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Happiness, Wants, Dreams, Goals, Expectations...

Sapphire Harp

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So... happiness is getting and having what you want, right? Personally, when I think about it, these days I feel completely out of touch with knowing what I want. It seems impossibly weighed down by self-imposed limitations based on what is probably going to actually happen...

So, here's the question for everyone. What are the things you really want in life? What do you hope for? Dream for? The more honest and impossible/true, the better...

Also, the counter-point of the thread... what do you really anticipate receiving and accomplishing? What do you actually expect in this life?

Maybe it's just because of where I'm coming from, but I don't think we'll get to the heart of this right off. I think we'll all have to dig for a while...
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Comics softly touching on the topic here and here... I included them originally, but it just wasn't working right... Derailing myself...
 

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lol i saw this comic somewhere before. It's still funny
 

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Well, they say 'love' and 'meaning' is what's it's all about. As part of the generation that was brought up to 'achieve' all I want now is for my footprint in the sand to be washed over by the sea - and to feel happy with that.
 

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I'd like to see some kind of research that lives a tangible imprint on the world when I'm gone. I'd also like to finally learn to relate to someone fully, if only to be able to say that I did it.
 

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My goal- I want to go to MIT or Boston University. (this is hard to achieve due to the fact that my grades are not so great--> procrastination issues) so yeah, that is my dream/goal For the future
 

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My current goal, I think, is to figure out relationships by getting into one. My goals can change like the wind, though.

What I actually expect to happen... I look at it from the worst case point of view. I fail completely at every attempt and remain single. This is honestly within the realm of my expectations. I have no illusions about finding a soul mate or ending up in a happy marriage. I think it is probable a woman will marry me for money and then divorce me 5 years later.
 

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I want everything. I hope to one day become the multiverse. I also wish to sleep with every woman who has ever existed or will exist, including the ones I create in a lab. Yes, I also want a lab where I can create living creatures. I basically want to be God. I'd like to be Satan, too. I'm currently trying to figure out how to rectify that conflict.

Naturally, I expect all of this to happen....eventually.

If this doesn't happen, a real life in the real world may suffice.
 

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If I had everything I (think I) wanted I don't think I'd be happy... Part of being happy, for me, is knowing that there's more out there, more to discover, more to be...nothing is stagnant, nothing is constant. I fully expect to never really know what I want, but at the same time, I expect to stay mostly happy to sit and muse, ponder, question, and discover. What, exactly, is most definitely subject to change.

So to more concretely answer your question, I hope and dream that my life may not become predictable, that my path may change, that my goals may change. For now, perhaps in my naivety, I expect this to happen.
 

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Hmm well as they say, happiness is not the destination, it's the journey. Kind of hard for us N-types to understand that, but our P-tendencies are definitely in alignment with this philosophy. xNxJ people probably really enjoy saving money for retirement.
 

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When my great aunt died, the sorts of things they said at her funeral were different than others I've been to. The overall theme was that she had changed the entire course of people's lives for the better, got them out of their ruts, comforted them, taught them things, and deeply encouraged them. I think that's a pretty nice goal to have in relations with others and how I'd like to be remembered.

I'd like to find a partner who I'm absolutely comfortable around who encourages me to learn and better myself and respects my desire for solitude. Someone to lean on, trust, and have effortless communication with. Someone whose masculine matches my feminine. That covers the basics of what would would probably make me happy in a partner. I don't expect any relationship to work for a lifetime, nor do I really care that it does. Which is why I'm not planning on marriage.

I love kids but since I'd have to adopt I'd rather be a mentor. The role of "free-spirited childless aunt" would be fun and I'd treat my nieces/nephews to all sorts of fun adventures.

Some physical wants/dreams:

I think I'd be happy living in a micro home in NorCal or Oregon. My ideal is to live on a floating platform on a lake in a Blue Sky house within about 30 minutes from a grocery store and post office. Until then, I'd like to live in a tiny 2-story house of my own design somewhere less remote.

I'm not sure what I would like to do for a career, but I do know that I want to be paid for value instead of time and work less than 20 hours a week doing something that isn't mind-numbing. The things I want in life aren't expensive outside of airfare and healthcare. I love technology but have no problem being a couple years behind or visiting technophile friends. I want a small hot-air balloon and I'd like to get into kite surfing.
 

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Owning an island out somewhere in the pacific where anyone is welcome to come and just sit back and relax.
 

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Owning an island out somewhere in the pacific where anyone is welcome to come and just sit back and relax.
I don't think there are really any islands like that left available...
 

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This is something I discussed with a friend a while ago, actually.

I want overall to build my own island out of recyclable materials like I remember seeing on tv when I was a kid. Then turn it into a sort of adventure island for kids. I would teach them about life, philosophy and the arts. When I finally die, I leave behind a series of treasure maps to secret locations on the island. It will take them many months to find all the treasures and along the way become great friends and learn about the world and how to see it from a wholistic, universal viewpoint. I want to be a wise old woman who mentors children about the dangers/stupidity of violence.

Of course, since this is mostly unable to complete in my lifetime, I could be happy on a large forested plot of land with two children and brainwash them with all of my personal values and beliefs like ordinary parents. I would write philosophy journals and we would go travelling to far off lands on the school holidays.

I guess overall I want to provide a magical, adventurous childhood. The way it should have been. Like a fairytale brought to life. :) Of course, try to inspire non-violence and peaceful nature... We need more people like that in the world.
 

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I'm happy with my life, which I have definitely lived on my own terms. I think, of myself at least, that no matter how happy I become, there will always be something on the horizon.

I would like find a girl that is accepting and interesting. I would like to have children and be a parent unlike my own. I don't know that such will happen, which is fine.

I'm not so greedy or desparate with my hopes of happiness that I will grab at anything in reach. I know that if anything is ever to actually realize itself along this line I will be a product of action on my part and hers. But to take action I think I must be calm and I don't feel that yet.
 

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I have always viewed life as a journey, a peculiar curiosity that I have been fortunate enough to experience.

I tend to welcome the hardships, as I tend to hold the idea "Whatever does not kill you, makes you stronger" in high esteem. I have often thought of happiness and getting all that you want from your life, etc and it dawned on me that these things would seem so pale if I actually obtained them without working for them. Happiness and suffering, I tend to see them as a comparison, perhaps. Having both enables us to appreciate the difference between them and though the hardships we suffer through may be harsh perhaps that makes the happiness all the more enjoyable.

If I were to obtain happiness in its entirety, it would loose meaning to me. Perfection is impossible, to my mind.

"The World is imperfect... That's what makes it beautiful."
-Roy Mustang from Full Metal Alchemist

I am content to make my own happiness through a change in mindset and make due with what I have, for now. Always striving for more and falling short makes life more interesting, perhaps, though rewards are necessary to keep a person going. But matters of reward... Is that not also a matter of perspective? There are things that can be considered "good" and "bad" about anything, if you have the patience and open mind to see them.
 

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To do no harm. I think that's in the Hypocratic oath innit?
 

Tyria

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I don't think there are really any islands like that left available...

We could always just make another one. Or live somewhere else on an island where other humans do not live.
 

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6 acre island in the Bahamas for only $1.5M? That's a freaking good deal.

I know! Once you start looking round that site you really start thinking 'I could do this'!! Hey - maybe we could club together and buy an INTP island!! A haven where beleaguered INTPs could come and chill out before returning the stresses of the real world. I'd be the resident cook and grumpy old woman handing out insults with the food.
 

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to own a classical greek-inspired chateau built into the side of a cliff (dont think anyones done that yet) surrounded by hundreds of miles of nature where i can waste away and society will be too far away to give a damn.

and for my created story to come to fruition making me wealthy, and causing a worldwide revolution in storytelling. this is how i plan to afford my house :D
 

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To do no harm. I think that's in the Hypocratic oath innit?

Welcome to the forum.:phear:


Right now my goal is to figure out what I want to do with my biology major.
 

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I just want an island with nothing on it where I can wait for someone to be stranded there so my friends and I can play Lost with them. We'd be the Others.
 

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I just want an island with nothing on it where I can wait for someone to be stranded there so my friends and I can play Lost with them. We'd be the Others.

Here you go. This one costs the same amount as my house. I could sell it and buy you the island if you like.

edit: Look at the price of this one!
 

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I see what you did there with that avatar, slinger...

Took me a while to figure out what the hell it was though (I had forgotten the name of the indol ring and also of tryptamine, which didn't help in trying to google the systematic name) and I imagine I'm the only one who sees what you did there other than you.

Sorry, random...carry on, I didn't think this was 100% deserving of a PM...
 

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I want to go into astrophysics to discover potential new earths , become an award winning\critically acclaimed actor, produce music, start marathon cycling, become a professional gamer and poet.

Have a family i guess, since this is 'dreams, goals, etc etc'

World travel is pretty high on my list too.

I don't have a particular plan either, outside of graduating college and manually teaching myself everything else.
 

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Also a gothic castle in a perpetually dark and rainy countryside wouldn't be bad... especially if there were no neighbors around. Build lots of labs there and have a city of research... and a cool background to inspire the work :)

It would have to have very cold winters though... I want to see snow cover everything.
 

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To rule the world. Since I'm unable to obtain any happiness I can at least do that everyone else is happy.


@Crimson Knight: You're idea is kinda cute. Tropical islands are boring.
 

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To rule the world. Since I'm unable to obtain any happiness I can at least do that everyone else is happy.


@Crimson Knight: You're idea is kinda cute. Tropical islands are boring.

Only if you limit your imagination to how they are put there and what else that could surround them ^^

How cool would it be to have an island and to have a second Ice Age? You could go fishing like the eskimos everyday if you wanted.
 

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I see what you did there with that avatar, slinger...

Took me a while to figure out what the hell it was though (I had forgotten the name of the indol ring and also of tryptamine, which didn't help in trying to google the systematic name) and I imagine I'm the only one who sees what you did there other than you.

Sorry, random...carry on, I didn't think this was 100% deserving of a PM...

Good lookin' out. I was wondering if anyone would be able to identify it.
 

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I want a house near a forest, and I want to have a dog and a couple of cats. When I'm not working, I will be reading or doing something else that I want to do. I will have a quiet life where I get to ponder about things and enjoy my solitude. I will be able to enjoy nature, take walks without constantly meeting other people etc. Of course, I will have a couple of friends I can visit when I feel like it. But since I'm planning to become a teacher, I will probably be socialized enough at work.

That's my current plan. Other than that, I just see where my life takes me.
 

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I want join the Army or National Gaurd when I am eighteen, hopefully get out when I am 22, move to Seattle take a long solitary road trip to Seattle and live there, join the police Acadamy and become a Police Officer. Live in an apartment with one or two cats. When I am older, tour the United States, and eventually settle in a clearence in the a forest in Washington, or Orgeon miles away from a paved road or town, farm most of my own food, and raise dogs for the just about the rest of my old life starting around 40.

Or go to a school and get my liscence to become a Analytical Theripast, or a Marrige and Family Therepast, and still maybe go to school and live in around the area of Seattle.
I don't want kids, even though I am still only a young teenagerI still doubt I would want devote my whole life to raising kids and contributing to the over population.
Maybe have a long term, lifetime realationship.
Hopefully move to Germany around before I retire

And also still have a couple of friends I can talk to.
 

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I want to figure things out, generally speaking. I want to figure people out via relationships, I want to be more than competent in everything I'm interested in, try to make the world around me more sensible.

As for details, here's one of many hypothetical lives I could lead. I'll go to college, get a BFA in Graphic Design, and I could see myself teaching art as well. Perhaps I'll get married. I don't intend to push that goal though. When it comes, it comes. And I'll try one of the most challenging things out there: being a competent home/family architect. I could keep going with Graphic Design since I could work from home. I'd like to live in a city, not too big and not too small, preferably close to nature and an art/culture hotspot.

I'd rather leave this open ended until I'm old. Has anyone watched "Second Hand Lions"? I'd like to be like that when I get older. I'll buy a small house in the middle of nowhere and live with either my husband or my best friend (if my husband dies before I do), where we'll shoot at visiting salesmen and solicitors with paintball guns (or the future equivalent), do weird stuff, have weird pets, be children in decrepit bodies, and be more reckless than usual.
 

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I want to figure things out, generally speaking. I want to figure people out via relationships, I want to be more than competent in everything I'm interested in, try to make the world around me more sensible.

As for details, here's one of many hypothetical lives I could lead. I'll go to college, get a BFA in Graphic Design, and I could see myself teaching art as well. Perhaps I'll get married. I don't intend to push that goal though. When it comes, it comes. And I'll try one of the most challenging things out there: being a competent home/family architect. I could keep going with Graphic Design since I could work from home. I'd like to live in a city, not too big and not too small, preferably close to nature and an art/culture hotspot.

Thats how I feel about the things im intrested too.

And for being as close to nature, adequite size city, and an art/culture hotspot-SEATTLE
 

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I want my whole life over again with a different mother and a different school.

I want to get rid of the seething resentment I feel whenever I think about this.
 

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All I think I want at the moment is to figure out what I want to do for a living in time for my a levels and then wait out the three years until my gap year and just go everywhere, travel the world, be free =)
I won't have to listen to everyone while I'm travelling, and I'll have the opportunity to learn so much, but after that I have ideas. I think I'll be happy doing that though, just drifting from country to country, learning along the way. If only I could do that instead of a job =P
 

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All I think I want at the moment is to figure out what I want to do for a living in time for my a levels and then wait out the three years until my gap year and just go everywhere, travel the world, be free =)
I won't have to listen to everyone while I'm travelling, and I'll have the opportunity to learn so much, but after that I have ideas. I think I'll be happy doing that though, just drifting from country to country, learning along the way. If only I could do that instead of a job =P


If you can convince some form of media to pay you for regular reports or photos or have some sort of documentary idea then you can do it as a job!!
 

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Oh, I also want to travel the world eventually. I loved living overseas, and I love going to places that have much to offer. It changes your perspective to be a 'foreigner' in another country; nothing quite like it.
 

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Oh, I also want to travel the world eventually. I loved living overseas, and I love going to places that have much to offer. It changes your perspective to be a 'foreigner' in another country; nothing quite like it.

You do have to becarfull not to get deported. :phear:
 

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Owning an island out somewhere in the pacific where anyone is welcome to come and just sit back and relax.

Right on. :cool:

Maybe you can start an INTP resort... luxurious single rooms overlooking the tropical vista...
 

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We could always purchase an old aircraft carrier, restore and modify it, and have an INTP city that sails around the world. That would be really fun ^^
 

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We could always purchase an old aircraft carrier, restore and modify it, and have an INTP city that sails around the world. That would be really fun ^^

Did you happen to see "Carrier" on PBS?

I go for the Island.

An aircraft carrier would be to much work ecspeacialy for INTPs, and also I don't think Aircraft carriers have that many amnemities; we would be stuck with a flight deck, and a hangar.

Eh.. an Island might be too muh work too.
 

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So, here's the question for everyone. What are the things you really want in life? What do you hope for? Dream for? The more honest and impossible/true, the better...

Also, the counter-point of the thread... what do you really anticipate receiving and accomplishing? What do you actually expect in this life?

I decided to reply before reading anything but the first post. I'll go back and read when this is over.. and it's probably gonna end up a bit long.

My wants, hopes, dreams that I think are most valid and consistent through out my life revolve around my creative endeavours. I firmly believe that I could make a better movie than 99% of what's out there if given the chance to direct. (a bit narcissistic yeah, but the good kind I think) If I could do anything in my life that would be exactly it.. direct a movie with an appropriately massive budget. My writing is a point of constant frustration.. very few people tend to get my point when I write poetry.. and the poetry of mine that has been published I believe was done so only because it has many possible meanings, which allowed more people to grasp onto something from it (though rarely the main point I wanted to make). I would like to find an audience that gets it, though you'd have to try very hard (only after the arduous task of gaining my trust) to get me to show you any of it. I think the reason I don't like to show and tell with my work (at least with people I can put a face too) is that I never get the response I wanted.. normally just meaningless subjectiveness. When I do get positive, worthwhile responses, its normally for something that I feel like is shit. I'm working on adapting my work to a broader audience, but so far I haven't had a significant amount of luck in doing so. My dream/fantasy I guess is that somebody will publish a book or two of mine, and some influential people/critics, will teach them how to read it and tell them how great it is - all without having to show my face.

I'm not particularly concerned with money or material things, though I wouldn't mind being rich as long as I didn't have to be famous as well. That being said, if I had a million dollars it would probably be gone in a month.

What do I actually expect in life? I tend to be blessed quite often with great things, great friends, great gifts, et cetera that I did not expect. When I do set goals they have a strange tendency to be fulfilled without any effort on my part... for example, a couple years ago I set a goal to visit Japan in the next 4 years, and expended no effort in achieving it. Just recently I was given the opportunity to live in Okinawa for 6 months or so without any monetary investment on my part.. just a job to do when I'm there. Or, I wanted a specific pair of boots, and they were given to me out of the blue by somebody I hadn't talked to in years with no strings attached.. and they had a $600 dollar sticker (they didn't stretch when he thought they would and he somehow remembered that I wear the same size 12EE). Some of my friends seem to almost idolize me at times, which I am mostly confused about. People I rarely talk to want me to go on road trips with them, and they offer to pay for my part since I normally have no money (though I do always manage to have cigarettes). The reason most often given for this treatment is that I say interesting things - what the F else am I supposed to say? Something boring?

What this is all getting to is that my expectations are normally set lower than what I receive. So, while my expectations are to die of a drug overdose or give up on people and become a hermit somewhere in the Rocky Mountains where I'll die of hypothermia, I half way know that there is something better waiting for me, though I have no clue what exactly it is. I have a kind of pessimistic hopefulness about life.
 

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If I had everything I wanted, I would want something else. INTPs arent the type to be thankful or content. Life sucks no matter what.
 

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If I had everything I wanted, I would want something else.
I agree, but holds true for everyone eventually.

INTPs arent the type to be thankful or content. Life sucks no matter what.

I disagree. If anything, INTPs would be the first to realise this circle of increasing desire and decreasing happiness and look for a bypass.
 

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I agree, but holds true for everyone eventually.



I disagree. If anything, INTPs would be the first to realise this circle of increasing desire and decreasing happiness and look for a bypass.

Though I'm not sure, I think that he implies the restlessness of the INTP-- a restlessness that I've often encountered whilst attempting to meditate of relax. No body position, mantra, or breathing cycle ever seems perfect, and so we seek to improve each by bettering its underlying theory; unfortunately, metacognition and trance-like states (e.g., relaxation, meditation) don't mix, thus impeding the ever-restless and ever thoughtful INTP's attempts at deep tranquility.

-Duxwing
 
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