiness. Why can't our lives be meaningful in a way we choose? Why must it be your way?

It's really distasteful to impose your beliefs on others. It disappoints me when people talk down to other's lifestyles as if they were some sort of disease that must be cured. Live and let live man.

 

[shoeless]

...you know, i've always taken an individualistic approach to life and philosophy. if you asked me what the meaning of life is, i'd probably say "to find happiness", and then i'd say, whatever that may be.

i understand where everyone is coming from in this thread. i think that's making me side with the OP right now is my own insecurities and desires, my own want or need for "meaning", my own struggles.

it is unfair to project your beliefs onto everyone else, at least in the condemning manner that you have. even if i agree with it, i'd word it more diplomatically. more encouraging rather than "get off your sorry ass and do something"-ish.

if, for no other reason, than if somebody does read this, identify with it, bringing out their insecurities and thus retreat further... that's counter-productive.

some people need a smack upside the head, sure, but some people need a hug. i'm gonna honestly wager a lot of people here are gonna prefer the latter.

 

[Fukyo]

You seem to demand meaning that has some sort of external origin. This is the kind of condescending crap I've been forced to listen all my life: do this, do that, this is important, that's meaningless, you must seek happiness. Why can't our lives be meaningful in a way we choose? Why must it be your way?

It's really distasteful to impose your beliefs on others. It disappoints me when people talk down to other's lifestyles as if they were some sort of disease that must be cured. Live and let live man.

Quoted For Truth.

Didn't we do this before, though? >.>

 

[Trebuchet]

An INTP is like a treasure chest on the bottom of the ocean. Of no use to anyone. Not even themselves.

Whoa. Harsh. I think that is the most negative single thing I have ever seen on this forum. One of the most incorrect, too.

It isn't any of my business how old anyone is, but as I've said in other posts, I have observed that INTxs struggle with life early on, and actually find real meaning, happiness, and competence when they hit their mid-thirties.

I'd say instead that an INTP is a rare gem, and it takes a lot of long, hard years to polish them, but they turn out magnificent.

 

[bananaphallus]

"The world needs ditchdiggers too!"

- Judge Smails

I'd probably take what you're saying a bit more seriously if you provided detailed, easy-to-follow instructions as opposed to throwing around all these highfalutin (but oddly intriguing) vagaries. You've, to your knowledge, identified a problem, but haven't exactly proposed a genuine solution (sure I may have made some choices which contributed to/predisposed my/me to depression, but I don't enjoy being depressed and if it was entirely up to me, my decision, I'd choose not to be). It's similar to when they ask these world leader types what the 'answer' is to our world's problems, and they respond with some ultimately nonsensical and confounding quasi-maxim, e.g., 'love and understanding'...doesn't really mean anything, nor does it help/solve anyone's problems.

 

[Kuu]

Quoted For Truth.

Didn't we do this before, though? >.>

History repeats itself m'dear (thus derailment is imminent). Hopefully last night will repeat itself too. I'll whisper Science theories in your ear if you ask nicely.

 

[Anthile]

XIII - now available in pocket size.

 

[Cavallier]

I'm not sure how you can learn so much about people from their conversations here.

Thank you. These were my thoughts exactly.

I have read and re-read your post squid and I've decided that you are incredibly judgmental. Then I saw IB's avatar (and your reaction to it) and remembered my own personal rule about arguments:

When wrestling with swine you quickly realize that while you are getting tired and dirty the pig is enjoying himself immensely.

There is no point in arguing with you because I'm content with where my life is and where it is going. I don't need your approval. In fact I don't think anybody needs your approval and that's why you are here whining instead of being out in the world doing whatever it is you think we should be doing.

 

[Polaris]

I would like to add that this forum is also an outlet for all those "useless" and "young" people (they should not be disregarded simply because of their age, this judgement is like a form of discrimination). Young people are just old people grappling with the "reality" that is imposed upon them from birth. I believe we are born complete, and then slowly become polished away until there is nothing left but this "grown-up" that is the commonly accepted version of a human being. Who says that is the correct version?

If I had access to something like this forum when I was "young", I would perhaps not have felt so lonely. This place gives people hope. Give people a break, especially the "young". Let them be the shiny gems they already are.

 

[Darby]

Ok, now that I have become hopelessly tired of reading the same things over and over again, I will make my point.

I agree that purpose is important, however, I do not think it is the holy grail of existence.

I believe that I would be considered "intelligent" or "smart" but that just means I have a different skill set from other people.

I personally have been looking for a purpose, and have yet to find one, I feel that in some way it means there is something wrong with me, but ultimately all I can try and do is find something I do have an interest in.

I am currently involved in a few local school and county government organizations, but none are giving me the sense of purpose I am looking for. I am positive there are other people better suited to this kind of work.

You (squid) said that when someone finds a flaw in themselves they can't just sit there and live with it, and your right, I can't, there are things about myself I work on everyday. You generalize everyone here on the forum, and I am insulted, I do enjoy anime from time to time, yes, I enjoy RPG's, I also enjoy talking about relatively pointless issues that I don't believe make a difference. But I don't see anything wrong with that.

Also, to say that devoting yourself to something entirely is the most important thing one can do:

“The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry”

~Richard Dawkins

All we are trying to say is that we like to take a look at all the options before making a stupid decision, I am hoping it is possible to look at a good long list of possibilities and still have a chance to find something important for me to do.

 

[The Frood]

In response to the OP:

"I thought INTP's were the serious type"

How many people from this forum do you know in RL? People are rarely serious all the time, I bet that most of the INTP's on here (well, me at least) are very serious people In real life, but the internet,(and especially this forum) allows a safety valve for us to let ourselves out.
On top of that many on this forum are very serious.

"Im not sure if there has ever been a more important time in the history of this country, in which the talented stand up. No more WOW. NO more DnD. No more self indulgent self loathing or sorrow. In another country, you would have been killed for lack of purpose."

Well, for starters standing up doesn't DO squat for this country. How do you plan on fixing the system? The people who are in charge are gaining from the system as it is now. Why would they change it?

Also, you assume that the people here are from the US (which many are not.)
In quite a few other countries you would be shot for inciting rebellion.

Half of you live in anime world. The other half are depressed. WAKE UP!

you over-generalize.

Get active. Do something.

How do you know we aren't? What are you asking for? I for one am consumed in several "wholesome" hobbies At the moment. I am "active". I am sure others here can say the same.

Atlas didnt shrug. he wished for more weight.

Did Atlas say that? What man (or titan for that matter) when weighed down by the weight of the heavens would ask for more? After all, atlas tried to get Hercules to trade places with him. Doesn't seem like he was begging for more.

YOU are something. Dont over analyze it. Get out there and be a force for good. Isnt that logical?
stop being a waste.

Why would you call us "wastes" for what we say on an online forum, which by it's very nature is somewhat silly.
Btw, over-analyzing is what we do.



So mr. "active" what exactly do You do that edifies the world around us eh?

 

[Chronomar]

Take offense, I don’t care. But you all are pentium chips running the new facebook app. Is this forum this unencumbered by responsibility?

I am so happy every fucking day that I wake up that I have god given ability. But that’s not enough for me. I want it to matter.

Half of you live in anime world. The other half are depressed. WAKE UP!

This is life. IF, IF, I have anything in common with you, YOU are a mental giant living in the philosophical equivalent of a mobile home.


I’m not sure if there has ever been a more important time in the history of this country, in which the talented stand up. No more WOW. NO more DnD. No more self indulgent self loathing or sorrow. In another country, you would have been killed for lack of purpose.


Come on!

Get active. Do something. Atlas didn’t shrug. he wished for more weight.


YOU are something. Don’t over analyze it. Get out there and be a force for good. Isn’t that logical?

stop being a waste.

Well...I think that I am working toward a goal that will benefit others and myself and discover more of whatever truth may exist...so I hope I'm living up to my goals.

However, I find a disturbing pattern in my actions: my plans are always way better than what I actually accomplish. Luckily, I have disengaged myself from most unproductive distractions...except this forum, obscure books (hey: they might help someday!), and art. And, you know, I don't really consider art "unproductive" or a "distraction" anyway. It is sort of like sleeps and dreams: the brain needs them.

Of course, also like sleep, too much is a problem too. So, recently I've begun to put time limits on all that I do in an attempt to accomplish things. This will probably end in about 3 weeks, followed by a 1 week period of completely ignoring my old rules..then realizing that it's hurting myself and my goals, so switching back to the time thing. It doesn't work even more than 60% of the time, though. I suppose if it did, I'd be an INTJ.

But yeah. I actually find whatever depression or sadness I have melts away after I do some work in something I like. Actually, it can even be something I dislike. Just the refreshing experience of finally doing something makes me feel better...unfortunately, procrastination happens. All the time.

Recreation is required for proper relaxation, so we can be maximally productive & creative.

Depression is not a direct choice, it is something that needs to be worked through. You can't just wish it away, you have to work through the problems.

Yes...'tis true.

I still play games, obsessively watch certain shows sometimes, and become immersed in a "fictional world"...but I have learned to moderate it so that I still get the enjoyment without as much of the negative productivity and negative psyche effects.

 

[Vrecknidj]

I work 70+ hour weeks. Someone else can save the world. I'll work on keeping my wife and kids safe and able to function. So, I carry four people through the blizzard. I think that's enough. Anyone saying otherwise can walk a mile in my shoes and then pass judgment.

:-)

Dave

 

[Mello]

Madman, you do not talk shit about me! I shall have to stab you, in a gentleman matter. Allow me to massage my butter knife into your pelvis.

 

[Weliddryn]

Defensive... so many are defensive.

To be perfectly honest, if I were to of come here a few years earlier I may have posted something similar to what Squid has and I wonder if Squid's world view, thoroughly influenced by those around him, the SJ's etc., has made hir feel threatened by those seemingly inane, inactive, or wallowing in self misery (*Listens to Garbage; I'm only happy when it rains*) perhaps because s/he can see in hirself how easily they could become one of us (various defense mechanisms sheilding self perception from this internal image or fear).

Passion, maybe? Watching the world fall apart and being helpless to stop it, only wishing others cared enough to do something about it?

You stated, apparently, that you allowed for yourself to change, to become more extroverted so as to contribute more and overcome some boundaries you felt constrained you (are you certain these were boundaries you saw in yourself and not views others have placed on you?) and perhaps you see yourself in these forum goers (or think you do) and fear you may revert?

This forum allows for many to rebel in ways they are told by the MBTI typeology INTP profile they have an inclinatino to be- it is probably one of the only place that /nurtures/ this type of rebellion and perhaps the consequences are more extreme than many would be willing to admit but there really is no 'right' way to live your life.

Detach, perhaps, for a bit and open up to the possibility that the type of growth and nurturement this forum provides will not destroy you or the country? Accept another way of being and understand from a method of experience to see the pro's and con's of this way of being? You may demand reciprocation, perhaps, that the members here ought to become more to your liking but your stand is one that many here are familiar with and feel is shoved down their throat constantly, so it is not equivoval I do not think.

*shrug* Every mindset has flaws but they have their uses too. Age consideration is important, as well, of course. Lack of experience?

'course, I'm simply posting whatever comes to mind atm and if this is incoherent you have my apologies. Also, if it is quite inaccurate.

 

[ktp]

If I were a dictator, I would be an benevolent one, the first in history!

 

[bluesquid]

Defensive... so many are defensive.

To be perfectly honest, if I were to of come here a few years earlier I may have posted something similar to what Squid has and I wonder if Squid's world view, thoroughly influenced by those around him, the SJ's etc., has made hir feel threatened by those seemingly inane, inactive, or wallowing in self misery (*Listens to Garbage; I'm only happy when it rains*) perhaps because s/he can see in hirself how easily they could become one of us (various defense mechanisms sheilding self perception from this internal image or fear).

Passion, maybe? Watching the world fall apart and being helpless to stop it, only wishing others cared enough to do something about it?

You stated, apparently, that you allowed for yourself to change, to become more extroverted so as to contribute more and overcome some boundaries you felt constrained you (are you certain these were boundaries you saw in yourself and not views others have placed on you?) and perhaps you see yourself in these forum goers (or think you do) and fear you may revert?

This forum allows for many to rebel in ways they are told by the MBTI typeology INTP profile they have an inclinatino to be- it is probably one of the only place that /nurtures/ this type of rebellion and perhaps the consequences are more extreme than many would be willing to admit but there really is no 'right' way to live your life.

Detach, perhaps, for a bit and open up to the possibility that the type of growth and nurturement this forum provides will not destroy you or the country? Accept another way of being and understand from a method of experience to see the pro's and con's of this way of being? You may demand reciprocation, perhaps, that the members here ought to become more to your liking but your stand is one that many here are familiar with and feel is shoved down their throat constantly, so it is not equivoval I do not think.

*shrug* Every mindset has flaws but they have their uses too. Age consideration is important, as well, of course. Lack of experience?

'course, I'm simply posting whatever comes to mind atm and if this is incoherent you have my apologies. Also, if it is quite inaccurate.

Excellent post

Im not afraid of reverting. I want to simply detract from the general levity of this forum. My worldview isnt something naive and sheltered, it has been educated by countless hours of study. There are many difficulties on the horizon for this country, I want as many INTPS as possible to be prepared.

Age is a huge factor. Why i want to start them young. If I had me when I was young, giving advice, it would have been alot less painful. Someone stated that an INTP can be polished into a gem. YES, that is my entire point.


There are traps in this world. Im sorry to alienate a previous poster, but having to work 70 hours to support a breeders lifestyle isnt exactly family planning. Over population is kinda a problem. There are many other traps. A career can be a trap. Money, sex, cars. There are many impediments to true growth. Every human makes choices

And I can be harsh and short sometimes. Im sorry.

Have to run, GOOD CHAT!