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I'd like to submit this as evidence against: PLAYBOY: Ever take LSD? GATES: My errant youth ended a long time ago. PLAYBOY: What does that mean? GATES: That means there were things I did under the age of 25 that I ended up not doing subsequently. PLAYBOY: One LSD story involved you staring...

I have a few INTP friends who are absolutely horrendous at collectively making group decisions. Figuring out the absolute basics of anything related to what the group should do next is an exercise in excruciating tedium. I'm not sure why some INTPs have a problem with this. Maybe it's an...

Oh -- missed this question. Not so much concerned with justice (that having connotations of serving specific sets of rules), but always concerned with what is "right", and working out what that is. I think growing up with a Christian pastor as a father instilled a sense of moral duty, which has...

You must create, because only having done so can you decide 4 and 5.

Interesting analysis, much better than "we conclude that Bob is obviously evil". The ought is implied since you decided on an action, in the sense of, "if I value successful contract outcomes and not dying, and given my assessment of Bob & Dave's characters, what ought I do?" Your values and...

I would love to give you a nice neat summary of his views on preference utilitarianism, but as far as I can find he hasn't written one outside of his books. Most of his web-published essays are on applied ethics (which are definitely worthwhile discussing, but are light on the foundational...

The hypothetical is presented as a way to intuitively sell the idea that normative statements are really statements about good/evil (and it utterly fails at that). Where the author concludes: "Consciously or unconsciously we evaluated the actions of Bob and Dave, and concluded that Bob's...

Evolution doesn't imply improvement, just change.

Thanks for taking my criticism and not getting defensive-- I am somewhat passionate about ethical philosophy get a bit worked up when I feel people have jumped to conclusions. Personally I think Singer is one of the best minds in the field and is unusually good at delineating the complexities of...

If you'd actually read any Singer you'd know the latter claim about not acknowledging his own harm is not remotely true, and that the argument that causing someone else pain is always wrong is a complete mischaracterisation of his position on suffering. I mean, just a cursory read of ANY of his...

In terms of the judicial system, how can it judge other than by deeds, if subjective bias is to be avoided? I get what you're saying about weighing the sum of a person's actions in order to be fair, but what other practical system is there for penalising harmful behaviour?

This is all explained & resolved from a perspective of ethical subjectivism. Everyone is acting in accordance with his/her personal values, and those actions are both understandable and rational from each agent's perspective. The quote in the OP says nothing interesting about Hume's is/ought...

Interesting read. I very much agree that the brain is plastic (at least in some aspects). See my thread here on similarish stuff. I wonder if you have just opened up your social side, previously having been a socially repressed ENTP? Could probably test for that by looking for obviously...

Thanks, that does help a little. I guess I am trying to wrap my head around how a composer visualises music when creating it. But I guess it's an intuitive thing the brain learns to do after being immersed in that creative space long enough. Sort of like how I might create some programming logic...

I get that your Ne caused you to leap to a certain conclusion (and apparently lock it in a deathgrip), but obviously every other INTP here is using the same function to analyse the situation. it couldn't be that yours was simply off base and the lad is merely enthused about sharing his work...

May I ask what your keen eyes observed that others missed? How big is this forum anyway? is it really worth the hour or so to reg and make a coherent first few posts, to capture the wealth of traffic one might expect from a post on intpforum? The quality of his work speaks for itself; he...

^ Yeah, that. Someone needs to recalibrate their spam filter.

This is really fucking good. So glad you shared. Can you share a bit about your creative process? How does one go about composing layered sound-scapes, as opposed to your more traditional notated music?

Gotcha. I think it's intuitively obvious that type preferences compound themselves, particularly in terms of an individual's abilities and how well practiced the weaker functions are. I suppose I'm more interested in the neurological mechanics of what exactly differentiates one type from...

Very interesting to see the number of all/most votes. I specifically chose that set of traits to have not too much overlap with the usual archetypal INTP traits. I had a "mixer" at my new job last night, and actually enjoyed socialising with people I barely knew for a few hours. Didn't feel the...

@BigApplePi: With regard to your hypothesis about environment (body type, isolation) shaping us into INTPs in childhood, I would suggest that this implies INTP personality traits only start developing relatively late in childhood. Before our environment has given a good shot at conditioning us...

I suppose it may not be completely obvious from my explanation, but eyesight problems that glasses can correct have nothing to do with any deficit that may occur after the point that light enters the optic nerve. If I were suggesting that whatever changes occurred might have affected the...

I've used psychedelics for several years in various phases of frequency. I'd been having DXM trips for a few weeks at a level I wouldn't encourage (complex reasons, won't go into here), but infrequently enough to avoid the possible psychosis that can come from abusing it on a ~daily fashion. So...

Yeah. I haven't even listed all the positive effects here, I just picked a cross-section that would have been identifiable even if I'd lived with them my whole life. Here's a bit more detail I wrote about the experience itself, which I think is super interesting from a neurological perspective...

Right; I should have clarified -- these were permanent changes, so somewhat different to temporary disinhibition.

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to work out. If it's a common phenomenon then there are huge implications for our understanding of cognitive functions & disorders and for new avenues for treatment / cognitive enhancement. On the other hand, if it's not widely applicable it's probably irresponsible...

Intrusive thoughts. Read up about OCD, it's fairly likely you will meet the diagnostic criteria.

So my question is, if you're INTP, do you identify with all/some/none of these: Slow to learn physical muscle-memory tasks (e.g. juggling) You notice others are better than you at picking people out in crowds; for you it's a bit overwhelming, like information overload Sensitivity to bright...

I'd say our evolutionary purpose (presuming our personality type is an evolved trait to fill a niche for selective advantage) is to build good internal models & understand & apply them. I think that underlies almost all of our thinking and our approach to problem solving: our superior capacity...

Maybe we should subject ourselves to the full emotional impact of the animal suffering that we cause? Maybe desensitisation is the mechanism that allows this suffering to continue? I think your sympathetic squeamishness and anger are very much justified.

Wait, but they actually are helpless and innocent. How does that desensitise you?

A large part of understanding a mood is actually feeling of it. When you are depressed it is difficult to imagine those feelings. Depression can also come with reduced clarity of thought and negativity, which makes it even less likely for you to be able to imagine yourself in a state of...

Most of my friends are introverts, so that defines the dynamic as well. The humour can be more acerbic, and a good "burn" is appreciated rather than being hurtful. There are few restrictions on conversation, and controversial topics are embraced - they make for the best discussions...

I knew about all of these bands before you were a sperm in your mother's vagina.

I thought this would be the case when I went from vegetarian to vegan. But it really isn't. The only way you'll know for sure is to try it out for a while. Milk and eggs are totally unnecessary when it comes to cooking, and eating cheaply. Personally I was a cheese lover, so giving that up was...

I think this is totally learned. When I first started playing drums, it took a while for everything I was hearing & thinking to be coordinated independently with my limbs. When I began using the viewfinder in my camera, neither eye was better than the other, but both would leave me with blurry...

This sounds like dissociation / depersonalisation / derealisation. I've heard many people describe these exact symptoms. Basically, the world doesn't seem real, and you feel removed from your life and from what is going on around you. The phenomena seems to be very specific, and common, and...

I can imagine it would be frustrating sometimes. I'd feel like I was walking on eggshells trying not to say the wrong thing around all those Feelers. Probably why most of my friends are T. I lack patience. :)

Video is kinda adorable. It's a little bit trippy seeing female INTP mannerisms, as I don't know any in real life. Like looking into a gender-reversing mirror. Your group of friends is really...nice. Too nice.

Quite possibly! Vegetarianism is correlated with higher IQs (link), IQ seems to be most strongly correlated with iNuitiveness (link), and INTPs are statistically the second most likely type to be "gifted" (link). My anecdotal experience here and on INTPcentral also suggests that there are a high...

But once you understand the idea behind the new word, the word itself has no importance for thinking about the idea. The word is not required to understand the idea. I think what you are saying could more accurately be conveyed as such: "the ideas you have been exposed to limits thought".

For me it's more about precision of ideas. Which can sometimes look like pedantic nit-picking of definitions and semantics. But the reason for that is to ensure the meaning of the idea is communicated precisely and unambiguously.

I think that is an incredibly loaded statement, and would take some time to deconstruct... Perhaps some are. There is a lot of diversity both there and here. Perhaps the tone of each site attracts two different subsets of INTPs; like attracts like. :waves: I guess they forgot to program in a...

Yeah, i meant in general. The signup process had a couple human checks, but they were reading comprehension ones, not captcha.

Very good. Hmm...but I like the dark. No, but I can't pass those bloody captcha tests half the time, so I'm beginning to suspect.

Yep. :) Neil Gaiman is pretty rad, and I think Sandman is his best work by a long way. Or maybe I'm just a sucker for graphic novels. His collab with Terry Pratchett (Good Omens) was fun, too.

Really good posts. Might want to mention the forces other than selection that can affect evolution (genetic drift, gene flow, (possibly) GC-biased gene conversion...).

...I'm an INTP! Omg! I always wondered why I was so different to everybody else. This has been a total revelation, and it like totally changed how I see myself. I can't believe how perfectly it describes me! Ok, so i'm really a cynical old INTPcentral vet. First posts...blech.