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I'll give you a list of famous people I am convinced are INTPs, I find it interesting how the cognitive functions are expressed in so differing ways for each one of them, so here we go:

Charlie Sheen
Marilyn Manson
Kobe Bryant
James Hetfield
Heath Ledger
Jonathan Ross
 

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I'll give you a list of famous people I am convinced are INTPs

Evidence?


  • Charlie Sheen. I don't see much INTP there, just a lot of drug abuse and fuzzy headed thinking. . Need more information
  • Marilyn Manson Yeah he's analytical, I was impressed with his analysis of other peoples reaction to him. I give is a possible.
  • Kobe Bryant INTPs are the geeks of the geeks (of the dorks). Unlikely one would make it to that level in a team sport of all things. Unlikely
  • James Hetfield Main interests are outdoor sports and activities. Not seeing a lot of INTP here, need more evidence
  • Heath Ledger Nothing compellingly INTP Need more evidence
  • Jonathan Ross I'm out of time More evidence
 

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Evidence?


  • Charlie Sheen. I don't see much INTP there, just a lot of drug abuse and fuzzy headed thinking. . Need more information
  • Marilyn Manson Yeah he's analytical, I was impressed with his analysis of other peoples reaction to him. I give is a possible.
  • Kobe Bryant INTPs are the geeks of the geeks (of the dorks). Unlikely one would make it to that level in a team sport of all things. Unlikely
  • James Hetfield Main interests are outdoor sports and activities. Not seeing a lot of INTP here, need more evidence
  • Heath Ledger Nothing compellingly INTP Need more evidence
  • Jonathan Ross I'm out of time More evidence

Ok, I'll try to give some video examples: Kobe (awkwardness of dealing with the fan, look up some other interview if you wanna hear him talk) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGUnPSRM8TU&feature=g-u-u

Manson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nc-edAYHH8

Hetfield is one of the vaguest guesses after watching the metallica documentary, I suppose ISTJ is likely as well (Kirk I type as INTJ, Lars ESFJ)

Heath ledger (I just relate so much to his demeanor, some obvius Ne humor and Ti analysis in this one): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-B4NXW6bH8&feature=player_embedded

Sheen and Ross are a bit hard to pin point exactly why I came to that conclusion... What other types would you consider likely for them (for some Ne brainstorming?)?
 

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Heath Ledger

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I don't have a technique. I've never been a believer in having one set technique on how to act. There are no rules and there is no rulebook.
Not a Ti

I actually hate comic book movies, like fucking hate them, they just bore me shitless and they're just dumb. But I thought what Chris Nolan did with Batman was actually really good, really well directed, and Christian Bale was really great in it.
He is sooo not an INTP.

At the end of the day, it all comes down to my instincts. That's the one thing that guides me through every decision professionally. Socially, also. That's my technique. Yeah, you read through the script 100 times. I guess I have little characteristics about myself. Sometimes, most often than not, once we start shooting I won't look at the script at all until we finished shooting. It's kind of like it's been imprinted in my head during rehearsals. You just let it go.
Make all his decisions, professionally and socially, on his instincts, his intuition. Clear N-dom.

You know when you see the preachers down South? And they grab a believer and they go, "Bwoom! I touch you with the hand of God!" And they believe so strongly, they're on the ground shaking and spitting. And fuck's sake, that's the power of belief. Now, I don't believe in Jesus, but I believe in my performance. And if you can understand that the power of belief is one of the great tools of our time and that a lot of acting comes from it, you can do anything.
Believes in the power of his own beliefs. That's also an N-dom thing.

I'm not good at future planning. I don't plan at all. I don't know what I'm doing tomorrow. I don't have a day planner and I don't have a diary. I completely live in the now, not in the past, not in the future.
Makes decisions in the moment. Doesn't plan ahead. No Te.

I only do this because I'm having fun. The day I stop having fun, I'll just walk away.
Feeler.

N-dom. Feeler. => NF, with functions Nx-Fx. No Te. So Fe-Ti. That makes Ni-Fe. INFJ.

INFJs and INTPs are often mistaken for each other.

Check the video again. He is clearly trying to make the other guy feel good.
 

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Charlie Sheen

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Can't is the cancer of happen.
Totally believes in himself, 100%. Pecerptual-dominant to an extreme.

Sorry my life is so much more bitchin' than yours. I planned it this way.
Te.

I'm tired of pretending like I'm not bitching, a total … rock star from Mars, and people can't figure me out; they can't process me. I don't expect them to. You can't process me with a normal brain. (The Today Show)
Definitely NOT a Sensor.

I'm on a quest to claim absolute victory on every front.
Got that "I gotta win everything" attitude of an Ni-dom.

Perceptual dominant, extremely high in Te, NOT a Sensor. Only one answer to all that: Ni-Te. INTJ.

Most of the time—and this includes naps—I'm an F-18, bro, and I will destroy you in the air, and I will deploy my ordnance to the ground.
The unbelievable confidence of an INTJ.
 

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I'll give you a list of famous people I am convinced are INTPs, I find it interesting how the cognitive functions are expressed in so differing ways for each one of them, so here we go:

Charlie Sheen
Marilyn Manson
Kobe Bryant
James Hetfield
Heath Ledger
Jonathan Ross

I don't think any of these are INTPs. o.o
Just took a brief look at all of them, my visual reading would say:

Charlie Sheen:
Ni/Se user for sure, Te/Fi user.
Confirmed: TeNi

Marylin Manson:
Te/Fi user likely, maybe Ne/Si. Probably lead-judger.
Possibly: TeSi

Kobe Bryant:
Fe/Ti user for sure, probably Ne/Si.
Possibly: SiFe

James Hetfield:
Definitely Te/Fi user. Very likely Se/Ni user. Explorer energy.
Likely: SeFi

Heath Ledger:
Perception-lead for sure, worldview (Si/Ni) lead. Near-identical to SiFe Johnny Depp.
Very likely: SiFe

Jonathan Ross:
Si/Ne seems quite likely. Te/Fi seems more likely than Fe/Ti. Perception-lead seems more likely, but unsure.
Possibly: SiTe (heavy Ne) or NeFi (heavy Te).
 

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Heath Ledger

From Wikiquotes:Not a Ti

He is sooo not an INTP.

Make all his decisions, professionally and socially, on his instincts, his intuition. Clear N-dom.

Believes in the power of his own beliefs. That's also an N-dom thing.

Makes decisions in the moment. Doesn't plan ahead. No Te.

Feeler.

N-dom. Feeler. => NF, with functions Nx-Fx. No Te. So Fe-Ti. That makes Ni-Fe. INFJ.

INFJs and INTPs are often mistaken for each other.

Check the video again. He is clearly trying to make the other guy feel good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-kSUcMq47U&feature=relmfu

I just see way too much sarcarstic humor for him to be a feeler. I'll ponder on this a bit more. He also seems to mirror his body language in a very Ne way (Ne is about mirroring bodywise, Fe is more about facial stuff and what is socially appropriate otherwise)
 

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I don't think any of these are INTPs. o.o
Just took a brief look at all of them, my visual reading would say:

Charlie Sheen:
Ni/Se user for sure, Te/Fi user.
Confirmed: TeNi

Marylin Manson:
Te/Fi user likely, maybe Ne/Si. Probably lead-judger.
Possibly: TeSi

Kobe Bryant:
Fe/Ti user for sure, probably Ne/Si.
Possibly: SiFe

James Hetfield:
Definitely Te/Fi user. Very likely Se/Ni user. Explorer energy.
Likely: SeFi

Heath Ledger:
Perception-lead for sure, worldview (Si/Ni) lead. Near-identical to SiFe Johnny Depp.
Very likely: SiFe

Jonathan Ross:
Si/Ne seems quite likely. Te/Fi seems more likely than Fe/Ti. Perception-lead seems more likely, but unsure.
Possibly: SiTe (heavy Ne) or NeFi (heavy Te).

Johnny Depp is an INFP isn't he?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eVoXf9BypU That is as obvious Ne humor as can be!
 

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Watching that Manson interview, with Letterman, I got the impression he felt genuinely awkward and on the spot up there- that he wasn't trying to be weird, he just couldn't exactly help it.

That is the only two cents I have here.
 

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Heath Ledger

I don't have a technique. I've never been a believer in having one set technique on how to act. There are no rules and there is no rulebook.
From Wikiquotes:Not a Ti

He is sooo not an INTP.

I am not convinced with your evidence as to why he is a feeler. Also, I have no idea why you claim he's no Ti based on that quote. Which part of the quote tells you he's no Ti? (Basing myself on your post / quotes here, you might well be right, I just don't see your point given your arguments.)
 
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Marilyn Manson
MM is no INTP.

If you're looking for an INTP frontman, check out Andy Partridge of XTC or Damon Albarn of Blur/Gorillaz. Or Syd Barrett.

@Auburn IMO You'd get a better read from backstage footage as opposed to an interview on national television. There's quite a bit of preparation involved in such interviews and the stress of such a situation may actually be emphasizing lower functions.

Based on lyrics as well as more complex phenomenon such as the fact that the albums Portrait of an American Family, Antichrist Superstar, and Mechanical Animals tell a sequential story in reverse order than when they were released, I'm willing to bet INFJ.
 

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If you're looking for an INTP frontman, check out Andy Partridge of XTC or Damon Albarn of Blur/Gorillaz. Or Syd Barrett.

I'm looking for famous people. If anything this thread taught us that we intps have very differing understandings of MBTI.

MM is no INTP.


@Auburn IMO You'd get a better read from backstage footage as opposed to an interview on national television. There's quite a bit of preparation involved in such interviews and the stress of such a situation may actually be emphasizing lower functions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brVo2gIzDas

Manson on ENTP Howard Sterns show (with INFJ robin), here he is himself completely and if you tell me he's a feeler I rest may case with you
 

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If anything this thread taught us that we intps have very differing understandings of MBTI.

No. Architect, scorpio and Auburn have true comprehension and will probably agree on many things MBTI-related. Yours is just way...way off.
 

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No. Architect, scorpio and Auburn have true comprehension and will probably agree on many things MBTI-related. Yours is just way...way off.

The only thing I believe I was wrong about was Hetfield, otherwise please construct some counter-arguments for me to consider you criticism as valid.
 

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I bet you Leonardo Da Vinci was, he was obsessed with a huge variety of topics: painter, sculptor, architect, musician, scientist, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, geologist, cartographer, botanist, and writer. Obsessed with figuring everything out plus never finishing anything (loads of unfinished inventions and paintings from him)? INTP big time.

Well, he was also a genius which helps with all that stuff...I heard he was quite introverted somewhere as well I think, if not he's at least ENTP.
 

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Mason is the only one on the list that I could see being an INTP. I heard an interview with him on a local radio station recently, and he's definitely introverted and a thinker. I would be more willing to lean towards INTP, because of how he questions everything about societal norms. In a documentary I watched on him, he was talking about his weak Fe (not in those term of course). Although he could be an ISTP, or INTJ. Either way, he's seems like a pretty smart guy. His music stared out ok and has just gotten progressively worse.

But really, Kobe? Yes he's clearly introverted, but that's all I can get from your line of logic here.
 

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Yeah, well typing people you don't know is hard. Typing public figures is harder because they usually (always?) have a public persona that obfuscates the person underneath. One problem with this thread is there are too many people thrown in it to give each the proper treatment; better to take each one individually in their own thread.

So instead of flogging this horse I'll say a few things about typing. One thing the PodLairians (shudder) got right is that there are physiognomic manifestations. For example ...

  • The eyes Thinkers tend to have blank eyes, like looking at a wall. With feelers the eyes really are the windows into the soul. ESTJ women have a hard, almost hard alcoholic look to their eyes.
  • Endo/ecto Example, INTPs tend to look like Beaker (The Muppets) while their close cousins look like any big burly guy you could happen to name.
  • Dress. Academic nerdy types will dress the part, same for a flowery ESFP.

And so on. Now with a basic visual assessment its time to look for a dominant function. Here is a handy list The Functions. First I start with the extraverted doms versus introverted, as that is easy to spot

  • Te ESTJ or ENTJ
  • Fe ESFJ or ENFJ
  • Se ESTP or ESFP
  • Ne ENFP or ENTP

If you see an introverted dominant, then

  • Si ISTJ or ISFJ
  • Ti ISTP or INTP
  • Fi ISFP or INFP
  • Ni INFJ or INTJ

Then it's simply a matter of determining S vs N (usually easy) and T versus F (also easy). From the tables above you can then zero in on the persons likely type.

More or less this is the method I use. Actually more often I 'sniff' it out (using my Ne intuition to feed data from the person to my analysis Ti core - same difference). It should work well for most people, but perhaps 10%-20% of people are un-typable and require more work than this. And as I say public figures take more careful investigation.
 

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But really, Kobe? Yes he's clearly introverted, but that's all I can get from your line of logic here.

A lot of the material I based my typing on Kobe seems to be deleted from youtube (some kimmel interviews etc) so I can't really try to prove my point there... I might try and find some new stuff.

@Architect I am very knowledgeable (in my subjective opinion) of the cognitive functions and their facial and vocal manifestations which is pretty much all I base my typings off of... I don't go about it in such a pragmatic way. (example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thc1jP_jcSQ )
 

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@Architect. No... hell no. o.O

1. The eyes don't disern T vs F whatsoever. They discern the perception functions.
2. The body type has more to do with your metabolism & bone structure (hereditary traits not associated with cognition in the least).
3. Dress is a very poor indicator of type, and more an indicator of culture.

@thehabitatdoctor - Mmhmm, agreed. Just looked at a few more videos and managed to narrow it down more. Te/Fi was right, so was Si/Ne, and so was lead-judger. but his lead function is Fi, followed by Ne. (INFP). I'd at least bet my sock on the Fi-lead. =p

He is a type of male Lady Gaga, it seems. The type of shamelessness he has, and strong individuality to the point of becoming extremely bizarre and looked at as a symbol of something (evil) he is entirely opposed to, is very indicative of Fi being misunderstood.
 

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@thehabitatdoctor - Mmhmm, agreed. Just looked at a few more videos and managed to narrow it down more. Te/Fi was right, so was Si/Ne, and so was lead-judger. but his lead function is Fi, followed by Ne. (INFP). I'd at least bet my sock on the Fi-lead. =p

He is a type of male Lady Gaga, it seems. The type of shamelessness he has, and strong individuality to the point of becoming extremely bizarre and looked at as a symbol of something (evil) he is entirely opposed to, is very indicative of Fi being misunderstood.

Did you watch the stern interview? The fact that you believe Manson has inferior T is beyond me.
 

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The eyes don't disern T vs F whatsoever. They discern the perception functions.

P or J you mean? Those are problematic at best. Jung didn't have them, they were added by Myers (I believe) to balance out the theory. They are the most difficult and error prone to type in a person too as we all exhibit organization and openness.

However I agree those do come out in the eyes, but I disagree in that T/F is primarily through the eyes and face.


The body type has more to do with your metabolism & bone structure (hereditary traits not associated with cognition in the least).

Metabolism is largely determined in childhood. Example, all the Sensor kids I see running around are eating like pigs and taking sports. The intuitives are sitting around and not much interested in food. That was the case for me, and I grew up to be a tall thin ectomorph with a slow metabolism. My INTP kid is doing the exact same. Sensor kids, almost to the last one, are chubby and muscular.

Dress is a very poor indicator of type, and more an indicator of culture.

You're saying a lot here without giving any evidence or examples. Hard to take your declarations seriously. At any rate, when I lived in Germany I didn't see a single person wearing lederhosen. Likewise in Japan the only Kimonos I saw were in a upscale department store (not sure what they wear those for anymore, formal dinners?) Two very different cultures and they dressed western, as we all do. On average the Japanese did dress up in suits, but within that you could see personality come through. This is in a highly narrow and regimented society. Same in Germany, though they tend to dress basically the same as in the U.S. You have to go to the Middle East to see some differences, but it's mostly in headwear - veils and turbans.

But seriously, you believe a NT woman would choose the same flowery dress I saw on a clear SF woman today? Please.
 

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Did you watch the stern interview? The fact that you believe Manson has inferior T is beyond me.

Well, the video has no footage of him. =P
But I did listen to a bit of it..

What makes you think he's not infeior T?

Also, neat video, is that you?
 

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That is not me, I am an INTP. I don't believe he has inferior T because he is extremely logical and analytical among other things
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-kSUcMq47U&feature=relmfu

I just see way too much sarcarstic humor
Sarcasm? Where? You mean when he was talking about being The Joker?

for him to be a feeler.
Feelers are too sensitive to be ironic. Not like us INTPs. We're all emotionless robots who are afraid of nothing, and laugh in the face of criticism.

He also seems to mirror his body language in a very Ne way (Ne is about mirroring bodywise, Fe is more about facial stuff and what is socially appropriate otherwise)
Body language and facial expressions that are uncontrollable, are expressive of one's personality. Something that everyone in the entire world knows about, and 90% of PUAs and salesmen fake, is something that people know to fake, and how to fake about, too easily to reflect one's personality. Considering he's an actor, and a good one, you' expect that he can mirror posture, and do facial expressions on cue.

However, he doe have a couple of Freudian slips.

1) In both the previous video and this one, every time he thinks, he pauses, and turns to the left and speaks. The INTP thing, is to look down very bashfully. However, it's still a Freudian slip, and still indicates something. There are references to what it means online.

2) When he is describing the village that the others there have been to, he moves his hands, as if his fingers are passing over the bridge, and around the piazza. That too is not a known thing, has no relevance, and seems to be an idiosyncratic quirk of his. If you find anything about that and MBTI, that would be telling.

Finally, MBTI is about how we THINK. How we speak, gives one a reasonable idea of how we think, even if we sometimes have to think into the words. How we act, and how we write also do. But facial expressions are a heck of a lot harder to tie in to what one is thinking, especially those of INTPs and INTJs. I don't know WHY people rely so heavily on facial expressions, when one has their words, their expressed thoughts, or at least the thoughts they want us to hear, to analyse.

I am not convinced with your evidence as to why he is a feeler.
Mostly because he said that he'd walk away from a multi-million dollar career, the minute it wasn't fun anymore. That is basing your entire career, and your livelihood, and the income that will raise your child, on a purely emotional factor. Even INTPs are more practical than that.

Also, I have no idea why you claim he's no Ti based on that quote. Which part of the quote tells you he's no Ti? (Basing myself on your post / quotes here, you might well be right, I just don't see your point given your arguments.)
Ti is about rules. It's how Ti fnds contradictions and inconsistencies. The rules of logic say that no 2 connected items can imply the same truth false and true, simultaneously, which we call an inconsistency. The rules of logic also says that the same item cannot imply that another truth is true via one sequence of steps of logic, and false, via another sequence of steps of logic, which we can a contradiction. When we flag up either, we are checking to see if anything we know of a subject, contains a contradiction or an inconsistency.

Ti also develops rules, that allow us INTPs to know how to do stuff flawlessly. We don't fly by the seat of our pants all the time, like Ni-doms. We're more accurate than they are, because we've worked out the rules of the system, and follow them almost flawlessly. Ti lives by rules.

Heath Ledger says "Burn the rulebook, and throw out all the rules."

I bet you Leonardo Da Vinci was, he was obsessed with a huge variety of topics: painter, sculptor, architect, musician, scientist, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, geologist, cartographer, botanist, and writer. Obsessed with figuring everything out plus never finishing anything (loads of unfinished inventions and paintings from him)? INTP big time.

Well, he was also a genius which helps with all that stuff...I heard he was quite introverted somewhere as well I think, if not he's at least ENTP.
More likely an ENTP. Too keen on inventions.

The guy who made Perspective, Filippo Brunelleschi, that is used in every drawing, every painting, every graphical design, every CAD design, and every video game, for the last 500 years, seems like an INTP to me. Figuring how to draw a perspective perfectly, is such an INTP thing. Plus, he was the first to make a patent for one of his inventions. He invented the concept of Intellectual Property.
 
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I've seen a lot of INTPs wearing the most craziest get ups that they just make up out of nowhere. Saw one girl just wear neon-colored clothes so cars would see her, another wear a hippie outfit, another wearing 18th century garb. They were all math majors, really really introverted, and completely oblivious.
 
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Mason is the only one on the list that I could see being an INTP. I heard an interview with him on a local radio station recently, and he's definitely introverted and a thinker. I would be more willing to lean towards INTP, because of how he questions everything about societal norms. In a documentary I watched on him, he was talking about his weak Fe (not in those term of course). Although he could be an ISTP, or INTJ. Either way, he's seems like a pretty smart guy. His music stared out ok and has just gotten progressively worse.

How would you feel about ENTP (tertiary Fe)? Questioning norms isn't imited to xTNPs in the least though. Could this be the tertiary Ti of an INFJ with Ni doing the norm-questioning and Fe manifesting on stage?


Auburn's INFP... I've got to think about. Why do I go off so hard listening to him? (Rhetorical question)

@ Auburn ^Agreed.

@ Lot: I agree. Everything after 2003 sucks because he didn't take care of his voice, which takes a lot out of his music regardless of lyrical content.
 

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But seriously, you believe a NT woman would choose the same flowery dress I saw on a clear SF woman today? Please.

@Architect

I'm wearing a dress right now, granted it isn't flowery, it is plain and solid black and cotton, and I chose today because I when it was time to get dressed I didn't feel like bothering with putting an outfit together and this just went over the head and was done.

Anyway, I have to say I also think you are stretching a bit far with the idea that there are marked physiological differences between types that can be noted to the point of being defining points to the types. Perhaps in a way they could be indicators to probable types to start out with investigating a person as being, but you seem to me to be boxing the possible correlation as definite proof.

My first comment about my dress aside, I would be willing to believe that different types are more prone to dressing certain ways, but that doesn't mean every NT has no fashion sense at all. I would think it would be more likely that the fashion sense would be practical and unconventional and personally amusing with a disregard to societal expectations more often than not, but not necessarily complete dorky obliviousness.
 

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Anyway, I have to say I also think you are stretching a bit far with the idea that there are marked physiological differences between types that can be noted to the point of being defining points to the types.

Maybe we agree. Look I'm not saying "Hey, there's a woman in a pink dress, that can't be an INTP!", and that there aren't any overweight INTP's, or skinny sensors (I know examples of both). What I am saying is that there are many clues you can find that sum together to help determine a persons type, and dress and physiology is one of them.
 
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I would think it would be more likely that the fashion sense would be practical and unconventional and personally amusing with a disregard to societal expectations more often than not, but not necessarily complete dorky obliviousness.

INTPs seem to be pretty oblivious. Its nice to be stuck in your own head, and walk around as if you were from another time period. I myself like to imagine I'm from a Mad Max movie.
 

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I've seen a lot of INTPs wearing the most craziest get ups that they just make up out of nowhere. Saw one girl just wear neon-colored clothes so cars would see her, another wear a hippie outfit, another wearing 18th century garb. They were all math majors, really really introverted, and completely oblivious.

This is sort of my point in my post to Architect.

Practical

Unconventional

Personally amusing


What part of any of that equals completely oblivious? Oblivious to care about whether anyone else approved perhaps.
 
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Oblivious to care about whether anyone else approved perhaps.

I think thats the point :P Thats not a good thing! It's like those nerd make over shows where they just wear whatever they pick up off the ground, or go around in LARP costumes pretending to be a wizard.
 

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So, you really want to be that much of an asshole? Unfortunate, we were having a healthy discussion I thought. I refuse to continue talking since you want to behave like a child.

ok fine.. >>
i'm out too.. ..and sorry if that was too bold.

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Maybe we agree. Look I'm not saying "Hey, there's a woman in a pink dress, that can't be an INTP!", and that there aren't any overweight INTP's, or skinny sensors (I know examples of both). What I am saying is that there are many clues you can find that sum together to help determine a persons type, and dress and physiology is one of them.


Okay. I would mostly agree with you if that is what you were meaning.
 

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I think thats the point :P Thats not a good thing! It's like those nerd make over shows where they just wear whatever they pick up off the ground, or go around in LARP costumes pretending to be a wizard.


Unless you are trying to get a job or make friends or not have child protective services called on you then it doesn't really matter. Your point is invalid! :king-twitter:
 

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So, you really want to be that much of an asshole? Unfortunate, we were having a healthy discussion I thought. I refuse to continue talking since you want to behave like a child.
@Architect do try not to be too hard on him. I'm sure he's just frustrated about something. We all go through those times, right?

I'm starting to learn how human INTPs can really be. It's a little scary actually...
 

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ok fine.. >>
i'm out too.. ..and sorry if that was too bold.

*deleted post*

It stepped over the line for me. Sharp elbows are OK but we need to keep it civil. No worries otherwise, don't sweat it.
 

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Ok... back to the OP.

You can definitely rule out Heath being an INTP. Just look at that eye contact. He's literally starting right at that guy for the whole video. I don't know a single INTP that would be comfortable doing that for even a few seconds.
 

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No. Architect, scorpio and Auburn have true comprehension and will probably agree on many things MBTI-related. Yours is just way...way off.

Shortly afterwards, Architect and Auburn come to blows and stop talking to each other over their interpretation of MBTI.

Perfect.
 

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Shortly afterwards, Architect and Auburn come to blows and stop talking to each other over their interpretation of MBTI.

Perfect.

Heh, maybe they wanted to test it out. To my defense, they were talking about physiognomic typing, a highly contentious and blurry issue. I was talking about the basic essence of Jungian typology, which I think they grasp as opposed to Ink, who completely misses. The basic essence of it is the only thing you need to be very critical of Ink's "list of certain INTPs." Maybe Ink is newly introduced to JCF and testing his comprehension via testing his conclusions in this forum.

The only thing I believe I was wrong about was Hetfield, otherwise please construct some counter-arguments for me to consider you criticism as valid.
I appreciate your argumentativeness, but that would be too tedious and too theoretical. I think this stuff should be self-learned by simply studying the people close to you, reconstructing your comprehension as you go. Once you attain basic but true understanding, I will eagerly discuss this stuff with you. 'Course, there is no validity in my words.
 

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I appreciate your argumentativeness, but that would be too tedious and too theoretical. I think this stuff should be self-learned by simply studying the people close to you, reconstructing your comprehension as you go. Once you attain basic but true understanding, I will eagerly discuss this stuff with you. 'Course, there is no validity in my words.

I have true comprehension and you don't, and since I am the only one of us trying to display my 'comprehension' you have no say :)
 

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May this thread serve as an example of how MBTI shouldn't be used.
 

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Shortly afterwards, Architect and Auburn come to blows and stop talking to each other over their interpretation of MBTI.

Perfect.

Isn't the definition of an expert as somebody who doesn't agree with the experts? :D

We made up, no big deal.

May this thread serve as an example of how MBTI shouldn't be used.

No I think a lot of valid points have been made, but it turned into a bit of a mosh pit. Better to rewind and try again.
 

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Isn't the definition of an expert as somebody who doesn't agree with the experts? :D

We made up, no big deal.



No I think a lot of valid points have been made, but it turned into a bit of a mosh pit. Better to rewind and try again.

@Architect

Does that definition apply more to an expert per se or an iconoclastic crank?
 

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Does that definition apply more to an expert per se or an iconoclastic crank?

Well I pulled it out of my ass so I'll take the latter.
 

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Ok... back to the OP.

You can definitely rule out Heath being an INTP. Just look at that eye contact. He's literally starting right at that guy for the whole video. I don't know a single INTP that would be comfortable doing that for even a few seconds.

Yo, he's confident, aiite?
 
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Lets try an experiment. Give a plausible argument that these people are INTPs, and Architect will shoot it down:

Fluttershy from My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic
Grumpy Bear from Care Bears: TOS
Isa the Iguana from Dora the Explorer

These shows are where I get most of my complex world view from so please treat them with respect. They're a great study of economics in a complex imaginary world where small animals are given supernatural powers that could potentially wipe out all life, where small bears shoot death rays out of their bellies while trying to teach morality, and a little girl accomplishes more in a day than I do in a year. The last one is particularly unbelievable.
 
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