wrong assumption

[transformers]

Atlas didnt shrug. he wished for more weight.

Atlas tried to unload his weight to Hercules, during one of Herc's 12 labors. He was lazy too :P

In response to the rest of your message: Nothing we haven't heard before, dude.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

Why state what I do. It wont hold a candle to fighting for gay rights. For the sake of privacy, im not going to get specific.

But seriously? Who is the most prominent homosexual advocate, and the most prominent civil rights activist? based on sheer numbers involved there is a huge difference. gays have always been afforded the same basic rights. Blacks not. If you cant see the difference IB? wow.

What country do you live in? In sure ain't the one you act like an expert in?

Just wondering, instead of pontificating about stuff you obviously know nothing about, did it ever occur to you to ask?

 

[bluesquid]

What country do you live in? In sure ain't the one you act like an expert in?

Just wondering, instead of pontificating about stuff you obviously know nothing about, did it ever occur to you to ask?

Nothing of substance here.

go on with your meaningless lives. Im not a troll, yet I know, that your rationalizations and assertations are droll. I wont fight, much to my consternation.


you dont want it, I wont offer it.

Mod, is it appropriate to ask to lock a thread?

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

Why not just ask to delete it altogether? Since it's obviously been such a waste all around and all....Hell, any and all threads in the fun sub-forum have turned out to be more substantive. At least when folks there are being obstinate it is for laughs instead of this horseshit.

 

[dbtng_thomas]

Im not a troll

- dt

 

[shoeless]

...you won't say what you do to benefit mankind... for... "the sake of privacy"?


really?




woooooow. okay.

 

[Firehazard159]

She does, however, appreciate bluesquid's intent. She also dislikes seeing him ganged up on and ridiculed for daring to suggest that the norm might be... imperfect.

I disagree with the intent and the suggestion, as it is entirely presumptuous that (s)he knows exactly what we all do *outside* of the forums. They don't know what the "norm" is, because they only see a small part of the story.

It's like watching someone eat, and assuming you know everything about their lifestyle by that one simple event, and then thrashing them verbally in an attempt to change them in all aspects of their life.

(I'm referring to the original post, as I haven't followed the thread due to it's pure ridiculousness in nature. If the theme has changed or evolved since the original post, then ignore this :P [possibly. unless it's still accurate XD])

 

[Trebuchet]

But seriously? Who is the most prominent homosexual advocate, and the most prominent civil rights activist? based on sheer numbers involved there is a huge difference. gays have always been afforded the same basic rights. Blacks not. If you cant see the difference IB? wow.

The most prominent historical advocate for civil rights is maybe Nelson Mandela, but Martin Luther King, Jr., Harriet Tubman, King John Sigismund, Susan B. Anthony, and countless others have dedicated their lives to that cause.

The most prominent gay rights activist, historically, is perhaps Harvey Milk, partly because of the recent movie about him. Daniel Choi is a fearless advocate, and there are many others.

I don't see what prominence has to do with anything.

Just because you have not learned about systematic oppression of gays does not mean it has never happened, or that it is not happening now. In the US, there are 1049 federal rights and benefits that come with marriage, that are not granted to any gay couple here, even if they are married. Yes, others have it worse. After all, there are countries right now where being gay carries the death penalty.

That the United States ever practiced slavery was shameful, an atrocity. But if someone needs help, I don't turn away, saying that someone else has it worse. I help the person in front of me. I don't understand your argument that gay rights don't matter because other groups have or had it worse.

 

[bluesquid]

The most prominent historical advocate for civil rights is maybe Nelson Mandela, but Martin Luther King, Jr., Harriet Tubman, King John Sigismund, Susan B. Anthony, and countless others have dedicated their lives to that cause.

The most prominent gay rights activist, historically, is perhaps Harvey Milk, partly because of the recent movie about him. Daniel Choi is a fearless advocate, and there are many others.

I don't see what prominence has to do with anything.

Just because you have not learned about systematic oppression of gays does not mean it has never happened, or that it is not happening now. In the US, there are 1049 federal rights and benefits that come with marriage, that are not granted to any gay couple here, even if they are married. Yes, others have it worse. After all, there are countries right now where being gay carries the death penalty.

That the United States ever practiced slavery was shameful, an atrocity. But if someone needs help, I don't turn away, saying that someone else has it worse. I help the person in front of me. I don't understand your argument that gay rights don't matter because other groups have or had it worse.

so you agree, no comparison? Lets try to stay on topic this time.

as for the rest of you. Im not a troll, and a little pic doesn't prove it. In the OP I made a statement and it is obviously true. Also, your absolutely correct, I dont know what you do outside. How would I? But if the content of this forum is any indication or reflection Im worried. You feel at ease here, many of you have commented that your not social. That picture is crystal clear.

so what I see are people locked out of the world that come here to vent or indulge in conversations on pithy and abstract concepts well covered in other obscure forums and well known lit. You enjoy that. I get it. but what are you doing? strengthing a skill that is already strong enough. Why those RPG characters have one giant arm and one undeveloped one.

So basically I see many of you screaming for some relevance or self esteem. You dont get it out there, but instead of learning the requisite skills you come here and have written conversations with your demons. But at least that conversation was about something relevant.

I want to reach some of you. Show you that this cloistered lifestyle isnt healthy, nor is it doing anything for you. It is a difficult thing to do, but any of you could become devastatingly effective in the social world. Maybe not IB. jk

Hard times in our future. Imagine "you" in Haiti? Of what worth would you be? Could you effectively deal with the world, if you had too? If it was forced on you? Or would you quote poetry trying to dissuade a thief from taking your water? Of what value would your skills have in clearing rubble? You cant do it from a warm safe comfortable well stocked den.

 

[Mello]

so you agree, no comparison? Lets try to stay on topic this time.

as for the rest of you. Im not a troll, and a little pic doesn't prove it. In the OP I made a statement and it is obviously true. Also, your absolutely correct, I dont know what you do outside. How would I? But if the content of this forum is any indication or reflection Im worried. You feel at ease here, many of you have commented that your not social. That picture is crystal clear.

so what I see are people locked out of the world that come here to vent or indulge in conversations on pithy and abstract concepts well covered in other obscure forums and well known lit. You enjoy that. I get it. but what are you doing? strengthing a skill that is already strong enough. Why those RPG characters have one giant arm and one undeveloped one.

So basically I see many of you screaming for some relevance or self esteem. You dont get it out there, but instead of learning the requisite skills you come here and have written conversations with your demons. But at least that conversation was about something relevant.

I want to reach some of you. Show you that this cloistered lifestyle isnt healthy, nor is it doing anything for you. It is a difficult thing to do, but any of you could become devastatingly effective in the social world. Maybe not IB. jk

Hard times in our future. Imagine "you" in Haiti? Of what worth would you be? Could you effectively deal with the world, if you had too? If it was forced on you? Or would you quote poetry trying to dissuade a thief from taking your water? Of what value would your skills have in clearing rubble? You cant do it from a warm safe comfortable well stocked den.

No, sir. I would not quote poetry. I would fight. I would want to survive. And my skills include having two arms that function. That implies I can move them and I could even possibly pick up rubble by moving my arms.
Oh, and what are we doing? We are doing what we want to do.

 

[Firehazard159]

so you agree, no comparison? Lets try to stay on topic this time.

as for the rest of you. Im not a troll, and a little pic doesn't prove it. In the OP I made a statement and it is obviously true. Also, your absolutely correct, I dont know what you do outside. How would I? But if the content of this forum is any indication or reflection Im worried. You feel at ease here, many of you have commented that your not social. That picture is crystal clear.

so what I see are people locked out of the world that come here to vent or indulge in conversations on pithy and abstract concepts well covered in other obscure forums and well known lit. You enjoy that. I get it. but what are you doing? strengthing a skill that is already strong enough. Why those RPG characters have one giant arm and one undeveloped one.

So basically I see many of you screaming for some relevance or self esteem. You dont get it out there, but instead of learning the requisite skills you come here and have written conversations with your demons. But at least that conversation was about something relevant.

I want to reach some of you. Show you that this cloistered lifestyle isnt healthy, nor is it doing anything for you. It is a difficult thing to do, but any of you could become devastatingly effective in the social world. Maybe not IB. jk

Hard times in our future. Imagine "you" in Haiti? Of what worth would you be? Could you effectively deal with the world, if you had too? If it was forced on you? Or would you quote poetry trying to dissuade a thief from taking your water? Of what value would your skills have in clearing rubble? You cant do it from a warm safe comfortable well stocked den.

You sir, are a little bitch, and indeed a troll. You want a reaction, here it is.

I am a farmer, landscaper, musician, boyscout, martial artist, volunteer, and many other titles. How dare you suggest I do not know hard work, that I know nothing of helping others, of being prepared, of surviving. I would fare far better than the average city person - which, chances are, you are. I've moved boulders, built sheds, grown gardens, amongst many other skills.

You come here spouting your ignorance, claiming to see a crystal clear picture of each of our lives in a collective environment, when reality is you're an impotent troll, who has nothing better to do to, and tries to feel useful by attacking people for their past time activies.

Get a fucking life.

Of course, at this point, I sincerely expect this to go entirely over your head. You will receive no respect from me, until you grow up and learn a thing or two.

 

[Firehazard159]

Tell me, squid. What exactly are you useful for? What are your qualifications that allow you to judge us? What good do you do for haiti? Are you a professional psychologist? Is your power for good supposed to be trolling a forum to inspiring people you know so little about, to do what you lack the capabilities to do yoursellf? Swallow your own medicine, imo.

I apologize to the rest of the forum for my outburst, but not its content. It was a low blow bringing haiti's trouble into this like he is some kind of benevolent champion for their cause, questioning our (my) ability to help or be effective.

 

[Infinite Regress]

as for the rest of you

bs [as in short for bluesquid ]
It's your perception that you are above the rest of the forum members that is ruffling feathers. And to be fair your competing with what are mainly kids still in high school. But you're an INTP right, so any self esteem gained is a bonus.

I've no problem with the underlying message, and have supported it on this thread.

BUT, imo your confusing being street savvy with being social, though you have to be social to be street smart. I've seen some of your posts and there seems to be this underlying theme of trying to be cool : be a track star rather than a nerd programmer, dominate others with comebacks to win confrontations, look at these geeks watching anime etc.

Really that's childlish high school thinking, but I guess it could be relevant for these kids in high school.

I'm a son of migrants who escaped the war to come to Australia to not only begin a new life, but make money to support their family back home. They came to Australia with nothing. My childhood was nothing but discipline and hard work where I had to help out the family business. Being ethnic, I grew up in poorer parts of a rough neighbourhood.

lol@comfortable well stocked den

squid, your intentions are good, but you're not the shit just yet. There is still plenty to learn, just like the rest of us.

 

[Claverhouse]

Then Make Yourself A Second Plan

YouTube- 20 Das Lied von der Unzulänglichkeit



Mankind lives by its head
Its head won't see it through
Inspect your own. What lives off that ?
At most a louse or two.
For this bleak existence
Man is never sharp enough.
Hence his weak resistance
To its tricks and bluff.


Aye, make yourself a plan
They need you at the top !
Then make yourself a second plan
Then let the whole thing drop.
For this bleak existence
Man is never bad enough
Though his sheer persistence
Can be lovely stuff.


Aye, race for happiness
But don't you race too fast.
When all start chasing happiness
Happiness comes in last.
For this bleak existence
Man is never undemanding enough.
All his loud insistence
Is a load of guff.


Ballade von der Unzulänglichkeit menschlichen Strebens : Mannheim-Willets translation






Claverhouse

 

[Trebuchet]

so you agree, no comparison? Lets try to stay on topic this time.

One of the great things about INTPs is that they can spot tiny logical flaws in arguments. You, bluesquid, are a master of exploiting this, and keeping INTPs busy refuting your arguments, which have more holes than a sieve. Congratulations, I guess.

Conclusion: you are indeed a troll, and silly me, I fell for it.


@FireHazard - no apology needed. Yes it was a low blow to mention Haiti's troubles, and completely out of line. Thanks for standing up against such callousness.

 

[EditorOne]

Just to be absolutely fair I think I brought up Haiti in the first place, but merely as a no-brainer place where any contribution probably couldn't go wrong, balancing comments I'd made earlier that might have been a little too pessimistic about the way attempts to do good can backfire.

Alas we are seeing that much is going wrong even with a nobrainer like Haiti, bloodshed over aid efforts. Before any useful analysis and planning is possible (the real INTP contribution, beyond one more pair of arms wielding a shovel or whatever) the crying need appears to be for a regiment or two of Marines to restore some of the attributes of civilization, otherwise everything is just tossing meat into a shark feeding frenzy.

And just as obviously the amelioration of earthquakes and hurricanes and droughts requires the kinds of prevention measures and whatnot that any good INTP could figure out, like "don't breed beyond the ability of the environment to support life" and "don't forget reinforcing rod when you build with concrete" and lots of other sensible stuff that all the other people in the world then reject as too much trouble and too intrusive of their right to do as they damn well please no matter how much trouble it causes for everyone else. So once again, turn on the music, call up the INTP forum, and this time a round of Moosehead for everyone to go with it, for all those of legal drinking age and not troubled by overly focused drinking....

 

[bluesquid]

You sir, are a little bitch, and indeed a troll. You want a reaction, here it is.

I am a farmer, landscaper, musician, boyscout, martial artist, volunteer, and many other titles. How dare you suggest I do not know hard work, that I know nothing of helping others, of being prepared, of surviving. I would fare far better than the average city person - which, chances are, you are. I've moved boulders, built sheds, grown gardens, amongst many other skills.

You come here spouting your ignorance, claiming to see a crystal clear picture of each of our lives in a collective environment, when reality is you're an impotent troll, who has nothing better to do to, and tries to feel useful by attacking people for their past time activies.

Get a fucking life.

Of course, at this point, I sincerely expect this to go entirely over your head. You will receive no respect from me, until you grow up and learn a thing or two.

Bravo. Im happy for you. sincerely. This is the first post i have ever read of yours firehazard. And obviously I dont mean everyone when I said I made a wrong assumption. The vast majority of posts are completely frivolous. And I dont want to get off topic and personal. But if you type it, Im going to comment vis a vis.

If you deem me a troll than that is your reality. Not my intention to make anyone mad, Im simply being honest. That will ruffle feathers. I really dont care if Im liked or hated. I feel a responsibility to say this to fellow INTP's.

And to a degree I am talking about street smarts. Competence in general. I feel my worst when overwhelmed. So I work to avoid it by overwhelming myself. I am simply trying to instill or advocate that in all of you. I want all of you to have a "fucking life". A good full one. Those of you that do, should echo my words.

Oh, Im not a city boy. I was raised in Saranac Lake NY. Have lived almost everywhere, and have resided in Saranac Lake for the last 15 years of my life. Im not a bitch either.

 

[Da Blob]

"You got be nice to the people on your way up!
cuz you're going see them agin on the way back down!
do do wap de wop"

Many of those who participate on this forum are young people yet to enter the workforce. Of us elder types, there are probably very few that have not made some kind of significant contribution to improve the lives of at least a few others in the world. We may not share the spotlight with the INTJs and ENTPs of the world, but we do what we can.

 

[bluesquid]

"You got be nice to the people on your way up!
cuz you're going see them agin on the way back down!
do do wap de wop"

Many of those who participate on this forum are young people yet to enter the workforce. Of us elder types, there are probably very few that have not made some kind of significant contribution to improve the lives of at least a few others in the world. We may not share the spotlight with the INTJs and ENTPs of the world, but we do what we can.

cool. would you agree more can be accomplished in the spotlight?

Never my intention to be mean. Im just honest. I feel like im drowning if Im not true.

 

[Da Blob]

cool. would you agree more can be accomplished in the spotlight?

Never my intention to be mean. Im just honest. I feel like im drowning if Im not true.

No, The glamour of the spotlight is a myth. One becomes the slave of the audience. Great deeds like great crimes are best done without witnesses.

 

[Firehazard159]

Bravo. Im happy for you. sincerely. This is the first post i have ever read of yours firehazard. And obviously I dont mean everyone when I said I made a wrong assumption. The vast majority of posts are completely frivolous. And I dont want to get off topic and personal. But if you type it, Im going to comment vis a vis.

If you deem me a troll than that is your reality. Not my intention to make anyone mad, Im simply being honest. That will ruffle feathers. I really dont care if Im liked or hated. I feel a responsibility to say this to fellow INTP's.

And to a degree I am talking about street smarts. Competence in general. I feel my worst when overwhelmed. So I work to avoid it by overwhelming myself. I am simply trying to instill or advocate that in all of you. I want all of you to have a "fucking life". A good full one. Those of you that do, should echo my words.

Oh, Im not a city boy. I was raised in Saranac Lake NY. Have lived almost everywhere, and have resided in Saranac Lake for the last 15 years of my life. Im not a bitch either.

This. Especially this.

This is the first post i have ever read of yours firehazard.

Sure, I'm not a super-active poster, but I still post decently often. You clearly have no grasp of a majority of the members. And you claim a vast majority of the posts are frivolous - well, are you only going to frivolous threads?

And yet, you dare claim to be able to speak like you know the forum members "as clear as a crystal ball." I guarantee you for most of the people, the 'personal information' I just shared is almost all new to them - why? It's irrelevant to a *personality type forum* where people come to share *how they think, interact, and operate in general* to get a better understanding of themselves, as well as form a community.

This is a portal intended for learning and growth, for a gathering of like minds to better be able to understand and learn from each other, about each other, and themselves.

Now, in all fairness, you are "trying" to help (Or simply trying to troll. I'm leaning more towards troll, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, for this arguments sake.)

But, your method of "help" comes in the form of being offensive and attacking, rather than helpful and relating. Feel free to share you experience, explain to us what you've learned and how it's helped you, but don't you dare come in calling a majority of people here inept human beings who are going about life all wrong, and should follow your way because you know what's right and true. You're about as bad as Christians who claim Christ is the only way to God, only in this case, you're proclaiming to be the messiah, holding the one true method on how to live life. (Semi-apologies to any Christians of that *very specific* narrow belief, but I find it absurd. Other branches of thought in Christianity are less so, but staying on topic...)

When I say all this I'm referring to

"And to a degree I am talking about street smarts. Competence in general. I feel my worst when overwhelmed. So I work to avoid it by overwhelming myself. I am simply trying to instill or advocate that in all of you. "

- There is more than one way to skin a damned cat. Your method works for you, and others have found other ways to deal with and succeed in life.

You claim to be happy for me, but you *still* don't even know a tenth of my story. What pisses me off here, is how god damn presumptuous you are being, and that's what makes you a bitch. You're so completely blind to the fact that other people live different lives than you. Walk in their shoes before you start presuming to have a crystal clear outlook on their lives, before you start calling them ridiculous for having depression, and calling them incompetent.

You may have something to offer here, but again, you're going about it all wrong. Throwing people on the defensive, trolling their responses rather than being legitimately helpful, you are dismissive and arrogant. (Whether you're a troll or not, you *have been trolling some responses*)

I believe someone else said this earlier in the thread, but "Lurk Moar" is rather fitting indeed, for you.

On a side note, I also disagree that being the spotlight is more effective. If anything, it's potentially detracting, as it allows ego to get in the way.

I think I had more to say, but it's gotten lost in my side rambling making additional points that I originally hadn't had in mind.

I will say this though. Your thread title is ironically accurate. You're full of wrong assumptions, and you continue to make them in extremes, rather than realizing there's a variety of people here, and that INTP isn't a box for people to settle in, but rather a way of thinking, processing data, and making decisions. Beyond that, interests are varied, ideals, tastes, etc. Stop bullying the ones who's interests you disagree with.

Maybe I'm take all of this a little more personal than I should because I am a gamer, anime lover, depressed, and yet - still a productive member of society. All the things you're trashing on, yet know so little about. And you know what? I'm still young, I've still got a shit load ahead of me to accomplish. And I'm still going to 'waste time' on these forums, because not only are they helpful, educational, and supportive, but because I have friends here. You make it sound like having a community of friends where you can go and bullshit about inane ("frivolous") things is a bad thing. Some people choose a bar, we choose a forum. Some people choose going home with someone drunk and having a one night stand, we prefer to choose abstract intellectual thought on a Friday night, even if in the end it's a fruitless endeavor.

Again, I say, how dare you judge our past time activities. The mere fact that you're on here makes you a hypocrite, in that sense, when you could be 'fighting the good fight!' out in the world, going to schools to educate the youth! (Sorry, blast of sarcasm.)

I may ignore you from now on, depending how you respond. Then again, you don't care about what anyone thinks of you - though you probably should, as your message can simply become lost when you don't, as hopefully you're noticing now.

 

[Anthile]

What is this all about, anyways?

I can predict that if it stays this way, this thread will soon be closed. I'm all in for heated debates but everything in moderation.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

I may ignore you from now on, depending how you respond. Then again, you don't care about what anyone thinks of you - though you probably should, as your message can simply become lost when you don't, as hopefully you're noticing now.

There is an ignore user function in the user CP. This thead isn't so bad when you use it on the OP (original poster). Makes you forget what all the fuss was about

 

[bluesquid]

There is an ignore user function in the user CP. This thead isn't so bad when you use it on the OP (original poster). Makes you forget what all the fuss was about

You suggest it, yet you havent used it? for awhile IB? You have added nothing to this discussion. I ask you to stay out of it.

Your young Firehazard, thats how its supposed to be. The fact that you have called me a "bitch" in consecutive posts makes me wonder if you are an INTP. I know you are not. Short of 30 seconds of winning a fight, I wouldnt say it.

Have I impassioned you?

Obviously yes.

Learn.

read my Intro. An INTP is a magnificent thing when educated. Many will ignore reality for far too long. Dont be of that ilk!

What I have to say isnt a popular message. It never will be.

I dont want to coddle you. I want to educate you. IF you want to benefit, get out of your comfort zone. I promise you, you will thank me later.

Wouldnt a philosophy unnatural to a INTP's , be offensive?

Im an INTP, and I have grown. Grown to deal with the world. It is out there. Deal with it, or it will deal with you.

 

[cheese]

So what if you find him annoying or arrogant? What if he has a point? Why should the person detract from the message?* Shouldn't we be beyond ego? In my experience pride, especially when hurt, just gets in the way. But excessive insecurity is problematic as well.

*I think they can't be totally separated, but equating the two seems a mistake as well.

 

[Firehazard159]

(Funny enough, I was thinking BS wasn't INTP at points.)

You're not educating anyone. You're preaching from a throne of ignorance. You're an evangelist of a way of life, rather than actually giving anyone useful tools (knowledge.)

You refuse to share any personal experience, world views - really, you haven't given any original thought in this thread. You simply attack peoples ways of living, and say they should change / stop doing them. You don't have to coddle, or be nice in how you say it. But you do need to actually contribute something.

I will not thank you later, because you have not provided anything of use.

(And actually, what you have said, is a popular message. It's drilled in by SJ's types all the time to me.)

Troll, meet: ignore button. I think you two will get along just fine ^_^


Cheese: The reason I'm finding him annoying / arrogant, is because he's spewing it all and doesn't really have a foundation. It's just blind attacks on people he knows nothing about. *That's* what is pissing me off. That's why the person detracts from the message. And, all his message really is, is trash talking other people.

Neither my pride, nor my insecurity are an issue here. It's his ignorance on the situation at hand. He's making so many assumptions out of nowhere. Which, is what I really think this thread is all about. He's a troll, who made the thread about (his) "Wrong Assumptions" about INTP's, only to switch and make broad sweeping assumptions in the exact opposite direction of his initial assumption.

Which makes me really wonder if he even *is* INTP, he claims to have grown from the same stage as us, yet, is entirely baffled that people would be in that stage (Hence his wrong assumption.) Then later on switches his point to him having been at that stage wishing for his future self to guide him.

He's not addressing anyones real points when they bring them up, he just finds ways to attack, or preach nonsense when he can't attack. Blatant trolling.

 

[bluesquid]

alas

 

[Words]

(Funny enough, I was thinking BS wasn't INTP at points.)

You're not educating anyone. You're preaching from a throne of ignorance. You're an evangelist of a way of life, rather than actually giving anyone useful tools (knowledge.)

You refuse to share any personal experience, world views - really, you haven't given any original thought in this thread. You simply attack peoples ways of living, and say they should change / stop doing them. You don't have to coddle, or be nice in how you say it. But you do need to actually contribute something.

I will not thank you later, because you have not provided anything of use.

(And actually, what you have said, is a popular message. It's drilled in by SJ's types all the time to me.)

Troll, meet: ignore button. I think you two will get along just fine ^_^


Cheese: The reason I'm finding him annoying / arrogant, is because he's spewing it all and doesn't really have a foundation. It's just blind attacks on people he knows nothing about. *That's* what is pissing me off. That's why the person detracts from the message. And, all his message really is, is trash talking other people.

Neither my pride, nor my insecurity are an issue here. It's his ignorance on the situation at hand. He's making so many assumptions out of nowhere. Which, is what I really think this thread is all about. He's a troll, who made the thread about (his) "Wrong Assumptions" about INTP's, only to switch and make broad sweeping assumptions in the exact opposite direction of his initial assumption.

Which makes me really wonder if he even *is* INTP, he claims to have grown from the same stage as us, yet, is entirely baffled that people would be in that stage (Hence his wrong assumption.) Then later on switches his point to him having been at that stage wishing for his future self to guide him.

He's not addressing anyones real points when they bring them up, he just finds ways to attack, or preach nonsense when he can't attack. Blatant trolling.

Freudian slipping irony.

Many hold irrational principles but I don't think that's where energy should be spent against. The self before others is key methinks.

 

[FrostFern]

I thought INTP's were the serious type.

Take offense, I dont care. But you all are pentium chips running the new facebook app. Is this forum this unencumbered by responsibility?

I am so happy every fucking day that I wake up that I have god given ability. But thats not enough for me. I want it to matter.

Half of you live in anime world. The other half are depressed. WAKE UP!

This is life. IF, IF, I have anything in common with you, YOU are a mental giant living in the philosophical equivalent of a mobile home.


Im not sure if there has ever been a more important time in the history of this/ country, in which the talented stand up. No more WOW. NO more DnD. No more self indulgent self loathing or sorrow. In another country, you would have been killed for lack of purpose.


Come on!

Get active. Do something. Atlas didnt shrug. he wished for more weight.


YOU are something. Dont over analyze it. Get out there and be a force for good. Isnt that logical?

stop being a waste.

So if we go by your model we should all be using our supreme INTP intellects (whatever, I'm so tickled) to go out and do the verbal equivalent of thumping our chests, throwing our feces, and shouting I AM IMPORTANT dammit! ...while sitting on our asses typing on internet forums.

I think the whole INTP elitism/superiority thing is a load of crock anyways. It just goes to show that everyone is just as full of shit as everyone else.

 

[bluesquid]

YouTube- Alan Parsons Project - Don't Answer Me

 

[bluesquid]

Hope the cartoon isnt lost.

 

[Adymus]

Im an INTP, and I have grown. Grown to deal with the world. It is out there. Deal with it, or it will deal with you.

No bluesquid... I'm afraid this is where you are wrong.

You are neither grown, nor an INTP.

You see, no matter what personality type you are, there is benefit that will always come with being a developed or "grown" mind: Maturity.
Through out this thread you have displayed many things: Ignorance, Arrogance, Self-righteousness, and classic douche-bagginess. None of which come close to resembling any shred of maturity.

Did you actually think you would incite an INTP revolt? I know you didn't expect this to be accepted without opposition, but you are handling this opposition so poorly that you have pretty much killed any chances you had of looking competent or likable.

Do you know how I know you are an INFJ?

It's simple: Worldview over Logical compass. In other words: Ni over Ti.

You are waving your Ni worldview around like a god damned 50 cal machine gun, and when we INTPs meet your Ni with our Ti questioning, instead of responding to our Ti with a Ti'ed answer of your own, you just push your worldview harder with more Fe, like a Noob.

You're not evolved, your not "grown", and you are damn sure not an INTP. Deal with it.

 

[fullerene]

Why are people still responding to this? Seriously, if nothing is being gained from talking to him, then nothing is being gained from talking to him. If you've been around long enough: remember ChristopherL. Odds are if you don't agree with him, then you don't have to answer because you're in the majority, and he's clearly not listening. Why not let him talk to whoever wants to listen, and see if there's any audience left?

(I don't expect to be back, btw... so don't waste your time responding to this. I just wanted to throw it out there for people who, I believe, appear to be wasting their time)

 

[bluesquid]

No bluesquid... I'm afraid this is where you are wrong.

You are neither grown, nor an INTP.

You see, no matter what personality type you are, there is benefit that will always come with being a developed or "grown" mind: Maturity.
Through out this thread you have displayed many things: Ignorance, Arrogance, Self-righteousness, and classic douche-bagginess. None of which come close to resembling any shred of maturity.

Did you actually think you would incite an INTP revolt? I know you didn't expect this to be accepted without opposition, but you are handling this opposition so poorly that you have pretty much killed any chances you had of looking competent or likable.

Do you know how I know you are an INFJ?

It's simple: Worldview over Logical compass. In other words: Ni over Ti.

You are waving your Ni worldview around like a god damned 50 cal machine gun, and when we INTPs meet your Ni with our Ti questioning, instead of responding to our Ti with a Ti'ed answer of your own, you just push your worldview harder with more Fe, like a Noob.

You're not evolved, your not "grown", and you are damn sure not an INTP. Deal with it.

Deflection is always a skill. Unless its couched in MBTI babelspeak. I KNOW what the world is. Im not a noob. sigh

 

[Adymus]

I KNOW what the world is.

My point exactly.

 

[bluesquid]

Im a true INTP. With skills. An individual INTP trying to lead?

I loathe people that dont grow. I "know" what you are. Im one of you, yet I have developed other abilities.

Every species on this planet has defense mechanism. Enjoy it. You are lost in your own world. If it doesn't apply, then it doesnt apply. Sad, You will never understand relevance. I dont understand why the most intellectually gifted will allow the most sensually to benefit from the earth?

IM serious, If no one steps Forward, then I give up. Your world is what you create. go fucking ahead.

 

[bluesquid]

If it was 1692, I would be worried.

 

[Words]

Why are people still responding to this? Seriously, if nothing is being gained from talking to him, then nothing is being gained from talking to him. If you've been around long enough: remember ChristopherL. Odds are if you don't agree with him, then you don't have to answer because you're in the majority, and he's clearly not listening. Why not let him talk to whoever wants to listen, and see if there's any audience left?

(I don't expect to be back, btw... so don't waste your time responding to this. I just wanted to throw it out there for people who, I believe, appear to be wasting their time)

Agreed and I'm really surprised since it was apparently obvious. It makes me wonder if whether the aggravated responders truly have a "T" (for thought ), a "P" ( for flexible less strict less "judgementalism") and an N (for wisdom over direct appearance/facet) No offense.

Im a true INTP. With skills. An individual INTP trying to lead?

I loathe people that dont grow. I "know" what you are. Im one of you, yet I have developed other abilities.

Every species on this planet has defense mechanism. Enjoy it. You are lost in your own world. If it doesn't apply, then it doesnt apply. Sad, You will never understand relevance. I dont understand why the most intellectually gifted will allow the most sensually to benefit from the earth?

IM serious, If no one steps Forward, then I give up. Your world is what you create. go fucking ahead.

I don't know if your serious(strong FJ) or just lost in some strange wacky land of yours(NP). But either way, it was a nice experiment of reactions.

 

[Lyra]

I would like to state my non-identity with any ''us'', ''we'', or ''majority'' used adversarially in relation to a single aberrant individual; I can think of no baser or more aesthetically repulsive rhetorical device, and so opt-out of any group which makes use of it.

 

[Words]

I would like to state my non-identity with any ''us'', ''we'', or ''majority'' used adversarially in relation to a single aberrant individual; I can think of no baser or more aesthetically repulsive rhetorical device, and so opt-out of any group which makes use of it.

no matter, does it really have any effect?

 

[Lyra]

I feel affection towards bluesquid. Despite his horrifically insulting comments to my Wisdom thread, he has shown himself to me to be an essentially good-natured and kind person.

I also felt compelled to comment because I have a phobia of seeing groups predate upon individuals, even if those individuals have elicited that predation by their behavior, and even if the group's only food is identity and its only gain the strengthening of communal ties at the expense of a lone outsider.

 

[Words]

I feel affection towards bluesquid. Despite his horrifically insulting comments to my Wisdom thread, he has shown himself to me to be an essentially good-natured and kind person.

I also felt compelled to comment because I have a phobia of seeing groups predate upon individuals, even if those individuals have elicited that predation by their behavior, and even if the group's only food is identity and its only gain the strengthening of communal ties at the expense of a lone outsider.

:smiley_emoticons_mrcharming phobia. even though its not that rare. And its not exactly physical boxing. texts texts texts...

 

[bluesquid]

I would like to state my non-identity with any ''us'', ''we'', or ''majority'' used adversarially in relation to a single aberrant individual; I can think of no baser or more aesthetically repulsive rhetorical device, and so opt-out of any group which makes use of it.

point taken.

 

[Adymus]

Im a true INTP. With skills. An individual INTP trying to lead?

I loathe people that dont grow. I "know" what you are. Im one of you, yet I have developed other abilities.

Every species on this planet has defense mechanism. Enjoy it. You are lost in your own world. If it doesn't apply, then it doesnt apply. Sad, You will never understand relevance. I dont understand why the most intellectually gifted will allow the most sensually to benefit from the earth?

IM serious, If no one steps Forward, then I give up. Your world is what you create. go fucking ahead.

Get over yourself.


No really, get the fuck over yourself, because that is what stands in your way.

Because of the fact that you can't let go of this notion that you are some "evolved" being, you are stuck in this mindset that you are an INTP with abilities that INTPs do not have; When in reality, you're actually just a mediocre INFJ.
You are right about having abilities that we INTP don't have, but we have many that you don't as well. But of course I can't expect you to see that because at this point you are too high up on your pedestal to notice. You are lacking what an INTP values above all: Competence. That, bluesquid, is why you could never possibly lead us, regardless of your type.

 

[bluesquid]

I can be insulting. For that I apologize. But at the end of the day, only a few have commented on the essence of what Im saying.Otherwise? Simply ad hominem attacks.

You can be more. You can grow. Dont put your head in the sand. Dont wrap yourself around an idea of yourself.

Why stop at being one type? We talk about INTP's being chameleons. Why not change our minds, not just our skins? Its there for the taking. Most of you seem so rigid, quasi mature, and pedestrian. substituting the lack of control of yourself and your surroundings out there with a false sense in here.

I value being truly independent. Not relative to other types, or you. Relative to everything. Most of you seem independent in the tangible ways, yet wholly blase in the intangible.

Lyra is a 19 year old kid and he already shows more ability than the majority here. he has his finger on growth albeit in sometimes dangerous ways. seems many are no better than average joe with a tint of erudition.

Im disappointed.

 

[Words]

Get over yourself.


No really, get the fuck over yourself, because that is what stands in your way.

Because of the fact that you can't let go of this notion that you are some "evolved" being, you are stuck in this mindset that you are an INTP with abilities that INTPs do not have; When in reality, you're actually just a mediocre INFJ.
You are right about having abilities that we INTP don't have, but we have many that you don't as well. But of course I can't expect you to see that because at this point you are too high up on your pedestal to notice. You are lacking what an INTP values above all: Competence. That, bluesquid, is why you could never possibly lead us, regardless of your type.

I recommend working on the "self" first. There's better language, there's better composure, there's better control, and there's better mood for arguments. negativity is not a good "key".

I can be insulting. For that I apologize. But at the end of the day, only a few have commented on the essence of what Im saying.Otherwise? Simply ad hominem attacks.

You can be more. You can grow. Dont put your head in the sand. Dont wrap yourself around an idea of yourself.

Why stop at being one type? We talk about INTP's being chameleons. Why not change our minds, not just our skins? Its there for the taking. Most of you seem so rigid, quasi mature, and pedestrian. substituting the lack of control of yourself and your surroundings out there with a false sense in here.

I value being truly independent. Not relative to other types, or you. Relative to everything. Most of you seem independent in the tangible ways, yet wholly blase in the intangible.

Im disappointed.

I think "Stop" would be good.

 

[bluesquid]

Get over yourself.


No really, get the fuck over yourself, because that is what stands in your way.

Because of the fact that you can't let go of this notion that you are some "evolved" being, you are stuck in this mindset that you are an INTP with abilities that INTPs do not have; When in reality, you're actually just a mediocre INFJ.
You are right about having abilities that we INTP don't have, but we have many that you don't as well. But of course I can't expect you to see that because at this point you are too high up on your pedestal to notice. You are lacking what an INTP values above all: Competence. That, bluesquid, is why you could never possibly lead us, regardless of your type.

seriously? Im an INTP. The petulant tone of this post amuses me.

 

[Words]

Im an INTP.

Do you like melons or *a* pie? No not really?

 

[Claverhouse]

YouTube- NewsRadio - How could she french her daddy?




Claverhouse

 

[Adymus]

Nobody is misunderstanding your Bluesquid, you haven't failed to communicate anything to us. We all see what you are trying to herd us into, we just don't care for it.

Why?

Because we are INTPs, we are not here to shepherd the masses, we are here to understand the mechanics of natural law. If you can't even understand what an INTP values in life, then it is beyond me how you could still think you are one. Although I see now your reasoning is entirely masturbatory, you are attached to the notion that you are an INTP that has evolved passed your type.
To suggest that you are not an INTP, would suggest that you didn't do anything special, and your ego just won't allow that.

I don't put my head in the sand, I don't think anyone else here does either, and I certainly don't condone it. There is a difference between developing your mind, and changing your type. It actually is very possible to be an INTP "with skills" as you call it. However, even in this case an INTP will still always approach the world from an adaptive logical stand point. "Adaptive" as in completely reactionary to what the world throws at us (much like how we are reacting to what you throw at us.) As opposed to "Directive" in which we would push the world into fitting in with some worldview of how we think things should be (That is where you INFJs come in.)

Why stop at being one type?

Because you have no choice but to stop at one type, your base personality type is not up to you, it's biological. You personality is not just some amorphous blob that floats around in the etherealness of one's mind, and can take the form of what ever you want it to be. We are wired a certain way to be stimulated and drained by using certain cognitive functions in a certain order; Yes, we can develop the ability to use more functions, but those functions will always be used in service of your dominant functions, in a slave and master relationship.

An INTP's Dominant functions is Ti... Ti doesn't want to control people, it wants to understand them, nothing more, nothing less.