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INTP Interaction Manual

citrusbreath95

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Not sure if this has been said or not:
1. If an INTP is sitting alone silently, don't come up to them asking "why are you sad" yes, because automatically silence ensures depression:slashnew:
2. Don't act like a phony, and be one way, when your really something else
3. Don't assume us to be stupid if we just sit and look blankly into space
4. Don't feed us lies/try to deceive us, and be prepared to be interrogated for accuracy in your previous statement(s).
5. Our humor may disturb you, or cause you to wonder if we are really apart of the human species (or so I've been told...;))
6. If you see one standing in the middle of the field claiming to be communicating with their fellow alien friends above, it's perfectly normal and you shouldn't call the psycho ward
7. If an INTP is just sitting in the middle of a field, with their laptop, understand, they are just trying to get a better internet connection! (It's not weird, it's inventive!):rolleyes:
 

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Oh, hell. I can write a whole book. This might be reiterations of what's been already said, but I'll add a list as well....

- INTPs like to have alone time. Please let them have it. This goes for all introverts.
- In an INTP is in the middle of doing something, don't go up to them, hug them, or touch them. Leave them alone for a while. If you REALLY need their attention, ask for it.
- Always be honest. Never, ever lie to an INTP, not even to spare their feelings. They might sniff out the truth eventually and have even less respect for you if you lied to them.
- If something an INTP does hurts you, tell them so, and be straight forward about it.
- If you do something that hurts an INTP, or if an INTP is upset or angry, it's best to leave them alone for a while to process their feelings. They'll probably let you know they're upset (even though they might not show it externally, they might just tell you, and it would help if you believed them), but trying to pester them with the problem even further will probably cause more agitation.
- Don't just sit there and make obvious observations or try to make "small talk" with an INTP. Yes, the weather is nice. It is sunny. It is warm. But do you have any sort of substance at all?
- Please practice basic grammatical skills and some thoughtfulness with your words if you're communicating with an INTP via the internet. INTP writers and editors will especially be annoyed with you if you don't.
- Don't judge INTPs as "stupid" if they seem distant or "aloof."
- Do not expect an INTP to trust you when you first meet them. Trust needs to be earned.
- Don't try to "fix" an INTP. For one, they're not broken. And second, if you try to "change them for the better," they'll probably be more reluctant in having any sort of relationship with you. INTPs might be the least likely to ever try to change you, so please don't try to change them.
- If an INTP says, "I don't know. Give me a minute to think." Please, give them a minute to think.
- If you're interested in forming some sort of a romantic relationship with an INTP, don't think that subtle hints or subtle flirting will get their attention. Again, you have to be very straight forward.
- Though INTPs might seem to lack assertiveness, don't think you can treat them like a doormat and get away with it.
- INTPs can be long-winded and very explanatory. Keep this in mind if you ever ask one a question. Also, it's best to keep a dictionary and thesaurus nearby....

This might not apply to all INTPs out there so much as it applies to me personally. My goodness, I can be difficult....
 

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My rule:

Think outside yourself.
 

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-Don't tell your INTP you want something done "right now" so that he/she drops everything and does it, if you really didn't need it done for another hour.


Amen. I got really upset when I found out a colleague in prepress was giving us deadlines three days earlier than necessary simply because she assumed we'd miss deadline. My folks never missed deadline, and until I found out what was going on, we had to rush some jobs that could have benefitted from a bit more input. Infuriating and selfish and arrogant.
 

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I totally wrote one of these in 8th grade.


We don't hate you. We hate how much noise you make.

Any argument can be ended with, "Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries."

If we ask to be alone, we really do want to be alone. (None of this "Comfort me!" business.)

If you see an INTP across the room making strange faces, s/he is having a conversation with him/herself. It's normal.

We may be P's, but we're not pigs. Keep things clean, please.
 

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Don't say anything like or similar to 'You seem aloof... why don't you mix up with other people?', 'Are you alright?' and 'You're so quiet..why don't you talk?'.
Maybe instead of authoritatively stating that one should not ask questions such as these, the book could go in-depth into why they shouldn't. Maybe they'd understand. In the case they didn't, there needs to be a small section in the margins that simply says "Don't ask them these questions."
 

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If you find an intp laughing to itself, it is probably not planning to eat your guts, despite appearances.

When an intp makes something work and it does work, it means it is working whether or not you understand how it is working.

intps expect to expect nothing from you. Since intps are fair people they expect you to expect nothing of them in return.

intps enjoy complex problems because simple problems are understood easily. We actually enjoy difficult problems.

intps are not lazy, they are efficient.

If an intp is nice enough to give you advice, ignore at own peril.

intps are weird, and may in fact derive pride from being perceived as such. Get over it.

intps don't give a damn about you.
 

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If an INTP leaves the room during a conflict, DO NOT FOLLOW!!

INTPs do not want you to think they can't take care of themselves. (even alone in a forest :p;))
 

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You need not bother giving an INTP your phone number. They will not call you.

When an INTP does not send you a birthday card or the like, it's not because they do not like you, but because they assume you already know they wish you a happy birthday.

Even if you don't understand INTPs' sense of order, please don't leave drawers half open around them.
 

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I actually did write one of these a while ago. If you'd like I'll post it and it can be reviewed/criticized and be told what to change. I'm planning on editing it tonight so after that I'll bring it here.

-If your INTP has taken an interest in something, let him/her work it out. Just because it takes all of his/her focus for about 3 months doesn't mean he/she will still love it later on after he/she has figured it all out.
-If your INTP walks away when some kind of conflict has happened, it's because he/she is trying to deal with it. INTPs do this alone when they can help it.
-If your INTP comes to you with the problem, or really any problem, "I'm so sorry" isn't a great answer, though it's sweet and everything, we want answers or a chance to bounce ideas off.
-For optimum respect, do your research and help your INTP bounce ideas off of you.
-If your INTP continues to bring up other points in a discussion, do not continue to say the exact same thing or get angry at him/her. Please understand that he/she is just bringing up all possible views and it doesn't mean he/she is not listening to you or considering your input. he/she is, he/she just want to filter it and check it for validity.
-If your INTP criticizes something you do, don't be offended. He/she is probably trying to help you.
-Realize that hurting your INTP hurts the people currently or in the future who care about him/her. INTPs withdraw when hurt and are burdened with the sense of impending failure. This means that someone else who cares about him/her might have to work harder to show your INTP that it is safe to open up/trust and all of that kind of stuff.
-short version of that, don't betray the trust of/hurt an INTP.
-INTPs don't like being vulnerable and may have trouble expressing themselves.
-Give your INTP a chance to think before responding. To an INTP time means nothing and what we say is just as true an hour later as it was the time of it's conception.
-Again time means nothing to an INTP so if something is said, to us it remains true even if we don't repeat it. This is an easy fix, for example if in a relationship with an INTP let him/her know that you like it when they tell you they love you. It's not that we stopped thinking it if we don't, it's that it's so obvious to us that we don't feel the need to tell you again.
-Don't mistake silence for something being wrong.
-We are thinkers, and we enjoy thinking about things. Let us.
-If you really want to know how your INTP is feeling, let him/her choose a song. (this one should be double checked I read somewhere that INTPs choose music for how they are feeling and I know I do it. Is this an INTP thing?)
-Your INTP will only do something if it is interesting or if he/she understands the reason behind it. Keep this in mind before asking something. INTPs usually don't mind helping.
-BE STRAIGHTFORWARD. INTPs don't read body language well.
 

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If you find an intp laughing to itself, it is probably not planning to eat your guts, despite appearances.

When an intp makes something work and it does work, it means it is working whether or not you understand how it is working.

intps expect to expect nothing from you. Since intps are fair people they expect you to expect nothing of them in return.

intps enjoy complex problems because simple problems are understood easily. We actually enjoy difficult problems.

intps are not lazy, they are efficient.

If an intp is nice enough to give you advice, ignore at own peril.

intps are weird, and may in fact derive pride from being perceived as such. Get over it.

intps don't give a damn about you.
I like this list. A whole lot.

-If an INTP ignores or disregards social conventions, he or she is not being rude.
 

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-BE STRAIGHTFORWARD. INTPs don't read body language well.

What about those who are trained to pay more attention to the visual kind of communication? Body language is practically about showing movement to reflect the meaning and the facial tones reflects the emotional reactions or thinking of the individual. Someone who is trained to pay more attention to visual communication may understand the entire meaning by observing which parts means and decode by observing the overall tone when their brain area related to the body language is developed enough toward experience. Experience usually improves the area of the brain unless there is somehow a deficit into the part of the brain. As a HOH(Hard of hearing) INTP, I can strongly understand people with body language compared to people being straight-forward.

This goes to some of you who made a list:Some of the lists you have post there is lovely.

Just one unique suggestion.
-As a HOH INTP, we do tend to hate a lot of noise distortion when we can't decode what's the person is saying and this affects our desire to communicate in loud places although this could apply to other INTP that aren't deaf or hard of hearing.
 

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What about those who are trained to pay more attention to the visual kind of communication? Sometimes, Body language is practically about showing movement to reflect the meaning and the facial tones reflects the emotional reactions or thinking of the individual. Someone who is trained to pay more attention to visual communication may understand the entire meaning by observing which parts means and decode by observing the overall tone when their brain area related to the body language is developed enough toward experience. Experience usually improves the area of the brain unless there is somehow a deficit into the part of the brain. As a HOH(Hard of hearing) INTP, I can strongly understand body language compared to being straight forward.

This goes to some of you who made a list:Some of the lists you have post there is lovely.

-As a HOH INTP, we do tend to hate a lot of noise distortion when we can't decode what's the person is saying and this affects our desire to communicate in loud places although this could apply to other INTP that aren't deaf or hard of hearing.
I can understand body language and subtle movements perfectly fine, but I don't like it and prefer others to be straightforward with me, so I just ignore it.
 

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hmmm I'll edit that then. I'll change that to a learn by experience thing but I guess be aware that we may not understand body language well?
 

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Alright so I went back over it and added stuff from this thread. Here's what I have so far. Opinions please: Warning long.

INTP interaction manual

This is a guide to the friends and family of INTPs so that you can have an easier time understanding where your INTP is coming from and his/her actions. Since INTPs are introverted thinkers, most don't have the easiest time expressing these things out loud. INTPs can hard for other types to understand. With this guide, we, a bunch of INTPs, hope to help make smoother interactions with us. Since INTPs are said to only make up 2% of the population, you don't really meet us that often so you don't know how to react. Before we start, disregard everything you thought you knew about people and personal interactions.


Warning: Modifying your behaviour as a result of reading this for the purpose of manipulation will result in further loss of respect from your INTP.


Here are some things to remember.


Your INTP is an introvert:


This means he/she will go into her head a lot. A common representation is your absent minded professor. Your INTP will go into his/her head so often that he/she will probably forget what he/she is doing a lot. Unless you have asked about an area of interest, you shouldn't expect him/her to talk too much; especially if you aren't one of his/her close friends.


Unlike extroverts, he/she might not have too many friends. Some INTPs have lots of aqauntinces, but not too many close friends. Some INTPs really like certain people, but he/she will rarely let anyone know who he/she is. He/she also won't like being surrrounded by people much, so he/she won't go to many parties. Most INTPs catch early on that they are different. Most INTPs also develop strong trust issues. So if he/she are letting you in, take it as a compliment because he/she probably won't do it often. You also should realize you aren't going to always like what you hear.


Generally, we are smart:
We say generally because Myers-Briggs isn't about intellegence. Most of us hate the NT superiority complex. It's more accurate to say that an INTP's main goal is to understand, and his/her preferances generally cause a higher focus rate than any other type. This causes your INTP to appear intellegent because he/she will look up lots of things and his/her logic will be at a very high level. INTPs analyze everything. Some INTPs call focusing being “in the zone.” If your INTP finds something that sparks his/her interest, he/she can go at it for hours until he/she has figured it out. He/she might skip meals if it's consuming him/her enough. INTPs don't like to be interupted from these spurts of interest, and just because he/she is interested in something, doesn't mean he/she will finish the project. In fact, after it's been fully analyzed, and understood, INTPs don't care about it anymore. INTPs have a million good ideas and a thousand unfinished projects.


INTPs are also procrastinators. Your INTP will hate schedules and dead lines due to his/her P function. This is one of the things that seperate him/her from an INTJ, INTPs are unlikely to follow deadlines. If your INTP doesn't care about something, he/she probably isn't going to do it, or he/she will do the bare minimum; however, an INTP's standards are very high so when he/she does the bare minimum, it tends to be pretty high quality. You know that lazy quiet genius in the back of the class? The one the teacher screams “If you'd actually try, you could do really well!” at? That tends to be an INTP. (Though ENTPs tend to have this quality too.)


We generally lack confidence:
In the original description, it was said that the NT function, which causes a person to strive for competence mixes with the open-endedness of the P function to cause a lack of confidence in INTPs. In simpiler terms, your INTP wants to be competent in things but his/her P function causes him/her to see infinite possibilities that he/she is wrong. Though knowledge of a subject may cause him/her to appear arrogant at times, an INTP rarely truly is. Your INTP is more likely to believe that he/she is not competent enough almost ever. An INTP hold pretty high standards that he/she can't even reach and he/she will judge him/herself far more harshly than he/she will judge anyone else. Other people are expected to make mistakes, and those mistakes can be criticized but if your INTP makes a mistake in an area of interest, it attacks his/her very core. The idea that he/she can fail and it's extremely possible for him/her to fail, is terrifying and something he/she will wrestle with on a regular basis. This is why he/she may actually rarely give him/herself enough credit and may give others too much.


INTP Goals:
An INTP goes through life trying to understand things. INTPs want to understand as much as possible. An INTP does this by analyzing. Your INTP will analyze constantly. The world exists to be analyzed and understood for him/her. His/her head may always be buzzing with some new theory. INTPs believe the right knowledge at the right time can prevent any error. Your INTP's ultimate goal is to gain knowledge and understand. He/she will ask a lot of questions. Usually, the questions that make you go “WHO CARES?” but if he/she asked, then he/she does.


Your INTP is going to ask you questions. They do this to bounce ideas off you or because they are having trouble figuring it out. They are also testing their theories in real time. Give your answers honestly and don't give an answer just to give an answer. Your INTP will not look down on you if you don't know the answer. They will look down on you if you are dishonest and probably won't trust you. If you refuse to answer his/her questions, don't expect to be your INTP's friend.


When an INTP figures something out, they consider it to be a truth. They are very careful about how this truth is expressed, but since the feeling is the least developed, they may be longwinded and explanitory. They want to make sure they are accurate. Let them know if they are explaining too much.


Most of the time, he/she will be extremely quiet. Your INTP wants to observe as much as possible. This causes him/her to appear detached. Most of the time your INTP probably is pretty detached, and often he/she wants to be. An INTP is usually happy is a position where he/she can quitely observe until someone violates one of our principles or make an incorrect statement.


INTPs think:
INTPs absolutely LOVE logic. INTPs are extremely logical people. The best way of convincing your INTP to do anything is to give him/her a logical reason. An INTP can't argue with logic, and if you disregard a logical solution, your INTP is probably going to lose a little respect for you. As much as an INTP hates being illogical, he/she will tend to love being nonsensical. Logical nonsense is some of the most fun an INTP has with others.


Since INTPs are almost always thinking, waking up in the middle of the night to write down ideas is normal and not something to be complained about. Ideas come and go and INTPs are forgetful people. Most INTPs also spend a great deal of time on the computer researching and posting on forums. The computer gives them a voice they might not have because they can formulate their ideas before sending them out. When communcating on the computer with an INTP, practicing basic grammar is prefered and make sure to be thoughtful with your words.


INTPs have a very clever and warped sense of humor. An INTP tends to be the only ones laughing at his/her jokes because they either take a double summersault of imagination, are silly puns/alliteration/oxymorons, or they go way over other people's heads. INTPs are cynics and sarcastic, usually laughing at some random thought in his/her head. If asked and he/she says “Nevermind” he/she probably doesn't think you will get it or that it will take too much energy to explain. He/she is usually right too, because he/she learned from experience.


Your INTP will learn from experiences as far as social interactions and handling emotions go. Putting him/her in uncomfortable situations that he/she end up learning from, usually causes him/her to thank you later; however, the last thing you want to do is force him/her into anything. He/she will become extremely stubborn if forced because if he/she hasn't had time to make the decision on his/her own, his/her independent nature will fight it furiously. Give your INTP time to analyze.


It's Never Too Precise! (INTP get it?)


INTPs can be quite annoying when he/she corrects grammer. Though most of the time, he/she realizes you don't care. You jerks! (Just kidding) Usually corrections will only come when speaking to him/her. Now if you attack one of your INTP's principles, he/she will attack. His/her words become swords and he/she has the ability to cut deep, usually immediately disarming the person. There's almost always a bite because he/she can't hide that the attack makes him/her think you are stupid. This causes a lot of these kind of fights to quickly become physical ones. If your INTP doesn't learn to control his/her words, he/she can unintentionally hurt everybody. Since his/her feeling side is the least developed, he/she is unaware, and/or doesn't care. An ignorant statement will cause him/her to correct you or at least be sorely tempted to. Another goal of INTPs is to provide clarity. He/she will often suspect he/she ais the only one who can do so. If your INTP corrects you, don't take it personally. He/she usually means no harm, he/she is just providing clarity. This does not mean your INTP likes you any less or is no longer friends with you. It means you made an incorrect statement that he/she caught.




INTPs are oblivious.


INTPs don't care about outside appearences, and have been called the least demanding of all types in relationships. This makes living with your INTP pretty easy except for a common problem: the routine work of cleaning doesn't usually appeal to him/her. When an INTP live alone, there aren't many decorations. He/she has basic utilities and technology and will be happy with that alone. It is common for a corner to be filled with a pile of stuff. That pile is actually invisible to your INTP. If he/she sets something down because he/she don't need it, and aforementioned item doesn't move for 48 hours, it will become invisible to your INTP. The value of an item will depend on it's usefulness.


*It should be noted that your INTP can learn to tidy up when living with a family, and this is not a problem because he/she will treat it as systematic work. If not forced to clean, he/she will eventually do it on his/her own when things get in the way.


INTPs are remarkably oblivious. If your INTP enters a new place, he/she cares about the ambiance of it, not the actual details. In fact, the only things he/she will notice are things he/she is interested in, anything else needs to be pointed out to him/her. He/she may not be able to tell you anything about the appearance of a person he/she talks to on a regular basis. INTPs have been known to get a friend's hair color wrong after knowing them for 2 years. Okay, it's usually not THAT extreme, but INTPs usually can't tell you what shirt aforementioned person was wearing two minutes after talking to them.


Time doesn't exist to an INTP. Your INTP will probably bring up something you said a week earlier and expand on it now. He/she may even use it in an argument. When an INTP says something, it remains true he/she says otherwise. Your INTP will assume the same from you. This is partially because of the P function being adaptive. Sometimes coming up with answers takes some time but because the INTP has adapted and given themselves the time they need to come up with an answer, the answer is honest regardless of when it comes out.


INTPs are firm believers in principles; however, this does not mean they follow all the rules. Obviously a rule that violates a principle will not be followed. Also the principle that rules are just attempts to make principles black and white will cause some INTPs to break rules. For example, telling your INTP “Do not procrastinate, you will never get things done well” will cause the INTP to further procrastinate simply to show you the principle of quality not coming from the time spent on a project.


Wandering around alone muttering to his/herself is very normal behaviour. Fe users of any kind have the ability to create interactions in their head. It's similar to imaginary friends that don't leave our head. Your INTP is making his monologue a dialogue in order to more effeciently run his/her thoughts on whatever subject they are going through. His/her Ne is showing him/her lots of possibilities and sometimes it's easier to shift through them by talking to his/herself as if there were two of him/her.


INTPs are harmless:


In contrast, your INTP remember almost everything you tell him/her. Knowledge and ideas are extremely important to him/her. Everything he/she says, he/she considers important, so not listening to him/her will hurt him/her. The last thing your INTP wants to do is upset anybody they respect (unless of course they violate one of his/her principles) and he/she is probably a great listener. So if he/she see something is wrong, and asks about it, don't tell him/her “Nothing”. If you do, your INTP will understand that you don't want to talk about it, but he/she will speculate on what happened and usually come to the conclusion that he/she did something wrong to upset you. This may also cause him/her to withdraw to avoid upsetting you further. So a better response may be “I don't want to talk about it,” and maybe something about it being unrelated to what's going on now. This may or may not cause us to think it's our fault still, but it's less likely. ****You have to be very straightforward with your INTP.
Note:This may not apply if we know you pretty well. This is because we start to recognize your common emotions.


This is the most hypocritical thing, but your INTP will say “nothing” when asked what's wrong quite a bit too. Again, your INTP doesn't want to upset anybody he/she respects/cares about, and he/she doesn't open up easily; however, if he/she says “I'm just thinking” then there is truly nothing wrong, he/she is just thinking. Some INTPs love being asked “What about?” but a lot of the time, he/she is trying to figure it out and interrupting his/her train of thought further will annoy him/her. If you do ask what your INTP is thinking about, he/she will note that you are interested and maybe a few minutes later, he/she will begin telling you. If you aren't that interested, or your INTP seems to be making it too complicated, tell him/her. BE STRAIGHTFORWARD. He/she won't get offended most of the time. If you really want to avoid offending him/her, ask for the basic details. Don't be afraid to ask questions, INTPs usually love getting a new prespective and ****always love discussion.


Note: INTPs want substance in their discussions. Your INTP won't appreciate small talk.


An INTP's feeling side is the least developed.:


When talking to your INTP, the underdeveloped feeling is a good thing to keep in mind. This means that emotions are the most draining part of them. Your INTP has emotions like everyone else but when he/she expresses them, you will notice that the emotions come out almost childishly. If you tell your INTP an emotional story, chances are you won't get a sympathy discussion. Your INTP is going to look at the situation logically and give you logical solutions. This is the only way he/she knows how to help a person and this can be frustrating to both parties.


The underdeveloped feeling also means facial expression is not a good indicator of mood. It is a good idea to recognize your INTP's “default” expression. Until your INTP really thinks about it, he/she usually can't tell you how he/she is feeling. Emotions are messy and get in the way of the objective thinking your INTP is trying to achieve. So questions like “Are you alright?” are usually annoying or at least confusing.


This also means some INTPs have trouble reading body language. Though experience can teach us what these subtle hints mean, INTPs prefer for you be straightforward. Ask your INTP directly and they will probably give it to you as far as that's possible.


INTPs like to debate. Your INTP will play the devil's advocate. This is because his/her Ne is trying to see all points of view. It does not mean he/she isn't listening to you. On the contrary, it means he/she wants you to back up your point. INTPs never take an opinion based on authority. Everyone is going to be scrutinized equally including his/herself. Don't take offense or get your feelings hurt by something said in a debate. You will at the very least confuse your INTP and at worst discourage him/her to the point of withdrawl.


This also means that if you are interested in forming a romantic relationship with an INTP. Tell them. Most INTPs aren't great on picking up subtle hints but this is more true in romance than anything else. Once again you have to be very straightforward.


INTPs will have a lot of trouble expressing emotions. Words cannot convey emotions for INTPs. Most INTPs use music or art or photography to express their emotions. INTPs can't listen to music to change their mood, instead they listen to music that goes with how they feel. Part of this is that INTPs view emotions as somewhat unchangable.


INTPs and relationships:
Friendships with INTPs depend on you. They also depend on what your INTPs intuition says about you. Trust rarely happens immediately, and always must be earned. Usually your INTP will resemble a chameleon when talking with people. He/she will mimic your mood. A jolly person will bring him/her out of his/her shell as much as that is possible, and a serious person will find a serious INTP staring back at them. Close friends may notice this when your INTP is telling you that he/she is upset, but then a jolly person comes along and start making jokes, and suddenly, it seems your INTP has changed moods completely. This stems from his/her want to understand. He/she is trying to get in the mind of the other person to understand them and decide something about them like their intentions for example. If you notice your INTP doing this with you, be flattered, you are the focus of his/her busy mind.


If you do something that hurts your INTP, or if your INTP is upset or angry, it's best to leave him/her alone for a while to process his/her feelings. He/she will probably let you know he/she is upset (even though tit might not show externally, he/she might just tell you, and it would help if you believed him/her), but trying to pester him/her with the problem even further will probably cause more agitation.


Don't try to "fix" your INTP. He/she is not broken, and if you try to "change him/her for the better," he/she will probably be more reluctant in having any sort of relationship with you. INTPs might be the least likely to ever try to change you, so please don't try to change your INTP.


Actions speak louder than words to an extent. If your actions go against your words, then your actions will be how your INTP judges you. If your actions go along with your words, then your words will have more power and speak louder to your INTP. Fear the INTPs intuition like a vampire fears daylight, if your actions were meant to decieve, you WILL be found out.


Romantic relationships are different. They are usually unchartered territory and don't come easy to an INTP. In fact, your INTP might be a little scared of them. Using his/her feeling side, letting his/her emotions take control or even sometimes just expressing them, will make your INTP feel quite vulnerable. Emotions are alogical, meaning they aren't logical or illogical, and some INTPs dismiss them alltogether as illogical. ****You can help be an influence on how an INTP views emotions.
Note: As INTPs mature they become better at expressing their emotions but they need to be taught that emotions are not something to fear. Remember an INTP learns by experience so to understand emotions are okay, your INTP needs to experience expressing their emotions without harm.

Some dos and don'ts of relationships with your INTP


-Do give your INTP time to respond. He/she has to analyze and decide what to say. A delayed response doesn't make the statement any less true. Time doesn't exist to an INTP. If he/she reaches an answer fast, the answer is no different if he/she waits an hour and then answers. Sometimes coming up with the answer takes him/her an hour. He/she will say it the second he/she figures it out, but you have to give him/her the time to work it out.
-Your INTP wants you to believe he/she can take care of themselves.
-When conflict happens and an INTP leaves, they are analyzing the conflict. Best to leave them alone.
-He/she needs alone time, let him/her have it.
-If your INTP comes to you with the problem, or really any problem, "I'm so sorry" isn't a great answer, though it's sweet and everything, we want answers or a chance to bounce ideas off.
-For optimum respect, do your research and help your INTP bounce ideas off of you.
-If your INTP continues to bring up other points in a discussion, do not continue to say the exact same thing or get angry at him/her. Please understand that he/she is just bringing up all possible views and it doesn't mean he/she is not listening to you or considering your input. he/she is, he/she just want to filter it and check it for validity.
-If your INTP criticizes something you do, don't be offended. He/she is probably trying to help you.
-Tell your INTP if they did something to hurt you.
-Don't lie even to spare feelings.
-Ask for your INTP's attention, do not interupt him/her.
-Do give him/her choices. INTPs are stubborn as hell if forced into something.
-Do listen to your INTP. Unlike INTJs, INTPs lack confidence. Your INTP will withdraw if he/she thinks you don't think what he/she is saying is important, and then he/she won't tell you anything because he/she won't know if it will be important to you or not. He/she will usually assume not.
-Do tell your INTP things. INTPs are great listeners and usually care about what you have to say.
-Answer your INTP's questions honestly. Failure to do so will hinder the chances of your INTP taking your seriously or trusting you.
-Your INTP may lack assertiveness, but don't think you can treat him/her as a doormat and get away with it.
-When your INTP makes something work and it does work, it means it is working whether or not you understand how it is working.
-Your INTP expects to expect nothing from you. Since INTPs are fair people he/she expects you to expect nothing of them in return.
-INTPs enjoy complex problems because simple problems are understood easily. Your INTP actually enjoys difficult problems.
-INTPs are not lazy, they are efficient....... and sometimes INTPs are lazy.
-If an INTP gives you advice, ignore at own peril.
-INTPs are weird, and your INTP may in fact derive pride from being perceived as such.
-Your INTP may not give a damn about you
-Think outside yourself.
-Your INTP may be long winded in explaining things, keep this in mind before you ask for an explination.
-Any argument can be ended with “Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries” XD
-“I don't know” is a valid answer and means just that from your INTP. Your INTP will also take this answer at face value.
-Be openminded.
-Sitting and staring blankly=/=stupidity.
-Distant=/=stupid.
-If all else fails, email your INTP. This is your surest form of communication.
-”I'll be fine if you leave me alone for a while” is a true statement. It also doesn't necissarily mean your INTP doesn't like you. He/she just wants to sort things out alone. This is how INTPs sort everything out.
-Don't tell your INTP you need something done “right now” so that he/she drops everything and does it if you didn't really need it done for another hour.
-If you refuse to answer questions, don't expect to become an INTP's friend.
-Do realize that a relationship with an INTP starts with the head and moves toward the heart.
-Do realize that if your INTP says he/she loves you, it's an extremely deep love. INTPs are extremely loyal but easily hurt do to carelessness. It's also a hard thing for him/her to say because he/she feels vulnerable
-Validity=/=repitition.
-Do realize that opening up is HARD. Especially to those with bad experieces. A lot of who an INTP is on the inside is just as much the scars he/she wears as it is his/her ideas.
-Don't be surprised if your INTP brings up things that were said a long time ago and incorperates them in a current conversation.
-Do realize that regardless of your INTPs initial response (especially an angry one) He/she can and will go back on it after some analyzation. INTPs value your oppinion but he/she has to filter it and check it for validity.
-Your INTP will not take your side in an argument based on friendship, if you are wrong, you are wrong. This doesn't mean you are no longer friends or your INTP thinks you are a bad person. You are just wrong. Don't make a big deal out of nothing.
-INTPs already know they are crazy. Your INTP may randomly blurt something out. This is normal.
-Do be available, don't be smothering. Let your INTP know that he/she can come to you, but don't demand him/her to all the time.
-Do explain things to your INTP. INTPs can learn to pick up on subtle hints, but being straightforward is always perfered.
-Remember your INTP isn't being cold or ignoring you just because they aren't talking. They enjoy silence from time to time.
-Manipulation for your own benefit will end the friendship with your INTP.


-Don't overexplain. That pisses INTPs off to no end. If you want something done, the best way is to tell your INTP “I want this done by this time” and let him/her decide when to do it. He/she WILL do it. He/she just has to be able to DECIDE to do it.
-Criticize actions and ideas, with a good point this could bring your INTP closer to you, but do not criticize character. Your INTP may have a fragile ego.
-Don't make assumptions or interpretations about your INTP's behaviour. Ask him/her questions about the meaning instead. If you see the behaviour again, do not attribute the same meaning your INTP gave you the last time.
-Statements such as “because I said so” or “I don't care I like it that way” may result in your INTP dismissing you.
-Don't pretend to be interested in what your INTP is interested in to gain favor or friendship.
-Don't try to to change your INTP.
-Don't ignore your INTP. He/she won't like it.
-Never impose beliefs on INTPs.
-Never tell your INTP his/her ideas are stupid.
-Never rush your INTP when he is on the toilet or in the shower. You will probably slow them down further because they will begin thinking about how stupid and pointless saying “hurry up” is.
-Don't play mind games with your INTP. Chances are you WILL be found out.
-Don't expect your to respond to physical compliments especially without a reason why. He/she won't believe it at first and usually doesn't care. If you really want to give him/her a compliment, tell him/her how competent or intellegent he/she is, but don't lie to him/her. If he/she doesn't believe it, he/she doesn't believe it. Your INTP will filter out most compliments to check them for validity.
-Don't force your INTP. Don't force anything on your INTP. If he/she doesn't have time to make the decision, even if it's something he/she'd normally want to do, he/she actively resist. Give choices, suggestions, and time to decide.
-Don't point out the obvious.
-Don't assume lack of feedback=negative feedback. It doesn't from an INTP. Again, your INTP needs time to filter his/her response.
-Don't inturupt your INTPs train of thought. This is the most annoying thing in the world. Emergencies are an exception.
-Your INTP will only do something if it is interesting or if he/she understands the reason behind it. Keep this in mind before asking something. INTPs usually don't mind helping.
-Don't plan every moment of your INTPs life. INTPs hate schedules.
--INTPs don't like being vulnerable and may have trouble expressing themselves.
-Don't lie to your INTP. INTPs absolutely loathe being lied to. Your INTP is searching for truth, lies only make that harder. Actually....
-Don't betray your INTP's trust. Realize that hurting your INTP hurts the people currently or in the future who care about him/her. INTPs withdraw when hurt and are burdened with the sense of impending failure. This means that someone else who cares about him/her might have to work harder to show your INTP that it is safe to open up/trust and all of that kind of stuff.
-short version of that, don't betray the trust of/hurt an INTP.
-Don't rush opening up. Especially if your INTP was hurt earlier on. The fact that he/she isn't opening up doesn't mean he/she doesn't care about you. When your INTP does open up, listen or he/she won't do it anymore. Simply because he/she won't believe you want to know.
-Don't ever doubt that your INTP cares about you. If he/she has said it, it holds true forever. Some INTPs have learned that we need to repeat it for it to continue to hold validity, but you do need to let your INTP know you like being reminded.
-Don't demand too much. A lot of relationships with INTPs end from the other person demanding constant attention or compliments. You won't get that from an INTP.
-Don't ever call your INTP negative. Yes, he/she comes off as negative quite a bit, but in his/her mind he/she is being realistic and looking at all the possibilities.
- Your INTP isn't rejecting what you are saying. When he/she plays the devil's advocate, he/she is looking at all possible angles. Believe it or not, you are helping your INTP see these perspectives a lot easier and helping him/her make more informed decisions.
-Don't ask if you don't want an honest answer. Yes, those jeans make you look fat. Actually the fact that you are fat makes you look fat. Your INTP will probably not be that harsh but if you ask, we are going to answer truthfully. Honesty means a lot to us.
-Stupid questions to your INTP will get stupid/sarcastic responses out of your INTP.
-Don't assume all of these things are true for all INTPs

-NEVER tell your INTP that he/she MUST do anything. He/she doesn't HAVE to do anything, not eat, drink, mow the lawn, or sleep. The only thing your INTP MUST do is die.

Questions? Comments? Concerns? Chagnes? Additions?

I might never go back to it again. Feel free to take it and edit it as you see fit in your own word document. :D :phear:
 

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Alright so I went back over it and added stuff from this thread. Here's what I have so far. Opinions please: Warning long.

INTP interaction manual

This is a guide to the friends and family of INTPs so that you can have an easier time understanding where your INTP is coming from and his/her actions. Since INTPs are introverted thinkers, most don't have the easiest time expressing these things out loud. INTPs can hard for other types to understand. With this guide, we, a bunch of INTPs, hope to help make smoother interactions with us. Since INTPs are said to only make up 2% of the population, you don't really meet us that often so you don't know how to react. Before we start, disregard everything you thought you knew about people and personal interactions.


Warning: Modifying your behaviour as a result of reading this for the purpose of manipulation will result in further loss of respect from your INTP.


Here are some things to remember.


Your INTP is an introvert:


This means he/she will go into her head a lot. A common representation is your absent minded professor. Your INTP will go into his/her head so often that he/she will probably forget what he/she is doing a lot. Unless you have asked about an area of interest, you shouldn't expect him/her to talk too much; especially if you aren't one of his/her close friends.


Unlike extroverts, he/she might not have too many friends. Some INTPs have lots of aqauntinces, but not too many close friends. Some INTPs really like certain people, but he/she will rarely let anyone know who he/she is. He/she also won't like being surrrounded by people much, so he/she won't go to many parties. Most INTPs catch early on that they are different. Most INTPs also develop strong trust issues. So if he/she are letting you in, take it as a compliment because he/she probably won't do it often. You also should realize you aren't going to always like what you hear.


Generally, we are smart:
We say generally because Myers-Briggs isn't about intellegence. Most of us hate the NT superiority complex. It's more accurate to say that an INTP's main goal is to understand, and his/her preferances generally cause a higher focus rate than any other type. This causes your INTP to appear intellegent because he/she will look up lots of things and his/her logic will be at a very high level. INTPs analyze everything. Some INTPs call focusing being “in the zone.” If your INTP finds something that sparks his/her interest, he/she can go at it for hours until he/she has figured it out. He/she might skip meals if it's consuming him/her enough. INTPs don't like to be interupted from these spurts of interest, and just because he/she is interested in something, doesn't mean he/she will finish the project. In fact, after it's been fully analyzed, and understood, INTPs don't care about it anymore. INTPs have a million good ideas and a thousand unfinished projects.


INTPs are also procrastinators. Your INTP will hate schedules and dead lines due to his/her P function. This is one of the things that seperate him/her from an INTJ, INTPs are unlikely to follow deadlines. If your INTP doesn't care about something, he/she probably isn't going to do it, or he/she will do the bare minimum; however, an INTP's standards are very high so when he/she does the bare minimum, it tends to be pretty high quality. You know that lazy quiet genius in the back of the class? The one the teacher screams “If you'd actually try, you could do really well!” at? That tends to be an INTP. (Though ENTPs tend to have this quality too.)


We generally lack confidence:
In the original description, it was said that the NT function, which causes a person to strive for competence mixes with the open-endedness of the P function to cause a lack of confidence in INTPs. In simpiler terms, your INTP wants to be competent in things but his/her P function causes him/her to see infinite possibilities that he/she is wrong. Though knowledge of a subject may cause him/her to appear arrogant at times, an INTP rarely truly is. Your INTP is more likely to believe that he/she is not competent enough almost ever. An INTP hold pretty high standards that he/she can't even reach and he/she will judge him/herself far more harshly than he/she will judge anyone else. Other people are expected to make mistakes, and those mistakes can be criticized but if your INTP makes a mistake in an area of interest, it attacks his/her very core. The idea that he/she can fail and it's extremely possible for him/her to fail, is terrifying and something he/she will wrestle with on a regular basis. This is why he/she may actually rarely give him/herself enough credit and may give others too much.


INTP Goals:
An INTP goes through life trying to understand things. INTPs want to understand as much as possible. An INTP does this by analyzing. Your INTP will analyze constantly. The world exists to be analyzed and understood for him/her. His/her head may always be buzzing with some new theory. INTPs believe the right knowledge at the right time can prevent any error. Your INTP's ultimate goal is to gain knowledge and understand. He/she will ask a lot of questions. Usually, the questions that make you go “WHO CARES?” but if he/she asked, then he/she does.


Your INTP is going to ask you questions. They do this to bounce ideas off you or because they are having trouble figuring it out. They are also testing their theories in real time. Give your answers honestly and don't give an answer just to give an answer. Your INTP will not look down on you if you don't know the answer. They will look down on you if you are dishonest and probably won't trust you. If you refuse to answer his/her questions, don't expect to be your INTP's friend.


When an INTP figures something out, they consider it to be a truth. They are very careful about how this truth is expressed, but since the feeling is the least developed, they may be longwinded and explanitory. They want to make sure they are accurate. Let them know if they are explaining too much.


Most of the time, he/she will be extremely quiet. Your INTP wants to observe as much as possible. This causes him/her to appear detached. Most of the time your INTP probably is pretty detached, and often he/she wants to be. An INTP is usually happy is a position where he/she can quitely observe until someone violates one of our principles or make an incorrect statement.


INTPs think:
INTPs absolutely LOVE logic. INTPs are extremely logical people. The best way of convincing your INTP to do anything is to give him/her a logical reason. An INTP can't argue with logic, and if you disregard a logical solution, your INTP is probably going to lose a little respect for you. As much as an INTP hates being illogical, he/she will tend to love being nonsensical. Logical nonsense is some of the most fun an INTP has with others.


Since INTPs are almost always thinking, waking up in the middle of the night to write down ideas is normal and not something to be complained about. Ideas come and go and INTPs are forgetful people. Most INTPs also spend a great deal of time on the computer researching and posting on forums. The computer gives them a voice they might not have because they can formulate their ideas before sending them out. When communcating on the computer with an INTP, practicing basic grammar is prefered and make sure to be thoughtful with your words.


INTPs have a very clever and warped sense of humor. An INTP tends to be the only ones laughing at his/her jokes because they either take a double summersault of imagination, are silly puns/alliteration/oxymorons, or they go way over other people's heads. INTPs are cynics and sarcastic, usually laughing at some random thought in his/her head. If asked and he/she says “Nevermind” he/she probably doesn't think you will get it or that it will take too much energy to explain. He/she is usually right too, because he/she learned from experience.


Your INTP will learn from experiences as far as social interactions and handling emotions go. Putting him/her in uncomfortable situations that he/she end up learning from, usually causes him/her to thank you later; however, the last thing you want to do is force him/her into anything. He/she will become extremely stubborn if forced because if he/she hasn't had time to make the decision on his/her own, his/her independent nature will fight it furiously. Give your INTP time to analyze.


It's Never Too Precise! (INTP get it?)


INTPs can be quite annoying when he/she corrects grammer. Though most of the time, he/she realizes you don't care. You jerks! (Just kidding) Usually corrections will only come when speaking to him/her. Now if you attack one of your INTP's principles, he/she will attack. His/her words become swords and he/she has the ability to cut deep, usually immediately disarming the person. There's almost always a bite because he/she can't hide that the attack makes him/her think you are stupid. This causes a lot of these kind of fights to quickly become physical ones. If your INTP doesn't learn to control his/her words, he/she can unintentionally hurt everybody. Since his/her feeling side is the least developed, he/she is unaware, and/or doesn't care. An ignorant statement will cause him/her to correct you or at least be sorely tempted to. Another goal of INTPs is to provide clarity. He/she will often suspect he/she ais the only one who can do so. If your INTP corrects you, don't take it personally. He/she usually means no harm, he/she is just providing clarity. This does not mean your INTP likes you any less or is no longer friends with you. It means you made an incorrect statement that he/she caught.




INTPs are oblivious.


INTPs don't care about outside appearences, and have been called the least demanding of all types in relationships. This makes living with your INTP pretty easy except for a common problem: the routine work of cleaning doesn't usually appeal to him/her. When an INTP live alone, there aren't many decorations. He/she has basic utilities and technology and will be happy with that alone. It is common for a corner to be filled with a pile of stuff. That pile is actually invisible to your INTP. If he/she sets something down because he/she don't need it, and aforementioned item doesn't move for 48 hours, it will become invisible to your INTP. The value of an item will depend on it's usefulness.


*It should be noted that your INTP can learn to tidy up when living with a family, and this is not a problem because he/she will treat it as systematic work. If not forced to clean, he/she will eventually do it on his/her own when things get in the way.


INTPs are remarkably oblivious. If your INTP enters a new place, he/she cares about the ambiance of it, not the actual details. In fact, the only things he/she will notice are things he/she is interested in, anything else needs to be pointed out to him/her. He/she may not be able to tell you anything about the appearance of a person he/she talks to on a regular basis. INTPs have been known to get a friend's hair color wrong after knowing them for 2 years. Okay, it's usually not THAT extreme, but INTPs usually can't tell you what shirt aforementioned person was wearing two minutes after talking to them.


Time doesn't exist to an INTP. Your INTP will probably bring up something you said a week earlier and expand on it now. He/she may even use it in an argument. When an INTP says something, it remains true he/she says otherwise. Your INTP will assume the same from you. This is partially because of the P function being adaptive. Sometimes coming up with answers takes some time but because the INTP has adapted and given themselves the time they need to come up with an answer, the answer is honest regardless of when it comes out.


INTPs are firm believers in principles; however, this does not mean they follow all the rules. Obviously a rule that violates a principle will not be followed. Also the principle that rules are just attempts to make principles black and white will cause some INTPs to break rules. For example, telling your INTP “Do not procrastinate, you will never get things done well” will cause the INTP to further procrastinate simply to show you the principle of quality not coming from the time spent on a project.


Wandering around alone muttering to his/herself is very normal behaviour. Fe users of any kind have the ability to create interactions in their head. It's similar to imaginary friends that don't leave our head. Your INTP is making his monologue a dialogue in order to more effeciently run his/her thoughts on whatever subject they are going through. His/her Ne is showing him/her lots of possibilities and sometimes it's easier to shift through them by talking to his/herself as if there were two of him/her.


INTPs are harmless:


In contrast, your INTP remember almost everything you tell him/her. Knowledge and ideas are extremely important to him/her. Everything he/she says, he/she considers important, so not listening to him/her will hurt him/her. The last thing your INTP wants to do is upset anybody they respect (unless of course they violate one of his/her principles) and he/she is probably a great listener. So if he/she see something is wrong, and asks about it, don't tell him/her “Nothing”. If you do, your INTP will understand that you don't want to talk about it, but he/she will speculate on what happened and usually come to the conclusion that he/she did something wrong to upset you. This may also cause him/her to withdraw to avoid upsetting you further. So a better response may be “I don't want to talk about it,” and maybe something about it being unrelated to what's going on now. This may or may not cause us to think it's our fault still, but it's less likely. ****You have to be very straightforward with your INTP.
Note:This may not apply if we know you pretty well. This is because we start to recognize your common emotions.


This is the most hypocritical thing, but your INTP will say “nothing” when asked what's wrong quite a bit too. Again, your INTP doesn't want to upset anybody he/she respects/cares about, and he/she doesn't open up easily; however, if he/she says “I'm just thinking” then there is truly nothing wrong, he/she is just thinking. Some INTPs love being asked “What about?” but a lot of the time, he/she is trying to figure it out and interrupting his/her train of thought further will annoy him/her. If you do ask what your INTP is thinking about, he/she will note that you are interested and maybe a few minutes later, he/she will begin telling you. If you aren't that interested, or your INTP seems to be making it too complicated, tell him/her. BE STRAIGHTFORWARD. He/she won't get offended most of the time. If you really want to avoid offending him/her, ask for the basic details. Don't be afraid to ask questions, INTPs usually love getting a new prespective and ****always love discussion.


Note: INTPs want substance in their discussions. Your INTP won't appreciate small talk.


An INTP's feeling side is the least developed.:


When talking to your INTP, the underdeveloped feeling is a good thing to keep in mind. This means that emotions are the most draining part of them. Your INTP has emotions like everyone else but when he/she expresses them, you will notice that the emotions come out almost childishly. If you tell your INTP an emotional story, chances are you won't get a sympathy discussion. Your INTP is going to look at the situation logically and give you logical solutions. This is the only way he/she knows how to help a person and this can be frustrating to both parties.


The underdeveloped feeling also means facial expression is not a good indicator of mood. It is a good idea to recognize your INTP's “default” expression. Until your INTP really thinks about it, he/she usually can't tell you how he/she is feeling. Emotions are messy and get in the way of the objective thinking your INTP is trying to achieve. So questions like “Are you alright?” are usually annoying or at least confusing.


This also means some INTPs have trouble reading body language. Though experience can teach us what these subtle hints mean, INTPs prefer for you be straightforward. Ask your INTP directly and they will probably give it to you as far as that's possible.


INTPs like to debate. Your INTP will play the devil's advocate. This is because his/her Ne is trying to see all points of view. It does not mean he/she isn't listening to you. On the contrary, it means he/she wants you to back up your point. INTPs never take an opinion based on authority. Everyone is going to be scrutinized equally including his/herself. Don't take offense or get your feelings hurt by something said in a debate. You will at the very least confuse your INTP and at worst discourage him/her to the point of withdrawl.


This also means that if you are interested in forming a romantic relationship with an INTP. Tell them. Most INTPs aren't great on picking up subtle hints but this is more true in romance than anything else. Once again you have to be very straightforward.


INTPs will have a lot of trouble expressing emotions. Words cannot convey emotions for INTPs. Most INTPs use music or art or photography to express their emotions. INTPs can't listen to music to change their mood, instead they listen to music that goes with how they feel. Part of this is that INTPs view emotions as somewhat unchangable.


INTPs and relationships:
Friendships with INTPs depend on you. They also depend on what your INTPs intuition says about you. Trust rarely happens immediately, and always must be earned. Usually your INTP will resemble a chameleon when talking with people. He/she will mimic your mood. A jolly person will bring him/her out of his/her shell as much as that is possible, and a serious person will find a serious INTP staring back at them. Close friends may notice this when your INTP is telling you that he/she is upset, but then a jolly person comes along and start making jokes, and suddenly, it seems your INTP has changed moods completely. This stems from his/her want to understand. He/she is trying to get in the mind of the other person to understand them and decide something about them like their intentions for example. If you notice your INTP doing this with you, be flattered, you are the focus of his/her busy mind.


If you do something that hurts your INTP, or if your INTP is upset or angry, it's best to leave him/her alone for a while to process his/her feelings. He/she will probably let you know he/she is upset (even though tit might not show externally, he/she might just tell you, and it would help if you believed him/her), but trying to pester him/her with the problem even further will probably cause more agitation.


Don't try to "fix" your INTP. He/she is not broken, and if you try to "change him/her for the better," he/she will probably be more reluctant in having any sort of relationship with you. INTPs might be the least likely to ever try to change you, so please don't try to change your INTP.


Actions speak louder than words to an extent. If your actions go against your words, then your actions will be how your INTP judges you. If your actions go along with your words, then your words will have more power and speak louder to your INTP. Fear the INTPs intuition like a vampire fears daylight, if your actions were meant to decieve, you WILL be found out.


Romantic relationships are different. They are usually unchartered territory and don't come easy to an INTP. In fact, your INTP might be a little scared of them. Using his/her feeling side, letting his/her emotions take control or even sometimes just expressing them, will make your INTP feel quite vulnerable. Emotions are alogical, meaning they aren't logical or illogical, and some INTPs dismiss them alltogether as illogical. ****You can help be an influence on how an INTP views emotions.
Note: As INTPs mature they become better at expressing their emotions but they need to be taught that emotions are not something to fear. Remember an INTP learns by experience so to understand emotions are okay, your INTP needs to experience expressing their emotions without harm.

Some dos and don'ts of relationships with your INTP


-Do give your INTP time to respond. He/she has to analyze and decide what to say. A delayed response doesn't make the statement any less true. Time doesn't exist to an INTP. If he/she reaches an answer fast, the answer is no different if he/she waits an hour and then answers. Sometimes coming up with the answer takes him/her an hour. He/she will say it the second he/she figures it out, but you have to give him/her the time to work it out.
-Your INTP wants you to believe he/she can take care of themselves.
-When conflict happens and an INTP leaves, they are analyzing the conflict. Best to leave them alone.
-He/she needs alone time, let him/her have it.
-If your INTP comes to you with the problem, or really any problem, "I'm so sorry" isn't a great answer, though it's sweet and everything, we want answers or a chance to bounce ideas off.
-For optimum respect, do your research and help your INTP bounce ideas off of you.
-If your INTP continues to bring up other points in a discussion, do not continue to say the exact same thing or get angry at him/her. Please understand that he/she is just bringing up all possible views and it doesn't mean he/she is not listening to you or considering your input. he/she is, he/she just want to filter it and check it for validity.
-If your INTP criticizes something you do, don't be offended. He/she is probably trying to help you.
-Tell your INTP if they did something to hurt you.
-Don't lie even to spare feelings.
-Ask for your INTP's attention, do not interupt him/her.
-Do give him/her choices. INTPs are stubborn as hell if forced into something.
-Do listen to your INTP. Unlike INTJs, INTPs lack confidence. Your INTP will withdraw if he/she thinks you don't think what he/she is saying is important, and then he/she won't tell you anything because he/she won't know if it will be important to you or not. He/she will usually assume not.
-Do tell your INTP things. INTPs are great listeners and usually care about what you have to say.
-Answer your INTP's questions honestly. Failure to do so will hinder the chances of your INTP taking your seriously or trusting you.
-Your INTP may lack assertiveness, but don't think you can treat him/her as a doormat and get away with it.
-When your INTP makes something work and it does work, it means it is working whether or not you understand how it is working.
-Your INTP expects to expect nothing from you. Since INTPs are fair people he/she expects you to expect nothing of them in return.
-INTPs enjoy complex problems because simple problems are understood easily. Your INTP actually enjoys difficult problems.
-INTPs are not lazy, they are efficient....... and sometimes INTPs are lazy.
-If an INTP gives you advice, ignore at own peril.
-INTPs are weird, and your INTP may in fact derive pride from being perceived as such.
-Your INTP may not give a damn about you
-Think outside yourself.
-Your INTP may be long winded in explaining things, keep this in mind before you ask for an explination.
-Any argument can be ended with “Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries” XD
-“I don't know” is a valid answer and means just that from your INTP. Your INTP will also take this answer at face value.
-Be openminded.
-Sitting and staring blankly=/=stupidity.
-Distant=/=stupid.
-If all else fails, email your INTP. This is your surest form of communication.
-”I'll be fine if you leave me alone for a while” is a true statement. It also doesn't necissarily mean your INTP doesn't like you. He/she just wants to sort things out alone. This is how INTPs sort everything out.
-Don't tell your INTP you need something done “right now” so that he/she drops everything and does it if you didn't really need it done for another hour.
-If you refuse to answer questions, don't expect to become an INTP's friend.
-Do realize that a relationship with an INTP starts with the head and moves toward the heart.
-Do realize that if your INTP says he/she loves you, it's an extremely deep love. INTPs are extremely loyal but easily hurt do to carelessness. It's also a hard thing for him/her to say because he/she feels vulnerable
-Validity=/=repitition.
-Do realize that opening up is HARD. Especially to those with bad experieces. A lot of who an INTP is on the inside is just as much the scars he/she wears as it is his/her ideas.
-Don't be surprised if your INTP brings up things that were said a long time ago and incorperates them in a current conversation.
-Do realize that regardless of your INTPs initial response (especially an angry one) He/she can and will go back on it after some analyzation. INTPs value your oppinion but he/she has to filter it and check it for validity.
-Your INTP will not take your side in an argument based on friendship, if you are wrong, you are wrong. This doesn't mean you are no longer friends or your INTP thinks you are a bad person. You are just wrong. Don't make a big deal out of nothing.
-INTPs already know they are crazy. Your INTP may randomly blurt something out. This is normal.
-Do be available, don't be smothering. Let your INTP know that he/she can come to you, but don't demand him/her to all the time.
-Do explain things to your INTP. INTPs can learn to pick up on subtle hints, but being straightforward is always perfered.
-Remember your INTP isn't being cold or ignoring you just because they aren't talking. They enjoy silence from time to time.
-Manipulation for your own benefit will end the friendship with your INTP.


-Don't overexplain. That pisses INTPs off to no end. If you want something done, the best way is to tell your INTP “I want this done by this time” and let him/her decide when to do it. He/she WILL do it. He/she just has to be able to DECIDE to do it.
-Criticize actions and ideas, with a good point this could bring your INTP closer to you, but do not criticize character. Your INTP may have a fragile ego.
-Don't make assumptions or interpretations about your INTP's behaviour. Ask him/her questions about the meaning instead. If you see the behaviour again, do not attribute the same meaning your INTP gave you the last time.
-Statements such as “because I said so” or “I don't care I like it that way” may result in your INTP dismissing you.
-Don't pretend to be interested in what your INTP is interested in to gain favor or friendship.
-Don't try to to change your INTP.
-Don't ignore your INTP. He/she won't like it.
-Never impose beliefs on INTPs.
-Never tell your INTP his/her ideas are stupid.
-Never rush your INTP when he is on the toilet or in the shower. You will probably slow them down further because they will begin thinking about how stupid and pointless saying “hurry up” is.
-Don't play mind games with your INTP. Chances are you WILL be found out.
-Don't expect your to respond to physical compliments especially without a reason why. He/she won't believe it at first and usually doesn't care. If you really want to give him/her a compliment, tell him/her how competent or intellegent he/she is, but don't lie to him/her. If he/she doesn't believe it, he/she doesn't believe it. Your INTP will filter out most compliments to check them for validity.
-Don't force your INTP. Don't force anything on your INTP. If he/she doesn't have time to make the decision, even if it's something he/she'd normally want to do, he/she actively resist. Give choices, suggestions, and time to decide.
-Don't point out the obvious.
-Don't assume lack of feedback=negative feedback. It doesn't from an INTP. Again, your INTP needs time to filter his/her response.
-Don't inturupt your INTPs train of thought. This is the most annoying thing in the world. Emergencies are an exception.
-Your INTP will only do something if it is interesting or if he/she understands the reason behind it. Keep this in mind before asking something. INTPs usually don't mind helping.
-Don't plan every moment of your INTPs life. INTPs hate schedules.
--INTPs don't like being vulnerable and may have trouble expressing themselves.
-Don't lie to your INTP. INTPs absolutely loathe being lied to. Your INTP is searching for truth, lies only make that harder. Actually....
-Don't betray your INTP's trust. Realize that hurting your INTP hurts the people currently or in the future who care about him/her. INTPs withdraw when hurt and are burdened with the sense of impending failure. This means that someone else who cares about him/her might have to work harder to show your INTP that it is safe to open up/trust and all of that kind of stuff.
-short version of that, don't betray the trust of/hurt an INTP.
-Don't rush opening up. Especially if your INTP was hurt earlier on. The fact that he/she isn't opening up doesn't mean he/she doesn't care about you. When your INTP does open up, listen or he/she won't do it anymore. Simply because he/she won't believe you want to know.
-Don't ever doubt that your INTP cares about you. If he/she has said it, it holds true forever. Some INTPs have learned that we need to repeat it for it to continue to hold validity, but you do need to let your INTP know you like being reminded.
-Don't demand too much. A lot of relationships with INTPs end from the other person demanding constant attention or compliments. You won't get that from an INTP.
-Don't ever call your INTP negative. Yes, he/she comes off as negative quite a bit, but in his/her mind he/she is being realistic and looking at all the possibilities.
- Your INTP isn't rejecting what you are saying. When he/she plays the devil's advocate, he/she is looking at all possible angles. Believe it or not, you are helping your INTP see these perspectives a lot easier and helping him/her make more informed decisions.
-Don't ask if you don't want an honest answer. Yes, those jeans make you look fat. Actually the fact that you are fat makes you look fat. Your INTP will probably not be that harsh but if you ask, we are going to answer truthfully. Honesty means a lot to us.
-Stupid questions to your INTP will get stupid/sarcastic responses out of your INTP.
-Don't assume all of these things are true for all INTPs

-NEVER tell your INTP that he/she MUST do anything. He/she doesn't HAVE to do anything, not eat, drink, mow the lawn, or sleep. The only thing your INTP MUST do is die.

Questions? Comments? Concerns? Chagnes? Additions?

I might never go back to it again. Feel free to take it and edit it as you see fit in your own word document. :D :phear:
I haven't read the whole thing, but what I have, I like. I will read through it and maybe add/change a few things.
 

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This is a guide to the friends and family of INTPs so that you can have an easier time understanding where your INTP is coming from and his/her actions. Since INTPs are introverted thinkers, most don't have the easiest time expressing these things out loud.

What things?


Before we start, disregard everything you thought you knew about people and personal interactions.

Why?


Warning: Modifying your behaviour as a result of reading this for the purpose of manipulation will result in further loss of respect from your INTP.

I don't think that's a very good formulation. If you're trying to manipulate someone, you only want his respect while you, well, manipulate him or her. A better phrasing would be "Warning: INTPs value authenticity even more than most other people so following these guidelines just to appeal to an INTP will most likely not result in any satisfactory conclusion for anyone involved."
Though it's still kind of redundant because I have yet to meet someone who says that he or she doesn't like inauthenticity, no matter how hypocritical it may be.


Your INTP is an introvert:


This means he/she will go into her head a lot. A common representation is your absent minded professor. Your INTP will go into his/her head so often that he/she will probably forget what he/she is doing a lot. Unless you have asked about an area of interest, you shouldn't expect him/her to talk too much; especially if you aren't one of his/her close friends.

That seems like an awful way to begin an introvert description. It sounds more like someone who borders on being mentally retarded.
First and foremost, being introverted means to have a lowered desire for being involved in social situations and they rather spend time on their own.
Introversion does not equal shyness or social anxiety. Nothing stops the INTP from having great social skills although it is even less common for them than for types with tertiary feeling function.


Unlike extroverts, he/she might not have too many friends. Some INTPs have lots of aqauntinces, but not too many close friends. Some INTPs really like certain people, but he/she will rarely let anyone know who he/she is. He/she also won't like being surrrounded by people much, so he/she won't go to many parties. Most INTPs catch early on that they are different.

Fair enough. The point here is that you shouldn't force the INTP to participate in social situations. Or any other introverted type, for that matter.


Most INTPs also develop strong trust issues.

What does that even mean? I don't think it's very wise to just throw that line in without any kind of explanation.


So if he/she are letting you in, take it as a compliment because he/she probably won't do it often.

Wait, what? What's the connection to the previous sentence? If I want to visit an INTP, he or she might refuse to open the door out of paranoia?
I don't get it.


You also should realize you aren't going to always like what you hear.

That seems just like a cheap excuse for future douchebaggery. The key word here is directness.


Generally, we are smart:
We say generally because Myers-Briggs isn't about intellegence. Most of us hate the NT superiority complex.

That part is a catastrophe.

It's more accurate to say that an INTP's main goal is to understand,

Okay.


and his/her preferances generally cause a higher focus rate than any other type.

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This causes your INTP to appear intellegent because he/she will look up lots of things and his/her logic will be at a very high level.
causes your INTP to appear intellegent because he/she will look up lots of things and his/her logic will
your INTP to appear intellegent because he/she will look up lots of things and
INTP to appear intellegent because he/she will look
appear intellegent

Come on.


INTPs analyze everything.

Agreed.


Some INTPs call focusing being “in the zone.”

Who? And what does that even mean? I don't think I ever read that here in this forum. Not to mention that it sounds like someone has watched Stalker too often.


If your INTP finds something that sparks his/her interest, he/she can go at it for hours until he/she has figured it out.

I don't think that this trait is limited to INTPs.


He/she might skip meals if it's consuming him/her enough.

Huh?


INTPs don't like to be interupted from these spurts of interest, and just because he/she is interested in something, doesn't mean he/she will finish the project.

That sounds really vague.


In fact, after it's been fully analyzed, and understood, INTPs don't care about it anymore. INTPs have a million good ideas and a thousand unfinished projects.

That seems more like someone's attempt to disguise his lazyness as something else to sound less negative.
I'm very unhappy with this formulation.


INTPs are also procrastinators. Your INTP will hate schedules and dead lines due to his/her P function.

Due to the P function?! That's an awful statement demonstrates a lack of basic MBTI knowledge.
I really hate this kind of type fatalism. At least you didn't say that INTPs procrastinate because society is to blame.


INTPs are unlikely to follow deadlines.

Okay.


If your INTP doesn't care about something, he/she probably isn't going to do it, or he/she will do the bare minimum; however, an INTP's standards are very high so when he/she does the bare minimum, it tends to be pretty high quality. You know that lazy quiet genius in the back of the class? The one the teacher screams “If you'd actually try, you could do really well!” at? That tends to be an INTP. (Though ENTPs tend to have this quality too.)

Do I really have to point out how ridiculous that quoted part is? Not only implies it that every INTP in existence is a genius but also that they are holding their true capabilities back all the fucking time.
No wonder that you guys have self-esteem issues and all kinds of superiority and inferiority complexes when you actually believe that INTP equals genius.


We generally lack confidence:

You declared INTPs to be smarter than any other type and then you say that INTPs lack confidence. That does not compute.


In the original description, it was said that the NT function, which causes a person to strive for competence mixes with the open-endedness of the P function to cause a lack of confidence in INTPs.

What original description? Also, there is no such thing as a NT function. I know what you mean with that but every person who doesn't know about MBTI will be highly confused by the implied existence of a NT function.
And how do striving for competence and being a Perceiver automatically result in a low self-confidence?


In simpiler terms, your INTP wants to be competent in things but his/her P function causes him/her to see infinite possibilities that he/she is wrong.

What does that even mean?


Though knowledge of a subject may cause him/her to appear arrogant at times, an INTP rarely truly is.

While this might be true, it doesn't compute with what you said before where you implied that all INTPs are geniuses while bringing them in the convenient position to never have to justify this status because when they don't appear as genius, they simply don't care enough about the issue, no?



Your INTP is more likely to believe that he/she is not competent enough almost ever.

Fair enough.


An INTP hold pretty high standards that he/she can't even reach and he/she will judge him/herself far more harshly than he/she will judge anyone else.

That is valid for a lot of types.


Other people are expected to make mistakes, and those mistakes can be criticized but if your INTP makes a mistake in an area of interest, it attacks his/her very core.

That's an odd formulation. INTPs are simply very easy to hurt when you attack the essence of their striving for competence: their intellect, their expertise.
Naturally, this is also valid for a lot of types but the point here is that this is pretty much the only way to hurt them personally.


The idea that he/she can fail and it's extremely possible for him/her to fail, is terrifying and something he/she will wrestle with on a regular basis.

Same what I wrote at the beginning about your description of introversion: this sounds more like someone who really is neurotic. While the point might be valid, the phrasing is way too drastic.


This is why he/she may actually rarely give him/herself enough credit and may give others too much.

Okay.

INTP Goals:

INTPs being goal-oriented sounds not only terribly wrong in my ears it also collied with some of your previous statements.


An INTP goes through life trying to understand things. INTPs want to understand as much as possible. An INTP does this by analyzing. Your INTP will analyze constantly. The world exists to be analyzed and understood for him/her. His/her head may always be buzzing with some new theory. INTPs believe the right knowledge at the right time can prevent any error. Your INTP's ultimate goal is to gain knowledge and understand. He/she will ask a lot of questions. Usually, the questions that make you go “WHO CARES?” but if he/she asked, then he/she does.

It makes a lot more sense when you replace goal with modus operandi.


Your INTP is going to ask you questions.

While INTPs are very curious individuals (which, again, is by far not limited to INTPs) I don't remember them to ask people more questions than any other type.
Except when we talk about young INTPs or when it comes to a field of their expertise.


They do this to bounce ideas off you or because they are having trouble figuring it out.

Figuring what out? What does that sentence mean?


They are also testing their theories in real time.

What does that even mean?


Give your answers honestly and don't give an answer just to give an answer.

Okay.


Your INTP will not look down on you if you don't know the answer. They will look down on you if you are dishonest and probably won't trust you.

INTPs won't trust people who they believe to be dishonest? That seems like an redundant statement.


If you refuse to answer his/her questions, don't expect to be your INTP's friend.

That appears to be a very dubious assertion. I always thought of INTPs to be people who respect the privacy of others because they want them to respect their own privacy as well.


When an INTP figures something out, they consider it to be a truth. They are very careful about how this truth is expressed, but since the feeling is the least developed, they may be longwinded and explanitory. They want to make sure they are accurate. Let them know if they are explaining too much.

Essentially correct but you make it sound like the INTP sees what he figures out to be the absolute truth which I don't believe to be true.


Most of the time, he/she will be extremely quiet. Your INTP wants to observe as much as possible. This causes him/her to appear detached. Most of the time your INTP probably is pretty detached, and often he/she wants to be. An INTP is usually happy is a position where he/she can quitely observe until someone violates one of our principles or make an incorrect statement.

Very clunky formulation. Detachment is one of the best words to describe the essence of what it means to be INTP. Note that this detachment is universal and they can't really choose to be less detached which is why INTPs often are described as schizoid or schizotypal.


INTPs think:
INTPs absolutely LOVE logic. INTPs are extremely logical people. The best way of convincing your INTP to do anything is to give him/her a logical reason. An INTP can't argue with logic, and if you disregard a logical solution, your INTP is probably going to lose a little respect for you. As much as an INTP hates being illogical, he/she will tend to love being nonsensical. Logical nonsense is some of the most fun an INTP has with others.

I don't think you really know what logic actually is.


Since INTPs are almost always thinking, waking up in the middle of the night to write down ideas is normal and not something to be complained about. Ideas come and go and INTPs are forgetful people. Most INTPs also spend a great deal of time on the computer researching and posting on forums. The computer gives them a voice they might not have because they can formulate their ideas before sending them out. When communcating on the computer with an INTP, practicing basic grammar is prefered and make sure to be thoughtful with your words.

You forgot to add 'self-deprecating humour' to the list of INTP traits.


INTPs have a very clever and warped sense of humor. An INTP tends to be the only ones laughing at his/her jokes because they either take a double summersault of imagination, are silly puns/alliteration/oxymorons, or they go way over other people's heads. INTPs are cynics and sarcastic, usually laughing at some random thought in his/her head. If asked and he/she says “Nevermind” he/she probably doesn't think you will get it or that it will take too much energy to explain. He/she is usually right too, because he/she learned from experience.

That sounds more like a psychopath.


Your INTP will learn from experiences as far as social interactions and handling emotions go. Putting him/her in uncomfortable situations that he/she end up learning from, usually causes him/her to thank you later; however, the last thing you want to do is force him/her into anything. He/she will become extremely stubborn if forced because if he/she hasn't had time to make the decision on his/her own, his/her independent nature will fight it furiously. Give your INTP time to analyze.

Okay, that doesn't sound too wrong.


It's Never Too Precise! (INTP get it?)

Uhm, yeah.


INTPs can be quite annoying when he/she corrects grammer.

You gotta be... is this some kind of clever parody by now?


Though most of the time, he/she realizes you don't care. You jerks! (Just kidding) Usually corrections will only come when speaking to him/her. Now if you attack one of your INTP's principles, he/she will attack. His/her words become swords and he/she has the ability to cut deep, usually immediately disarming the person. There's almost always a bite because he/she can't hide that the attack makes him/her think you are stupid. This causes a lot of these kind of fights to quickly become physical ones. If your INTP doesn't learn to control his/her words, he/she can unintentionally hurt everybody. Since his/her feeling side is the least developed, he/she is unaware, and/or doesn't care. An ignorant statement will cause him/her to correct you or at least be sorely tempted to. Another goal of INTPs is to provide clarity. He/she will often suspect he/she ais the only one who can do so. If your INTP corrects you, don't take it personally. He/she usually means no harm, he/she is just providing clarity. This does not mean your INTP likes you any less or is no longer friends with you. It means you made an incorrect statement that he/she caught.

Seems about right. Though being a grammar nazi for no reason is not a good thing.


INTPs don't care about outside appearences, and have been called the least demanding of all types in relationships. This makes living with your INTP pretty easy except for a common problem: the routine work of cleaning doesn't usually appeal to him/her. When an INTP live alone, there aren't many decorations. He/she has basic utilities and technology and will be happy with that alone. It is common for a corner to be filled with a pile of stuff. That pile is actually invisible to your INTP. If he/she sets something down because he/she don't need it, and aforementioned item doesn't move for 48 hours, it will become invisible to your INTP. The value of an item will depend on it's usefulness.

A lot of this applies to other types as well, especially INTJs. The thought that a J equals cleanliness is nothing but a myth.


INTPs are remarkably oblivious. If your INTP enters a new place, he/she cares about the ambiance of it, not the actual details. In fact, the only things he/she will notice are things he/she is interested in, anything else needs to be pointed out to him/her. He/she may not be able to tell you anything about the appearance of a person he/she talks to on a regular basis. INTPs have been known to get a friend's hair color wrong after knowing them for 2 years. Okay, it's usually not THAT extreme, but INTPs usually can't tell you what shirt aforementioned person was wearing two minutes after talking to them.

That seem more like a common trait of N types.



Time doesn't exist to an INTP. Your INTP will probably bring up something you said a week earlier and expand on it now. He/she may even use it in an argument. When an INTP says something, it remains true he/she says otherwise. Your INTP will assume the same from you. This is partially because of the P function being adaptive. Sometimes coming up with answers takes some time but because the INTP has adapted and given themselves the time they need to come up with an answer, the answer is honest regardless of when it comes out.

Huh?


INTPs are firm believers in principles;

No they aren't.


however, this does not mean they follow all the rules. Obviously a rule that violates a principle will not be followed. Also the principle that rules are just attempts to make principles black and white will cause some INTPs to break rules. For example, telling your INTP “Do not procrastinate, you will never get things done well” will cause the INTP to further procrastinate simply to show you the principle of quality not coming from the time spent on a project.

So INTPs are basically all passive-aggressive?


Wandering around alone muttering to his/herself is very normal behaviour. Fe users of any kind have the ability to create interactions in their head. It's similar to imaginary friends that don't leave our head. Your INTP is making his monologue a dialogue in order to more effeciently run his/her thoughts on whatever subject they are going through. His/her Ne is showing him/her lots of possibilities and sometimes it's easier to shift through them by talking to his/herself as if there were two of him/her.

That sounds like INTPs all hear voices in their heads.


In contrast, your INTP remember almost everything you tell him/her. Knowledge and ideas are extremely important to him/her. Everything he/she says, he/she considers important, so not listening to him/her will hurt him/her. The last thing your INTP wants to do is upset anybody they respect (unless of course they violate one of his/her principles) and he/she is probably a great listener. So if he/she see something is wrong, and asks about it, don't tell him/her “Nothing”. If you do, your INTP will understand that you don't want to talk about it, but he/she will speculate on what happened and usually come to the conclusion that he/she did something wrong to upset you. This may also cause him/her to withdraw to avoid upsetting you further. So a better response may be “I don't want to talk about it,” and maybe something about it being unrelated to what's going on now. This may or may not cause us to think it's our fault still, but it's less likely. ****You have to be very straightforward with your INTP.
Note:This may not apply if we know you pretty well. This is because we start to recognize your common emotions.

This whole passage consists of commonplaces.


This is the most hypocritical thing, but your INTP will say “nothing” when asked what's wrong quite a bit too. Again, your INTP doesn't want to upset anybody he/she respects/cares about, and he/she doesn't open up easily; however, if he/she says “I'm just thinking” then there is truly nothing wrong, he/she is just thinking. Some INTPs love being asked “What about?” but a lot of the time, he/she is trying to figure it out and interrupting his/her train of thought further will annoy him/her. If you do ask what your INTP is thinking about, he/she will note that you are interested and maybe a few minutes later, he/she will begin telling you. If you aren't that interested, or your INTP seems to be making it too complicated, tell him/her. BE STRAIGHTFORWARD. He/she won't get offended most of the time. If you really want to avoid offending him/her, ask for the basic details. Don't be afraid to ask questions, INTPs usually love getting a new prespective and ****always love discussion.


Note: INTPs want substance in their discussions. Your INTP won't appreciate small talk.

Okay. Also a lot of commonplaces but at least it's not wrong.


When talking to your INTP, the underdeveloped feeling is a good thing to keep in mind. This means that emotions are the most draining part of them. Your INTP has emotions like everyone else but when he/she expresses them, you will notice that the emotions come out almost childishly. If you tell your INTP an emotional story, chances are you won't get a sympathy discussion. Your INTP is going to look at the situation logically and give you logical solutions. This is the only way he/she knows how to help a person and this can be frustrating to both parties.

You should replace logical with rational.



The underdeveloped feeling also means facial expression is not a good indicator of mood. It is a good idea to recognize your INTP's “default” expression. Until your INTP really thinks about it, he/she usually can't tell you how he/she is feeling. Emotions are messy and get in the way of the objective thinking your INTP is trying to achieve. So questions like “Are you alright?” are usually annoying or at least confusing.

This also means some INTPs have trouble reading body language. Though experience can teach us what these subtle hints mean, INTPs prefer for you be straightforward. Ask your INTP directly and they will probably give it to you as far as that's possible.

Okay.


INTPs like to debate. Your INTP will play the devil's advocate. This is because his/her Ne is trying to see all points of view. It does not mean he/she isn't listening to you. On the contrary, it means he/she wants you to back up your point. INTPs never take an opinion based on authority. Everyone is going to be scrutinized equally including his/herself. Don't take offense or get your feelings hurt by something said in a debate. You will at the very least confuse your INTP and at worst discourage him/her to the point of withdrawl.

I don't really see why someone would conclude that the INTP is not listening because he plays the devil's advocate but... yeah.


This also means that if you are interested in forming a romantic relationship with an INTP. Tell them. Most INTPs aren't great on picking up subtle hints but this is more true in romance than anything else. Once again you have to be very straightforward.

This is very true.


INTPs will have a lot of trouble expressing emotions. Words cannot convey emotions for INTPs. Most INTPs use music or art or photography to express their emotions. INTPs can't listen to music to change their mood, instead they listen to music that goes with how they feel. Part of this is that INTPs view emotions as somewhat unchangable.

"Music or art or photography" is very clunky but at least it's about right.


INTPs and relationships:
Friendships with INTPs depend on you. They also depend on what your INTPs intuition says about you. Trust rarely happens immediately, and always must be earned. Usually your INTP will resemble a chameleon when talking with people. He/she will mimic your mood. A jolly person will bring him/her out of his/her shell as much as that is possible, and a serious person will find a serious INTP staring back at them. Close friends may notice this when your INTP is telling you that he/she is upset, but then a jolly person comes along and start making jokes, and suddenly, it seems your INTP has changed moods completely. This stems from his/her want to understand. He/she is trying to get in the mind of the other person to understand them and decide something about them like their intentions for example. If you notice your INTP doing this with you, be flattered, you are the focus of his/her busy mind.

What? So any kind of relationship is my responsibility and even when the INTP actly like a complete idiot it's my fault? From this statement I hear the same kind of arrogance I adressed before in the part about INTPs being geniuses. You make it sound like the average INTP thinks everyone else is worth less and the friendship he gives is a special good that is extremely valuable and if you want this good, you better work hard for it! I don't think that there are a lot of people who find such one-sided relationships are especially desirable.
At least the part about the chameleon trait is about right.



If you do something that hurts your INTP, or if your INTP is upset or angry, it's best to leave him/her alone for a while to process his/her feelings. He/she will probably let you know he/she is upset (even though tit might not show externally, he/she might just tell you, and it would help if you believed him/her), but trying to pester him/her with the problem even further will probably cause more agitation.

Fair enough.



Don't try to "fix" your INTP. He/she is not broken, and if you try to "change him/her for the better," he/she will probably be more reluctant in having any sort of relationship with you. INTPs might be the least likely to ever try to change you, so please don't try to change your INTP.

That is valid for every relationship. Attempting to change your partner with the wooden hammer never works out.


Actions speak louder than words to an extent. If your actions go against your words, then your actions will be how your INTP judges you. If your actions go along with your words, then your words will have more power and speak louder to your INTP. Fear the INTPs intuition like a vampire fears daylight, if your actions were meant to decieve, you WILL be found out.

That had me laughing. My experience taught me that INTPs are pretty bad when it comes to figuring out any kind of fraud and many of them seem to be rather gullible.



Romantic relationships are different. They are usually unchartered territory and don't come easy to an INTP. In fact, your INTP might be a little scared of them. Using his/her feeling side, letting his/her emotions take control or even sometimes just expressing them, will make your INTP feel quite vulnerable. Emotions are alogical, meaning they aren't logical or illogical, and some INTPs dismiss them alltogether as illogical. ****You can help be an influence on how an INTP views emotions.
Note: As INTPs mature they become better at expressing their emotions but they need to be taught that emotions are not something to fear. Remember an INTP learns by experience so to understand emotions are okay, your INTP needs to experience expressing their emotions without harm.

I think you said all of this before.


-Do give your INTP time to respond. He/she has to analyze and decide what to say. A delayed response doesn't make the statement any less true. Time doesn't exist to an INTP. If he/she reaches an answer fast, the answer is no different if he/she waits an hour and then answers. Sometimes coming up with the answer takes him/her an hour. He/she will say it the second he/she figures it out, but you have to give him/her the time to work it out.

This too.


-Your INTP wants you to believe he/she can take care of themselves.

The 'word' believe has no place in this sentence. INTPs value independence and privacy as part of theim being detached.


-When conflict happens and an INTP leaves, they are analyzing the conflict. Best to leave them alone.
-He/she needs alone time, let him/her have it.

We had that already.


-If your INTP comes to you with the problem, or really any problem, "I'm so sorry" isn't a great answer, though it's sweet and everything, we want answers or a chance to bounce ideas off.

O... kay?


-For optimum respect, do your research and help your INTP bounce ideas off of you.

Wait, what research?


-If your INTP continues to bring up other points in a discussion, do not continue to say the exact same thing or get angry at him/her. Please understand that he/she is just bringing up all possible views and it doesn't mean he/she is not listening to you or considering your input. he/she is, he/she just want to filter it and check it for validity.

That seems redundant.


-If your INTP criticizes something you do, don't be offended. He/she is probably trying to help you.

Why not? I don't think that just being INTP puts you above criticism or being offensive.


-Tell your INTP if they did something to hurt you.

Fair enough.


-Don't lie even to spare feelings.

That seems very shortsighted.


-Ask for your INTP's attention, do not interupt him/her.

That should be obvious to everyone who doesn't have inferior Fe.



-Do give him/her choices. INTPs are stubborn as hell if forced into something.

Why do I get the feeling this is all about making it as convenient as possible for the INTP, no matter the consequences?


-Do listen to your INTP. Unlike INTJs, INTPs lack confidence. Your INTP will withdraw if he/she thinks you don't think what he/she is saying is important, and then he/she won't tell you anything because he/she won't know if it will be important to you or not. He/she will usually assume not.

Huh.


-Do tell your INTP things. INTPs are great listeners and usually care about what you have to say.

But they don't like smalltalk and now I'm supposed to tell the INTP just 'things'?


-Answer your INTP's questions honestly. Failure to do so will hinder the chances of your INTP taking your seriously or trusting you.

Failure to do so will also have you go directly to jail. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.


-Your INTP may lack assertiveness, but don't think you can treat him/her as a doormat and get away with it.

Why not?


-When your INTP makes something work and it does work, it means it is working whether or not you understand how it is working.

What does that even mean?


-Your INTP expects to expect nothing from you. Since INTPs are fair people he/she expects you to expect nothing of them in return.

Aha.


-INTPs enjoy complex problems because simple problems are understood easily. Your INTP actually enjoys difficult problems.

That sounds very redundant.


-INTPs are not lazy, they are efficient....... and sometimes INTPs are lazy.

Maybe one day it will become true if you just keep telling yourself that.


-If an INTP gives you advice, ignore at own peril.

I don't think we're going anywhere with 'INTPs are right by default'.



-INTPs are weird, and your INTP may in fact derive pride from being perceived as such.

Okay.


-Your INTP may not give a damn about you

That doesn't sound like someone I would want to have a relationship with.


-Think outside yourself.

No you?


-Your INTP may be long winded in explaining things, keep this in mind before you ask for an explination.

That doesn't appear to be a defining trait of the INTP.


-Any argument can be ended with “Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries” XD

Wow...


-“I don't know” is a valid answer and means just that from your INTP. Your INTP will also take this answer at face value.

This is right.

-Be openminded.
-Sitting and staring blankly=/=stupidity.
-Distant=/=stupid.

Could there be a more bland statement about INTPs?


-If all else fails, email your INTP. This is your surest form of communication.

Okay.


-If all else fails, email your INTP. This is your surest form of communication.
-”I'll be fine if you leave me alone for a while” is a true statement. It also doesn't necissarily mean your INTP doesn't like you. He/she just wants to sort things out alone. This is how INTPs sort everything out.
-Don't tell your INTP you need something done “right now” so that he/she drops everything and does it if you didn't really need it done for another hour.
-If you refuse to answer questions, don't expect to become an INTP's friend.

We had all of this already and even if not, it barely says anything.


-Do realize that a relationship with an INTP starts with the head and moves toward the heart.

Aphorism time?


-Do realize that if your INTP says he/she loves you, it's an extremely deep love. INTPs are extremely loyal but easily hurt do to carelessness. It's also a hard thing for him/her to say because he/she feels vulnerable

I don't think that the INTP's love is any different from the love of any other type. The thing is just that they will be much more hesitating when it comes to this topic.


-Validity=/=repitition.

Duh.


-Do realize that opening up is HARD. Especially to those with bad experieces. A lot of who an INTP is on the inside is just as much the scars he/she wears as it is his/her ideas.

And the point is... ?


-Don't be surprised if your INTP brings up things that were said a long time ago and incorperates them in a current conversation.

I have a hard time seeing somebody caring or even be surprised by this.


-Do realize that regardless of your INTPs initial response (especially an angry one) He/she can and will go back on it after some analyzation. INTPs value your oppinion but he/she has to filter it and check it for validity.

Okay.


-Your INTP will not take your side in an argument based on friendship, if you are wrong, you are wrong. This doesn't mean you are no longer friends or your INTP thinks you are a bad person. You are just wrong. Don't make a big deal out of nothing.

Now that seems like a worthless friend.

-INTPs already know they are crazy. Your INTP may randomly blurt something out. This is normal.

I see that...


-Do be available, don't be smothering. Let your INTP know that he/she can come to you, but don't demand him/her to all the time.

Huh?


-Do explain things to your INTP. INTPs can learn to pick up on subtle hints, but being straightforward is always perfered.

Okay.


-Remember your INTP isn't being cold or ignoring you just because they aren't talking. They enjoy silence from time to time.

We had that, too.


-Manipulation for your own benefit will end the friendship with your INTP.

INTPs also like to breathe.


-Don't overexplain. That pisses INTPs off to no end. If you want something done, the best way is to tell your INTP “I want this done by this time” and let him/her decide when to do it. He/she WILL do it. He/she just has to be able to DECIDE to do it.

Huh.


-Criticize actions and ideas, with a good point this could bring your INTP closer to you, but do not criticize character. Your INTP may have a fragile ego.

And what if the character is at fault?


-Don't make assumptions or interpretations about your INTP's behaviour. Ask him/her questions about the meaning instead. If you see the behaviour again, do not attribute the same meaning your INTP gave you the last time.

What is the reasoning behind this?


-Statements such as “because I said so” or “I don't care I like it that way” may result in your INTP dismissing you.

I like how that harmonizes with 'Any argument can be ended with, "Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries."'.


-Don't pretend to be interested in what your INTP is interested in to gain favor or friendship.

That seems right.


-Don't try to to change your INTP.
-Don't ignore your INTP. He/she won't like it.
-Never impose beliefs on INTPs.

Yet another bunch of bland statements.


-Never tell your INTP his/her ideas are stupid.

What if said ideas are stupid or even dangerous?


-Never rush your INTP when he is on the toilet or in the shower. You will probably slow them down further because they will begin thinking about how stupid and pointless saying “hurry up” is.

What the hell where you thinking that made you think this belongs in an 'INTP Interaction Manual'?


-Don't play mind games with your INTP. Chances are you WILL be found out.

I very much doubt that and I pointed out above why.


-Don't expect your to respond to physical compliments especially without a reason why. He/she won't believe it at first and usually doesn't care. If you really want to give him/her a compliment, tell him/her how competent or intellegent he/she is, but don't lie to him/her. If he/she doesn't believe it, he/she doesn't believe it. Your INTP will filter out most compliments to check them for validity.

This is about right and I agree that calling them 'intellegent' will be of much use.


-Don't force your INTP. Don't force anything on your INTP. If he/she doesn't have time to make the decision, even if it's something he/she'd normally want to do, he/she actively resist. Give choices, suggestions, and time to decide.

Doesn't that collide with 'be direct'?


-Don't point out the obvious.

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-Don't assume lack of feedback=negative feedback. It doesn't from an INTP. Again, your INTP needs time to filter his/her response.

Okay.


-Don't inturupt your INTPs train of thought. This is the most annoying thing in the world. Emergencies are an exception.

Is pointing out the obvious an emergency?


-Your INTP will only do something if it is interesting or if he/she understands the reason behind it. Keep this in mind before asking something. INTPs usually don't mind helping.

I agree with this.


-Don't plan every moment of your INTPs life. INTPs hate schedules.

J types also eat children and cancel your favorite TV shows.


--INTPs don't like being vulnerable and may have trouble expressing themselves.

I have yet to meet someone who actually enjoys being vulnerable.


-Don't lie to your INTP. INTPs absolutely loathe being lied to. Your INTP is searching for truth, lies only make that harder. Actually....
-Don't betray your INTP's trust. Realize that hurting your INTP hurts the people currently or in the future who care about him/her. INTPs withdraw when hurt and are burdened with the sense of impending failure. This means that someone else who cares about him/her might have to work harder to show your INTP that it is safe to open up/trust and all of that kind of stuff.
-short version of that, don't betray the trust of/hurt an INTP.

Are you even trying?


-Don't rush opening up. Especially if your INTP was hurt earlier on. The fact that he/she isn't opening up doesn't mean he/she doesn't care about you. When your INTP does open up, listen or he/she won't do it anymore. Simply because he/she won't believe you want to know.

Agreed.


-Don't ever doubt that your INTP cares about you. If he/she has said it, it holds true forever. Some INTPs have learned that we need to repeat it for it to continue to hold validity, but you do need to let your INTP know you like being reminded.

Okay seems right enough, I won't point out that this implies that all INTPs mate for life.


-Don't demand too much. A lot of relationships with INTPs end from the other person demanding constant attention or compliments. You won't get that from an INTP.

But how much is too much?


-Don't ever call your INTP negative. Yes, he/she comes off as negative quite a bit, but in his/her mind he/she is being realistic and looking at all the possibilities.

Why not call the INTP negative when the INTP is negative?


- Your INTP isn't rejecting what you are saying. When he/she plays the devil's advocate, he/she is looking at all possible angles. Believe it or not, you are helping your INTP see these perspectives a lot easier and helping him/her make more informed decisions.

Huh.


-Don't ask if you don't want an honest answer. Yes, those jeans make you look fat. Actually the fact that you are fat makes you look fat. Your INTP will probably not be that harsh but if you ask, we are going to answer truthfully. Honesty means a lot to us.

It's okay if an INTP is a douchebag because he's an INTP so it's alright.


-Stupid questions to your INTP will get stupid/sarcastic responses out of your INTP.

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-Don't assume all of these things are true for all INTPs

It's not very clever to put this at the very end.


-NEVER tell your INTP that he/she MUST do anything. He/she doesn't HAVE to do anything, not eat, drink, mow the lawn, or sleep. The only thing your INTP MUST do is die.

...but it's okay if you make a whole catalog with stuff other people should do?

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Conclusion: This whole 'INTP Interaction Manual' so far is a complete disaster. Not only does it reek of extremely flawed Jungian and MBTI typology but also depicts INTPs as two-dimensional people without a real personality, not unlike toasters. The worst part is the 'INTPs are always right, do everything to please your INTP and shut the hell up'-vibe I get from a lot of points here and the overall double-standard not to mention all the hypocritical and self-contradictory points.
There is no structure or red string whatsoever and a lot of typos and grammar errors.
The redundance is also redundant.

If I had never met an INTP before and somebody asked me if I wanted to, based on this 'INTP Interaction Manual'; my honest answer would be: I'd rather not.
 

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Anthile said:
Conclusion: This whole 'INTP Interaction Manual' so far is a complete disaster.

When was an interaction manual based on vague label ever a success?

I realize that type is an easy label to use when trying to describe yourself to someone else. But it gets downhill when it becomes overgeneralized and assumes too much. People should just describe themselves in their own words, for any 'interaction manual' purposes.
 

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Conclusion: This whole 'INTP Interaction Manual' so far is a complete disaster. Not only does it reek of extremely flawed Jungian and MBTI typology but also depicts INTPs as two-dimensional people without a real personality, not unlike toasters.
There is no structure or red string whatsoever and a lot of typos and grammar errors.
The redundance is also redundant.

If I had never met an INTP before and somebody asked me if I wanted to, based on this 'INTP Interaction Manual'; my honest answer would be: I'd rather not.
That's because shadowdrums4 just copy/pasted posts from the thread. To compile something like this, somebody actually has to edit it, instead of just taking random things people said and jamming it all together into one long post. Also, an interaction manual of anybody is going to make them look like toasters. That's the nature of it.

The worst part is the 'INTPs are always right, do everything to please your INTP and shut the hell up'-vibe I get from a lot of points here and the overall double-standard not to mention all the hypocritical and self-contradictory points.
That's more a look into the people here than a look into the guide, because it's just jammed together posts from this thread.

There is no structure or red string whatsoever and a lot of typos and grammar errors.
The redundance is also redundant.

Of course there will be lots of redundancy, things have been repeated many times. And the lack of structure is for the same reason. If you tried to make a book based on posts on this forum, and you went about doing that by just taking posts and jamming them together, it would be very difficult to sell. Any time someone put in lol or the like, there would be a grammar error.


If I was making a guide for interacting with me, it would basically be this:
- DON'T TRY TO FORCE ME TO SOCIALIZE!
- Figure the rest out yourself.
 

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That's because shadowdrums4 just copy/pasted posts from the thread. To compile something like this, somebody actually has to edit it, instead of just taking random things people said and jamming it all together into one long post. Also, an interaction manual of anybody is going to make them look like toasters. That's the nature of it.


That's more a look into the people here than a look into the guide, because it's just jammed together posts from this thread.



Of course there will be lots of redundancy, things have been repeated many times. And the lack of structure is for the same reason. If you tried to make a book based on posts on this forum, and you went about doing that by just taking posts and jamming them together, it would be very difficult to sell. Any time someone put in lol or the like, there would be a grammar error.


If I was making a guide for interacting with me, it would basically be this:
- DON'T TRY TO FORCE ME TO SOCIALIZE!
- Figure the rest out yourself.


I smell redundancy in this repetitive post about redundant redundancy.


That said::elephant:

The post is also redundant.
 

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I smell redundancy in this repetitive post about redundant redundancy.


That said::elephant:

The post is also redundant.
There is redundancy in the post, because Anthille didn't seem to see why it had all of those problems.
 

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When was an interaction manual based on vague label ever a success?

I realize that type is an easy label to use when trying to describe yourself to someone else. But it gets downhill when it becomes overgeneralized and assumes too much. People should just describe themselves in their own words, for any 'interaction manual' purposes.

A manual, be it for learning how to swim, to bowl or to drive a new car is only a guideline. You have to get out there and try it out. Now technically, why is that?
 

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There is too much opinion based items in the guide shadowdrums posted, and a few things outright not true. It needs to be edited with only objective and correct information.
 

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There is no objective information. That's part of the problem. Every person is different, and nothing is correct for every INTP. There could be general guidelines which apply to most INTPs, but any guide will have to have a disclaimer such as "This is not true for every INTP. If you notice that things in this guide do not apply to your INTP, throw the guide into the fireplace. (or the recycling bin, since it's most likely not an actual paper guide. Or just delete the bookmark, because it's even more likely that it's on the internet.)"
Just because I hate being forced to socialize doesn't mean another INTP will have something against it.
 

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There is no objective information. That's part of the problem. Every person is different, and nothing is correct for every INTP. There could be general guidelines which apply to most INTPs, but any guide will have to have a disclaimer such as "This is not true for every INTP. If you notice that things in this guide do not apply to your INTP, throw the guide into the fireplace. (or the recycling bin, since it's most likely not an actual paper guide. Or just delete the bookmark, because it's even more likely that it's on the internet.)"
Just because I hate being forced to socialize doesn't mean another INTP will have something against it.
I have that disclaimer in what I edited so far. :D

Well, not that exact disclaimer.
 

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So, I had this crazy Idea. I want to make a set of instructions for dealing with INTPs to give to a loved one. What our preferences are, what we mean when we do x, etc. I'm too lazy to write it all myself, I need inspiration. So, if you were to give instructions on how best to interact (peacefully) with you, what are the do's and dont's?

Free copies if I ever actually put it together. :D

Always laugh at our jokes (or at least try to) cuz they're innovative and super funny!
 

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So, I had this crazy Idea. I want to make a set of instructions for dealing with INTPs to give to a loved one. What our preferences are, what we mean when we do x, etc. I'm too lazy to write it all myself, I need inspiration. So, if you were to give instructions on how best to interact (peacefully) with you, what are the do's and dont's?

Free copies if I ever actually put it together. :D

I agree, this is a crazy idea.

Here's the basic structure I'd have of an INTP Interaction Manual:

Defining Features
-information about MBTI and meaning of cognitive processes

Probable Behavior
-speculation about what someone with preferences for INTP will prefer

General Rules for Treating Human Beings with Respect
 

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Know that 90 percent of the time, an INTP is regretting how they acted the day before because it didn't truly reflect their thought process.

INTPs express themselves easier through writing. Don't dismiss any long paragraphs over instant message, as they're sorting out their mind as they talk to you, and ignoring any long-winded pieces of writing will result in the INTP almost inevitably disliking you.

If you ask a knowledgeable INTP a question, you'll receive a very in-depth answer, whether you want one or not. You asked.

Don't mock an INTP for silently brooding. Leave. Them. Be.

Don't mock an INTP for not wishing to be out and social all the time, and sneering at them when they tell you that they really aren't up to much, and they haven't done anything in a while.

Don't both an INTP while they're reading a book. It's annoying.

If you reject an INTP's invitation to do something once, you will never receive another one.

It's very easy to make an INTP think you despise them, even if you don't at all.

Showering an INTP with affection will only make them think you have an ulterior motive.
 

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Originally Posted by shadowdrums4
-Your INTP will not take your side in an argument based on friendship, if you are wrong, you are wrong. This doesn't mean you are no longer friends or your INTP thinks you are a bad person. You are just wrong. Don't make a big deal out of nothing.
Now that seems like a worthless friend.

Did you have the same types of arguments in mind? As in, debates, drunken arguments with strangers, arguments with threatening drunk strangers, etc.?
 

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Yes! I really hate it when people won't just leave me alone so that I can process my emotions in my own way. Some of them are very insistant about "cheering me up" when I don't need it. If they'd leave me alone I would have been past whatever it was already. :beatyou:

i know exactly how that is, i have to tell my husband all the time- i'm not upset- i'm processing. i'll sort it out in my mind and everything will be fine! he still doesn't understand...
 

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I cant speak for everyone, but here is my experience:

INTPs tend to do things intensely. When they are particularly passionate about something, they will spend lots of time thinking about it and working on it. Because they are so intensely focused, they tend to ignore the world around them (and may even disregard self-care). Dont take this personally. It is likely that it go away in a few days. They will need time to recover, and this "down-time" period can last longer than the intense-focus period. Low to high level social interaction and activity can be a part of this relaxation period if done sparingly.

INTPs can seem OCD to some. We cant explain why we are comfortable with dishes in the sink, and yet annoyed that the cereal is out on the counter. Some mess bothers us and some doesnt. Stick around us long enough, and you'll be able to determine which is which.

Do NOT clean our desks! What may look like a disorderly pile of papers to you is actually organized to us. Cleaning, when done by others, is "the process of putting our things in places where we cant find them."

As much as you may love listening to the top pop hits on the radio, it is unlikely that we will enjoy music when we are deep in thought. Turning on the radio/cd player/mp3 when we have deliberately left it off will annoy us.

If you make a conclusion/statement, we may ask you why or how you came to that conclusion. This does not mean that we disagree with you necessarily, just that we'd like to know how you think. Repeating your conclusion in different words will annoy us. And if you have "bad" reasons for your conclusion, we may share some of our ideas with you. When you elaborate, we might learn more about the situation or about you as a person. This is something we enjoy. If you dont like being questioned (not because youre wrong, but because we are interested in the process), then you probably wont get along with an INTP. Dont let it offend you!

If you engage in a discussion with an INTP, and they seem to be disagreeing with you, that is a good thing! Once we stop disagreeing (and dont agree with you either), it means that we have given up. We have decided that the discussion was just not worth it. If this happens often, an INTP will lose respect for you. If you feel like your INTP buddy is giving up, ask questions about why the INTP disagrees with you, and if you dont understand, demand clarity. We really love this.

INTPs like discussing plans. To most people, it would be indicative of our likes, but dont make that mistake with us. We may talk about taking a fantasy trip to europe, and all of the sights that we would see, but dont go out and buy the plane tickets. We like plans, but when it comes to executing those plans, we may have varying degrees of commitment.

Dont get upset when your INTP is surprised that you've done something nice for us. We tend to set very low expectations for others by nature.

An INTP that you have just met may seem great at problem-solving, and you may wish to confide in them. We give an objective viewpoint to your interpersonal problems. That may seem refreshing and helpful, and you may feel more intimate with us as a result. However, we do not feel that way about you. Dont mistake our conversations for friendship. You will know when an INTP considers you a friend, usually because they will tell you.

INTPs do not have fragile egos when it comes to competency and intelligence. We do not tell you things just to show you how smart we are. We dont care if you think that we're smart. We would prefer to let our work speak for its self.

INTPs may seem detached, but we do to through periods where we are very in tune with our environment/surroundings. This means that if we get a bad feeling, or if we sense that we are in danger, its in your best interest to listen to us!

We wont pigeonhole people into categories that we have just met, but INTPs remember first interactions. While first impressions are important, INTPs will disregard some of our interpretations of your initial behavior if you give us a sufficient reason- not by telling us, but by showing us that the negative picture we received of you was not accurate.

Our attitudes toward any particular person or idea are not set in stone. We enjoy questioning these attitudes and reevaluating our position in order to get closer to truth. If you are displeased with something that we have done, instead of attacking us (as we can change if given a good reason), discuss the underlying principles of that action with us, and if we determine that your view is closer to the truth we will likely change our attitude (and even perception).

We dont hate rules in general. If we have the opportunity to evaluate each of the rules (their source, purpose, etc) and determine that they are fair, we will follow them loyally. However, when evaluated, we do find many rules to be unfair, so that is why we seem like rule-breakers!


And that's all I have for today :)
I go from "them" to "we" a bunch but it is 7am, cut me some slack.
 

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Originally Posted by shadowdrums4
-Your INTP will not take your side in an argument based on friendship, if you are wrong, you are wrong. This doesn't mean you are no longer friends or your INTP thinks you are a bad person. You are just wrong. Don't make a big deal out of nothing.
Now that seems like a worthless friend.

Did you have the same types of arguments in mind? As in, debates, drunken arguments with strangers, arguments with threatening drunk strangers, etc.?
I have no problem debating with my friends, and even parents. If I think someone is wrong, I'll call them out on it.

The problem with the post you quoted is that shadowdrums assumes the INTP is always invariably right. Which is, of course, false.
 

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* Realize that INTPs will do bizarre freaky things like write actual manuals about how to interact with them, and give them to you. This is not meant to be insulting... mostly. They honestly are trying to help, and they put a lot of store in accurate manuals and instructions.

* Cope with the fact that their solution to the perceived communication gap is for you to learn how to talk with them, not for them to learn how to talk with you. From their perspective, they have perfect communication skills, at least for the subjects they like to talk about. If challenged on this, they will simply point to the fact that they have better spelling and grammar than you do, and most probably a higher IQ. They also like being Spock, the brainbox go-to guy, and the workplace smartass.

* They'll be disappointed in you if you don't read the manual. Even if it's about as appealing as sorting the Sahara by sand grain size.

* They'll KNOW you didn't read it the first time they make mention of something they put in there and you look blank.

* They will deliberately test you like this a few days after giving you the manual.

* Not reading, memorizing, and applying the manual will be taken as a sign that you don't really want to make the effort to communicate effectively with them after all. If you try other methods, you'll get a blank or annoyed look and a retort of "It's all in the manual we gave you."

* It won't all be in the manual.

* The manual will read like it was written by an alien or a psychopath. Maybe an alien psychopath. Try not to freak out.

* You are allowed (even encouraged) to ask questions about things in the manual. The best questions are the bluntest ones - don't dance around what you're trying to ask. "What the hell kind of freaky-ass manual is this?!" is a perfectly acceptable question, and is covered in appendix B.

* Yes, they can read your mind. Or at least know what you're going to ask.

* Yes, they think it's funny.

* It is, actually.

* That's covered in appendix F.

* See? I told you.

* That won't help, this manual is fireproof.

* Shredding will only result in DSLGBFUHWERBFGADLIBGUASGBU...

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* Hi! I'm your friendly INTP interaction manual, revision 2!
 

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The simple answer for me would be to give me a set of instructions about how my partner worked. There's logic in all behavior, so, as long as my partner's self aware and willing to share, things work much better. Inflicting irrationality on me only instigates me trying to understand why rather than instigating a forum for having an irrational emotional bonding session.
 

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-If you really want to know how your INTP is feeling, let him/her choose a song. (this one should be double checked I read somewhere that INTPs choose music for how they are feeling and I know I do it. Is this an INTP thing?)

Yep. INTPs play music suited to their mood. I can't listen to upbeat music when I'm down and vice versa. Plus it's easier to just play a song and let the partner get the hint instead of actually verbalizing feelings. Fe+Si at work. :)
 

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similar to I don't know: If you ask me which thing we should do, and I say "I don't care", it doesn't mean "I want to be polite," it means I LITERALLY DON'T CARE.
 

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-(relating to longer term partners) When your INTP needs you to understand a part of their personality, they cant just tell you. You need to show them you can analyze, understand and modify or theres no value in trying to communicate feelings with each other. Since we find it difficult to relate these feelings your just going to have learn the indicative signals and respond in the way we appreciate, and it really is appreciated when you can. If you cant, expect long periods of feeling shut-out, you've hurt your INTP and now the value of opening up has decreased a little more.

-(related to previous point) If your INTP has had to point out that maybe you should have dealt with or said something differently in relation to a point they raised about your relationship, wait a long time before applying this information. We know full well behaviour isnt modified in minutes and it will be taken as disingenuous and people pleasing if you do immediatly. As a result loss of more respect will incur. We'd like to see you think about and hopefully understand the information, if you dont then ask.

- (relating to longer term partners) We already know how you work, we have watched, monitored and analyzed your behaviour thoroughly. If we ask whats wrong you cant hide it, we usually already know we just want you to be honest about it. it's another test, please try to pass this one.

- If your INTP is acting a little extroverted has become more chit chatty and is enjoying a large social gathering, their drunk. Dont take this behaviour as a cue to arrange more social events and expect them to attend.

- (in relationships, and relating to actions speak louder than words from jacien) Any one can say the words "i'm Sorry", your INTP wants you to prove your actually sorry.

- Sometimes your company is all the INTP wants, that means thats all they want. it doesnt mean they have something to talk about with you or want to listen to how your day was, dont worry they will tell you and if they have told you expect to be ignored or asked to leave if you dont just comply. After all, whats wrong just sitting in silence enjoying the closeness of another person without having to fill the room with inane chat?

- (relationships) Remember your INTP is highly analytical, if their raising a point about you or the relationship consider that even if wrong their points may genuinely have some merit, since if they raised the issue with you they definately have a concern that should not be readily dismissed. They have probably argued both sides of the discussion previously in their own heads as far as they currently understand the other sides pros and cons. If you can consider this and find your INTP to be wrong, dont yell and scream. Instead present them with more enlightened information about your side in a logical and reasonable counter point, addressing where they went wrong in their assumption initially. Countering the arguement with telling them they dont understand you will go no where, likely they understand you more than you think and in my experience i have understood from watching my partners more than they seem to understand themselves. It is a hard thing for a person to accept but consider it a very probable possibilty.


some of my thoughts, and how i feel and have attempted previously to relate myself to my longer term girlfriends, although explaining these at the time was much harder than writing a few bullet points on a forum.

But anyway, a good entertaining thread to read, i can identify with many of the points made.
 

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similar to I don't know: If you ask me which thing we should do, and I say "I don't care", it doesn't mean "I want to be polite," it means I LITERALLY DON'T CARE.
This is true but only at the surface level. The reality of the situation is that we lack Fi or an understanding of our true desires. It's not that we don't care about what we do, in all actuality we don't know what we want to do the most. There's no motivation or ambition.
 

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@ Jachian - Your first post was just insanely accurate. You second one is almost accurate! Hehe

15) For an intp Actions speak louder than Words.
16) Your Actions and not your Words will be used to determine your motives and intentions.


I see people kind of saying that all the time, And in a way I disagree. Or I'm just confused.
Could someone please explain to me in what sense you think actions speak louder than words? 16 is very true though! I just added it into the quote.
So now you're probably thinking "Why did he just ask that? He just said he agreed"
Well.. True, but in a way. I think words speak very loud as well. And in a weird way I disagree with 15 and agree with 16. So could someone please enlighten me?

18) Do not expect intp to take your side of an argument just because you are friends. If you are Wrong, then you are Wrong.

I'm inclined to say "heard!" but I think it sounds stupid, so I'll go with this -> Probably the quote of the week, this is so very very true. I hate when my friends, family and colleagues expect you to be subjective. To be objectiveness is the truth and truth is everything.

19) When 18) happens it does not mean that intp is no longer your friend, or thinks your a bad person. Get over it.

For the most parts, if I think the person is an idiot, he/she is no longer my friend.
I do get your point though, hehe.


Keep going though! You seem to have it all figured out! :cool:

Lol just read this again.. Man I must have been tired. What a messed up spelling/grammar and post. Lol

Sorry for the off-topic. Just thought it was too funny, hehe =P
 

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Jachian, that was very good.

The problem that I see is assuming very many people WANT to know how to deal with us on our terms. Other than the few folks we see coming in here asking for help with INTPs, my experience is that most of the world, dominated by Js, sees us as broken and in need of repair. They seek change, not understanding. So this may not sell as many copies as The DaVinci Code or a Harry Potter book.

But it's still a good idea and Jachian really nailed it.

(I'd add "If an INTP tells you they'll be fine if you just leave them alone, that's a true statement.")

If they don't want to deal with us on our terms, I guess they won't be dealing with us at all. Their loss.
 

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This is true but only at the surface level. The reality of the situation is that we lack Fi or an understanding of our true desires. It's not that we don't care about what we do, in all actuality we don't know what we want to do the most. There's no motivation or ambition.
Inspiring statement. Let me try an INTP self-evaluation.

Fi - I have none. My motives are by thinking and my emotions tag along. If I'm pleased, I'm lucky. And vice versa. Having feelings is a dirty little secret.
Se - My sensation experiences are highly introverted. I don't recognize them objectively. If I were to contemplate that I liked chocolate I'd think of every reason why I didn't.
Ni - I'm quite aware of my intuition. It's out there. I'm pleased with it because it helps me along. Is it objective? I don't think of it as a part of me. It's like a gift.
Ti - I'm supported by my intuition. I hate to stay with objectivity as I want to keep moving. I think because it puts me in a place in the world. I don't think to tell you what's true. I think because I don't know what to think so I try to narrow it down. Whatever I said last is true -- unless I'm making notes - like this post.

I note this for the record as I don't know if it's accurate. I guess I'm an INTP as that's what the descriptions say. It's a hard sell to get me into the box. I have mixed feelings. What do you think?
 

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Inspiring statement. Let me try an INTP self-evaluation.

Fi - I have none. My motives are by thinking and my emotions tag along. If I'm pleased, I'm lucky. And vice versa. Having feelings is a dirty little secret.
Se - My sensation experiences are highly introverted. I don't recognize them objectively. If I were to contemplate that I liked chocolate I'd think of every reason why I didn't.
Ni - I'm quite aware of my intuition. It's out there. I'm pleased with it because it helps me along. Is it objective? I don't think of it as a part of me. It's like a gift.
Ti - I'm supported by my intuition. I hate to stay with objectivity as I want to keep moving. I think because it puts me in a place in the world. I don't think to tell you what's true. I think because I don't know what to think so I try to narrow it down. Whatever I said last is true -- unless I'm making notes - like this post.

I note this for the record as I don't know if it's accurate. I guess I'm an INTP as that's what the descriptions say. It's a hard sell to get me into the box. I have mixed feelings. What do you think?
Everyone has 8 functions. The first 4 determine your type, the first 3 are active and the last 5 are either inert or dormant. Performing introverted functions energizes us and performing extroverted functions drain us.

Ti - Objective, introverted thinking
Ne - Knowing things without needing to see the facts, sense of the future and possible outcomes
Si - Knowledge of the past, need to feel comfortable, an acute sense of how things should be, aesthetically inclined
Fe - Expressing emotions
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Fi - Ambition or favoritism, knowing what you want at a moment's notice
Se - Spontaneity, acute awareness of surroundings, interacting with outer world
Te - Planning and scheduling, thinking to outsmart others, voicing thoughts
Ni - Gut feeling of how things are and the best way to do things
 

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It seems from others experiences, once you establish the fact in the relationship that you are INTP and are interpreting things wrong, then you understand each other. You understand that you dont understand. Instead of arguing "give me a straight answer!!!". I think it sucks though you have to put a label on yourself and act like there is something wrong with you in order to get the person to communicate with you better. They should just listen to you when you tell them you need straight answers and learn about you as that you need them.

http://infp.tribe.net/thread/63a1b3bf-0b56-4185-819e-4fad92062187
When the woman I'm seeing was telling me about her comfort level or how she felt I kept trying to push her for more, because I wanted to know what she thought. I didn't realize she was communicating with her primary mode. She didn't realize that when she was talking about her feelings that I really didn't get it. She didn't know that T is my primary way of working and my F is buried. If something makes me feel a certain way that's all fine and dandy but I'm going with my T almost every time. I kept looking for her T and she kept giving me her F. This led to a major issue. It wasn't until a mutual friend intervened and asked us both what our MBTI types were. After she took the test and got hers (I knew mine) they were exchanged and we read each others profiles and I got it. She speaks more clearly to me when she really needs me to understand something. She can give me yes/no answers and I can listen for her feelings and get my sense of what's going on with her from those.
more http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/nt-rationale/23861-intp-s-relationships-2.html#post906438
 

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Never ask an INTP what they are thinking about...You may not like the answer.
And never give an INTP an ultimatum... Because you will definitely will not like the answer.

Not sure about anyone else but this fits me pretty well as some people have found out the hard way.
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Never ask an INTP what they are thinking about...You may not like the answer.
And never give an INTP an ultimatum... Because you will definitely will not like the answer.

Not sure about anyone else but this fits me pretty well as some people have found out the hard way.
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Whoops, that first "will" doesn't belong there. It should have been:

And never give an INTP an ultimatum... Because you definitely will not like the answer.
 

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shadowdrums4 said:
INTPs are oblivious.

Are we really, I mean concerning dating, flirting, relationships etc? I know we aren't supposed to be in tune with our or others' feelings, but if we're great intuiters than shouldn't we be suspicious about every little "sign" and endlessly speculate? Or are we oblivious because we speculate so much and don't really act?
 
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