You are better off not matching up to an MBTI type description...

[Adymus]

Yeah, I was kinda wondering why you were going on about text when you're fairly active on the youtube thread and couldn't have missed hers.

I figured if she is this reluctant to believing my analysis of behavior, then I probably would not have very much luck convincing her that I can (and already have) also physically read her use of cognitive functions right off of her.

 

[Dormouse]

Well, technically I was kinda fighting you, though I backed down because I said I would and I'm stubborn about going through with things.

So, to not sound Ti, small words and short sentences? Got it.

Quietly insane? Flattery.

Upon reading Cheese's post: Addddyyyyy, when is that thread on the different types of INTPs going to show up? Not that I have any vested interest in it, or anything.

 

[Adymus]

Well, technically I was kinda fighting you, though I backed down because I said I would and I'm stubborn about going through with things.

So, to not sound Ti, small words and short sentences? Got it.

Quietly insane? Flattery.

Upon reading Cheese's post: Addddyyyyy, when is that thread on the different types of INTPs going to show up? Not that I have any vested interest in it, or anything.

You don't fight like an INFJ fights, sorry, I should have clarified.


You have to realize something, that J/P dichotomy makes a huge difference in the way people treat others and present themselves, even on message boards.

Hmmmm, I suppose I'll type it up when my whimsical nature permits me to.

 

[Anthile]

You don't fight like an INFJ fights, sorry, I should have clarified.


You have to realize something, that J/P dichotomy makes a huge difference in the way people treat others and present themselves, even on message boards.

Hmmmm, I suppose I'll type it up when my whimsical nature permits me to.

What I find odd is that while you present yourself as some kind of expert (intentionally or not) you declare people to be P when they don't object. This is problematic because people simply don't argue against opinions of individuals they think are experts and know more about the topic than themselves.
It's like you would argue against a diagnosis made by your doctor out of some irrational obstinacy despite that, most certainly, you don't know it any better.

 

[Adymus]

What I find odd is that while you present yourself as some kind of expert (intentionally or not) you declare people to be P when they don't object. This is problematic because people simply don't argue against opinions of individuals they think are experts and know more about the topic than themselves.
It's like you would argue against a diagnosis made by your doctor out of some irrational obstinacy despite that, most certainly, you don't know it any better.

First of all, I am not declaring people to be P simply because they are not objecting. Even if they did object it is still noticeable when they are objecting adaptively (For example, a Ti check in logical inconsistency.) or directively (ie: an Ni user's disregarding everything I said and then giving me a rundown of their own worldview.) You can even tell a person is a J based on how they are agreeing with you.

This is also very different from a doctor's diagnosis. I am basically telling people I know how their mind works better than they do, it is very intimate and intrusive ground to tread on. It is not really something even a man with a badge and lab coat could easily get away with. Which is why it is usually extra hard to do with a personality type that has a worldview function dominant. People here do and will continue to disagree with me no matter how much I look like I know what I am talking about.

 

[DrSLudge]

And I am not just hating on the INFJ either, because you INTPs are no different. The idea of an INTP that has proficient use of Si or Fe is almost alien to you guys. Which is why most of you are so quick to jump on the "That guy is a J!" train as soon as you see the first sign of directiveness in an INTP. It is almost as if being well developed is discouraged in MBTI, and that really pisses me off.

ermm... isn't saying "THAT GUY IS A J" a kind of J thing to do anyway???

It causes me to do a lot of thinking when I think about different people types. I generally hate humans and lament the existence of extroverts, if only extroverts would just dissappear then introverts could be social, right? no lousy loudmouths to steal the spotlight just gentle constructive converstation, but then wouldn't that just make everyone extroverts?

or what about feeling self righteous about being an INTP and then looking down on, condescending and mocking all the other types for their inferiority ( which they are ignorant of, of course, too, right? ) - if everyone else is ignorant of their inferiority, and it makes you feel good, doesn't that just make you FJ ?

 

[Adymus]

ermm... isn't saying "THAT GUY IS A J" a kind of J thing to do anyway???

It causes me to do a lot of thinking when I think about different people types. I generally hate humans and lament the existence of extroverts, if only extroverts would just dissappear then introverts could be social, right? no lousy loudmouths to steal the spotlight just gentle constructive converstation, but then wouldn't that just make everyone extroverts?

or what about feeling self righteous about being an INTP and then looking down on, condescending and mocking all the other types for their inferiority ( which they are ignorant of, of course, too, right? ) - if everyone else is ignorant of their inferiority, and it makes you feel good, doesn't that just make you FJ ?

No.

 

[Minuend]

(Hell, why are like half the INTPs on this forum adamant about not being INTP...)

Maybe because some of the most visible characters on this forum show great talent for thought and creativity. And many don't see themselves as so, including some of them that is. I remember the thread that asked who felt like they belonged here, and nobody did.

I haven't really said this yet, but I too appreciate your informative threads. I had been planning to read up about cognitive functions, but didn't really bother before you posted that thread.

I'm looking foreward to the subtypes of INTPs.

 

[DrSLudge]

I'm looking foreward to the subtypes of INTPs.

exactly, or subtypes for all of 'em

 

[BigApplePi]

[FONT=arial, helvetica]Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rage at close of day;
Rage, rage against INTP on this page. [/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica]
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night. [/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
[/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica]Rage, rage against INTP on this page. [/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night. [/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
[/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica]Rage, rage against INTP on this page. [/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
[/FONT][FONT=arial, helvetica]Rage, rage against INTP on this page. [/FONT]

 

[Dormouse]

I am basically telling people I know how their mind works better than they do, it is very intimate and intrusive ground to tread on.

See? This is why I'm running for the hills. GTFO of my head.

Also, I'm about to be anal about the writing comment... I'm in an advanced English class, and every student there is a more than competent wordsmith though the majority of them are not Ti-doms. In fact, I think they're mostly S's of varying flavours. And yet, I'm totally envious of their writing skills.

Pi, nice poem, but isn't supposed to be the dying of the light?
Actually, I rather like your alterations.

 

[BigApplePi]

Dormouse thank you. The poem is about the dying of INTP hopes.

Anyway here is Adymus's caution about Ti and as well as this.

He is a specialist in doing something requiring Ti and doing his best to get it across using Fe even though he is sometimes grouchy. It's a tough job but somebody's gotta do it.

Doing a good Ti job requires all four functions as Adymus (and I'm sure Jung) says. That is why I may never succeed with this project and it well may be over my head.

 

[Irishpenguin]

(Hell, why are like half the INTPs on this forum adamant about not being INTP...)

I'm gonna go ahead and blame my ridiculously developed Fe and my lazy bum of an Si .Whom that, on occasion, may wake up, get off his ass, and then proceed to fail and alphabetizing a bowl of Cheerio's. Then he would just go back to sleep. This would explain why I rarely ever text-post, among other things.

...there you have it, scapegoat 1 and 2. (btw, that's possible right, to have your inferior function more developed then your tertiary function? I know it looks hierarchically wrong, but it just makes so much sense . And besides, if I'm wrong...I'm back to square one, which was pretty much just all day of

(Btw, this is only addressing the time when I actually doubted my INTPness, I totally accept it now)

See? This is why I'm running for the hills. GTFO of my head.

No no no. You see, you don't have anything to worry about. I'll give you a break down (wow, looking back, that sentence sounds so un-INTPish). Anyways, let's say we have an expert(Adymus), and let's say he's trying to figure out how your mind works. Okay, he admittedly will have to go in your head, but still, no worries, because this is how it would go down (If your of course an INTP, which our "Expert" has already seemingly declared)

the "expert" takes two steps into your head, realized you're an INTP, and says
"Aww fuck, this is an INTP!! I gotta get the hell outa here before some crazy shit happens!"

And you'd be good to go...though I did have a thought. If your "Expert" just so happens to be an INTP(which ours is) he might be a little too curious and wonder whats in the corner of your head and walk on over there (Going past the normal "2 step" rule for INTPs), and if this happens...well..."Crazy shit" would ensue upon your head, there might be blood, people might die, but hey, at least your get to figure out your type, right? And Adymus is a pretty cool guy, he fights monster and aliens and DOESN"T AFRAID OF ANYTHING. He is also surely not the type to give in to the "Oh what's over in that corner" type of shenanigans that would cause this in the first place.

AND BESIDES!!! You have that "Crazy Fe lich ghost, banshee spirit ghoulish thingy that got left in the fridge one too many nights" in your head, so you're covered when it comes to......head protection? I guess that's what they'd call that? Whatever.....but REGARDLESS!...you're covered

Spoiler

(To dormouse) Yea...I apologize if that intruded on any of your thoughts, that's was just a thought I had, and last I remember, you were loving up them spoiler tags, so here you go

OH WAIT!!, I almost forgot Cheese!!!

I am not a stoner!!!...Zany? Well, yes...but stoner...c'mon man... c'mon


You see, this is why I don't text often....because THIS happens...

 

[cheese]

OH WAIT!!, I almost forgot Cheese!!!

I am not a stoner!!!...Zany? Well, yes...but stoner...c'mon man... c'mon


You see, this is why I don't text often....because THIS happens...

Nah, it's just a type, I wasn't saying you actually are a stoner. Sorry if it offended.

 

[Anthile]

Irishpenguin, exclamation marks are introverted. They don't like to be in groups.

 

[Adymus]

Yep it is totally possible have an inferior more developed than a tertiary. But I should note that you have developed yours in a very specific way.

Irishpenguin, You are probably one of the most unique INTPs I have ever seen. Your top two functions both flow ridiculously freely into articulation and are unhindered by modulation. That is a good thing, it is a great thing actually, it is why you are so likable and have such great energy. It's even why you people think you are an extrovert, everyone looks like an extrovert when they have good energy and are letting their functions flow freely. The fact that you can just confidently do that on call is an amazing gift.
It is not simply the fact that you have good development, it is the fact that you are comfortable in your own skin, so you are not trying to really over use lower functions so you can look a certain way. (That is more of a matter of archetypes and personas than cog functions alone.)

Don't even trip about your Si, because whatever you did to get where you are now, you are doing it right. Si is something that develops mainly with age anyway, so it will catch up in time.

And Adymus is a pretty cool guy, he fights monsters and aliens and DOESN"T AFRAID OF ANYTHING.

You just got Signatured.

 

[Irishpenguin]

Nah, it's just a type, I wasn't saying you actually are a stoner. Sorry if it offended.

Nah it's not a biggy, mostly joking around. It's just kind of annoying how even people in RL always think I'm a stoner even though I am apparently one of the few people at my school who actually doesn't do drugs. And then I can also see how I could come off like that to you, so I can't really be that bothered by it.

As a side note: We INTPs sure are an apologetic people aren't we, There dormouse was, apologizing for stopping the "Argument"(Which just sound like a very peculiar thing to apologize about to me) and then I went and apologized to dormouse over something that doesn't have an insulting tone to it at all, and then here you are, a mere 4 minutes after my post, apologizing to me since I made a side remark that somewhat (but not much) had a resentful tone to it......phew, that's a lot of apologies going around on only one page.

Just thought I'd put that out there

Irishpenguin, exclamation marks are introverted. They don't like to be in groups.

Oh...haha...yea, I'll try to keep an out for that from now on...sorry bout that <<<SEE! already another apology...

Yep it is totally possible have an inferior more developed than a tertiary. But I should note that you have developed yours in a very specific way.

Irishpenguin, You are probably one of the most unique INTPs I have ever seen. Your top two functions both flow ridiculously freely into articulation and are unhindered by modulation. That is a good thing, it is a great thing actually, it is why you are so likable and have such great energy. It's even why you people think you are an extrovert, everyone looks like an extrovert when they have good energy and are letting their functions flow freely. The fact that you can just confidently do that on call is an amazing gift.
It is not simply the fact that you have good development, it is the fact that you are comfortable in your own skin, so you are not trying to really over use lower functions so you can look a certain way. (That is more of a matter of archetypes and personas than cog functions alone.)

Don't even trip about your Si, because whatever you did to get where you are now, you are doing it right. Si is something that develops mainly with age anyway, so it will catch up in time.

You just got Signatured.

Okay, right off the bat, I have to tell you that just two sentences into your post I had to stop and take a breather since you pretty much blew my ego into OUTER FREAKIN' SPACE!

Now, onto the question. I was kind of wondering how having "Modulation" is a bad thing. Take the example of Si not modulating Ne, I mean yea, it's funny, but in the end isn't it kind of bad to not have it modulated? Or are you talking about something different when you say "Modulation".

lol, nice, sigged yet again, it's actually funny how I didn't plan on putting that in their at all, but I ended up typing the words "Pretty cool guy".... after that it was just unavoidable. Wonder how long it will take people to notice the typo I made

 

[Adymus]

Now, onto the question. I was kind of wondering how having "Modulation" is a bad thing. Take the example of Si not modulating Ne, I mean yea, it's funny, but in the end isn't it kind of bad to not have it modulated? Or are you talking about something different when you say "Modulation".

lol, nice, sigged yet again, it's actually funny how I didn't plan on putting that in their at all, but I ended up typing the words "Pretty cool guy".... after that it was just unavoidable. Wonder how long it will take people to notice the typo I made

It is actually not a bad thing, modulation it is a good thing in that it allows us to be more adaptable and well rounded. It becomes a bad thing however when we become over-modulated and do not let our top two functions flow as freely as they should. This is something you see with people who grew up in families that validated use of lower functions, but not higher functions. For instance an ENFP friend of mine, who when we first met, every time her Ne would get excited about something and start bouncing in random directions, she would immediately modulate it and go back into structured mode. (She is improving now though.)

Now it is actually necessary that we be able to modulate ourselves, but it actually looks best and is most healthy when we allow our functions to move freely when appropriate, and modulate when necessary, as opposed to over-modulate all of the time.

 

[Irishpenguin]

So I basically come off as one of the healthiest INTPs people would see because my Si isn't developed, yet at the same time having it a little developed isn't bad sense then your words will be more fluent and not all over the place....that actually makes perfect sense. It's just like a trade off, you either have crazy ideas come off of you while having lots of energy, or you can have semi-structured thoughts while sacrificing a little energy. And you of course shouldn't overdue the structure and leave yourself out of energy completely.

I'll end off by saying I too am definitely in the crowd of people waiting for the subtypes thread. That threads prolly gonna kick ass. And here I've just noticed how it has kind of turned in to a hyped thread...heh...I can see a commercial for it now...

"MBTI Sub-Archetypes"

*transition*

"Brought to you by Adymus, The Director of "Cognitive Functions 100: Basic Functionality Revised"

*transition*

"It blew our fucking minds"
-The New York Times

*transition*

"The sexyist portrayal of Sub-archetypes the entertainment industry has ever seen.
-Rolling Stone Magazine

*transition*

"I want to dip my balls in it "
-Daniel Day Lewis

*transition*

"Fuck"
-Irishpenguin

Okay, I really need to stop this de-rail and go to bed now.

 

[cheese]

Man, I like IrishPenguin.

 

[Dormouse]

^ Yes, he should post more.

Hmm, somebody should definetly make that commercial, it might motivate Adymus to, you know, actually write the thread. </impatience>

Spoiler

Sorry, can't restrain my anticipation.

 

[Adymus]

So I basically come off as one of the healthiest INTPs people would see because my Si isn't developed, yet at the same time having it a little developed isn't bad sense then your words will be more fluent and not all over the place....that actually makes perfect sense. It's just like a trade off, you either have crazy ideas come off of you while having lots of energy, or you can have semi-structured thoughts while sacrificing a little energy. And you of course shouldn't overdue the structure and leave yourself out of energy completely.

I'll end off by saying I too am definitely in the crowd of people waiting for the subtypes thread. That threads prolly gonna kick ass. And here I've just noticed how it has kind of turned in to a hyped thread...heh...I can see a commercial for it now...

"MBTI Sub-Archetypes"

*transition*

"Brought to you by Adymus, The Director of "Cognitive Functions 100: Basic Functionality Revised"

*transition*

"It blew our fucking minds"
-The New York Times

*transition*

"The sexyist portrayal of Sub-archetypes the entertainment industry has ever seen.
-Rolling Stone Magazine

*transition*

"I want to dip my balls in it "
-Daniel Day Lewis

*transition*

"Fuck"
-Irishpenguin

Okay, I really need to stop this de-rail and go to bed now.

I think you are selling yourself short when you say it is not developed.
You can actually have a function well developed and still not over modulated by it, it is only a trade off while you are modulating, but developing functions does not actually cause you to lose anything. It basically gives you the ability to truncate or refine certain functions when necessary, which is why it is not healthy to have it constantly on.

But yeah, you've already made a great connection with your Fe, you probably have a lot of untapped potential in Si.

Also, as soon as I am done with finals (in one week) I'll be on that thread like Adymus on that thread.

 

[Irishpenguin]

I think you are selling yourself short when you say it is not developed.
You can actually have a function well developed and still not over modulated by it, it is only a trade off while you are modulating, but developing functions does not actually cause you to lose anything. It basically gives you the ability to truncate or refine certain functions when necessary, which is why it is not healthy to have it constantly on.

But yeah, you've already made a great connection with your Fe, you probably have a lot of untapped potential in Si.

Also, as soon as I am done with finals (in one week) I'll be on that thread like Adymus on that thread.

You might be right about me jumping to conclusions on my Si. I have a feeling that Si does much more than I am aware of. All I know about Si is that it is what puts structure to your thoughts, and that it comes in handy when you're debating by way of backing you up with facts and information to make you sure of yourself. Both of these things I happen to suck at (especially the debating thing). I basically have a paranoia of being 100% right about something, no matter what I know, I can almost never give someone a straight up "Yes" or "No" answer as to if something works or not or is right or not (making the whole "debate" thingy hard). I always have to use words like "Yea I'm pretty sure" or maybe if I'm feeling cocky "I'm almost positive." Though I think the paranoia has had help stemming from a couple of early experiences where I was completely sure of myself and I ended up being dead wrong, I really need to let that stuff go. In any case, that's pretty much what I based my Si development off of. So I probably missed a couple of things here and there.


One week eh?...Awesomes

 

[Dormouse]

Also, as soon as I am done with finals (in one week) I'll be on that thread like Adymus on that thread.

Ah, finals. All is forgiven.

I always have to use words like "Yea I'm pretty sure" or maybe if I'm feeling cocky "I'm almost positive."

I thought that was just an INTP thing... uhm, not that I would know.

Spoiler

Not helping my own case, am I? Actually, upon further reflection, modulation is an interesting concept and could potentially explain some of my very un-INTP behaviour. But then again, I could use that to argue for my ISFPness or taken to extremes for ESFJness or something.

Actually, INFP is looking pretty sweet today. Also it makes a lot of sense.

Whaaaatever. Feed your Si with encyclopedias! (Wait is that not how it works?)

Spoiler

Double spoiler!

Spoiler

I have become the ultimate thread derailer.

Well, maybe not, but certainly a bit of a nuissance. So sorry.

Spoiler

Bah, what do care.

 

[Adymus]

Ah, finals. All is forgiven.



I thought that was just an INTP thing... uhm, not that I would know.

Spoiler

Not helping my own case, am I? Actually, upon further reflection, modulation is an interesting concept and could potentially explain some of my very un-INTP behaviour. But then again, I could use that to argue for my ISFPness or taken to extremes for ESFJness or something.

Actually, INFP is looking pretty sweet today. Also it makes a lot of sense.

Spoiler

It is an INTP thing (or rather, an adaptive thing)... and you would so know!

I still have a nasty habit of using saying things are probably true, or they will probably happen, even when I am certain they are or will.

I'm sorry Dory, but you are going to have to enlighten me in how you are displaying un-INTP behavior?

 

[Dormouse]

Spoilered 'cause it's long and of importance to nobody.

Spoiler

Hmm, well, to begin with, I have a nasty habit of desiring approval wayyyyy more than necessary and blowing small things out of proportion, which does not seem very INTP or detached.

Then, I have absolutely no Si. Whatsoever. I can hold a few things in my head for a while but long term memory eventually just, well, dies. I can never remember facts of any sort, or even concepts, even if I understand them at the time. It's like starting from scratch again and again and again.
If I had a childhood I don't recall it. Well, I remember a few bits, mostly crying over dead insects and things. I was probably the most sensitive, naive and shallow child you would ever meet.

I obsess over tactile sensations and colours. I get distracted super easily by random... things. I don't even know what. I am a perfectionist. I am very much preoccupied by meaningless details.

I barely ever think about the future further than tomorrow, or the past further than yesterday.

I'm finding I've lost any interest I had in matters of philosophy, which is really a disappointment. General consensus in my mind is that I'm just a rather dim person who is unfortunate enough to value intelligence.
I don't understand statistics, they generally bore me.

Logic should be non-compulsory! (Only for me...)

More often than not I can't stand being alone. My head is usually empty. I like being around people in large groups, so long as I'm not expected to participate.

I hate hate hate conflict to the point were I will go to ridiculous means to avoid it. Forget having standards.

And lastly, I'm optimist. Like, whatever, everything's gonna be fine. Not many INTPs are, I find.

I like hearing people talk about themselves and others... Gossip, I guess, so long as it isn't mean. Actually, no. It can be mean so long as it doesn't encourage me to be mean as well, or make me accomplice to it. Yeah.

I am definetly not INTP.

 

[Adymus]

Woh woh woh, what standard of INTP are you even comparing yourself to?

It better not be me, because I damn sure don't meet the INTP norm, I don't even identify with half the things we talk about INTPs going through. Hence me being constantly accused of being an INTJ when I was newer to the forum. That didn't last long though, trying to tell me what type I am is an argument you are destined to lose.

Our Si is actually not that great right off the bat, it is something we have to develop. Even when we do develop it, it is still not an auto-fire photographic memory kind of Si like it is for the Si doms. So you saying that you are not an INTP because your Si is not very good is like an INFJ saying they can't be INFJ because their Ti is not very good, it is not something that is supposed to be good. Hell, I have a really well developed Si, and I still have no memory of driving to school this morning, I where I ever park my car for that matter.

We all get distracted by random things, it's called being an adaptive (P). And we are all perfectionists, that just comes from being a Ti dom (But to be fair, Fi doms are perfectionist too, so this round is a draw.)

Thinking of the future is an Ni trait more than anything else, INTPs don't use Ni, and like I said, we are adaptives, we live in the present.

Okay the fact that you say you lost your interest in philosophy suggests that it was once there, and you can't just turn into a sensor. So it sounds to me like you are going through transitional time in your life, and you are having trouble making sense of it, more than it does you are not an INTP. All of a sudden thinking your are a sensor and a feeler? To me, this actually sounds like a case of lowered self-confidence; I don't know you personally, but I am sure you are an intelligent person based on how you think and write.

I like being in large groups, I even like participating in them. I used to go to raves every two weeks about 5 years ago, with touchy sweaty people who want nothing more than to give you a hug. And you know what? I liked it, I loved it, and I am still totally an INTP. So suck on that. It is not uncommon for any personality types to be into things that are the opposite of what they are supposed to be interested in.

INTPs don't even stereotypically like conflict, the only time we are actually known for starting it is when we step in to clarify something. Conflict just makes us spend more energy, I've walked away from plenty when noticing it is about to turn bad.

You are an Optimist, so am I. Dude, have you ever listen to some of the things that I say? Literally every professional move I have ever made, wanting to become a DJ, wanting to become a professional electronic music producer, pushing the next theory of personality psychology, has been motivated by pure optimistic idealism. It is highly unlikely I would pull off any of it, but I'd rather try than sit around being depressed about how I don't get to do anything stimulating.

You like hearing people talk about themselves, and I obsess over what people are thinking and usually worry about not looking like I am prying into people's affairs, I don't really see that big of a difference.

Pretty weak reasoning Dory, don't base your personality off of stereotypes or how the rest of us appear to be.

You are so an INTP.

 

[Dormouse]

Woh woh woh, what standard of INTP are you even comparing yourself to?

Just the impression I get from the people of this forum and the few INTPs I know. Can there really be a standard model? Truth is there are moments when I can totally commiserate with something purely INTP, but there are an equal number of things which seem totally ridiculous to me.

trying to tell me what type I am is an argument you are destined to lose.

Apparently trying to tell you what type we are is one we're destined to lose, too.

Spoiler

Well, to be fair I just said I wasn't INTP. So I guess that doesn't count.

We all get distracted by random things, it's called being an adaptive (P). And we are all perfectionists, that just comes from being a Ti dom (But to be fair, Fi doms are perfectionist too, so this round is a draw.)

Hmm. I doubt I have Ti. I'm not terribly articulate and my consistency or precision is not so much there. I should probably have pointed out that my perfectionism only applies to visual things, for some reason. Like, colours matching or spoons being lined up properly.
Other stuff just doesn't register on my radar.

Thinking of the future is an Ni trait more than anything else, INTPs don't use Ni, and like I said, we are adaptives, we live in the present.

Granted, I doubt I have Ni. Occasionally I think of ideal futures but there's never a plan to get there, or any inclination to set one in motion.

Okay the fact that you say you lost your interest in philosophy suggests that it was once there, and you can't just turn into a sensor. So it sounds to me like you are going through transitional time in your life, and you are having trouble making sense of it, more than it does you are not an INTP. All of a sudden thinking your are a sensor and a feeler? To me, this actually sounds like a case of lowered self-confidence; I don't know you personally, but I am sure you are an intelligent person based on how you think and write.

Hmm, intelligence is surprisingly easy to fake. As for lowered self-confidence, I'm actually much better off than I was at the time I decided I was INTP.

You are an Optimist, so am I. Dude, have you ever listen to some of the things that I say? Literally every professional move I have ever made, wanting to become a DJ, wanting to become a professional electronic music producer, pushing the next theory of personality psychology, has been motivated by pure optimistic idealism. It is highly unlikely I would pull off any of it, but I'd rather try than sit around being depressed about how I don't get to do anything stimulating.

Well, I meant more a sort of laisser-faire optimism. Like sit around and hope stuff'll be alright. But perhaps that's more laziness than type.

Pretty weak reasoning Dory, don't base your personality off of stereotypes or how the rest of us appear to be.

Well, stereotypes generally exist for a reason, and when I sympathize more with those of another type I begin to think it matches me more.

You are so an INTP.

Let's agree to disagree.

 

[I'mProbablyanINTP]

Adymus can you do me a favour and read my soul? Obviously I'm new to this, but the type description fits my personality so hard. And not the public personality that I give off, but the true alone-time me.

I thought I was INTP, I could be I suppose, but I identify massively with the general tone of an INFJ after doing a bit of reading.

I'm beginning to think I'm some weird chameleon freak dude/sociopath? who can mesh with any group. I can fit in with high society, lawyers and judges, I can fit in with old people, young people, criminals, prisoners, drug addicts, drug haters.

I'm essentially the same person but I just pick and choose what to say and how to act around the people around me. It's weird

Dormouse, I know fuckall about anything, but it comes across that you're a very nice, sweet and honest person. I think you're lacking in confidence alone. You have dreams but don't know how to get there, maybe you just need to trust your intuition and do what you think will work out. A lot of the time it does, I've found.

 

[Adymus]

Dory, please post another video so I can physically show you that you have both Ti and Ne, it is either that or I dig through and dissect everything you have ever said, ever ever.

Actually, all I would have to do is dissect those spoilers you keep putting up. Those sidebars are all classic Ti-Ne.

 

[Adymus]

Adymus can you do me a favour and read my soul? Obviously I'm new to this, but the type description fits my personality so hard. And not the public personality that I give off, but the true alone-time me.

I thought I was INTP, I could be I suppose, but I identify massively with the general tone of an INFJ after doing a bit of reading.

I'm beginning to think I'm some weird chameleon freak dude/sociopath? who can mesh with any group. I can fit in with high society, lawyers and judges, I can fit in with old people, young people, criminals, prisoners, drug addicts, drug haters.

I'm essentially the same person but I just pick and choose what to say and how to act around the people around me. It's weird

Dormouse, I know fuckall about anything, but it comes across that you're a very nice, sweet and honest person. I think you're lacking in confidence alone. You have dreams but don't know how to get there, maybe you just need to trust your intuition and do what you think will work out. A lot of the time it does, I've found.

Mmmm, This pleases my Archetypes.

Send me a PM and tell me what troubles you.

 

[Dormouse]

Adymus can you do me a favour and read my soul?

Why you'd ask anyone to do that is a mystery to me... </paranoia>

Dormouse, I know fuckall about anything, but it comes across that you're a very nice, sweet and honest person. I think you're lacking in confidence alone. You have dreams but don't know how to get there, maybe you just need to trust your intuition and do what you think will work out. A lot of the time it does, I've found.

Well, that's rather sweet and nice, so thank you.
No worries, though, my confidence is in the best shape it's been in in years. And the dreams I have vary from crazy and unattainable to very small and likely, so I'm sure I'll manage to make a couple of 'em materialize.

Dory, please post another video so I can physically show you that you have both Ti and Ne, it is either that or I dig through and dissect everything you have ever said, ever ever.

Actually, all I would have to do is dissect those spoilers you keep putting up. Those sidebars are all classic Ti-Ne.

Okay, another video, fine. Considering the alternative, I think that's blackmail...

Spoiler

My spoilers would never betray me!

 

[I'mProbablyanINTP]

Why you'd ask anyone to do that is a mystery to me... </paranoia>

It'd be nice to have at least one person understand me

 

[cheese]

All of a sudden thinking your are a sensor and a feeler? To me, this actually sounds like a case of lowered self-confidence

And Dormouse, parenthetical clarification (or spoilers, in these case - look, I'm doing it too) is SUCH an INTP thing. Maybe it's a Ti or Fi thing. Whatever. Basically, your little spoilers are traiterous bastards and you should kill them now to achieve INFJoy or whatever it is you think you might be.

 

[Maverick]

I didn't read all of the post but whenever discussion about a system is brought up, this comes to me and I think I can't get rid of it:

ZOOM IN/OUT
our center of attention influences what we perceive to be processed to build conceptions, ideas and judgment.
When we try to comprehend something, have an idea or even make a judgment we depend on our previous judgment.

what are the controlling factors?
mood, personality type .. etc
Don't forget these factors are then affected by the all mentioned above and affect them in a loop way.

How to make use of a processor ever in developing by its own input.

We don't perceive fully because of our picky nature stemming from the standpoint we keep making and if we abandon this we'll be swamped.
it's not low latent inhibition but the dilemma of being involved in what you should discern to understand and then to build a system.

 

[Maverick]

You start as a baby with no personality.

I highly doubt it. How could you explain the genetic predisposition to schizophrenia. I know it's pathological but still fits properly.

 

[Adymus]

I highly doubt it. How could you explain the genetic predisposition to schizophrenia. I know it's pathological but still fits properly.

Yeah, the personality is not just exclusive to how we act, it's actually how we learn and make sense of reality as a whole, when you are born you have to start doing all of this right out of the womb.

 

[Oblivious]

I actually match up to multiple descriptions. I suppose this means I might be more fucked up than I think.

 

[KazeCraven]

Yep, as I develop I match up less and less to any given type.

I used to match up strongly to INFP (as recently as 5-6 years ago), with the strange fact that I had amazing logical ability.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

The obvious solution is to start encouraging people to look at cognitive functions as things more akin to tools then pieces of your identity. That's what they always struck me as anyways. Ti, Ne, etc were always things that allowed some platonic, fundamental, me-ness to interact with the world. And weren't really things that informed a core part of my identity.

Well, I see Ti as my identity, what I am preoccupied with, my "way" of doing things. Ne would be my tool, my preferred method of carrying out my way.
Lately I've been contemplating and inspired by Jimi Hendrix' lyrics to his song "Message of Love":

"Find yourself first and then your tool"
...
"I said find yourself first and then your talent,
work hard in your mind so it can come alive
and you can prove to the Man you're as strong as him
cause in the eyes of God you're both children to him

Spoiler

Yes, I know it's worded badly, but that's not the point.

 

[amazingdatagirl]

Ne would be my tool, my preferred method of carrying out my way.

I have come to the sad conclusion that Ne is not in my toolset. As much as I love and admire the dom/aux Ne-users in my life, I am an observer more than a participant in their frantic stream of extroverted intuition.

Adymus raised an interesting point in his OP - we should not aspire to the cookie cutter type profiles that are so typical on MBTI sites. Heavily Ti-ne individuals risk reducing their experience of life to a Ti-ny reality. No matter how sharp and versatile the tool, it is useless if locked inside the tool shed. Si, Fe, and even those tiresome shadow functions all play a part in demonstrating the OMG awesomeness of Ti/Ne.

 

[nexion]

Yes it does.


Have you ever made a claim and where confident that you were right? That is because you had Si to back you up.

Oh shit. I am fully confident that my Si is less developed than my Fe.

*looks at above*

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Adymus raised an interesting point in his OP - we should not aspire to the cookie cutter type profiles that are so typical on MBTI sites. Heavily Ti-ne individuals risk reducing their experience of life to a Ti-ny reality. No matter how sharp and versatile the tool, it is useless if locked inside the tool shed. Si, Fe, and even those tiresome shadow functions all play a part in demonstrating the OMG awesomeness of Ti/Ne.

This is a fault of people not researching more into MBTI, not the fixation of the functions themselves. I recognize and appreciate my SiFe, but no matter how much I acknowledge them they will always be inadequate when compared to an ESFJ or ISFJ. I cannot make an entire room of people feel comfortable and relaxed, nor can I raise the spirits of even one close friend. The best I can do is excuse myself or keep shooting in the dark with Ne.

 

[Ex-User (979)]

Ok you've seen my videos adymus what can you say for my Si and Fe. What subtype am I? (Also I like Pod'lair its a little more (shaman-ish perhaps is the word (actually I guess the word is new age anyways...) (4 brackets, what what ) ) than I would like but when I look past that I quite enjoy it.)

 

[Adymus]

Ok you've seen my videos adymus what can you say for my Si and Fe. What subtype am I? (Also I like Pod'lair its a little more (shaman-ish perhaps is the word (actually I guess the word is new age anyways...) (4 brackets, what what ) ) than I would like but when I look past that I quite enjoy it.)

Three things on this.

1. I wouldn't categorize you with a subtype, because even though I write threads called "The Many Faces of ______" I actually don't think anyone is one particular subtype at a time, we can be any or all of them.

2. Hey Thanks Although I think I would prefer Shamanistic, because it sounds cooler and doesn't have as many negative connotations as "New-age"

3. Are you really certain you want to hear the answer to this question? Because it is not going to be what you expect.

 

[Ex-User (979)]

I believe so (wonders if he types he as something else?)

 

[Adymus]

I believe so (wonders if he types he as something else?)

Well because I actually don't think you are an INTP... I think you're an INFJ. You're Ti is very strong, but it is holding back the way your Fe naturally expresses itself. It appears your current use of Fe is not as aware and comfortable as it could potentially be, which is why you quickly dampen your expression with Ti as soon as it comes up. The reason this is Unlike how an INTP's Fe expresses themselves is that we actually have to put energy into expressing ourselves, it doesn't come up readily like it does for you. And then, when our expression is damped by our Ti, it looks like we are simply dropping the curtains, our faces just naturally just neutralize on their own without having to put energy into suppressing it.

 

[Ex-User (979)]

Ok After you said that I felt physically ill for like 2 hours but anyways. First thing I think in my videos I was expressing my emotion in the form of smiling because I was thinking about very random things and doing the INTP thing of laughing to yourself at something obscure. Also perhaps I just have a higher developed Fe even though most of the time I do have the Ti face but my parents seem to be concerned with all the things that come with Fe and subsequently I was raised with having to keep Fe in mind. Also I don't get energy from my Fe. I don't identify with things like what drives an INFJ (I dont remember the exact phrasing of what it was) I have and do identify with almost everything about INTP's. On that note I must sleep, there might have been something else I wanted to say but I am too tired so.....

 

[Adymus]

Of course you don't relate to your Fe, you wouldn't have tested as an INTP if you did, it's the same story for every other INFJ that tests as INTP too.

I don't make the rules, I just read people.

 

[MaxP]

I have wondered if knowing the stuff about myself that I do has changed me in some regards. It's hard for me to tell because I have certain unusually strong stressers in my life right now so it is natural that I would rely on my dominant traits, but I have become less balanced in some regards.

I have practically no social skills anymore, and find that in conversations with people I know are not rational types I am insensitive and come off as emotionless and probably arogant as well. I suspect that this has more to do stress than anything but still, knowing that I'm actually bad at reading people's emotions and knowing how to respond in social situations has made me less confident in social situations and therefore even more socially terrible than I was before!

But with that being said I have experienced a clarity of mind I never before thought possible. Thoughts have been aligning themselves in astonishingly new and different ways (generally providing far greater clarity than previously) that I don't even understand how or why my mind developed them. New idea's are constantly springing forward and my mind works relentlessly to uncover as much as possible about the idea's

I've been up until after 4am for the last 5 nights now cause I can't sleep. It's as if I'm cursed with endless curiosity. Just finished midterms yesterday too... that was kind of a challenge to make my mind focus on something I wasn't interested in. Especially when there is something else far more compelling pulling at my mind. I would be far more displeased with my lack of sleep if it didn't come with it's benefits though. The satisfaction that comes from creating new explanations for things that we think we understand is probably one of the most gratifying experiences I know of. That moment of dawning... when it all makes perfect sense, before you can even put it into words but you know you've stumbled upon something profound... That moment right there makes the evergoing thought process, the nights laying wide awake in bed, the lack of ability to focus on anything but the internal world of logic and imagination completely worthwhile. I love being an INTP and would never change myself if I could.

Speaking of which I've got a theory to run by the members of this forum whom I think will appreciate it more than anybody else. Plus I would like some help trying to develop arguments against it and see if the theory can really hold up. If it passes the INTPs I'll pass it on to the more critical INTJs. But not until then cause they'll hurt my feelings lollol not. But alas it is nearly 4am so I will wait to post it until another time. (And I've drifted far too off topic for this thread I can't even remember what I started talking about in the first place)

Oh right... yes I think I'm gonna have to agree at least somewhat