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INFJ Salesman (it is possible haha)

TriflinThomas

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I recently got a job with a marketing company. So far, I'm doing pretty well. My boss says I have a "friendly and disarming presence" that works in my favor. I never thought I'd be a sales rep, but it's a whole lot easier than I thought; and it's helped a lot with my self-confidence. Just thought I'd share that since I haven't posted in a while. :) Anybody else have similar experiences with marketing jobs?
 

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What are you a woman? Anyhow, you are a whiny bitch and this thread makes no sense. Fucking subjectivists everywhere. :facepalm:
 

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What are you a woman? Anyhow, you are a whiny bitch and this thread makes no sense. Fucking subjectivists everywhere. :facepalm:

It's a pity your ban was temporary.
 

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that's unfair

i also have a disarming presence, it's just that no one notices :D

i tried telemarketing, wasn't extraordinarily bad but kept getting lots of comments about needing to be more pushy
 

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It's a pity your ban was temporary.
It's a pity that you are merely human. Your judgment is trivial.
No, that's not hypocritical, I merely use judgment to clarify perception not the idiotic vice versa. "Ughh I'm born this way" No you are not. That's just another bullshit excuse.
 

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btw INFJ + salesman sounds rather natural to me. you would be better than ENFJ with maintaining proper distance as well as conveying/manipulating perspective.
 

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It's a pity that you are merely human. Your judgment is trivial.
No, that's not hypocritical, I merely use judgment to clarify perception not the idiotic vice versa. "Ughh I'm born this way" No you are not. That's just another bullshit excuse.

yeah, those things.
 

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It's a pity that you are merely human. Your judgment is trivial.
No, that's not hypocritical, I merely use judgment to clarify perception not the idiotic vice versa. "Ughh I'm born this way" No you are not. That's just another bullshit excuse.

How profound.
 

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Anyone can be a salesman. You just have to speak politely to your potential customers, and knock on a LOT of doors.

As it happens, INFJs can be extremely persuasive.
 

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It's a pity that you are merely human.

That in itself is a judgment. Be consistent! :)

Your judgment is trivial.
No, that's not hypocritical, I merely use judgment to clarify perception not the idiotic vice versa.

Yet another judgment. You're really sounding hypocritical now.

Also, your use of judgment is logically inconsistent with your stated beliefs.
Your Axiom: Human judgment is trivial
You use judgment to clarify perception
But human judgment is trivial
Therefore your clarification of perception is trivial.

"Ughh I'm born this way" No you are not. That's just another bullshit excuse.

Ah, so you have transcended humanity and proceeded on to a higher plane of existence? :rolleyes:

-Duxwing
 

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Ah, so you have transcended humanity and proceeded on to a higher plane of existence? :rolleyes:

Heh...



:angel:Yes, my child.:angel:

My father was a natural salesman. He met my mother selling Encyclopedia Britannica sets door to door. Needless to say, she bought a set.

Later, my father strongly encouraged me to take up a sales position in his industrial tool and supply telephone sales business that he had started and grown into a very successful operation (this was many years ago, pre internet, when things were commonly bought and sold over the telephone).

But I was much happier working in the warehouse. I started working there as an order puller and packer at age 11, when my voice was still too immature to make a convincing phone sales pitch. Later, I tried phone sales but I was just too uncomfortable trying to grill people into buying stuff. The whole sales pitch thing was just pure and utter bullshit as far as I was concerned.

So I became warehouse manager and later, purchasing agent. I really enjoyed the long hours alone in the truck picking up product, and experimenting with adding new items to our catalog.

I wouldn't say it necessarily has to do with being a poor communicator, because there was a lot of negotiation with suppliers involved in procuring product for the business. I was just more comfortable on the other end, as a buyer rather than seller.

Also, the whole paid on commission thing did not suit me. Way too much stress.
 

own8ge

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Duxwing, for your sake I hope you are trolling.

That in itself is a judgment. Be consistent! :)
It's stating an objective fact. Not the kind of judgment I was referring to.


Yet another judgment. You're really sounding hypocritical now.
It's clarification judgment. Judgment that will make you understand a perspective, a perception, an interpretation. The judgment merely reflects just that (perception).

Also, your use of judgment is logically inconsistent with your stated beliefs.
No it's not.
Your Axiom: Human judgment is trivial
In the proper context, yes.
You use judgment to clarify perception
That's indeed what I said.
But human judgment is trivial
In the proper context, yes.
Therefore your clarification of perception is trivial.
Not in this context. When I clarify perception (ergo judging perception), the judgment is merely identifying perception. Not judgmental conclusiveness that is based on judgment. Judgment based on perception, is a WHOLE DIFFERENT story than perception based on judgment.



Ah, so you have transcended humanity and proceeded on to a higher plane of existence? :rolleyes:
Now this, is perceptive. Good job :)
-Duxwing

As I presume you might not understand, I'll clarify it a little. (Yes, this sentence is Judgment>Perception. But! It's not concrete conclusive, it's speculative)

Perception can't be there without Judgment. Judgment and perception are both necessary in order to create thought-flow. If you miss 1, you miss both. They both always work simultaneously. However.. How the stream of consciousness is evolved, is dependent on what the purpose is. Is it perceptive or judgmental? We all use both, as it is necessary; but that doesn't justify an abuse of judgmental progressed thoughts. Puberty is a perfect example of abusing judgmental thoughts in order to progress your consciousness. In that particular case, it isn't that bad but rather good. But I do not wish to be involved with 'you' 'the puberty'.
 
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I recently got a job with a marketing company. So far, I'm doing pretty well. My boss says I have a "friendly and disarming presence" that works in my favor. I never thought I'd be a sales rep, but it's a whole lot easier than I thought; and it's helped a lot with my self-confidence. Just thought I'd share that since I haven't posted in a while. :) Anybody else have similar experiences with marketing jobs?
The closest experience I've had was in retail, which really shouldn't count. I assume success depends on what you're selling. If you believe it's a good product then you're more likely to succeed imho. The disarming presence thing sounds like a good change up from the stereotypical ESTPian "business major" 1993 2AM infomercial stuff they've possibly become used to.
 

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A really good salesman knows how to make a million bucks selling puberty.
 

Duxwing

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Duxwing, for your sake I hope you are trolling.

Whoa. Look out everybody, we have a tough guy over here.

--Which is "objective fact," my being human, or such a state being pitiful? The former is quasi-verifiable, while the other is mere opinion.

--You're concluding that since clarification judgment is a certain kind of judgment it is therefore not a kind of judgment, a conclusion that contradicts your premise, and is a fallacious argument akin to: "Penguins are flightless birds, therefore they are not birds". If penguins are flightless birds, then they are birds, but they are not birds, and a logical explosion results.

Now you could be putting one kind of judgment over another, but you held that human judgment is categorically trivial: "It's a pity you're only human. Your judgment is trivial." Now-- and even in your first post-- you're implicitly asserting that "clarification judgement", a kind of human judgment, is not trivial.

In the proper context, yes.

What context? You're asserting this context ad-hoc.

In the proper context, yes.

What context? You never said anything about context.

Not in this context.

This is assertion is an ad-hoc argument.

When I clarify perception (ergo judging perception), the judgment is merely identifying perception.

But it is still human judgment and therefore trivial.

Not judgmental conclusiveness that is based on judgment.

If you're going to change your argument, then admit that your previous one was wrong: you did not assert that judgmental conclusiveness was trivial, but rather that human judgment was.

Judgment based on perception, is a WHOLE DIFFERENT story than perception based on judgment.

Maybe, but we're not arguing about that right now.

Now this, is perceptive. Good job

Are you saying that my sarcasm was well-placed, or that you're above me?

As I presume you might not understand, I'll clarify it a little. (Yes, this sentence is Judgment>Perception. But! It's not concrete conclusive, it's speculative)

You certainly didn't sound very "speculative" when you judged perception based on judgment to be "idiotic" and lashed out at everyone. Perhaps you weren't aware, but your tone has calmed significantly through these last few posts. And if you were aware, then stop acting tough when you know that you can't back your assertions up with logic.

Perception can't be there without Judgment. Judgment and perception are both necessary in order to create thought-flow. If you miss 1, you miss both. They both always work simultaneously. However.. How the stream of consciousness is evolved, is dependent on what the purpose is. Is it perceptive or judgmental? We all use both, as it is necessary; but that doesn't justify an abuse of judgmental progressed thoughts. Puberty is a perfect example of abusing judgmental thoughts in order to progress your consciousness. In that particular case, it isn't that bad but rather good. But I do not wish to be involved with 'you' 'the puberty'.

This block of text is wholly unrelated to your initial point. Finish one argument, either through victory or concession, before moving on to the next one.

-Duxwing
 

own8ge

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Oh duxwing, will you ever learn? :facepalm:
 

TriflinThomas

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btw INFJ + salesman sounds rather natural to me. you would be better than ENFJ with maintaining proper distance as well as conveying/manipulating perspective.
It's a little weird for me. I've never had any sales experience (this is my first "real" job out of high school and I've only been working about a month) and everyone says I do a great job with the demos and I'm very professional; I don't see it at all lol but it's nice to know that I'm good at my job :D
Anyone can be a salesman. You just have to speak politely to your potential customers, and knock on a LOT of doors.

As it happens, INFJs can be extremely persuasive.
That's what my boss says (minus the mbti stuff :D). During the interview for the job was the first time I actually made an effort to extrovert myself and I was genuinely surprised by the positive results :^^: so I just started doing that during my demos and it's becoming pretty natural (also, caffeine helps). The great thing is that I don't have to go door to door :)
The closest experience I've had was in retail, which really shouldn't count. I assume success depends on what you're selling. If you believe it's a good product then you're more likely to succeed imho. The disarming presence thing sounds like a good change up from the stereotypical ESTPian "business major" 1993 2AM infomercial stuff they've possibly become used to.
I sell Cutco (and have a couple pieces myself) and I do believe in the product, which helps a ton. And what's great about it is that it's such a niche product that most people buy it, which reinforces my confidence in the product, which makes it easier to sell. It's a nice circular flow.
 

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Are you more of a consultant or a salesman? If salesman, how can you stand it having to push a person to buy something they weren't already in the market for? I could never do a job like that. I don't like the idea of it and I don't think I'm personable enough either. :(
 
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