Guide to typing in real time.

[snafupants]

On youtube the other day, the INFJs were talking about their eyes being farther apart and the almond shape of the eyes quietly housing that Ni playfulness. Empirical corroboration helps their case.

 

[TruthSeeker]

On youtube the other day, the INFJs were talking about their eyes being farther apart and the almond shape of the eyes quietly housing that Ni playfulness. Empirical corroboration helps their case.

I guess I still don't know too much about type. I thought it was Ne that was the wacky, playful function, and Ni that was the more powerful and insightful but serious function. I guess that's bit of a stereotype; in both cases, it's probably more how you choose to use it. I have met xNFJ's who were very playful (but more of them were ENFJ, which makes me think Fe+N hits nearer the mark. I have never met a "playful" INTJ, lol).

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Do you think there's a strong correlation between how a person's face is composed and structured and their personality type?

ie from your experience would there be a high probability that 2 'look-a-likes' would have the same personality type?

Socionics theory goes into this, but I say it's not that simple. Although for INTPs I've read that eyes are droopy and the face looks as if all hope is lost. I've been getting comments on my sad face ever since middle school, though I'm positive or or at least neutral over 50% of the time.

 

[snafupants]

I guess I still don't know too much about type. I thought it was Ne that was the wacky, playful function, and Ni that was the more powerful and insightful but serious function. I guess that's bit of a stereotype; in both cases, it's probably more how you choose to use it. I have met xNFJ's who were very playful (but more of them were ENFJ, which makes me think Fe+N hits nearer the mark. I have never met a "playful" INTJ, lol).

Adymus discussed this earlire about Ni. To simplify, Ni has a penchant for role playing of sorts where different perspectives are taken to achieve a novel understanding of the person or situation. In the case of the empathetic INFJ, you can imagine how useful that would be coupled with Fe. Alternatively, for the hard nosed INTJ, unconventional thinking and contingent planning would be foremost. The function is marked by global thinking, a strong conviction and maybe obstinacy once views have been sifted through Ni filter, and emphasis on the future and whether that ideal is being met. For these reasons, it is important that the auxiliary function is utilized so that the person does not become a paranoid mess or neurotic freak, in the case of INTJ and INFJ, respectively.

 

[Adymus]

Do you think there's a strong correlation between how a person's face is composed and structured and their personality type?

ie from your experience would there be a high probability that 2 'look-a-likes' would have the same personality type?

Absolutely, 'look-a-likes' in not just mannerisms but physical features as well.

 

[Adymus]

On youtube the other day, the INFJs were talking about their eyes being farther apart and the almond shape of the eyes quietly housing that Ni playfulness. Empirical corroboration helps their case.

I don't think I would validate that their eyes are further apart, they are often narrow (So are Si dom eyes), but not always.

And I would certainly disagree that they look playful, but perhaps they have their own idea of what playful looks like. But they again, their samples are probably largely based on the MBTI results, so I wouldn't think they would have much accuracy anyway.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Adymus discussed this earlire about Ni. To simplify, Ni has a penchant for role playing of sorts where different perspectives are taken to achieve a novel understanding of the person or situation. In the case of the empathetic INFJ, you can imagine how useful that would be coupled with Fe. Alternatively, for the hard nosed INTJ, unconventional thinking and contingent planning would be foremost. The function is marked by global thinking, a strong conviction and maybe obstinacy once views have been sifted through Ni filter, and emphasis on the future and whether that ideal is being met. For these reasons, it is important that the auxiliary function is utilized so that the person does not become a paranoid mess or neurotic freak, in the case of INTJ and INFJ, respectively.

Yup, that's consistent with my understanding. But how exactly is that "playful"? It sounds quite the opposite.

 

[Adymus]

I guess I still don't know too much about type. I thought it was Ne that was the wacky, playful function, and Ni that was the more powerful and insightful but serious function. I guess that's bit of a stereotype; in both cases, it's probably more how you choose to use it. I have met xNFJ's who were very playful (but more of them were ENFJ, which makes me think Fe+N hits nearer the mark. I have never met a "playful" INTJ, lol).

You could say that both intuitive functions "play" with information, in the sense that they actually do something with it (Synergistizing and perspective-shifting in the case of Ni, and Abraction and cross-contexualizing in the case of Ne), As opposed to the sensing functions that take in information in it's literal and uninterpreted state, although saying something is "playful" has certain implications.

The way I see it, saying something is playful implies that it is adaptive, like Ne, it takes information given to it and plays with it by jumping to possibilities and similar patterns. It has no structured agenda or direction of it just moves where the patterns are moving, playing off of them. Ni is directive and it proactively creates it's own answers and truths, it might choose to integrate concepts into it's greater whole but certainly doesn't "play" on other models like Ne does, it has a very "there can be only one" quality to it.


Note: Both Ni and Ne can create products that seem really wacky and random, so don't assume a person must be an Ne user just because their sense of humor is very random and absurd.

 

[TruthSeeker]

You could say that both intuitive functions "play" with information, in the sense that they actually do something with it (Synergistizing and perspective-shifting in the case of Ni, and Abraction and cross-contexualizing in the case of Ne), As opposed to the sensing functions that take in information in it's literal and uninterpreted state, although saying something is "playful" has certain implications.

The way I see it, saying something is playful implies that it is adaptive, like Ne, it takes information given to it and plays with it by jumping to possibilities and similar patterns. It has no structured agenda or direction of it just moves where the patterns are moving, playing off of them. Ni is directive and it proactively creates it's own answers and truths, it might choose to integrate concepts into it's greater whole but certainly doesn't "play" on other models like Ne does, it has a very "there can be only one" quality to it.


Note: Both Ni and Ne can create products that seem really wacky and random, so don't assume a person must be an Ne user just because their sense of humor is very random and absurd.

Thanks, Adymus! Yeah, I've met INxJ's with a very bizzare sense of humor. So, to summarize, could you call Ni "vision" and Ne "imagination" (in the popular sense of the word)?

 

[Words]

I have never met a "playful" INTJ, lol).

I can't say I find this funny. I have personally met some that play around with their Se. These people have far differentiating demeanors from myself; I'm way too serious. They just laugh all day. -,-"

 

[jgb99]

Question on Fi vs Fe in the face:

So all Fi users will be completely unaware of what their mouth and face are doing even if they made conscious effort to try to, they could not successfully train themselves to be aware of these aspects?

Does some level of awareness or more = Fe user?

I’m not really sure what type I am, but I feel like I have at least some awareness of what my facial expressions are portraying.

 

[TruthSeeker]

I can't say I find this funny. I have personally met some that play around with their Se. These people have far differentiating demeanors from myself; I'm way too serious. They just laugh all day. -,-"

I'm sure there are many who do. Bad me for stereotyping.

But being serious isn't a bad thing. At times, I'm way too cracked out for my own good.

 

[Fukyo]

*transferred to a more on-topic thread*

That is because I have actually given this forum very little to work with. I am the only person on this forum that can read people accurately (85% to 90%) because I am the only person who has been trained in it. Everyone else read a thread I wrote on it, so essentially they understand a very small portion of the theory, in theory alone. Reading people is far more than just an understand of theory, it takes experience, it takes self-mastery, then finally it takes a sophisticated level of theoretical understanding, and it certainly does not just happen all at once. Ideally one should be trained in reading people in person, by a mentor with the same personality type as you.
You as well as everyone else on this forum actually know very little of what reading people is and how it is done, so please don't assume my thread is all there is to the theory.* I actually wrote the thread originally as a synopsis just to see how other INTPs take to it, how much skepticism will be expressed, and what questions will be asked of it.

*I'm withholding the rest, it's pod'lair material and our main site with forums will be up soon, so I am saving the rest for that moment. I'd rather not present it in the form of MBTI like I did the first guide, MBTI does not deserve the credit for our work.

How soon is soon?

There were some key issues about your video typing method that I wanted to address for a while, but I waited and listened instead, hoping you'd finally come out with some evidence, which I see you don't intend to share at the time being.

In regards to your decision to withhold the Pod'lair material, you are fully entitled to it, however, it is very unfair to persist in using the method and arguments derived from the Pod'lair theory if you're keeping the main body of it inaccessible.

So, Adymus, when are we going to see the actual cause - effect relation of the facial cues and using cognitive functions, and the evidence for accessing the brain quadrants you've associated with them?

I'm not going to cast a negative judgment over Pod'lair.....yet, because I don't know nearly enough about it for the time being. As confident as you are in the reliability of this method, I am finding it very hard to make a leap of faith (as interesting as novel theories are to me) in its favor when there are crucial answers lacking.

 

[Siloc]

@Fukyo... I too am finding it hard to trust the rather nebulous knowledge I have of the theory at the moment. Although, some of the things Adymus has mentioned have confirmed my own intuitions quite accurately... Which is probably why I have refrained from my usual caustic criticism...

Nonetheless... I did a bit of searching for pod'lair related things, out of nothing but curiosity, and i found this...http://www.docstoc.com/docs/51147681/PODLAIR-V-HALL
I haven't read it yet(in fact, I just found it), but I figured it be of interest to some of you here...Mr. Mojo Risin? :P

 

[Sparrow]

@Fukyo... I too am finding it hard to trust the rather nebulous knowledge I have of the theory at the moment. Although, some of the things Adymus has mentioned have confirmed my own intuitions quite accurately... Which is probably why I have refrained from my usual caustic criticism...

Nonetheless... I did a bit of searching for pod'lair related things, out of nothing but curiosity, and i found this...http://www.docstoc.com/docs/51147681/PODLAIR-V-HALL
I haven't read it yet(in fact, I just found it), but I figured it be of interest to some of you here...Mr. Mojo Risin? :P

HOLY FUCK. HOLY FUCK. Free of charge for a limited time. Oh yes. Bring the fucking revolution and profit.

This is fucking madness....absolute madness.

 

[Sparrow]

Even if any of this is true...(the methods and the personality types)...it should never be introduced...if it appeals to the masses and is followed on a global scale...the consequences will be dire...very dire...

I sincerely hope that doesn't happen.

 

[Razare]

I didn't read it all, only about half way through. It pretty much sounded like a new way (perhaps a better way) of describing MBTI. If you type in "INFJ" into Google, what pops up is a pretty crappy description of the type. I'd much rather have someone do it right. Even I could write a better description than what is generally available.

And if they're going to setup studios where they get paid to type people based on their behavior... so? Wow, people might understand themselves better and realize that they behave a certain way because it's their personality. Gee, sounds like people discovering their MBTI type, except it wont suck like the MBTI tests because you wont have an uninformed user trying to figure it out for themselves (which took me years and years, despite having an IQ above 130.)

You do realize Adymus has typed quite a few people on this forum who have asked him using this method. Where are the complaints that Adymus has typed them wrong? If Adymus has typed you wrong using a video, you should share it with the rest of this forum, and give some substantiated evidence that you have a different MBTI type. I'm sure he would like to know if he's done it wrong because then his abilities or the method would need refinement.

Classic MBTI is broke, someone needs to fix it. Their new method looks like it's a lot better than what has existed, so if they want to call it something else and give it some marketable qualities, they should have that right.

-----------------------------------

Most of you inherently trust MBTI, without questioning it. Why? There's little to no science behind it. Real science, not psychology which is a pseudo-science. Real science involves testing hypothesis with controls. This whole personality endeavor is very much a psuedo-science to begin with and most everyone who signs up on these forums has already bought into it.

 

[Fukyo]

@Fukyo... I too am finding it hard to trust the rather nebulous knowledge I have of the theory at the moment. Although, some of the things Adymus has mentioned have confirmed my own intuitions quite accurately... Which is probably why I have refrained from my usual caustic criticism...

Nonetheless... I did a bit of searching for pod'lair related things, out of nothing but curiosity, and i found this...http://www.docstoc.com/docs/51147681/PODLAIR-V-HALL
I haven't read it yet(in fact, I just found it), but I figured it be of interest to some of you here...Mr. Mojo Risin? :P

Thanks for the link, I am familiar with most of this except it's been renamed...

What specifically interests me is the gap between seeing a physiological cue, like the "Ni drift" and associating it with the cognitive function, or should I say Nai.

I have yet to see this explained anywhere, it is only asserted that you will see it, but how do I know this is said function, how do I know it's not just not confirmation bias, cherry picking, a different function, or even just a coincidence?

This is what I want to see addressed.

You do realize Adymus has typed quite a few people on this forum who have asked him using this method. Where are the complaints that Adymus has typed them wrong?

There have been a few actually, and I see people perfectly confident in their type everyday, even if they have up to 3 letters off. But that's irrelevant. The burden of proof is upon those who make the original assertion.

 

[Siloc]

@ Fukyo... No Problem. Your enquiry is a completely reasonable one, and one I would like to see better explained myself. In fact, the NI drift is one particular trait that I don't quite trust myself in seeing...

Originally Posted by Razare
You do realize Adymus has typed quite a few people on this forum who have asked him using this method. Where are the complaints that Adymus has typed them wrong?

This may be true, although I have seen exceptions(like mr. sparrow). This still really does nothing to prove the theory. The way I see it, Adymus is viewed as the expert here, and many people are willing to trust his judgment before their own based on this general consensus alone.

Plus, I think in many regards Adymus is right, many people don't "know" their type, and are not in the position to introspectively deduce it. Problem is, we must "trust" the experts empirical observations in this case...

Since typology is rather abstract and by no means an exact science(although Adymus claims that this new method may bring this closer to fruition) any form of criticism of the theory is going to have to be argued in the same kind of abstract terms within the paradigm that they have so cunningly devised. Since we are generally ignorant of Pod' Lair at the moment, most of our arguments are going to be considered to be from a lack of understanding, which regardless of whether we are fundamentally right or wrong, is somewhat true.

Attempting a basis in neuroscience seems to be a good step forward, since, at the moment, I get the feeling that much of the theory is based on observing an apparent correlation of physical and mental cues, and then extrapolating and inferring causation based on some abstract principle(s) in conjunction with numerous assumptions. Which is naturally what must be done, but still makes it all the more challenging to simply accept, let alone to gain an understanding of. The latter of which makes me greatly sceptical, although I think that there is certainly truth in this method, and that conceptually, a personality theory based on cognitive functions seems to be the most accurate, and logical system yet devised.

There have been a few actually, and I see people perfectly confident in their type everyday, even if they have up to 3 letters off. But that's irrelevant. The burden of proof is upon those who make the original assertion.

Indeed

 

[dreamoftheunknown]

So, Adymus, when are we going to see the actual cause - effect relation of the facial cues and using cognitive functions, and the evidence for accessing the brain quadrants you've associated with them?

Thank you. Especially for the last point.

 

[kibou]

Hey Adymus,
Quick question on a facial cue - I've been noticing a number of people do this eye gesture when they are explaining something and need a moment to find information to continue their explanation. The eyes "scan" back and forth sideways, usually staying vertically dead center. The way the eyes scan almost looks mechanical, like a machine that moves very quickly ten degrees, "takes a camera shot"?, then moves another ten degrees and so on.

The people who I know the type of who do this are all INTJs, so I was wondering if this gesture is somehow related to Ni or something else. It doesn't look like Ne, the way the eyes moves back and forth is extremely mechanical and not bouncy at all. It really looks like machinery moving!

 

[cheese]

Help -

Elisha Cuthbert?

YouTube - Elisha Cuthbert on David Letterman 05/02/05

Spoiler

I'm guessing some sort of FP - I'd go with ESFP, maybe?

Mandy Moore?

YouTube - Mandy Moore on David Letterman

Spoiler

ESFJ? Perhaps? SFJ seems fairly likely, I think.

Macauley Culkin?

YouTube - Macaulay Culkin interview 2004 (part 1)

Spoiler

INFJ? I feel good-ish about this one.

Kieran Culkin?

YouTube - Kieran Culkin - Scott Pilgrim vs. The World interview

YouTube - Kieran Culkin interview

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I barely tried on this one, since I was too distracted by his unwavering composure, both as a kid and adult. Almost every other interview I've seen has shown either overly brash confidence or frequent cracks in the armour - awkwardness, slow-wittedness, discomfort, etc. He remained intact through both interviews though - especially astounding in the adult one, considering the awkwardness of the interviewer and the set-up in general (all those now-you-hear-it,now-you-don't mic moments). Angelina Jolie's composure is a very close second to his, but like most people who appear to have incredible inner power, she lets her condescension slip occasionally. Kieran is just chill and in control without being overpoweringly so.

I don't know whether that points to a set of functions or the large family background (7 kids) since I've noticed kids in large families tend to be very well-adjusted and comfortable in social environments, and usually a little precocious.

Tried guessing half-heartedly at his articulation - dunno. I suspect he's got Ni and Se, but I don't know in what order. Someone help.

I did the girls (what fun) without really paying much attention to detailed cues (just forgot to, and lousy internet cap means I can't afford to rewatch them ) - just went with what they seemed to be articulating with (Fe or Te), whether they seemed profound or not (Ni vs Si - laugh all you want, I'll still be sad and lonely) and made up the E/I.

 

[XXXX]

Mandy Moore

Spoiler

Extroverted

I think she is a Fi user (her facial expressions and structure seem very Fi-esque to me) ...

.... which gives us ExFP ...

She seems more Ne than Se ... she also played an ENFP character in Scrubs (I think just almost all of J.D's GF were ENFP's), so that I'll go with.

Elisha Cuthbert

Spoiler

ExFP

She seems more Ne bouncy than Se, so I'll go with ENFP.

Macauley Culkin

Spoiler

He's definitely a Fe user, that was obvious straight of the bat for me.

Looks be using Si (concern) when left drifting not Ni to me and he did seem to be using Ne (bouncy) too and was much more energised when doing so.

Definitely not getting an xSFJ vibe, so I'm going to go with ENTP ... although not ruling out INTP

Kieran Culkin

Spoiler

Ti/Fe user.

I'm definitely getting a xNTP vibe.

I'm going to go with INTP

 

[cheese]

Damn. Now I want to rewatch them all but I probably shouldn't.

Spoiler

Mandy just seemed too cloying to be Fi - the area around the eyes seemed Fi-like, but everything was just so contrived. Maybe that's from being fake though. Not saying she is, just that I can't tell the difference between Fe and fake Fi users. Or do Fi people rarely fake expressions? That'd be my natural instinct; she just seems like she's trying so hard to get in his good books, but perhaps that's a personality trait rather than a cognitive thingo.

Macauley I thought had that profound, I-know-stuff-you-don't thing going on, so I went with a worldview-oriented type, and he only seemed to come out of his inner hidey-hole to drive home certain points (introversion).

Kieran - his smile seems to embrace his whole face. Seemed like an F type.

Thinking of just going back anyway and looking for what you saw.

 

[DesertSmeagle]

this is some crazy fuckin shit. I didnt know typology went this deep.

Ya know, this is almost like NLP. Just trying to use peoples expressions and methods of communications to psychoanalyze them. But can you influence them somehow?

 

[Words]

this is some crazy fuckin shit. I didnt know typology went this deep.

Yes, there's even an institute in Alaska that trains little children with psychological psychic powers. Infested zombies refugees are also held there for typological analysis.

Yup, type truly has stepped into a whole new level.

 

[DesertSmeagle]

Yes, there's even an institute in Alaska that trains little children with psychological psychic powers. Infested zombies refugees are also held there for typological analysis.

Yup, type truly has stepped into a whole new level.

Ya i know. I went to that institute. We dont analyze the zombies as much as we use them as guinea pigs to test our powers.

 

[The Gopher]

Ya i know. I went to that institute. We dont analyze the zombies as much as we use them as guinea pigs to test our powers.

ohh so you were the romanesque kid.

 

[Words]

Kindly type this person.

Salman Khan

 

[terraxceles]

^ I'm gonna say ENTP.

 

[Words]

^ I'm gonna say ENTP.

With the way he stutters so much?

 

[Emil-san]

With the way he stutters so much?

ENTP with a speach impediment?

Stuttering has nothing do to with personality as far as I know (I could very possibly be very wrong though, didn't even watch the video)

 

[typus]

Please, type these fellers!

Fredrik Reinfeldt
manneN^
Mona Sahlin
nylleT^


Does your judgment differ if you can't understand what the dudes (in the non-gendered sense, WHAT ELSE) are saying? I WONDER

 

[Words]

ENTP with a speach impediment?

maybe.

Stuttering has nothing do to with personality as far as I know (I could very possibly be very wrong though, didn't even watch the video)

'Articulation' or speech is usually related to Extraverted Judgement functions.

 

[Emil-san]

maybe.




'Articulation' or speech is usually related to Extraverted Judgement functions.

Yes, I know, but not stuttering as in:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuttering#Causes_of_developmental_stuttering


Which I see now, after watching part of the video, wasn't at all what you were talking about, so just forget I said anything!

 

[Jedi]

I'd have to agree Salman Khan is an ENTP. He stutters but as Words pointed out articulation is usually expressed through extraverted judgement, which would be his third function. His Fe can't keep up with his Ne.

How about these two guys:
YouTube - Jimi Hendrix - Interview

 

[The Gopher]

Bob Newhart?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=din5JORDXzk


almost positive INTP

 

[cheese]

Jimi Hendrix

Spoiler

INxJ, I think. Didn't pay attention to the other one, sorry. I don't think there's enough for me anyway.

Bob Newhart

Spoiler

Dunno. Hard for me to read through a speech, rather than real-time thought. Seems T-ish, anyway. Face drops down to expressionless really easily. Looks like perhaps he uses Fe too?
I don't have any strong ideas, but if I had to guess I'd go with INTP, I suppose.

The best thing about this video is watching these people unself-consciously have fun. In a young Hollywood do they'd all be preening while laughing, overly aware of everyone's gaze.

 

[The Gopher]

Bob Newhart

Spoiler

Dunno. Hard for me to read through a speech, rather than real-time thought. Seems T-ish, anyway. Face drops down to expressionless really easily. Looks like perhaps he uses Fe too?
I don't have any strong ideas, but if I had to guess I'd go with INTP, I suppose.

The best thing about this video is watching these people unself-consciously have fun. In a young Hollywood do they'd all be preening while laughing, overly aware of everyone's gaze.

yeah well this one is the one that shows it better.


YouTube - Bob Newhart and Dean Martin - "Hairpiece" sketch - '65 - original VT - HQ

 

[Jedi]

Newhart -

Spoiler

I've always considered him to be an INTP as well. Dean Martin... possibly ENFJ?. I'd have to say I prefer these old roasts compared to the recent ones.

Hendrix -

Spoiler

INFJ

Here's a better video of Dick Cavett:

YouTube - Dick & Woody shmooze with the audience

Dick Cavett -

Spoiler

He seems to carry himself like a Ti Dominant. INTP?

 

[terraxceles]

With the way he stutters so much?

I think this is something all Ne types do, it's not necessary an introvert thing or extrovert thing. I went with ENTP because he seems a little more comfortable with Fe than INTPs are, though I could be wrong.


Anyway, practice typing:

Keira Knightly
YouTube - Keira Knightley David letterman show

Spoiler

ENFP. Or possible ENTP, but I'm leaning more towards ENFP.

Jason Segel
YouTube - Jason Segel on Letterman 2009.03.06 (hq)

Spoiler

INFP

Natalie Portman
YouTube - TIME Interviews Natalie Portman

Spoiler

INTJ?

Beyonce
YouTube - Beyonce on David Letterman

Spoiler

ESFJ

 

[Words]

So, how do you test the hypothesis?

 

[terraxceles]

So, how do you test the hypothesis?

I swear I could read this post several different ways and answer completely different things every time, but anyway...

Well, by comparing habits of people who I know are a certain type (through self-assessment or other means) with those of others who seem similar and finding common threads within that. It's not very scientific, and probably hard for INTPs to understand, but it works for me.

In my experience, ENTPs are much more likely/tempted to string all their ideas together in one breath when excited making them "stutter", whereas INTPs would likely double-check everything with Ti before speaking, making them "pause" a lot more. For example:

INTP:
YouTube - I am INTP

ENTP:
YouTube - INTP test1

This might all be a load of baloney, but hey, at least it was worth putting it out there.

 

[Words]

I swear I could read this post several different ways and answer completely different things every time, but anyway...

Well, by comparing habits of people who I know are a certain type (through self-assessment or other means) with those of others who seem similar and finding common threads within that. It's not very scientific, and probably hard for INTPs to understand, but it works for me.

In my experience, ENTPs are much more likely/tempted to string all their ideas together in one breath when excited making them "stutter", whereas INTPs would likely double-check everything with Ti before speaking, making them "pause" a lot more. For example:

INTP:
YouTube - I am INTP

ENTP:
YouTube - INTP test1

This might all be a load of baloney, but hey, at least it was worth putting it out there.

Interesting proposition but why consider it a 'load of baloney'? Everything is worth putting out.

The only problem I find is the certainty of the type of the 'control group'.

 

[EvilScientist Trainee]

I have noticed that pretty much all of these videos that people posted have been in english. So, i wonder if a different language might difficult the process of reading, even a bit. I mean, there are cues to look in voice and face. so is there a chance that one's speech might influence the reader, at least the untrained one?

 

[kibou]

On the flipside, if this system works by visual cues, then if anything wouldn't foreign language users be easier to type for novices because we're less likely to be tempted by biases from verbal cues?

 

[JimHawkins]

Hmm, it helps with regards to picking up Fe and Fi; it’s hard to distinguish the meaning of various pitch inflections if I don’t know the context of the conversation! I think word choice can be used in some cases – dominant Tis seem to love demonstrating their extended vocabulary. I think Fi has certain stock phrases as well, or rather, their sentence structure suddenly becomes much more articulate when regarding their own feelings. Maybe.

I’m wondering if there’s a connection between adaptive types and smoother, more graceful hand gestures and directive types with more staccato or definitive movements? I’m wondering if this is a means of distinguishing an Fe person who is simply animated, and the Ne ‘bounce’: both of which to my mind look quite alike.

Right, I want to get better at this; videos are at post 191:

Keira Knightley:

Spoiler

INFJ: Mostly gathered from around the 3:50 mark. Actually there’s an Ni drift there, and another one at 4:02. And really noticeably about 5:57. She’s too engaged with Letterman for it not to be Fe, likewise her voice is too varied. And I always imagined a dominant Fe to also entertain the crowd, but she seems quite selective in her focus so I’m guessing auxiliary Fe. She seems to sit quite far back in her chair as well, like she’s holding a little of herself back so I’m guessing that’s a dominant introverted function. Plus I can imagine her doing the Ti dead-pan thing, rather than the more serious face of Te? She could be an ENFJ; but I just imagined them more inclusive in their Fe proceedings.

Natalie Portman:

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I’m going to say ISFJ. From 1:50 to about 2:10 she does the Si glance to the left several times in tandem with checking her memories. 2:10 seemed very Fe to me: she’s using emotion to highlight her point. About 1:41 I thought that was Ti, as she collects her thoughts into a logically coherent manner or rationalises her feelings. Saying that at 1:29, her eyes kind of look a bit Ni-ey. I’m not sure how I can explain that so maybe I’m wrong. She doesn’t seem to do it enough for her to be an Ni dominant.

Jason Segel:

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I had quite a tough time with this one. I want to say Fe dominant with how much he appeals to the audience and the ease which he articulates himself, who likewise seems to be using Ti quite a lot. But this was more a process of elimination: I didn’t see any Si, and only a few instances of what might be Ni, like at 5:07. Just before that when describing the aeroplane scene, his hand gesturing and body movement seems to imply that he is literally replaying the event in his mind and re-enacting it: Ni-Se combination perhaps? I’m going with ENFJ on this one. EDIT: I'm going to revise this to ESTP. He uses Ti far too much for it to be an inferior function; and his Fe just looks and feels a bit strained in comparison, but not so much that it's an inferior function.

Beyonce:
The Beyonce one has been banned. So I watched another one.

YouTube - Beyonce Interview at Late Show with David Letterman (22 April 2009)

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I’m going to say ENFJ as well (though she’s much calmer than Segel, maybe he isn’t?); 3:33, she does that ol’ Ni drift and to the left as well - where it’s supposed to be, lol. I’m rather confident that’s a lot of Fe all over the place: if she sits any further forward on their chair, she’ll fall off; she’s simply too engaging. Fe moment in particular at 4:57, when she turns to the audience: that’s just got to be directed emotion, she is ‘telling’ the audience how she and how they ought to feel.

 

[Ska]

I’m wondering if there’s a connection between adaptive types and smoother, more graceful hand gestures and directive types with more staccato or definitive movements? I’m wondering if this is a means of distinguishing an Fe person who is simply animated, and the Ne ‘bounce’: both of which to my mind look quite alike.

I've read this somewhere before, although I can't remember where. Js are defined by rigid movements while Ps move more swiftly and gracefully.

 

[cheese]

^Someone (probably Adymus) also drew a distinction between Se movements and Ne movements - the latter don't make any sense, they're just the result of excitement (almost like a baby pointlessly flailing their arms) whereas Se movements paint an actual physical picture.

I guess this could also be used to distinguish between Ne and Fe (which I also have a problem with) since those two will never be found close enough to confuse which is dominant (eg an INTP's Fe is not going to be confused with their Ne at all, since it's unlikely to be used very well/consciously).

 

[terraxceles]

Disregard everything I said before. It makes more sense that the "stuttering" comes from a weaker articulation function, that is, Fe/Te. Not Ne.

Plus I can imagine her doing the Ti dead-pan thing, rather than the more serious face of Te? She could be an ENFJ; but I just imagined them more inclusive in their Fe proceedings.

Te isn't always serious-face, actually, I think Ti is the only function which forces the person to drop emotion. Te, when supplied with Fi, or Ne/Se can be pretty emotive/animated and often mistaken for Fe (esp. when it's lower in the cognitive function hierarchy e.g IXFPs). The difference, in my opinion, is that Fe-emotive is more calculated and concerned with the reaction, whereas Te-emotive is more "look at how much fun I'm having!".

From the to the above examples... Beyonce is an Fe-user, whereas Jason Segel and Keira Knightley are more Fi-Te users in my opinion. (Not sure about Natalie Portman, but I think ISFJ sounds about right)