I think it's a mistake, as potential members (either INTPs themselves or other types trying to understand INTPs) are shut out of that part of the forum. How you guys deal with relationships is always a hot topic on any MBTI forum, it seems like it's not a good idea to make it unavailable to non-members who might think of joining.
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Why did human relationships get moved to members-only status?
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Hmm, yeah, we've attracted a few good members that way, I suppose.
On the other hand, there's also stuff like this disaster. I think it was moved partly to avoid attracting any more of that sort of thing.
On the other hand, there's also stuff like this disaster. I think it was moved partly to avoid attracting any more of that sort of thing.
But those threads are inevitable, and should be managed by a moderator--
You need to do a cost-benefit analysis on the "solution" of making relationship threads unavailable to non-members, I think the benefits outweigh the costs. You could also provide a "personal thread" option for members-only if they want more privacy, but I think an INTP forum needs a relationship category that's viewable, or it's incomplete. It's one of the most baffling areas in your behavior and it will attract more members and more views of your forum.
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Eljua's sig said:
http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=6636
Who asks the oblivious INTPs for relationship advice anyway?
http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=6636
Who asks the oblivious INTPs for relationship advice anyway?
Shouldn't we go to the source?? For those of us that want to understand and adapt our behavior if possible!
Those that are irritated by the threads don't have to open them and read them, which is the INTP way, don't expend the effort!
Ah... but we are also curious creatures... We just can't resist the temptation to open those threads!
And of course we complain about them... that is also the INTP way.
Ah... but we are also curious creatures... We just can't resist the temptation to open those threads!
And of course we complain about them... that is also the INTP way.
So true!! That negativity is simultaneously irritating and cute!
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Basically what Melkor wrote in his thread. The main point is, that we, the staff, think that the Human Relationships sub-forum should be a 'service' for the people who are already members of this forum and not for random strangers.
Personally, I believe that 90% of these romance threads could be resolved by actually putting some thought into that. Not to mention that with the majority of these threads we never find out how it turned out and we are left on a cliffhanger.
Basically what Melkor wrote in his thread. The main point is, that we, the staff, think that the Human Relationships sub-forum should be a 'service' for the people who are already members of this forum and not for random strangers.
Personally, I believe that 90% of these romance threads could be resolved by actually putting some thought into that. Not to mention that with the majority of these threads we never find out how it turned out and we are left on a cliffhanger.
What do you mean by that? Because I read INTPs as having passivity as a primary trait, which can be pretty unreadable in a relationship. Blank slate/unresponsiveness from an INTP can mean anything from active avoidance to social/relational phobia/nerves to intellectual distraction that is completely oblivious to the partner........weak Fe is a strange, confusing beast.
Hey, I'm a reactive type as well & I can't adapt to unresponsiveness, unless I'm unresponsive myself, and then the relationship stalls.
I agree, it is a little disheartening to not know what worked/didn't work....but I love that you are curious as to the resolution.
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Which is why people should engage their Ti instead....Everyone underestimates the good old, direct straight-forward approach.
If the INTP is exhibiting behavior confusing to you, you should simply approach them and ask for the reasons for such behaviors. You shouldn't expect subtle cues from an INTP, or try to read into their outward behavior. There can be a huge contrast between what's on display and what's inside, and most importantly you shouldn't expect an INTP to interpret or pay attention to any cues from you, because this is simply something that doesn't register on their radar. INTPs don't like when people expect them to read minds or social cues. If you want something from them - ask, if you need something explained - ask. If they care about the relationship, they will at least attempt to explain themselves. INTPs want clarity from others, and will provide clarity when asked to do so.
I for one, don't think the benefits of having a publicly viewable human relationships subforum outweigh the costs, trap. You also seem to assume that attracting more members and views to our forum is inherently desirable...
Next to what Anthile said, I would also like to add that 93.2% of the threads there are created by people that joined only to have their issue solved, and never engage in any other thread in any other part of the forum. It feels like being used, it's insulting to us. That's not the kind of members we want.
And there is also the extremely high tendency of said noobs to know next to nothing about MBTI and thus to use their terrible misconceptions of it in all the wrong ways, and therefore only contributing to giving it a bad image, which makes Baby Raptor Jesus cry and provokes massive amounts of facepalming.
We want quality, not quantity, and historically the human relationships subforum has so far provided very few quality stuff. If less people can reach it, but the few threads that are created are actually worthwhile because they are made by members that have already spent some time in the community and learning about MBTI, then I think that's best.
If someone really wants to better understand INTPs, they should read the INTP section (and the rest of the forum) for at least a couple of weeks, try to get to know some of the members... Not join without even lurking a little and post a thread hoping for a 3-day crash-course quick-fix and then never come back...
Next to what Anthile said, I would also like to add that 93.2% of the threads there are created by people that joined only to have their issue solved, and never engage in any other thread in any other part of the forum. It feels like being used, it's insulting to us. That's not the kind of members we want.
And there is also the extremely high tendency of said noobs to know next to nothing about MBTI and thus to use their terrible misconceptions of it in all the wrong ways, and therefore only contributing to giving it a bad image, which makes Baby Raptor Jesus cry and provokes massive amounts of facepalming.
We want quality, not quantity, and historically the human relationships subforum has so far provided very few quality stuff. If less people can reach it, but the few threads that are created are actually worthwhile because they are made by members that have already spent some time in the community and learning about MBTI, then I think that's best.
If someone really wants to better understand INTPs, they should read the INTP section (and the rest of the forum) for at least a couple of weeks, try to get to know some of the members... Not join without even lurking a little and post a thread hoping for a 3-day crash-course quick-fix and then never come back...
Can you show me an example of a "quality" human relationships thread? How extroverted of me to assume you would want to attract more members! But how does a potential member know that a relational board exists if it's hidden when checking the forum out?
I don't think it should be a discouraging thing to explain and help navigate to relationally-challenged partners/friends/family members of INTPs the labyrinth of INTP behavior and introduce them to MBTI.
I don't think it should be a discouraging thing to explain and help navigate to relationally-challenged partners/friends/family members of INTPs the labyrinth of INTP behavior and introduce them to MBTI.
http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=4407
They don't. That's the point. If a random browser doesn't like philosophy, science, or random INTP interests, and only wants to know how to get in an INTP's pants? This is not the place for that. The probability of them becoming contributing members is very low, while the probability of most other members finding them irritating is very high.
Sure, a few good people that might have made great members could miss out because of that. Tough luck.
This was not done on a whim, it has been a growing concern for quite some time now and if you look around you can find several threads complaining about the crap-ass threads on said subforum, like the one Fukyo so kindly posted.
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Could you delete the threads I started in the human relationship subforum?
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Nope.
Quite apart from general principles, it would be rather odd to destroy others' posts merely to satisfy the vain regrets of a forlorn poster.
Claverhouse
Quite apart from general principles, it would be rather odd to destroy others' posts merely to satisfy the vain regrets of a forlorn poster.
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Here to bring back the love!
Nope.
Quite apart from general principles, it would be rather odd to destroy others' posts merely to satisfy the vain regrets of a forlorn poster.
Claverhouse
It was worth a try.
