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What's happening with the bandwidth?

Zero

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I know I'm probably being impatient, but I'm confused about the forum bandwidth. So we'll have more/renewed bandwidth Oct 1st, but is the forum moving to a new provider?

Additionally, would it be out of line to suggest or create an alt.forum for when we have these down times?
 

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*blinks* We are using rather a lot of bandwidth. Around twice as much as usual this month. Maybe any number of things, more members, guests, arcade etc. etc.


The 25Gb allotted by ASO will renew on the 1st; but on that day or after we shall move to a new host who provides 100GB. Sorta, maybe, it's best not to press shared hosting too far.

The move may take the place offline for up to two (2) days.


It might be possible to have an alt forum turned on only if this place ever goes off, though with the move let's hope it won't be wanted. I could provide some very slow hosting at Dreamhost, since they give practically unlimited space; but Ragnar would have to find some forum software not vBulletin. I've installed SMF forums before...

*shrugs* It's an idea; dunno how many members would care for the complication... One just does whatever one would already be doing if this forum wasn't invented; as with all created things.

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Additionally, would it be out of line to suggest or create an alt.forum for when we have these down times?


You can always check out the forum's IRC channel at irc.ecnet.org ; #intpforum.com

Not the same as the forum,but not tragically bad either. (depending on how you tolerate occasional trolling sprees some are fond of) There are some decent discussions too.
 

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I see.

I've found a free forum host, which I can pretty much assure you will not allot a sufficient amount of bandwidth to do more than substitute. That's the idea though.

With a 100gb, I can't imagine we'd ever need it, if just for when there happens to be unexpected or unusual circumstances.
 

Claverhouse

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Well, to repeat what has been said elsewhere, when the forum was closed we used from 6GB to 15GB a month. Last month soon after the opening we definitely hit 25GB. This month 47GB has been purchased and may not survive the following 24 hours.

There is something wrong going on: I'll be interested if turning off guest viewing slows the rate down; but it's scarcely a viable solution for more than a week.


Claverhouse :phear:
 

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Hmm. There were new people, but I can't imagine there were that many. I've heard of this sort of thing as an amateur attack (from would be hackers- I suppose). Hmm... hopefully it won't keep happening.
 

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Personally, I'd have no problem getting rid of the arcade, although I'd guess that the guests are the main problem, given the unrealistically high number of them. Either way, it seems that the new host will allow for those many guests? 25 to 100 seems like a pretty big jump. (seriously though, is this site that popular?) :storks:
 

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We have 1561 members, most of whom don't post or who have dropped out; an average of 6 new members every day; and a daily visit by circa 120 members.

And a lot of genuine lurkers.



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I agree that something sounds rather fishy about that much bandwidth being used up.

One thing I have noticed... when not logged in, every other vBulletin software forum I've seen, besides this one, has a "random question" it asks when someone who's not logged in tries to search. Do people make bots to spam-search, and would adding a random question help deter them?

I'd also be interested to see what turning off guest-viewing would do, yes.
 

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The most guests we've had was 2000+? That's simply unreal. Sounds like a ddos attack to me.
 

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My personal theory is that the discussions we have here and the large vocabulary used here means that we have much more keywords creating results on search engines than most other forums, so the site gets a lot of visits
 

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Does the new ability to embed youtube links use a lot of bandwidth? I honestly don't know how it works. Also, some of the games in the arcade don't get played very often and I imagine those of us who spend time there can agree on eliminating some of them. Would that help?
 

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One thing I have noticed... when not logged in, every other vBulletin software forum I've seen, besides this one, has a "random question" it asks when someone who's not logged in tries to search.

Maybe, we'll hold off examining until after the move. The administration had chosen to make Registration here exceptionally easily --- no infuriating captchas that scarcely work; no activation emails, etc. etc. ---- and rely on filters and ferocious moderation to keep the boards free of spam, and actually that works pretty well. But it does include a random question to prove humanity. Many other aspects are always permissive over restrictive, since it's just petty to hinder people for any other reason than security. And that includes allowing guests to search.

Do people make bots to spam-search, and would adding a random question help deter them?
I've no idea. Spiders can use the search function, but then I've seen spiders playing games and spiders messaging --- deep in the forest, after one has drunk a flagon of mead and the moon rides high --- this doesn't mean they were actually doing anything. As far as I know, spam-bots need do only one thing: make a request of some sort. A random question wouldn't help once the request has been made.

It would be nice if vBulletin
a/ separated spiders better from humans; we supplement the standard procedure with vbulletin hacks and updates of the spiders file. But a glance at the front page will show, say, 150 guests then enumerate, say, 60 spiders. The rest may be mostly spiders; in which case they should be identified as such.
b/ separated members and human guests from mechanical guests. Probably impossible, yeah.

Anyone can go to one of the Russians or Chinese and in return for cash receive a software specified to ddos etc. a site, or, for more money arrange for them to do so for one. You have to remember we are a very small site, and what is trivial for a large site can overwhelm smaller sites.

http://www.110mb.com/forum/you-can-...-sites-without-being-programmer-t44434.0.html

http://www.opensc.ws/trojan-malware-releases/8111-dark-ddoser-3-0-hallafamer-x2.html

http://dos-attacks.com/category/tools/

It's rather as if jealous automobile owners had tools to paralyse other cars/trucks on the roads on a whim.




Inappropriate Behavior said:
Does the new ability to embed youtube links use a lot of bandwidth? I honestly don't know how it works. Also, some of the games in the arcade don't get played very often and I imagine those of us who spend time there can agree on eliminating some of them. Would that help?


In theory at least, all links off-site use that site's bandwidth --- which in the case of Youtube, Google can well afford. Besides as far as Google's bandwidth is concerned it makes no difference whether one watches it here or there; and they supply embedding links themselves. Only video/audio links from us would use our bandwidth, aside from that of the page on which it is viewed.

As for the arcade, I don't use it but should be sorry to let it go. The unused games can't use bandwidth, but just take up space. Maybe those who know could make up a thread to vote off useless/non-working games ? No moderator is ever going to play every single game several times over to see if it works. In fact I can think of only one man with the requisite temperament and steel nerves fitted to do this awful thing. And he's too busy playing to ever look up to be asked.



Claverhouse :phear:


EDIT: I'm moving this to General, just to keep things together.

Moved from The Lounge.
 

Claverhouse

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With guest viewing turned off there is at this minute 177 users ---> 39 members and 138 guests; and 1910 visitors have arrived in total over the previous 24 hours.

I am assuming that a lot of people have nothing better than to stare at a notice informing them that currently they can join the forum, but not see it. Life is dreary for many folk.



Claverhouse :phear:
 

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lol. I don't think I've ever mentioned how much I appreciate your sense of humor. I should have said this after you quoted edgar allen poe, but forgot about it and don't feel like looking for it now. A lot of your posts make me chuckle, though.
 

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Haha...

I just moved this from General to Suggestions, based on the OP, without realising Claverhouse had already moved it from Lounge to General.

:crazy:


Shall we toss a coin on where it belongs?


Edit: returned to General. Where it belongs.
 

Claverhouse

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...an average of 6 new members every day


Errr... On the 29th, this shot up to 12 new members; on the 30th, 26 new members; and in the first 5 hours of today, GMT forum time, there have been 8 new members.


Perhaps we should declare registration-free holidays, from say, Sundays to Wednesdays, when Guests may not see the place...



Claverhouse :phear:
 

loveofreason

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New members multiplying like a virus?

*whips out the bleach*

We could have official sign up days once a month... or an INTPforum greencard lottery for doling out a handful of coveted places per week! And anyone with suspiscious paperwork shall only be permitted if they work for us or can sing the INTP anthem with a tear in their eye!
 
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