If there is 'negatively perceived stimulation', then consider my stimulation as "positively perceived stimulation".
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OK, it's on.
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In retrospect I think my comment about your thinking being "burdened" might make it sound like I don't think your intelligent. That's not the case. I sort of assumed that was a given. Anyway, I meant more that it's as if you are holding a lot of ideas at the same time in your head and for that reason your thoughts come out a bit stiff because you are processing, evaluating, re-evaluating, and so on.
Also, why would you admire somebody for using smaller print? Just curious.
I would say 'stimulation', if this is irreducible to you. If not, please specify what I need to clarify.
Admire? Huh.
Ugh, I find these posts too centered on myself. I apologize. Why do I apologize? I find that many people here aren't very interested when the topic is too specific to a person. And when you're not interested, it just becomes a burden to read.
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I took your reaction as a huge compliment. But I wonder which specific 'questions' have brought you to this conclusion.
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It's pretty hard to arrange your sentences when your thoughts are scrambled all over the place or when you have many points but they can't be arranged by hierarchy. Have you ever faced such a problem and what is your view on this?
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So: Tell me, why do YOU ask? Or lets make it more generall, Why do humans ask?
Ahh..It seems that I've halted our discussion by *not* asking questions. Yes, one reason why I ask questions is to continue discussion. Why? I believe discussions will give me meaning and stimulation. Another reason is simple, because asking the question itself stimulates me. It's like when you find something neat in the garbage bin and you treasure it. Some people answer with 'because I'm curious', but you have to ask, why are they curious? Is it because they like it?
Why Ask Questions?
----Asking Per Se Stimulates Emotion and Reason.
-------------Mind provides Questions and not asking would be such a waste.
----Gives better Understanding.
-------------Understanding is stimulation.
----Prolongs Discussion
-------------Discussion(or parts of it) Stimulates Emotion and Reason.
Your #2 definition for 'objective' is not exactly upright. This is considered to be Argumentum Ad Populum. Popularly held-beliefs does not equate to truth. Such was the case in the argument of the earth's shape and the current case of religion. Another example can be found in Einstein's ground-breaking theory of spacetime relativity.
I'm not familiar with Rand's "objectivism" but I think it would be wise to lighten the boundary between subjective and objective. Let us not be fooled by our need for simplification.
You are not satisfied with the idea that you can create your own purpose and accept that as objective purpose? Or would it not qualify as 'objective' anymore?
I've longed closed objectivity and stayed with relativity. The feelings it gave me weren't very satisfying so I opened this 'hole' again. I don't know about logic or 'sense' but maybe...maybe there is 'true meaning'.
You're a very interesting person.
btw, how much did that statement affect you? I spoke honestly btw.
I had never heard the Ascendicate before or just about any of the bands you had. It was like finding skillet and flyleaf again. Or listening to that stupid halo video again. I found a lot of good songs.
also if you have not seen HMV Hell 1 (Official HH Video) by imSuck, that is funny and good....
Thank you for the music! This is awesome, for I know the plans I have for you declairs the lord plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Jer 29:11, I have an odd guy and song to recomend to you, His name is Matisyahu the song I recomend is King without a crown. He is a rapping jew and he makes me more than a little nervous. fair warning I can't classify him. P.s. I don't think he's a christian but his theme at least for that song overlaps. I think it is fair to say that your collection outweighs mine. I hope to contribute one unique song of mine though. Matisyahu is an interesting guy, if you want let me know what you think. Thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou.
No problem. I am not expecting anything.
Linkin park, metallica, anything and everything, though I generally don't shout out that I sometimes listen to things like techno, and defenetly don't talk about country. People seem to really like those genres or hate them. Metal is a safe description of what I advertise, though the only Slipknot song I know is, before I forget. I could go on about what I listen to. Is there a specific category you are looking for? Metal Christian? Christian? Metal? Techno? Hip hop(please don't, unless you must)? For some reason I am being oddly chatty on this forum but I am hoping that is the norm. In summary I spend a lot of time on Pandora and You tube, and would be happy to offer whatever limmited knowledge I have aquired. Oh and Hip hop, Country, and sometimes Techno make me a little nervous.
That included, plus my unreliable social judgement.
Yes. I guess I misunderstood. But you don't have to post back if you don't want to. I was really just worried.
Did I miss your point? Sorry, I got too caught up on mine...Hahaha ya sometimes. I don't know about that long. I usually pick up on that kinda stuff to make sure they're listening. If I think they army interested I'll stop . why? Hah
well, why don't we first begin at where we understand 'art'? How can one question about something that is in the beginning, nonexistent? Surely, your perception has precedingly been induced by an already existing vision of art. Why don't we start in it's starting liquid form?
What did this 'reality' tell us about art? Beauty, which is an attachment? Attachment, which is subjective? Intrigue? Pleasure? Stimulation?
I guess that's my idea of it and yours is none too broad as well. You say "enraptured". I bet that applies and defines a set of conditions to make 'art'.
Coincidentally enough, I made a thread on it in(on?)(at?) january.
http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=5888
So, I guess it didn't seem too random to me.
I never really had a definition for it, It's all subjective. I can make one up now though. Let's see...connection, that moment of realization when 'things' connect. I guess 'meaning' is art. When you find that 'piece' that you need, I guess "the process of understanding" to me is art. Conversation is art, theory is art.
Yours?
Art? which art?
what is "pb"?
I am lost. I was just wondering if you had any troubles with identity and what you believe to be yourself(which leads to what you like(which leads to best way to live)).
Don't worry, friend.
Are you thinking of the 'best way to live'?
Perhaps, I am an INTP. It is easier to type others than one's self.Ya your right haha. Maybe asassinate some important politicians and escape into the darkness. Thatd be fun.
Hi, I'm well.
My internet is out for a few days. I'm looking forward to talking to you again after that.
Well, there really isn't much to UU as a whole. With no creed , no remaining connection to Christianity, and a congregational polity, it's just kind of whatever the individual church decides it wants to be. I mean, we have a half-assed pseudo-creed in the Seven Principles, but there's not much to hang your hat on.
Now, if you're talking more about the Unitarian and Universalist figures of the 18th and 19th centuries (Emmerson, Theodore Parker, James Luther Adams), that's something else. We have little connection to our roots nowadays (apart from bragging on famous Unitarians of the past). But, like I said. Feeling bitter.
Well, a lot depends on the particular church you go to, but in general UU is a bit like the cave in Dagobah. Chances are you won't find a lot that you didn't bring in. You'll find a lot of good people, but a lot are uncomfortable with bringing any sort of religion or faith into church. I might just be feeling a bit bitter tonight, though. I suggest you try it out.
Yep. Mostly joined for our daughter, but we've been members of our church for five years now. I don't know, it's a great bunch of people, but it seems a bit...thin at times.Schizoid personality disorder? interesting. I thought i had that, but then i found avoidance personality disorder. I thought i had schizoid but then i realized i wanted some kind of sexual relationship... But i also dont want to get married or have a gf. Its not because i dont want to, but because of commitment and all that, and i dont wana do all the garbage that a girl would want me to do...what makes you think you have schizoid? ha im curious.
I'm glad I could be of service! Still a butt head though :P
"So hilarious."
Butt head.
I'm unsure if knowing and understanding oneself is really so important to being true. Of course that seems strange, since we strive to understand everything, and leaving the self as an unsolved enigma goes against what we stand for. It's a paradox, undoubtedly. But my point is, what does "knowing" oneself really accomplish? Does it set a rule for our behaviour, therefore restricting us? So every time we act according to those rules, are we being "honest", and every time we act outside of them, are we being "dishonest"?
Thank you, it's nice to know I made a shred of sense in all that word vomit.
It's hard to figure out what's a mask anymore...generally we (on this forum) say emotions are the "honest" part of a person, but I'm not so sure. I think everyone is true to themself all the time...whether they're hiding parts of themself from other people, well, that's just part of their nature, right? So by being dishonest, they're really following their own code of conduct.
^ I don't know what possessed me to go on that tirade. Doesn't really answer or raise any questions. When it comes down to it, I really wish people could just be pure.
Yes - though I have only been recently introduced to it. I am enjoying 'Come on die young' by Mogwai atm. Other bands I like are Isis, Explosions in the Sky, and Godspeed you! Black Emperor!
How about yourself?
Haha, no worries dude take your time. I will be going away on monday and will likely be back by the 25th, if I get it before monday I will try my best to respond then, if not I will just have to try and find a internet cafe
Cool beans, I will be sure to respond as soon as I have an evening free.
No, you are entirely wrong to say never.
I am perfectly happy to have INTPf people read the stuff, else I wouldn't have started the diary.
Yes... you did.
No, you can't realistically be INTP, INTJ or INFP at times, different personality types have different names for a reason, they are not the same thing in the least bit. If you use Ti-Ne:Si-Fe in that order, then you are an INTP, period. Being organized or disorganized does not make you a J or a P, You are a J if you have a preference for being directive (Proactive and Structured in nature), or a P if you are Adaptive (Reactive, and Freeform in nature)
You have four conscious functions 2 adaptive function, and 2 directive functions, and you have access to all of them. This means if an INTP expresses more values based Judgment, it is an INTP using their Fe, not turning into an INFP.
PS: The Test means nothing.
Raw?
If it is, then that is precisely why.
Quite interesting... something is, but I have no idea what exactly it is.
I would not dismiss the possibility that that post was written for you. When I read the thread, I knew I had to write something. I could have started a new thread but having it placed there neatly where one can ignore it if they please to seemed perfect. It just spewed out really, it is one of those moments where I ask if what I have written is really my words. I was wondering what would come of it, so thank you for your kind words.
I'm Christian, yes, but I feel my belief is defined by my relationship to God more than by any religiosity, which from your writing I can imagine you might relate to. I will happily write you my testimony, it is pretty much what I'm here for. Expect to hear from me tonight/ tommorrow.
So, you're either a liar or a poor judge of character.
Hardly a good start there.:P
I like you dude, some very insightful posts.. Just thought I'd say -
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