Violence

[Anthile]

Well, I am just for a short time on this forum, but soon I found out that many people here (including me) have a strange relationship to violence.

I, to be honest, hate violence. In real life, of course. Even when someone would punch me in the face I would turn to him the other also. Just as the good book says. No, I am not into Christianity and I am not a religious person, but it just seemed right to me. When I was younger and haven´t had my feelings under control, I was often involved in (physical) conflicts. Because of this I was often sent back home. As you can guess my father was not amused, but instead of talking to me or something like that, he just gave me two books: Herman Hesse´s Siddharta and Beyond Violence by Jiddu Krishnamurti. Especially the second one took a while. I discovered that violence just leads to more violence. Henceforth I never again picked a fight or something like that and became a so-called pacifist. To be clear: I always had an aversion to violence. The books just helped me to avoid it. Today I do not even kill gnats.
Heck, I can´t even watch live-action horrorfilms without feeling disgusted. Odd enough, I have no problems with watching bloody anime like Elfenlied or Berserk.
And I always feel concerned when people are having fun while re-enact war crimes in computer games. Or I am probably just a sissy and overact.
Well, that´s just my story.

But let us come back to this forum. The first time I saw the "Kill the last poster"-thread here I was stumped. It seemed so utterly grotesque, I had to laugh. In every other forum I have known, you would have been immediately banned for just opening such a thread.
And then there are the other threads full with horrible atrocities. I don´t know. It just looks like an odd substitute for "Hey, how are you? Nice to see you today.". But instead of those commonplaces you will just find there things like "I decapitate you with my steampunk-chainsaw-umbrella, sucker!" or something like that, I guess.

What do you think about violence?

 

[Melkor]

Lets be honest...

threads like that are catharthic...

Most types would never admit to being instinctively violent..

We Intp's have no problem with saying it...


Thats not to say we aren't pacifists..

I think it's all about vision....the big picture, that we seem to see....


We have all those maddening violent thoughts, yet we don't seem to attach much importance to them.

I mean, what does one violent motion mean in relation to the universe?

It's just another complex chemical reaction....


Don't tell anyone, but I'm an extreme pacifist....

Even with gnats...

 

[loveofreason]

Yep. If you're an INTP nothing is too awful to contemplate. But then you have it there, in your skull. And if daily circumstances cause frustration... it is just so hard to keep the rage and violence from escaping into the outside world. I think most of us direct it at ourselves before we hurt others - hooray for the games we have on this forum!

Once it's out there it's no longer inside where it can do damage!

I remember when the kill thread first appeared. I think I just watched it with fascination... it was like the forbidden fruit. Are we really allowed to do that? Is it okay? No one will punish us if we express all those dark urges?

Aah... the classic moment when Cabbo was strangled with his own stringy soul...

I watched long enough to make sure Jehovah didn't smite anyone for posting in it before I let myself join in. The rest is history.

 

[Melkor]

I'm very proud of that thread....

I've had a new and equally violent-fun idea....

 

[Perseus]

Each animal type has its own method and frequency, e.g. the Horsemen ESFJ is very likely to do a straight facial attack with his fists, whereas the Eagle INTP is more likely to use the glass in the face. The Eagle being the more dangerous when roused to extremes, but the Horsemen is roused by mild stimulus the Eagle would not even notice. Alas, the Horsemen feeds on the success of his violence and they begin to realise it achieves results. The Bear ISTP is likely to use a punch in the face as well. The Snake ENTP may very well use the stiletto knife.

He is six foot tall Horseman and he is a dangerous offensive weapon. It will need more than a puny little knife to take him down. I am going to hide underneath the rock and spit venom, or fly away like an Eagle.

 

[NoID10ts]

We have had some other threads about aversions to violence, etc. I hate violence, in real life, and have expressed that here several times. But there is a rage within me, that, if left alone, just builds up to an unhealthy level and never escapes. I find that this place is a nice way to let off steam, like a pressure valve. Like Melkor said, its cathartic. I can say and do all the things I can't say and do in real life (but sometimes would like to). For me, NoID10ts is a weird alter ego of sorts, but don't tell anyone.

 

[Kianara]

I'm actually violent in real life, but only with those I care about. Then again, I'm an INTJ. *shrug*

 

[Melkor]

We have had some other threads about aversions to violence, etc. I hate violence, in real life, and have expressed that here several times. But there is a rage within me, that, if left alone, just builds up to an unhealthy level and never escapes. I find that this place is a nice way to let off steam, like a pressure valve. Like Melkor said, its cathartic. I can say and do all the things I can't say and do in real life (but sometimes would like to). For me, NoID10ts is a weird alter ego of sorts, but don't tell anyone.

So long as you keep my secret...I'll keep yours.

 

[Agent Intellect]

i really don't have much aversion to violence. is it strange that i never even thought twice about the fact that we had a "kill the last poster" thread? it just seemed like something i would normally find on an internet forum to me. of course, saying things like that is stuff i've always done offline, as well. amongst my tiny circle of friends, cutting each other down, joking about killing each other, and coming up with different ways to say "i hate you" has always been very commonplace, its almost second nature to me. in fact, my brother just pointed out a couple days ago how our normal tendency to anyone saying anything is to try to respond like the biggest douche bag in the group, and whoever comes up with the most asshole sounding response is "the winner". perhaps thats just the sort of people i've always been associated with, though (and i'm sure its a factor in why i can be very thick skinned about anything. i can't remember the last time anything has truly offended or insulted me.)

 

[NoID10ts]

See. AI doesn't talk about much violence here, because he does it in real life. Sick bastard.

 

[Kianara]

I'm violent offline and online. The best of both worlds.

 

[Agent Intellect]

perhaps. that, and much of the bullshit threads happens during the day while i'm at work, and i'm too lazy to read them when i get home.

 

[NoID10ts]

Perhaps. Can I still imagine you as a sick real life murdering bastard so I can tell people I know one?

 

[Agent Intellect]

nobody has been murdered. they're just "missing".

 

[Kianara]

Which is always the best coverup. Nice job, AI.

 

[Fukyo]

I don't like violence,but I was forced to resort to it a few times when I had to defend myself.Sometimes when stressed,and having so many negative thoughts building up the rage is an inevitable consequence.Luckily rage is very tightly connected with sadness for me,so I usually just cry it off.

 

[Melkor]

On the note of violence, I'd like to say that I have now officially been adopted by AI.


Heres hoping someone finds a hole in his papers soon, I'm sick of being a porn star.


Ahem...



Fukyo is violent?

 

[Fukyo]

Not violent but has occasional violent thoughts like everyone else, just chooses not to act on them

 

[Melkor]

Awk.....a violent Infp would be marvellous fun to watch!



-ARGGHHHHHHH-lashes out-


AHHH...oohhh I'm sorry!



ARGGHHHH!!!-more lashing-

 

[Chimera]

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I was mildly violent when I was younger; never got in actual fights though 'cause I was too much of a goody-goody. I did punch a wall one time and ended up cracking it a little, as well as bruising my knuckles. Ah, good times...
I'm pretty sure it would be my last resort no though, 'cause I smother any violent urges pretty quickly (they're rare enough as is). The only person I would ever want to hurt is my father, and that's an easy urge to control thanks to my love for my mother. It would tear her up to think that her youngest daughter has enough reason and rage to want to harm her father, and since I would never want to hurt her...
Anywhooo. I also know that I would join a fight in order to defend one of my friends/family, but I would never start one for them. And I would fight back to defend myself. But that's about it.

And I know I could never kill anyone, no matter what the circumstances were.
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[NoID10ts]

It makes me sad to hear of your difficulties with your father, Chimera. I hope I never make any of my children feel that way about me.

 

[Chimera]

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Nah, don't worry. It takes a special brand of idiot to make a kid go against their instincts and truly hate a parent.
'sides, for some reason I imagine you as a cool dad. Maybe being blue helps. :P
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[saffyangelis]

Saffy's my alter - ego. She's like me, but I can be violent, I can say what I want and I can be just as sarcastic as I want, without worrying about offending anyone. And I can type my little insults/comebacks without people giving me funny looks for my obscure references.
In real life, i'm such a pacifist, I'm vegetarian. I don't like violence, but I once managed to hit someone in the mouth with a snowball. It was a good shot =)

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

I have some agressive tendencies but I only use it at times when I need to be intimidating (I'm a big bastard). I hope that works so as not to have to use violence which I hate to participate in. Watching it on tv, movies or talking about it anywhere seems perfectly acceptable. I have participated in some violent sports in my youth (american football and rugby) my attitude towards it was different from some others who pump themselves up emotionally to motivate them. I played more cerebrally and considered it just good clean fun.

 

[Waterstiller]

I abhor violence and try to avoid it in any media. I also abhor gross stuff being shown for the sake of shock value. However, it doesn't bother me any more than people yelling at eachother in argument or inflicting verbal or emotional abuse. I get a little nauseated in each case.

I'm entirely capable of violence when it comes to real life self defense, however. I wouldn't have a problem doing anything in my power to stop an attacker, especially if someone was hurting a friend of mine.

 

[snowyashes]

Awk.....a violent Infp would be marvellous fun to watch!



-ARGGHHHHHHH-lashes out-


AHHH...oohhh I'm sorry!



ARGGHHHH!!!-more lashing-

...exactly. I'm in martial arts, and whenever we practice our self defense, which we do with partners, I'll punch really hard and stuff, but if I accidentally hit someone, I'll be like "Oh my gosh! Are you okay? I'm so sorry! Are you sure you're okay? I swear, I didn't mean to!"... and sparring class is even more fun.

But when I do have to defend myself (not in class, obviously), I do whatever I can and don't worry about the consequences until after words, when my conscience kicks in.

Other than that, however, it's extremely entertaining to watch me smack my friend, then freak out when she yells "OW!" because I didn't mean to hit her that hard. (Of course, she knows this and uses it to her advantage, but she doesn't know that I know she knows... MWAHAHA...)

 

[Jesin]

But let us come back to this forum. The first time I saw the "Kill the last poster"-thread here I was stumped. It seemed so utterly grotesque, I had to laugh.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrossesTheLineTwice

 

[Ermine]

I relish hypothetical crazy violence like that of the "kill the last poster" thread. It's a great outlet for real life frustrations. I don't mind movie/video game violence much either. However, I don't like violence at all in real life, especially the gorey type.

 

[Madoness]

I dunno... I'm a pacifist. But when needed.... I use submission holds rather than kick or punch. I'm against violence.

 

[JoeJoe]

Well... let's see...

I often have fantasies about seriously hurting people, usually because they offend me or done something which really makes me mad, because there is absolutely no explanation for what they did, except that they wanted to have fun. But when I am in the situation I usually don't have the guts or rage to do anything. The anger hits me about 20 seconds later. I fear that one day I will really beat someone up, and then nobody will ever try something with me again.
animals: I have enjoyed burning and "tasering" ants a few times but, as I look back, I think I was mainly fascinated by the bodily reactions. There was also a limit: I didn't do it for very long and when the ant was still squirming in pain after numerous taserings I squished them. But I really can't bear to injure a much larger animal, I think it's because then the innards really spurt (insects) though flies and moscitos are OK if they are really annoying me. Speaking of flies, I remember that I was once sitting by the pool with my cousin and these really small flies were always sitting down on us. We always killed them and put them aside. At the end we had over 100!! Also I can't bear it when the animal is making a really pitiful sound.

Edit: Oh, yeah I also like watching slaters fall from logs I put on the fire.


Other violence: I do martial arts and there we also really fight, but without really hurting one another. They also always tell us to only use it in self-defense and I'm sure I would never start a fight. But those "play"-fights I find really fun. With another friend of mine we often hit each other in class (shoulders, fist against fist, ribs, legs and arms mainly) which sometimes really hurts but it's also really fun. The funniest thing is, that even though he is much stronger, I somehow manage more often to hit a spot which really hurts.

 

[Oblivious]

I learnt Aikido for a while some time ago. It was all about avoiding and redirecting an attack while gaining a superior position. I liked the way it could totally dominate a stronger force, without any injury whatsoever, using flexibility and speed. It was a very elegant way of downing an opponent.

Of course I could not help thinking of all the ways I could corrupt the techniques. Just a little modification here and there could turn a once peacful Aikido into a style that could fatally cripple and destroy an opponent. Least of these being concussions and dislocations. This is probably because the idea of restraining an opponent with a superior position gives the user a whole lot of power over over his aggressor.

Yes, Aikido is a wholly reactive style and is nonoffensive by nature. One of the reasons I decided to learn it.

 

[Perseus]

Aikodo has been adopted by at least one Wolfman (ENTJ) adversary. These bastards have learned it is the fashion and latched on to it.

 

[Jordan~]

I dislike violence. I look away or flinch when I see it, usually. I can get very angry with people, but in my earlier childhood I used to throw the most dreadful tantrums, often with physical violence involved. I've since learnt to control it, now I'll just smoulder and rage, and if the person can get through to me, scream at them a bit before storming off and ranting about them to someone else until I've calmed down. I don't think I physically could hurt someone on purpose now.
Theoretical or fictional violence, however, doesn't bother me as much. I still flinch or cringe a little, and gross-out, cutting-people-up horror is just disgusting and nauseating for me, but I don't get upset about it or anything. I can imagine the exhileration of battle without the horror at the bloodshed, for example.

 

[didyouknow]

Just like just about everyone else here, it seems, I'm a pacifist. I get really angry when people kill spiders. I prefer to just use a container and release them when I get outside. I hate real world violence but animated violence doesn't really bother me.

As for the martial arts, I go to Ju-Jitsu classes. We never really learn anything but locks and holds to subdue your opponent without hurting them. I don't think I'd have a problem using these defensive tactics in real life but I've never punched anyone so I don't think I could even do it if I wanted to.

Maybe as INTPs we can see the big picture so we know that violence begets more violence. I'm not saying other types are violent in nature, but they probably have different reasons for it.

 

[Perseus]

Maybe as INTPs we can see the big picture so we know that violence begets more violence. I'm not saying other types are violent in nature, but they probably have different reasons for it.

When touched to the core in a bad way, murder seems the only answer, cause if they can get up and retailiate, they might kill you.

One answer is an agency of violence, like a Rattlesnake or some of the more deadly snakes, not easily available in England.

The death rate is appallingly low about 1 in 1600 American venomous snakes kill the victim, so "intention to kill" is an unlikely verdict.

Kraits are agencies with a higher success rate.

Snakes are not native to Ireland.

 

[travelnjones]

Guess im the odd man out. I believe a lot of people are deserving of violence. I guess see it as just based of their actions.

That said I am torn on the issue of me being involved in violence. My family has a long history of angry/rage issues and I do take steroids as part of a medical treatment so I definately have been pushed in that direction. On the other side of that I have dreams and feelings of powerlessness resolving around violence. My punches are week and ineffective in my dreams.

Im a big person tall, fat and imposing. I have worked out im not strong but i was closing in on two plates. So i dont understand my feelings of weakness. I guess its lucky that i am somewhat intimidating and dont really need to fight.