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What?? We have plenty of good manufacturing here =)! Some of the best guitars in the world come from the USA ! Compaq - now HP, Ford, Chrysler, Hummers, Intel, and that is off the top of my head... Anyway - have said my piece and am done for the Year! Good Morrow and Merry Christmas to...

Trebuchet: "As for seeing the future, or being visionaries, to the extent that this is true, hardly anyone in business wants to hear our ideas anyway. Most people won't see an INTP's value at all, and will be dismissive, stifling, and even condescending when we try to share our thoughts...

I had someone discuss with me today his belief about how an INTP can interact with an INTJ.. He said initially that because INTPs tend to want their own personal space free from micromanaged control, that they are in essence the opposite of INTJs and the INTJ quest for over-arching control, but...

I've not told anyone to ___ off - and I have no use for useless quibbles. Take care Mr. mango - this line of communication is now gone!

I am researching at my leisure =). The Emotion Machine by Minsky has been quite interesting so far and I think that the answers there are insightful and have inspired a new project so to speak =) Findings so far from my personal observations would tend to support the concept that the degree...

No, actually, the Jungian model is based the differentiation between thinking and feeling as decision process and this is central to the theory. It is ages old and extends all the way back to Socrates, who discussed these qualities in terms of the musical (heady thinker types) and the gymnastic...

This is called an Appeal to Authority argument. It is a fallacy, and bears (pun not necessarily intended) no more weight than any of the of the other arguments made on these grounds.

Adymus, when I ask you for 'proof' of your assertions you just remake your assertions all the more clamorously. I have invited you to the conversation, yet you demure... that's ok... Because that is what the Jungian model is. The 'functionality' of the Jungian model centers on the decision...

This is the sort of spin of which I am speaking. It departs from consistency with theory (because you have not provided a theoretical rationalization) and relies on the manipulation of the description of tendencies - which not unlike the craft of the Astrologer - can be applied to any...

...or Adymus is wrong - when one worships another's opinions, one neglects one's own insights...

Not at all... I am going off the test results of which there are several... vs. the subjective opinion of a non-professional. Additionally, I relate to the cognitive functions in my own life after having taken the instrument and after having read more about my type in contradistinction to...

Gee, that was a fast reply ;) Ok this has nothing to do with anything. You can play droughts with the interpretations of the functions all day and get no where because it is possible to rhetorically manipulate and tie descriptions and functions to each to whatever end is desired. That is why...

Yes - that is exactly what I do - I relate the past sensory experience to the present and analyze it to see if it fits new working theories or not. Then if nothing fits I discard the working theory or view it from a slightly different angle if my hunch is that strong, until I see an underlying...

Haha! It is quite interesting in retrospect, having located the passage in "Was that Really Me?" by Quenk on page 125 to which I was referring, that the book is quite erroneous in that what it describes as an auxiliary Sensing function for INTPs (Si) is actually descriptive of Se behavior. On a...

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Minsky proposes something quite similar in terms of emotions as mere switches between cognitive resources and functionality. This is perhaps different than the supposition of the person quoted above in that it does not of necessity imply a complete retyping according to the model (e.g...

Yes - please be advised that I am still researching all of this and that that description of grounding through Si came from a solitary source; however, in the realm of behavioral functionality, I really see no difference in a function's ability to balance out different skills and aspects of a...

I thought puns were the lowest form of humor.... Melkor dude, if you want to talk to somebody with the Real Power - talk to Jesus ;)

That didn't sound like a good review.... hmmmm.... I guess it was visually stunning with a stinky plot?

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You have to buy it though...

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Ohhhh I should have read all the way down - I didn't see that someone had already thought of the thinker! Ha yes! very cool - surrounded by sheep now that is apropos as well as humorous - like it - like it indeed! =)

Robbaz - I have enjoyed most of your comments on INTPf if it is any consolation. And I am new as well and have had as awkward a reception if reception indeed it could be called - including pejorative public mistyping as a sport. Don't marvel that I used the term 'pejorative' because anyone who...

Actually - and immediately inspired by Wisp's signature - it would make perfect sense to use a royalty free image of the "Thinker" statue as the logo. With "Ego Cogito Ergo Sum" inscribed below....

I wonder if I can be pretentiously perceptive....:confused: I don't want to be of course.... but you know... there was this time when.......... Seriously - I think there have been times, whilst being spurned to creative perceptive inspiration by a single view held by another party where I...

Curious.. I find math strangely relaxing.... =) And what of ART? Is not art therapy to the soul as well??? Literature...? Travel...? Arts and Crafts (oops already said that sort of...) Cats... Yoga.... (ack! I can't stop!) But oh yeah... music is definitely cool except if you are like an...

I think I get what you are saying though - which sounds like the difference between a vector graphic and a raster image.... basically the former is compressed? Is that what you mean? Although I wouldn't coincide that with principles... but neither were what I mean although I think I understand...

I think you are misunderstanding my poorly communicated ramblings lol ;) - my fault here... What I am referring to is not principles, beliefs, etc. but more what Jung talks about with the differentiation between polar functions... for instance, if i am looking at you, I then have a picture of...

Yes... BUT! Whether intra- or trans- systemic, a complex thought is a complex thought, and a 'new' thought - a truly novel synthesis of thoughts previous, often requires such differentiation, that despite a common contextual basis for interpretation (imagining as it were near similar...

Yes to nuance... cookies... ehm...

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But this is not to say that data taken in by the perceiving function is processed any less rigorously by the introverted judging function, or that the extroverted judging function is necessarily more rigid by nature once the data has been collected and assimilated. However, the alacrity with...

In one view of her works yes; yet from an alternate perspective, she can be seen as an encourager for the pluralistic pioneer who is momentarily daunted by the social reforms of her time. Rand, born in Russia during the incipience of Communism was wholeheartedly against the idea of socialism...

You are right ;) lol - feigned pretentiousness in a humbling context lolz ! - Yep yep yup - I agree >>> My understanding is that the P/J axis is not actually an axis per se but a preference determining axis. In other words, the P/J axis determines which of the two most dominated functions is...

Bad conscience... :cool: LOL heheheh :p :p

During periods, according the Meyers' and Jungs' theory, of being in the 'grip' of tertiary or inferior functions, we have the capacity to learn from these functions and to dynamically change the way that we behave. It is not therefore inconceivable that should a person feel sufficiently...

I agree about freewill, however, I disagree with a propensity to type without latitude for change, growth, and even transcendence. I believe that we are all capable of changing our attitudes and behavioral patterns to a large extent if not completely; additionally, I am not sold on the idea...

I wonder about the possible corollary between the use of the German Cross as logo for the board and any of various agenda being promulgated by it..

If such invasions of one's privacy seem inherently wrong, most likely there is something to it. It is very stunting to the life and growth of an individual to be restricted in one's communications with others because of the prevalence of such fear. I've had intrusive devices used against me...

"...This can be particularly difficult for Introverted Thinking types because they are most energized when they can work independently and with intense focus on challenging problems." --from "Was That Really Me," by Naomi L. Quenk, PhD The "P" part of INTP simply refers to the individual's...

M: Oh look, this isn't an argument. A: Yes it is. M: No it isn't. It's just contradiction. A: No it isn't. M: It is! A: It is not. M: Look, you just contradicted me. A: I did not. M: Oh you did!! A: No, no, no. M: You did just then. A: Nonsense! M: Oh, this is futile! A: No...

Anything (except Matilda) that involved Danny DeVito =) - sorry - he just BUGZ

I care. I don't understand what you mean by suicidal - could you share a little with me please? Mark

Ha! Until I fell off the seawall at age ten, and sliced my left palm clear open, I could not tell my left from my right! With much practice and by using the scar as a continual reminder, I eventually was able to inculcate a sense of direction into myself. But I find this quite fascinating...

I agreed with Adymus that we would drop this topic, so I don't want to continue on its tangent too long, but after re-reading your post, I apologize. You are right, I misread your post entirely. I think I read too quickly and missed the consistency of your neutrality. It is easy for me to...

Thanks for your response. Sorry about the 'drivel' lol - even 'I' get frustrated after a while ;)

Apparently you did not see my earlier humorous post about this link. Obviously, whoever created that was an ESFJ! LOL -

http://intpforum.com/album.php?albumid=73&pictureid=569 http://intpforum.com/album.php?albumid=73&pictureid=571 http://intpforum.com/album.php?albumid=73&pictureid=570 http://intpforum.com/album.php?albumid=73&pictureid=572 All taken on Nov. 15th last year; I believe there were about 4-5 (at...

;) g'night mate =)