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There may have been a topic already on this but since I see none on the first page, or its in disguise. Please do not post a link to a similar thread, if you do I'll reach through my screen and slap you on your end.

If you could die anyway you wanted to, how would you want to go out? This probably makes me sound more like an NF but I would like to go out in some form of matyrdom. Sacrifice my own life for others, whether staying behind and blowing myself up to hold off enemy hostiles, pushing someone out of the way from being hit by a train or semitruck and taking the hit myself.
 

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I would like an elegantly dressed gentleman to shoot me through the head with a silenced gun.


The question of how I would like my body to be treated afterwards is more interesting. Three possibilities:
- To be launched into the far reaches of space - or simply the sun - in a durable spacecraft.​

- To have someone feed my body to wild animals, in other words the environmentalist approach.​

- To have someone let my body rot for a few weeks and then throw it into the house of someone I don't like.​
 

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Ah, there is only one pleasant death for an INTP: to be burnt at the stake for heresy.

Well, the other option would be a mysterious death on a ominous date and the body was never found...
 

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I do not care for a beautiful death. I do not wanna die under any circumstances, but when I do go I want the full experience: A long time of suffering and fear beforehand.
 

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I do not care for a beautiful death. I do not wanna die under any circumstances, but when I do go I want the full experience: A long time of suffering and fear beforehand.

I would like to actually feel my life fading. I think. Death is probably one of those things you only wanna try after a recommendation from someone with experience.
 

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I don't mind that much, though I'd prefer something unusual and either funny or tragic. Or tragically funny. Like if I died by getting sucked through an airplane toilet and spent the remainder of my life falling from the sky covered in toilet water. I'd be happy with that.

I even told my best friend if it was some sort of strange/unusual death, I'd like it put on my tombstone. I want an empty coffin to be buried and my actual body to be secretly burned and the ashes put into a bottle and tossed out to sea.
 

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I've imagined what Legionnaire described a few times as well. I would like to sacrifice myself if I know that I can save more lives that way than by continuing to live. I really loved the way Nathaniel died at the end of the Bartimaeus Trilogy. You know, something like: "Yeah, I'll be fine, go ahead, I'm coming in a sec." And then: "BOOM!!"
 

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B-but I don't want to die! Unless I die in the search for immortality. Maybe something painfully ironic, like dying on the way to a doctor visit for a curable form of cancer. Just make it quick...
 

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Suicide at the age of 45 deep in the jungle where nobody would ever find me, and if they did there won't be identification on me. Nobody would know I was dead - I'd just take off one day saying I needed to explore the world and give a trustworthy friend a stack of letters (on differing paper/ink) to be sent out twice a year to certain family members to let them know I'm alright.

These are the two best deaths ever, though.
 

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When I die, I'd like it to be worth something. I don't know If i'd like to be remembered or not, but I'd like someone to gain something from my death.

But I'm not saying no to heresy either. Being burnt at the stake is apparently a lot more painless than you would think. The smoke knocks you out first apparently.
 

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Speaking of being worth something. Here's a fun litttle test.
 

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I think I'd like to mysteriously vanish. If I knew it was time I'd just take a long hike to the wildest place I could reach, find some nice stone slab, (preferably high up a mountain) and expire.

I want an air burial - to be fed to birds. Ravens.

Since this isn't culturally acceptable I'll have to make sure I die where only the birds can find me.
 

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I think it would be cool to be the first to die in a certain way or place like the first to be pushed out an airlock into deep space or the first on Mars to die.
 

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i want to die of a brain tumor. something about everyone knowing i'm going to die, yet avoiding the issue, and me getting to make off color jokes about my own condition to make people feel even more uncomfortable just seems like a great way to spend the last few months of my life. plus i'd be tripping balls on painkillers the entire time.
 

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Death from an old age?

If not this, then I would like to control my death. And die in some absolutely unexpected way.

I'm standing on a roof of a skyscraper, and somebody's pointing a gun at me, threatening to kill me if I suddenly would try to carry out some weird plan for escaping. But I back up to the edge of the roof - so close I could easily fall if the wind was blowing harder - and take out a gun which I had hid earlier. Then I turn it towards my heart and with a roguish smirk on my face I pull the trigger.
And all this happens in few seconds before the other person is able to grasp the situation.

Perhaps I will leave mysterious hints which would bespeak the name of my murderer...who will be an absolutely random person I found in a telephone catalog.
 

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Im with Vegard Pompey on this, I ofter hear people saying they would like to die while they sleep or of something sudden and painless, that would really suck.

Dead worth: $ 4400
Alive worth: $2,222,838
 

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I was thinking about this and I would also like to leave some kind of hints/clues to something mysterious for someone else to find. Like buried treasure or something. Eventually, someone curious will discover it and follow the paper trail.
 

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...and then the adventurer finds a piece of pergament which says: "Did you knew I was kidding?"
 

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Im with Vegard Pompey on this, I ofter hear people saying they would like to die while they sleep or of something sudden and painless, that would really suck.

Dying in my sleep like that would suck, I'd like to see death coming a mile away and fight it until the end, eventually dying after a long time of losing limbs and organs one by one.
 

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There may have been a topic already on this but since I see none on the first page, or its in disguise. Please do not post a link to a similar thread, if you do I'll reach through my screen and slap you on your end.

If you could die anyway you wanted to, how would you want to go out? This probably makes me sound more like an NF but I would like to go out in some form of matyrdom. Sacrifice my own life for others, whether staying behind and blowing myself up to hold off enemy hostiles, pushing someone out of the way from being hit by a train or semitruck and taking the hit myself.

I have come close to freezing to death on a couple of occasions, it was really quite a pleasant experience (relatively speaking) drifting off to 'sleep' in a snowbank/bed, until I was 'rescued' and then the returning circulation caused quite a bit of agony...
 

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=P I'm not worth so much yet. Just you lot wait.
 

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¬_¬ s'just 'cos you're older than me.
 

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I hate spinach, it tastes gross. And I like milk, that'll help =)
 

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Dying in my sleep like that would suck, I'd like to see death coming a mile away and fight it until the end, eventually dying after a long time of losing limbs and organs one by one.

Hmmm! does the name The Black Knight ring a bell?
 

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Let that be a lesson to you, kids! Eating spinach speeds the process of aging! :p

*gasp* Quick, call CERN! They'll scrap the particle accelerator to work on this one!
 

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I have come close to freezing to death on a couple of occasions, it was really quite a pleasant experience (relatively speaking) drifting off to 'sleep' in a snowbank/bed, until I was 'rescued' and then the returning circulation caused quite a bit of agony...

I've experienced a little near-hypothermic bliss, though not nearly so close as it sounds you have, and it wasn't nature induced. It was a reaction to anaesthetic and my core temp. dropped dramatically. I couldn't understand the fuss they made trying to warm me back up again - I felt fine. Muddle-headed and warm actually, like being wrapped in cotton-wool.

If that's any indication then hypothermia would be my death of choice, easy to induce and it fits perfectly with the vanishing in the wilderness scenario. Looks like I have a plan!
 

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Hypothermia doesn't sound too bad.

We shall have to organise a mass-suicide-camping-trip one day!
 

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I've always liked the cold... ;)

Can we go to Antarctica? I'd love to see the penguins before I die (...or are there penguins in the next life? Or maybe just pangolins...)
 

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I believe that there is some form of afterlife.

Me too, Sometimes I think Our dreams are a way to prepare us for it
 

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I always hear people saying that death is the only constant in life.And I don't even believe in constants.Granted people say that pi is a constant,but what if you change the conditions of the experiment which proves that,what if you perform the experiment in an environment that doesn't have the same laws of reality like ours.What happens then?I don't know so I have to assume that it might not be the truth.Death is the same,it can be definite,but it doesn't have to be,maybe it's just a transition.Besides matter and energy cannot be destroyed,they can only change form.So I believe that the energy of our thoughts and consciousness will continue to exist even if we're not aware of them anymore.
 

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I always hear people saying that death is the only constant in life.And I don't even believe in constants.Granted people say that pi is a constant,but what if you change the conditions of the experiment which proves that,what if you perform the experiment in an environment that doesn't have the same laws of reality like ours.What happens then?I don't know so I have to assume that it might not be the truth.Death is the same,it can be definite,but it doesn't have to be,maybe it's just a transition.Besides matter and energy cannot be destroyed,they can only change form.So I believe that the energy of our thoughts and consciousness will continue to exist even if we're not aware of them anymore.

Hmmm DID you Read the entire "Mind Field" article?
 

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I don´t want any afterlife. What shall I do there? Playing Scrabble with Jesus and Einstein? Thanks, but no, I am not interested. I just want my eternal peace.
 

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I'm not aware of that article,haven't seen it.

Here it is ...


The Thought Field, the Thermodynamics of Physiology and Psychology, and Decrease of Entropy
by Yi-Fang Chang


Abstract: First, the thought field concept and its tests, as presented in previous papers, are summarized. The thermodynamics of biology and the concept of input negative entropy flow are also discussed. Entropy and its relation to cognitive science as well as the thermo¬dynamics of physiology and emotion are then introduced. Qigong and various religious practices are related to these states of order, in which entropy decreases are shown due to internal interactions and fluctuations ofthe isolated systems considered. The possibility of an afterlife and two possible mathematical/physical models ofthe soul are then explored.
Introduction
Based on experiments and fhe theoretical principles of modern science, we previously proposed a simple model of the thought field. The thought field is established when a living being has an idea or thought. The energy associated with this field is directly proportional to a frequency, such that E=Hv . (1)
The frequency of the thought field can be strong or weak as well as concentric or disorderly. Different combinations of these four fac¬tors determine the various functional states displayed by any given person (Chang, 2003). A strong concentric thought field corresponds to a functional state that is usually associated with the paranormal. This state includes Qigong and a special function that can be applied to earthquake prediction (Chang 2004a).
In modern physics, scientists recognize only four fundamental interactions: the gravitational and electromagnetic fields whose ac¬tion distances are infinite and thus represented as long-range forces, and the strong and weak nuclear fields whose action distances are extremely small and thus represented as short-range forces. New research has shown that the thought field has a mid-range of in¬teraction. Its action distance is neither infinite nor very short and its strength is also mid-range when compared to the four known fundamental interactions (Cnang 2004a).
A series of experiments conducted by The Institute of Somatic Sci¬
ence of Yunnan University have verified the existence of the thought
field. Experiments conducted by the zero-magnetic space laboratory
at the Criinese Medicine University have also demonstrated that
similar yet bigger changes of the magnetic signals (MS) have oc¬
curred during Qigong. They include three types: dc MS, ac MS and
pulse MS. Crianges in MS after Qigong were measured in 80% of
the test trials. This high percentage was interpreted as demonstrat¬
ing the existence of a field. When the experiments were repeated, similar results were obtained in 61% of the trials (Wu et al. 1991). This implies that the MS results are a secondary effect of the thought field and further indicates that the thought field might interact with electromagnetic fields in general. In fact, somatic science is closely related to the magnetic field.
Modern neuroscience believes that when the brain is stimulated by certain outside signals, it will produce an "induced electric po¬tential" whose scale is related to the degree of attention. When the signals are stronger the potential is higher. Conversely, the potential is lower when the signals are weaker. This behavior is analogous to the thought field.
The thought field can be modeled as a special extension of the quantum theory (Chang 2004b), whereby the coefficient H in Eq.(l) may differ for various general cases. We have previously discussed the quantitative aspects of the thought Held as related to the extended quantum theory, deriving the antnropic principle exactly (Chang 2002, 2004b). We have also related the thought field to nonlinear whole biology, which demonstrates that life itself is an aspect of chaos in nature (Chang 2005a).
Thermodynamics of Biology
In 1945, Erwin Schrodinger published a farsighted book about the concept of life. The book was devoted to the relationship between physics and biology. He discussed three problems of fundamental importance for biophysics: the thermodynamic bases of life and the molecular basis of life, while emphasizing that normal biologi¬cal processes are consistent with the laws of physics. Schrodinger pointed out that "an organism feeds with negative entropy". His arguments demonstrate that life processes lower entropy. Further, biology requires the nonlinear thermodynamics. Ilya Prigogine, et al., later developed nonlinear thermodynamics and a dissipative structure theory (Volkenstein 1977,1982).
In the dissipative structure theory, the total entropy S of an open nonequilibrium system is g;iven as S=Sj+S^, (2) where S, ^ 0 is the entropy production inside the system while is the entropy flow, which may be positive or negative, such that S = S/-S; . The total entropy S^ can decrease when input entropy flow is negative.
The entropy production and the total entropy is then given as
SS+S*S0{3) ^
SS.+SS;>0.{3)
In this case, the total entropy is always positive. Therefore, the maximum entropy is S^^^=S.+ S/ ^ S, ^ S; > 0. (4)
The maximum entropy defines a quafititative range of moder¬ate degree on input negative entropy How for any open system. Its value is always greater than zero, such that the total entropy can never become negative.
The general goal for input negative entropy How is: (a) an exist¬ing order structure is kept, such that negative entropy flow equals 63
entropy production, and the total entropy is invariant such that dS=O. And (b) it allows for internal entropy fluctuations, which imply the construction of a new order structure. In the second case, it is com¬mon for dS*^ = 0 and dS\ > dS, so that the total entropy decreases and dS<0.
Under the condition defined in equation (4), an input value of negative entropy flow can be neither excessively large nor small. Excessively small values prohibit the existence of a dissipative structure and do not achieve the threshold value for transforma¬tion to a new order structure. Conversely, if the excessively large values are beyond the sustained power of the system itself or the particular circumstances governing the system, it will break various stabilities. Therefore, the moderate degree on input negative entropy flow includes a control of open degree in the system and a selection of input time. The input negative entropy flow is determined by the internal conditions of system and is restricted by the external circumstances.
In either case, all living systems are very complex. Their entropies can be neither overly large nor overly small and the input negative entropy must have a period. For any open system, a rational combi¬nation between the input period and the input amount of negative entropy flow is guaranteed for either a stable structure or for the continual transformation to newer ordered structures. These con¬ditions are suitable for any living system. The moderate degree of input negative entropy flow is a universal scientific law for various natural and social systems.
Possible Decrease of Entropy in Various Practices
According to the basic concepts of the thought field, different functional states are determined by the frequency. Under these conditions, the thought field may interact with other oscillations. Otherwise, whether the thought filed is strong or weak frequency and concentric or disorderly, can be expressed by a combination of entropy and strength.
We propose that entropy may possibly decrease due to internal interactions and fluctuations that are magnified in an isolated system (Chang 1997, 2005b). In fact, both Qigong inside the body, which is a thought field with self-interactions, and some natural therapies are often characterized as decreases in entropy by the internal self-control for a person as an isolated system.
Landsberg defined "disorder" as the entropy normalized to the maximum entropy, which is that of the equiprobable distribution, corresponding to a completely random system. A living being as a whole represents an extremely orderly state of being and must be an open system for long-time. A living being's deatri represents a transformation to a state of total disorder, while sickness is a state of local disorder and a state of recovering from sickness is marked by a return to the higher order of health. The order parameters are thus health targets. But, for a short-time Qigong and some states attained during religious practices, for example Buddhist and Taoist medita¬tion, may be considered isolated systems that are characterized by decreases of entropy.
Qigong requires that one must be calm and good-natured, which is a more orderly state for a person. Clinical practices show that the practice of Qigong causes a reduction in human metabolism. This reduction seems to correspond to the possibility that human ideas and similar thought forms also reduce entropy, achieving an order¬ing within a living system that could cure sickness and increase internal immune system strength. Electroencephalogram (EEG) of Qigong practitioners displays slow waves similar to those of chil¬dren, demonstrating that the electromagnetic activity of brain cells is more highly ordered.
Ashby (1956) pointed out that two substances such as ammo¬nia and hydrogen in a gaseous state can be mixed to form a solid. Similarly, about twenty different types of amino acids present in microorganisms can gather together to form a new reproductive process. It is commonly understood that solids are more orderly than gases, such that the entropy of a solid should be less than the entropy of the same material in its gaseous state. Microorganisms should likewise represent a more orderly state than the amino acids from which they are formed. Yet in chemistry, the Belousov-Zhabo¬tinski reaction shows a period change that occurs automatically, at least during specific time intervals. Within any microscopic region, the Pauli Exclusion Principle may spontaneously produce a more orderly state.
In a biological self-organizing process, some isolated systems may spontaneously proceed toward a more orderly state. Prigogine and Stengers (1984) nave discussed such a case: Under particular circum¬stances, such as when Dictyostelium discoideum experiences a lack of nutrition, solitary cells will spontaneously unite to form a larger cell cluster. In such a case, the cells and nutrition-liquid together may be regarded as an isolated system. Jantsch (1979) pointed out that when different types of sponge and water are mixed within a uniform suspension, they rest for a few hours and then automatically separate into different types. More interestingly, when a small hydra is cut into its individual cells, the individual cells spontaneously evolve to form cell-clusters. Some cell clusters are malformations, but other cell clusters will eventually become a normal hydra.
Based on the principles of nonlinear whole biology and the Ashtekar's loop theory, we have proposed a new method of quan¬tum gravity for protein folding, obtained four new approximate solutions and researched three possible origins for protein folding (Chang 2005c). We have also studied a system of nonlinear whole medicine. The properties of a strong concentric thought field are possibly analogous to the physical characteristics of an atom laser. The propagation of Qigong inside a body is analogous to the mo¬tion of a superfluid, which corresponds to a state of lower entropy. The superfluid equation has a soliton solution, which may possibly describe this propagation.
Thermodynamics of Physiology and Emotion
In physiology, increased metabolism and an emotional state of being upset should be characterized by larger entropy. Conversely, decreased metabolism and easy conscience or a calm and good-na¬tured emotional state should be characterized by smaller entropy. The immunity of an organism increases for positive emotions, but metabolism and body-temperature show a remarkable increase for a nervous state and negative emotions increase an organism's sus¬ceptibility to various diseases.
Anomalous cognition (AC) is defined as a form of information transfer in which all known sensorial stimuli are absent. Lantz et al. (1994) have reported testing sender conditions and target types in AC experiments. There is a difference between static and dynamic target material. Entropy is defined as a measure of uncertainty or lack of information about a system. The data from both of these studies were analyzed with regard to the gradient of Shannon's entropy of the targets. May et al. (1994) were able to compute the entropy and its mathematical gradient for each target in these experiments. AC was more pronounced when targets underwent massive changes in energy or entropy in a very short period of time. In addition, dynamic targets produced better results in the Ganzfeld than did static targets, a result that is suggestive of changes of entropy.
Lumsden-Cook (2005a) has previously considered emotion as a possible factor in mind-matter/PK interactions. Two studies were conducted that examined how emotional states of anger and elation mediated the outputs of Random Event Generators (REG). These studies provide some support for the idea that affective states might influence REG activity. He also presented the results of two experi¬ments investigating how emotional states can influence micro-psy¬chokinetic functioning that may facilitate mind-matter interactions (Lumsden-Cook 2005b).
Changes of emotion are often sudden, such that their description may be an example of catastrophe theory. Such was proposed by Tom (1983) and was developed and applied by Zeeman, Arnold, Poston, Steward and Gillmore, et al.
In Buddhist practice, everyone is expected to face everyday in
a happy mood with thanks to Nature. A harmonious unification of
these two activities of the human mind (body) and spirit can only
consist completely of a normal sound activity.
For an epileptic patient, the activity of the human brain is chaotic rather than periodic even though breathing, heartbeat, blood circula¬tion and the endocrine system must be periodic.
Life after Death and Mathematical-Physical Models of Soul
One of the major tenets of religion is that humanity constantly faces the mysteries of life and Nature, which are themselves full of infinite insolvable mysteries.
In parapsychology, the possible existence of life after death has become an important scientific question (Harrison 2004). Fontana (2004) has studied the possibility of survival of physical death. He has listed some of the reasons why survival research still remains unpopular with many parapsychologists and virtually ignored by scientists in other disciplines. In this study, Fontana discussed the brain-mind relationship and super-ESP, etc.
According to general physics and phase transformation theory, there are various jumps among different functional states. In particu¬lar, there is a jump between life and death. A larger jump possesses a stronger lag, which is analogous to a larger inertia for a bigger mass. This is also an extensive inertia. The mathematical expression of a jump may be a jump function as expressed in catastrophe theory. As a special example, the lag from life to death should exist necessarily. The lag is perhaps a type of soul. It is more pronounced for stronger body or more sudden death. This model could possibly provide a physical and mathematical proof for the existence of the soul as well as life after death.
One possible mathematical-physical model of the soul can be provided by the wormhole model. A wormhole is a tube passing through space-time as described by the general theory of relativ¬ity. In general relativity, the Einstein gravitational field equation is expressed as o,,. - «„,--«„./? - s^c-r,,.. (5)
The metric space-time for a stable spherical symmetry is (Misner et al. 1973) ds'..-e'^c'dt' *dr'(\-bir)-' *r\d9' +sin'ft/0=), (6) in which b is the radius of the wormhole. For this metric the Einstein tensor is
G, -blr'.G^ "-blr' *2{.\-blr)il>lr.
According to the Birkhoff theorem, the field equation allows aSchwarzschild wormhole whose the algebra structure is expressedby the formula I, = p(r)c^, T^ = -T(r), 7;^, = r^ = p(r). (g)
From the above formulas, we may obtain the curvature of a wormhole as well as some quantitative results. In this model, either matter or the thought field passes through a throat from one par¬ticular location in space-time to another location in space-time, in a manner similar to the displacement of the soul at death.
Another possible mathematical-physical model for the soul can be developed from the Hawking auantum evaporate theory for black hole, in which one tends to death (human black hole). In this model, a pair of macroscopic particles, such as a body and soul under certain conditions, is produced due to the quantum fluctuations. When the material body dies, another particle that could be represented as a soul is possibly released. Further, these two mathematical-physical models may also describe PK (Chang 1988, 2003).
Otherwise, the free thought field outside body may perhaps ex¬plain the soul. Epicurus believed that soul is also a physical object.
 

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This article is fascinating.I've always contemplated the possibility that our thoughts are energy and that they could continue to exist after death.And the part about curing sickness via thoughts that decrease entropy is particularly interesting.
 

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I don´t want any afterlife. What shall I do there? Playing Scrabble with Jesus and Einstein? Thanks, but no, I am not interested. I just want my eternal peace.

I wouldn't mind playing Scrabble with Jesus and Einstein for a few hundred years before I initiate my eternal peace...
 

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I don't really care how I die as long as I don't win a Darwin Award for it. After I'm dead I want to go to Hell and get a job there. If my life is gonna suck this badly, I want to make sure other people's afterlives are just as bad.
 

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The article has the smell of pseudo-science on it; however I have witnessed experiments involving high energy magnetic fields where the presence of a human has altered the results. Although the reasons for this are still unknown, it could be magnetite in our bodies or something.
Still, watching stuff float around randomly freaked me the hell out.
Also I wonder if this could be related to the "AT field" from some sort of Japanese mech anime.

Regarding my death,
I have plans for immortality; I'll post them later in this thread.
 

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Hmmm! does the name The Black Knight ring a bell?
Vegard P. "It rings a few, but none that relate to the loss of limbs."

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I do not think the Chinese government is as tolerant enough to pay for pseudo-science, but I do not know I was not there...

I think the interesting thing is the idea of "fields" that extend beyond the physical body, it does open some some intriguing horizons...

See Human brain waves - Schumann Resonance..
 
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