Validity of forums

[Architect]

Is a web 1.0 forum such as this one still valid? Anonymity on the web used to be a big deal but now people are regularly treating it as a public and open forum, on Google+, Facebook, Twitter and elsewhere.

I like the forum format as it lends itself to more in-depth conversations then say on Google plus. However it seems rather silly to be posting anonymously like this anymore.

 

[Etheri]

I wouldn't mind you people knowing my RL identity as much as RL people knowing this part of my personality.

 

[Kuu]

"Valid"? What's that supposed to mean?

I've never thought that the anonymity was the distinguishing characteristic. It's about post frequency and focus.

If we dropped The anonymity here, I'm certain there would be absolutely no one in my inmediate vicinity, let alone someone I actually know. A place like Facebook is exactly the opposite. This place is subject specific and self selecting, the social networks are much wider and therefore diffuse creatures where people mostly catch up with the goings on and rantings of their physical acquaintances.

 

[BigApplePi]

Is a web 1.0 forum such as this one still valid? Anonymity on the web used to be a big deal but now people are regularly treating it as a public and open forum, on Google+, Facebook, Twitter and elsewhere.

I like the forum format as it lends itself to more in-depth conversations then say on Google plus. However it seems rather silly to be posting anonymously like this anymore.

Would you abolish private messages and even visitor messages on this board?

Anonymity permits separateness from controversy from what is outside and allows permissiveness with what is inside. One can say things here which might require a lot of explaining if the outside world saw them. This separateness simplifies.

Inside there might be a few vindictive "crazies." Same with outside. It's the question of privacy.

What about fantasy? Some like to take on a secret self and try it out. Would one like one's boss to see that? It might affect job chances.

Ideally everything would be open, but that ideal doesn't exist.

 

[Duxwing]

This forum is my haven from all the people who don't understand me; my refuge in emotional storms. And its safety lies in my anonymity: I am Duxwing, free from my past and able to define myself by my own will. To attach my real name to each post would be to place a great burden of worry regarding self-image on my shoulders:

-What if my employers looked me up and didn't like my philosophy?
-What if someone with revenge boiling in their mind slandered me here?
-What if I were denied entry to future forums by my actions in the previous-- a sort of universal rap sheet?

What I love about the forum can be described in the infamous introduction story that I posted to new members: the rest of the world can bruise you, beat you, take everything from you, and even nearly freeze you solid, but if you can make it here, then you'll find a place of fascinating debate, raucous fun, and interesting personalities.

So I vote "No" on the removal of anonymity: to make our names known would be to destroy the greatest virtue of this forum.

-Duxwing

 

[BigApplePi]

This forum is my haven from all the people who don't understand me

I don't understand you.

 

[Duxwing]

I don't understand you.

I meant that both in the personal and literal sense: sometimes people don't understand my logic and intuition.

-Duxwing

 

[Architect]

"Valid"? What's that supposed to mean?

"Relevant" is a better word.

Would you abolish private messages and even visitor messages on this board?

No, G+ and Facebook have those too.

Just something I'm musing about. This is pretty much the only place on the net where I am anonymous anymore. Google has been encouraging everybody to use their real names. It was a big step to go public on the net (it really wasn't that big of a deal). I just treat it all as public communication and it seems to work out well.

 

[Starswirl]

Much of the internet may have been consumed by corporate interests and may have lost anonymity. But that does not mean that we must accept this as a new fact of life. I use different internet handles for different websites and interactions. Internet society is founded on that sort of anonymity; removing it would be absurd.

And yet anonymity is becoming harder and harder. Recently I checked my email on a public computer. I then went to Youtube, only to find that Youtube was recommending pony videos to me. The email, apparently, had been associated with pony, so every IP that used the email was as well.

The internet is such a terrible and beautiful social experiment. It can't end yet.

 

[Analyzer]

How you feel about this:

http://www.discourse.org/about/

 

[BigApplePi]

Can we argue forums are for "N"s while Facebook is for "S"s?

 

[Ink]

I really don't mind if someone who wanted to know my identity could figure it out, but having my full name and picture above every post would be too much in my opinion... As in having every message I post here show up on the facebook timeline etc etc... There are different levels of anonymity

 

[EyeSeeCold]

However it seems rather silly to be posting anonymously like this anymore.

Why do you think so?

 

[Teohrn]

Can we argue forums are for "N"s while Facebook is for "S"s?

It depends on the focus of the forum. Forums with a focus on materialistic things are generally going to be sensor dominated. Forums about cars, clothes and such. On the other hand, forums that are oriented toward concepts are going to be intuitive. But I agree that Facebook is oriented towards sensors.

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

I would rather keep my anonymity on the net. It enables me to speak without being penalized for what I say or what ideas I adhere to. I don't think being a right winger would hamper me much in the business world. At the current point in time I am studying a PhD at uni. I would hate for my endeavors to be hampered by a but hurt socialist with a power complex. Believe me, at uni they are legion.

 

[Architect]

Can we argue forums are for "N"s while Facebook is for "S"s?

Facebook is ESF.

Google+ is XNTX

Forums are all over in my experience.

Why do you think so?

(Referring to it seemingly strange to be posting on forums) ... because it's so 1990's tech. The modern social networking model is not anonymous usually.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

(Referring to it seemingly strange to be posting on forums) ... because it's so 1990's tech. The modern social networking model is not anonymous usually.

Anonymous forum posting is silly because of the current state of social networking?

I don't see what that has to do with forums, which are more about the sharing of ideas rather than pure social networking.


Besides the "current model of social networking", what do you personally think is wrong with anonymity itself on internet forums? What benefits do you see as overshadowing any disadvantages of more online transparency and familiarity?

 

[Reluctantly]

Admittedly, if I couldn't speak anonymously, I would be a lot less inclined to say anything at all. Incidentally, I have accounts on all those social sites, but I only use them to get in contact with other people, not to communicate or post anything that someone can then use against me outside that medium.

Sometimes the police around here will even look at what people say on facebook and if someone says anything even remotely close to a threat, even if most people know what has been said isn't serious or a joke, they will use it against you. A lady was fired from her job for saying on facebook

“Another 4 years of this (N word) ... Maybe he will get assassinated this term,” wrote Helms, who lives in Turlock, Calif., near Modesto.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ele...facebook-post-article-1.1199917#ixzz2LmelEoWb

She sounds racist, but still, that wasn't a threat.



And this guy apparently was going to go to school dressed as Santa Claus and pass out candy. He posted it on facebook. Sound harmless, right? Here's what happened

"Students of cchs ur in for a big surprise tomorrow ," the Crawford County High School sophomore wrote Tuesday on Facebook. A parent who saw the post believe it to be a threatening statement, and called the police.

Police responded to the alert, questioning John and his parents at their home, WMAZ reports. The teen explained his plan, and noted that a teacher was also aware.

"We then spoke briefly about the nature of the post and how with the recent tragedy of school shootings that had occurred that the post could cause unrest if taken the wrong way," the police report reads. "We then left the residence without further incident."


But Crawford County Principal Mike Campbell was dissatisfied with the response, and had police escort John off the school bus to the principal's office, where he was suspended pending the results of an investigation after the holiday break. Campbell issued a public statement Wednesday calling the post "disturbing."

A guy lost his job here in Florida as a cop for saying...

"If an order was given to kill Obama or something, then I wouldn’t mind being the guy," he told colleagues, according to the newspaper.

When questioned by the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office integrity unit, he said he also didn't care if a nuclear explosion killed everyone in the Northeastern U.S because they supported Obama. He told the investigators his comments were hyperbole and not actual threats.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...r-obama-assassination-comments/#ixzz2Lmhd9Hr3



This guy posted a comment about his teacher and got a suspension, even though it wasn't intended for the teacher to see it...

BATON ROUGE, La. (CN) - A high school suspended a senior and kicked him out of the honors club because he criticized a teacher on his own Facebook page at 10 p.m., "from his own computer, in his own bedroom, at his parents' home," even though he removed the comment before school the next day, the boy and his father say in Federal Court.
John Doe and Minor Doe sued the West Baton Rouge Parish School Board, its Superintendent David Corona and Brusly High School Principal Walter Lemoine. It's a public school in a public school district; Louisiana calls its counties parishes.
"Plaintiff and Minor Doe bring and plead this matter anonymously, but their identities are already well-known to the parties," the father and son say.
Here's what happened, according to their complaint:
"At approximately 10:00 p.m. on Wednesday, September 7, 2011, Brusly High
School senior Minor Doe criticized one of his teachers on Facebook.
"Minor Doe posted the comment to his own Facebook page, from his own computer, in his own bedroom, at his parents' home.
"He formatted the comment so that it was visible only to 10 students with whom he had been working earlier that evening, all of whom had Facebook pages of their own.
"Unbeknownst to Minor Doe, one of those students took a cell phone picture of the posting and sent it via text message to the teacher at issue.
"Having intended the Facebook post as a joke, Minor Doe deleted it the following morning before school.
"Upon receiving the text message, the teacher reported Minor Doe's Facebook post to Principal Lemoine.
"On Monday, September 12th, 2011, Principal Lemoine called Minor Doe's mother to Brusly High School for a meeting.
"At that meeting, Lemoine informed Minor Doe's mother that Minor Doe's
Facebook post violated the school's 'Improper access of the Internet' policy, and that
Minor Doe would be suspended out of school for five days.
"At the request of Minor Doe's mother, herself a teacher in West Baton Rouge
Parish, Lemoine reduced Minor Doe's punishment to a two-day, in-school suspension.
"Minor Doe's two-day, in-school suspension began Friday, September 16th. Principal Lemoine also removed Minor Doe from the Brusly High School 'Beta Club,' an academic honors society.
"The teacher at issue is the faculty supervisor of Beta Club."
Mother Doe asked to meet with the school superintendent "to discuss the constitutionality of Minor Doe's suspension and the possibility of having it reversed and expunged."

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/10/25/40892.htm



LA VIVA ANONYMITY!


I don't even trust you guys here with knowing my identity, which is part of the reason I never share anything that could key you in on who I am (not that I hope anyone would care anyway, but you never know).

 

[Architect]

Anonymous forum posting is silly because of the current state of social networking?

I didn't say it was silly. I'm saying it seems like old Web 1.0, where other social networking sites are Web 2.0. They've got live notifications, identity, circles, etc.

I don't see what that has to do with forums, which are more about the sharing of ideas rather than pure social networking.

Spend much time on G+? And certainly forums are social networking too. How many relationships has INTPf spawned? Discussing ideas is INTP's way of social networking.

Besides the "current model of social networking", what do you personally think is wrong with anonymity itself on internet forums? What benefits do you see as overshadowing any disadvantages of more online transparency and familiarity?

You're focusing too much on the anonymity part. I'm saying, for example, that INTP's could form a Google+ Community, where then we'd know who we were talking to, we'd have notifications of posts and comments, voting (+1), etc.

 

[Etheri]

As in having every message I post here show up on the facebook timeline etc etc... There are different levels of anonymity

That's just downright scary. Please don't terrify me.
In all honesty, if that happened, I'd honestly never post.

I didn't say it was silly. I'm saying it seems like old Web 1.0, where other social networking sites are Web 2.0. They've got live notifications, identity, circles, etc.

Spend much time on G+? And certainly forums are social networking too. How many relationships has INTPf spawned? Discussing ideas is INTP's way of social networking.

You're focusing too much on the anonymity part. I'm saying, for example, that INTP's could form a Google+ Community, where then we'd know who we were talking to, we'd have notifications of posts and comments, voting (+1), etc.

I like the idea of notifications on posts and comments. I think voting is superficial and not needed on here, and I remember there was a previous discussion about it. That being said, i'm not opposed to it.

While we could have in-site circles and such, I see no reason to. It'd only promote circles to distance eachother...
As for external circles, as an INTPf group on FB, if it were a private group I might consider it. If it were a public group where anyone could read what I were saying, who I was talking to etc, I'd not join.

Again, I don't so much care about any of you knowing my identity (I don't think I pissed anyone off enough for them to track me down... ), but I'd like this part of my identity hidden from some of my other acquaintances.

 

[Architect]

I think voting is superficial and not needed on here, and I remember there was a previous discussion about it. That being said, i'm not opposed to it.

On G+ voting serves two purposes. One is affirmation, and when somebody gets a lot of votes it gets sent to you (even if you don't subscribe to them) as "Hot on G+". This is a form of supporting viral memes which I think is neat.

The other is acknowledgement, when having a conversation with a person instead of doing a post (and seeming to need to get the last word in) a simple +1 indicates that you read the other persons post and are agreeable to it, but have nothing further to add.

On forums discussion drop off a cliff. Did the person get tired? Did they even read it?

While we could have in-site circles and such, I see no reason to. It'd only promote circles to distance eachother...

Those are only necessary for a place as big as G+. This site is small enough (people interested in INTPism), which is why I suggested something like a community on G+

Again, I don't so much care about any of you knowing my identity (I don't think I pissed anyone off enough for them to track me down... ), but I'd like this part of my identity hidden from some of my other acquaintances.

Private conversations are available on G+. Again it's the circle, you can post to individuals and nobody else (it becomes a form of editable email in a sense).

 

[BigApplePi]

Those are great stories illustrating what happens when people make unfavorable judgments. People will do that. There is such a thing as slander and libel and everything in between. To minimize that, we draw boundaries aka tact aka rules aka laws.

There are rules on this very forum. Sometimes those rules are not clear for your particular case. Judgments are rendered on breaking the rules. Judgments are rendered on what the enforcement is.

I don't know why, but I have a certain pride in being an "N." When I do a "J" I feel uncomfortable. Not so with those "J"s.

 

[Mr Write]

The other is acknowledgement, when having a conversation with a person instead of doing a post (and seeming to need to get the last word in) a simple +1 indicates that you read the other persons post and are agreeable to it, but have nothing further to add.

On forums discussion drop off a cliff. Did the person get tired? Did they even read it?

Yes; I think we INTP's especially need a feature like this.

 

[Fukyo]

There are plenty of bells and whistles for forum software, social networking integration and +1 being among them. I personally prefer them without the bells and whistles, and I wouldn't dream of forsaking the anonymity, it's imo an integral part of internet culture, and I like it the way it is. I'm not a fan of modern social networking. The society is not open enough to difference of opinion for me to support the idea of widespread use of real identity, the risks are great and can come from many sources and consequences, be grave as Reluctantly outlined.

People risk losing and being unable to get jobs and/or getting into schools, being subject to paranoid legal enforcement, being a target of cyber crime, being subject to real life harassment, having their and their family's physical safety endangered by vengeful netizens who happened to dislike their opinions, being targeted by radical organizations that consider them a threat to their ideology. Out of principle, no thanks.

 

[BigApplePi]

@Fukyo

There are plenty of bells and whistles for forum software, social networking integration and +1 being among them. I personally prefer them without the bells and whistles, and I wouldn't dream of forsaking the anonymity, it's imo an integral part of internet culture, and I like it the way it is. I'm not a fan of modern social networking. The society is not open enough to difference of opinion for me to support the idea of widespread use of real identity, the risks are great and can come from many sources and consequences can be grave as Reluctantly outlined.

People risk their losing and being unable to get jobs and/or getting into schools, being subject to paranoid legal enforcement, being a target of cyber crime, being subject to real life harassment, having their and their family's physical safety endangered by vengeful netizens who happened to dislike their opinions, being targeted by radical organizations that consider them a threat to their ideology. Out of principle, no thanks.

That can happen on a forum too. I was on a bulletin board where my persona was no different than here. There was an ENTJ who disagreed with me. An ultra J person. He did everything he could to intimidate me as well as others. He was skilled enough to take on hundreds of aliases though banned every morning. He had a group of followers who liked the entertainment he provided but did nothing to stop him. As a mod, if you are interested in more details, PM me.

 

[Jennywocky]

I really don't mind if someone who wanted to know my identity could figure it out, but having my full name and picture above every post would be too much in my opinion... As in having every message I post here show up on the facebook timeline etc etc... There are different levels of anonymity

Yeah, I'm kind of in that same boat.

As an aside, FaceBook irks me, the way it tries to grab stuff from everything I do. I mean, it even tries to post my Yahoo news browsing history. Like the world really needs to see what news I've been reading? Is our culture really so unproductive that we need to have our minutia broadcast in such detail in order to look like we're actually doing something with our time?

 

[Jennywocky]

The other is acknowledgement, when having a conversation with a person instead of doing a post (and seeming to need to get the last word in) a simple +1 indicates that you read the other persons post and are agreeable to it, but have nothing further to add.

On forums discussion drop off a cliff. Did the person get tired? Did they even read it?

Yes; I think we INTP's especially need a feature like this.

I'm up for this. It's a simple feedback loop. I remember earlier in my posting on this site, I couldn't even tell whether people were reading my posts. And sometimes I totally agree with what's being said, but I have nothing to add, feel stupid just posting, "Thanks for that," or feel that anything I would add would detract from the post. It's an INTP site. I doubt we would abuse it into some kind of popularity contest as some other sites do when they refuse to include that feature...

 

[Fukyo]

@Fukyo
That can happen on a forum too. I was on a bulletin board where my persona was no different than here. There was an ENTJ who disagreed with me. An ultra J person. He did everything he could to intimidate me as well as others. He was skilled enough to take on hundreds of aliases though banned every morning. He had a group of followers who liked the entertainment he provided but did nothing to stop him. As a mod, if you are interested in more details, PM me.

I should clarify that I was referring to harassment in real life, which is more disturbing and harmful than on an online board. You can just leave an online board, you can't just leave your house and identity behind.

 

[Etheri]

On G+ voting serves two purposes. One is affirmation, and when somebody gets a lot of votes it gets sent to you (even if you don't subscribe to them) as "Hot on G+". This is a form of supporting viral memes which I think is neat.

The other is acknowledgement, when having a conversation with a person instead of doing a post (and seeming to need to get the last word in) a simple +1 indicates that you read the other persons post and are agreeable to it, but have nothing further to add.

On forums discussion drop off a cliff. Did the person get tired? Did they even read it?

Those are only necessary for a place as big as G+. This site is small enough (people interested in INTPism), which is why I suggested something like a community on G+

Private conversations are available on G+. Again it's the circle, you can post to individuals and nobody else (it becomes a form of editable email in a sense).

I browse threads by seeing the ones that were replied to latest. In a way, this ats as a 'hot on INTPf' function. I do agree, the +1 would in this sense be useful. I'd just hate to see it go into a popularity contest, or have people refrain from posting. Perhaps a function where you can tag posts as 'interesting' or 'good' or whatever, without a clear 'score'? Perhaps once a post surpasses a treshold, it could be marked aswell, but no counting and knowing who's been upvoting what, that'd be stalkish and lead to cliques more than anything =/

I admit, I've never tried G+, and considering howmuch I hate myself for having a fb account, I'll try to keep it that way.

 

[Fukyo]

IIt's an INTP site. I doubt we would abuse it into some kind of popularity contest as some other sites do when they refuse to include that feature...

Actually, that's the reason.

I think that the founder has made a point not to enable reputation due to INTPc experiences.

 

[Architect]

G+ is the most INTP friendly of the social networking sites. It was invented by Google after all. Like I say +1 isn't a popularity contest like it is on Facebook as a form of feedback.

 

[Philovitist]

G+ is for hipsters. :/

I like being free to choose anonymity. Forcing me to reveal myself without a good reason just isn't reasonable.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I didn't say it was silly. I'm saying it seems like old Web 1.0, where other social networking sites are Web 2.0. They've got live notifications, identity, circles, etc.



Spend much time on G+? And certainly forums are social networking too. How many relationships has INTPf spawned? Discussing ideas is INTP's way of social networking.



You're focusing too much on the anonymity part. I'm saying, for example, that INTP's could form a Google+ Community, where then we'd know who we were talking to, we'd have notifications of posts and comments, voting (+1), etc.

Forums aren't social networking. They are forms of socialization, sure, but the emphasis isn't on connecting and forming relationships with real life identities. If a person expressed such intentions on most forums they would come off as creepy / stalkerish.

As for votes / "likes", those can already be implemented, but in my opinion they bring down the quality of responses by reducing human input to some uninformative automatic response(of course, besides the possible popularity contest). A vote/like tells you little about the reader's appreciation, only indicating that someone found some part of your post interesting, but do not tell exactly what or why they found it interesting.

 

[Architect]

Forums aren't social networking. They are forms of socialization, sure, but the emphasis isn't on connecting and forming relationships with real life identities. If a person expressed such intentions on most forums they would come off as creepy / stalkerish.

We'll have to disagree on that one. I've seen too many meetups, hookups, relationships, both IRL and in the forum to think otherwise. I'll agree it's not as highly social as Facebook, but it's in the ballpark.

As for votes / "likes", those can already be implemented, but in my opinion they bring down the quality of responses by reducing human input to some uninformative automatic response(of course, besides the possible popularity contest). A vote/like tells you little about the reader's appreciation, only indicating that someone found some part of your post interesting, but do not tell exactly what or why they found it interesting.

I'm not sure you read my response above. On G+ the +1 performs the useful service of affirming the post ("I hear you") without having to actually say something. Consider it a head nod.

G+ is for hipsters. :/

have you been on G+? I see more older folks then younger and few hipsters. The hipsters are too cool for social networking.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

We'll have to disagree on that one. I've seen too many meetups, hookups, relationships, both IRL and in the forum to think otherwise. I'll agree it's not as highly social as Facebook, but it's in the ballpark.

I just would think those are the exceptions, but I guess I don't really pay attention to that so I could be missing it all.

I'm not sure you read my response above. On G+ the +1 performs the useful service of affirming the post ("I hear you") without having to actually say something. Consider it a head nod.

Yeah that was more directed at the mention of the possibility of such features being implemented in intpf's software.

 

[Meer]

Anonymity is good. I liked to keep different parts of my life in separate boxes, and it would be uncomfortable if the boxes started mixing with each other.

As for likes, +1s, votes and whatever, my favourite part of the reputation system on other forums is the way it lets you make short, private comments on a specific post. This enables you to express tangential ideas without clogging up the rest of the discussion.

Also, toasters are so 20th century.

 

[walfin]

I didn't use my real name on Facebook and don't use my real name on G+ either.

Destroying anonymity is destroying free speech (well, free writing, whatever).

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I'm saying, for example, that INTP's could form a Google+ Community, where then we'd know who we were talking to, we'd have notifications of posts and comments, voting (+1), etc.

There's probably one that already exists since MBTI is kind of popular, but if you're thinking about making one, go for it.

I suppose people could still maintain anonymity by using their forum names, they just would be more connected.

 

[redbaron]

I hate voting up/down systems.

They add (perceived) validity to posts based simply on how many people happen to be in agreement with the POV presented. Reputation systems are just as bad. People can be incredibly petty with systems like this, people who make posts specifically to try and receive upvotes/rep.

It discourages intelligent discussion and people who hold alternative or unconventional viewpoints.

It's an INTP site. I doubt we would abuse it into some kind of popularity contest as some other sites do.

It wouldn't be used as a popularity contest, but I have no doubt it would be abused during certain discussions and that it would degrade the quality and general attitude of the forum.

The system exists for people to feel like their ideas and thoughts are being reciprocated, which really has no bearing on the actual truth - it just makes people feel good (or bad). I'd suggest that the desire to have people give a, '+1' to your posts (not you specifically Jenny, speaking on general terms here) stems from a desire for your own thoughts to be validated and for you to validate others, not as a method to increase the quality of discussion or bring anyone closer to identifying the truth.

I'd stop using the forum instantly if a rep/+1 system was implemented (maybe I shouldn't say this, it's probably more a case FOR implementing it for the mods )

And something I haven't realised until just now, the only forums I've ever been active on and found the discussion to be even semi-stimulating, have all been forums entirely devoid of reputation/voting systems. Funny that I hadn't noticed it until now.

 

[redbaron]

As for anonymity it has good and bad points. I think the biggest argument FOR anonymity is that it encourages people to be honest and to speak their mind. It also eliminates the possibility of people being personally targeted for their views and beliefs outside of the forum.

When people are anonymous, they have no qualms about being blunt and honest. This to me is a good thing, even if it means and perhaps partly because people will act like a dick sometimes. At least they are expressing their true thoughts and feelings, and it is possible to qualify their opinions on this basis.

E.g. if someone acts like a dense moron every time a certain topic comes up, then we know why. We can at least guess at their motives and choose to ignore/debate with them at our own choosing.

 

[snafupants]

For the most part, INTP forum both entertains and stimulates. What more do you want?

It's a fucking forum, and neither Faulknerian in its poetry nor particularly earnest in its philosophy.

Spoiler

A forum is comprised of (as a rule) inferior men, which puts expectation suitably low.

 

[BigApplePi]

@snafu.
I want die hard live for another day truth and nonsense. I can do without the nonsense, but give me truth or give me death. Seriously this is a place where I can try hard to see truth articulated as best as I and you can. Then we can try to improve on that. That provides worthwhile and enjoyable goals.

 

[BigApplePi]

Re: Validity of forum voting

@redbaron
Hear! Hear! I've been on voting boards. It's interesting for a while. Then what happens is instead of concentrating on content, the scores themselves become the content. Bad news. It may take a while for this to happen as some boards try to remain honest. Nevertheless some members take it seriously.

If one thinks about views, deviant ones may be the most creative or valuable. Shared views may be the most desired, but are we after commonality or value? On the other hand what if deviant views are trash views? In that case using our own judgment to ignore those is a good learning experience.

I vote for vote no for vote yes.

 

[Duxwing]

Re: Validity of forum voting

@redbaron
Hear! Hear! I've been on voting boards. It's interesting for a while. Then what happens is instead of concentrating on content, the scores themselves become the content. Bad news. It may take a while for this to happen as some boards try to remain honest. Nevertheless some members take it seriously.

If one thinks about views, deviant ones may be the most creative or valuable. Shared views may be the most desired, but are we after commonality or value? On the other hand what if deviant views are trash views? In that case using our own judgment to ignore those is a good learning experience.

I vote for vote no for vote yes.

I suspect that if you hear a slogan or point of view enough, even if said slogan or point of view is garbage, then you'll be affected by it in unconscious ways despite your better judgment.

-Duxwing

 

[TimeAsylums]

Anonymity issue: too many (some would say all) people judge subjectively by appearance, could hinder or help certain others 'unfairly.' Otherwise, that is pretty minor.
Otherwise, notifications, groups, messages, announcements, would be so incredibly useful.