The Mighty INTP's and Deja vu

[TheScornedReflex]

I basically have a hunch that INTPs have a high 'deja vu' err rate? Any feed back on your experiences would be great.

Me personally I have had deja vu a few times. Not alot but its happened. I want to see if I can get a little understanding of it.

 

[Jennywocky]

What kind of feedback are you looking for?

I probably have 6-10 episodes of deja vu a year. It's like shortly before the Moment of Deja Vu, it's like I sense it coming; then the current moment syncs up with the deja vu feeling, so it's like I'm watching events conform to the mental "memory" and it all "clicks into place" and matches; and then, like an eclipse or planet moving away in orbit, it all recedes until everything is normal again.

 

[Notyouraverageuser]

Can you expand on what exactly you are interested in finding out about deja vu?

 

[TheScornedReflex]

Can you expand on what exactly you are interested in finding out about deja vu?

Honestly I'm not sure.

What causes it?
Is there a meaning beyond it? (probably not)

Please feel free to broaden on this if/when you feel I'm being to vague. Tis something I've never really thought about till now. So i still have to take the time and arrange my thoughts as its only just popped into my mind and stolen my attention.

And as to the feedback anything deja vu related.

 

[Notyouraverageuser]

Honestly I'm not sure.

What causes it?
Is there a meaning beyond it? (probably not)

Please feel free to broaden on this if/when you feel I'm being to vague. Tis something I've never really thought about till now. So i still have to take the time and arrange my thoughts as its only just popped into my mind and stolen my attention.

And as to the feedback anything deja vu related.

Deja vu has crossed my mind before, but I have never really given it the appropriate amount of thought; however, I have taken some notes on it that I will share with you in hopes that you can somehow finish the thought process.

-I've noticed a pattern of connecting certain situations in very odd ways. For example, the way someone says a word. If I hear someone distinctly say a word that I have heard before pronounced in that exact same way, it will create a moment of detachment from my mind. I will freeze time, recognize that I have heard that word before, and take a mental image in my line of sight. This image serves the purpose of filling in the missing image in my head that I would use to associate with my first experience hearing the word; thus, leading to a deja-vu feeling.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

Interesting but not how I have deja vu. I see the whole scene if you will, in a dream so I won't pay attention to it. If I remember it at all. Then a few days/weeks/months I'll see the same scene and BAM deja voodoo

 

[Jennywocky]

Honestly I'm not sure.

What causes it?
Is there a meaning beyond it? (probably not)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_KmNZNT5xw


Not really sure, honestly, of the actual chemical/bio reasons for it, though. It's an interesting artifact of something, I'm sure.

 

[Notyouraverageuser]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_KmNZNT5xw


Not really sure, honestly, of the actual chemical/bio reasons for it, though. It's an interesting artifact of something, I'm sure.

Well, studying for my final was nice while it lasted...

 

[TheScornedReflex]

Its an irritating subject. Lost of speculation. Now to watch the matrix. I blame you JennyWocky!

 

[EvilBlitz]

Ok. Way out there. I used to have unbelievably vivid dreams when younger, and I would swear I predicted future events within my social circle.
In some cases I felt it let me alter the outcome.

These have become less frequent as I get older and had had more responsiblities and a greater circle of social interaction.

I personally think it was the case of living/interacting with such a small group of people while very very introverted that I was able to "see" future events. Though I would describe them as more likely events. No one remembers they dreams they get wrong, so in essence seems better than it is. Like the broke clock always right sometimes.

 

[Architect]

I used to have quite frequent déjà vu. Nowadays it either doesn't happen as much or I'm not paying attention. I read an article some years back where brain researchers believe they know the cause of déjà vu, which occurs due to the way the brain stores memories. My separate research and how the brain works collaborates this information which is why I lost interest in there being any particular significance to the phenomenon.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

Interesting. Time to see if I can find the article. To Wikipedia! And Google, then porn.

 

[MissQuote]

I had a theory or idea about Deja Vu years ago, and then sort of moved on because it made enough sense to me to not think on it too much anymore.

I basically came to the conclusion that it must have something to do with the optic nerves/visual cortex.

It went something like:

I thought it may be a sort of stutter, if you will, between the visual information and the registering of seeing it. A sudden glitch.

Just a nanosecond longer than usual between seeing something and ones brain registering in conscious thought that it has seen it will create a subconscious memory of having seen the scene before. Which would technically make it so one had in fact experienced the thing twice, with the first memory one that is unable to be called up as specifically happening. And hence deja vu happens.

I suppose it could work the same with audio deja vu.

 

[Proletar]

Just the occational acid flashback.


Why would INTPs have a higher rate than anyone else on deja vus? INTPs are not relying on stored information, like the IJ-types.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

Just the occational acid flashback.


Why would INTPs have a higher rate than anyone else on deja vus? INTPs are not relying on stored information, like the IJ-types.

I was new to MBTI and hadn't put much research into it. At the time I was meaning that because we (INTPs) are good at finding patterns that it would apply here.

 

[Katy]

I was new to MBTI and hadn't put much research into it. At the time I was meaning that because we (INTPs) are good at finding patterns that it would apply here.

That's probably closer to it - we see patterns in almost everything. Human behaviour is mostly predictable, with an outcome of possibly 5 scenarios to any one situation. So it'd be safe to assume that as we are making neurological connections, we'd get that off kilter sense of deja vu. And probably why it happens less as we get older. There aren't as many pathways being formed cerebrally. Well, not usually.

I still get it and sometimes it's almost a precog thing but whether it's proof of ESP or not....? who knows

 

[joal0503]

ive experienced deja vu before...and i always come to the conclusion that my mind is simply replaying or jumbling together old memories or something...now the ones where i trace them back to a dream...thats when i just need to go out and drink more beer

 

[Wolf18]

Sometimes I'm standing around observing my surroundings and I find that I recognize the exact configuration of the surroundings, as in the place of a tree, or the books on a bookshelf. It happens at random times, sometimes with speech, too, in that I know exactly what the person is going to say, or even write. I would like to learn to channel it and control it. I know someone else who can do this, but I think she's an INFP, not INTP. Maybe it's an INxP thing.

SW

 

[ElvenVeil]

INTPs are not relying on stored information,like the IJ-types.

@Proletar

What do you mean by this? I would love an explanation

 

[Proletar]

@Proletar

What do you mean by this? I would love an explanation

Well then.

*Leans back and pulls the bretelles into place*


Besides the NT, NF, SP and SJ you could also divide the personality-types into two groups - judging types and percieving types.

What separates the judging types from us (according to MBTI) is that the judgers have an introverted percieving function available in their axis. Either Si or Ni. My INTJ-friend has Ni as his dominant-function, and he knows very, very much about the world history, especially the economic and political bit. IJ - introverted percieving functions.

INTPs also have one of these; as do everyone. We have Si, and it's our tertiary. Basically, we remember how to cook rice and how to use the elevator. Other than that, we have an internal judging function (Ti) and an extroverted percieving function (Ne) as our axis - neither of them a memory-function per se. Therefore, it wouldn't be too crazy to assume that INTPs don't suffer a lot from memory-based disorders, isn't it?

 

[TheScornedReflex]

Alot of the articles have suggested theorys as of how it happens. E.g what part of the brain is in use when deja vu happens. I am more interested in the why.

 

[Katy]

... survival mechanisms...?

 

[TheScornedReflex]

... survival mechanisms...?

5 points for answering. Minus 100 for being unsure :P

 

[Katy]

gawd damn it *scuffs shoe against ground*

 

[TheScornedReflex]

gawd damn it *scuffs shoe against ground*

Minus 10 for scuffing shoe.

Maybe deja vu stems from another dimension interacting with our subconscious.. Okay maybe not.

 

[Katy]

d'oh >.<


I'm not even gonna ask how to get my points back up.. have this horrible feeling it's gonna involve heavy thinking n possibly some painful callisthenics :P

 

[Katy]

Maybe deja vu stems from another dimension interacting with our subconscious.. Okay maybe not.

well... that 'might' be possible if you think of time as being multidimensional instead of linear ( I think that's the word I want) ... and if you consider that the mind/ thoughts are like radio waves then it could be feasible that deja vu is simply a crossing of those dimensional wires.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

d'oh >.<


I'm not even gonna ask how to get my points back up.. have this horrible feeling it's gonna involve heavy thinking n possibly some painful callisthenics :P

Mwahahahahahahaha.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

well... that 'might' be possible if you think of time as being multidimensional instead of linear ( I think that's the word I want) ... and if you consider that the mind/ thoughts are like radio waves then it could be feasible that deja vu is simply a crossing of those dimensional wires.

Yes. That was what I was meaning. *glances back and forth rapidly*

 

[Katy]

Yes. That was what I was meaning. *glances back and forth rapidly*

now we're even :P lol

 

[TheScornedReflex]

now we're even :P lol

Nooooo all those points! I was so close to freedom. I blame you Katy

 

[Katy]

Nooooo all those points! I was so close to freedom. I blame you Katy

lol! Everyone else does :P



btw, they're my points now...


*skips off, gigglin' to self*

 

[TheScornedReflex]

* kneels in anguish watching Katy happily skip off *
Must solve Deja vu problem!! Only way to get points back.

 

[SpaceYeti]

I disagree that INTPs are mighty in any significant, communal way.

Anyway, my dejavu is a fairly rare event. I think it happens when the things that are currently happening get mis-processed, and they register as a memory.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

I agree that INTPs are mighty in significant and communal ways.

Anyway, my dejavu is a fairly rare event. I think it happens when the things that are currently happening get mis-processed, and they register as a memory.

Ohhh you. Yes we are.

What about when you dream it then it happens?

 

[Leaded Wings]

I have given a relatively small amount of thought on the subject of Deja Vu. Although on the surface it seems miraculous, and could yield a quite interesting "think session", I feel somewhat intimidated by it for the same reasons I am interested in it. My encounters with Deja Vu stand clearly in my memory, and when it happens, I find myself looking for the next action that will take place. It is as If I am aware of (in instances regarding people) the next person that will speak and what they will say. I find it hard to believe in most "spiritual" things, so my automatic assumption is that our subconscious minds are aware of so much that they are able to deduce certain sequences of events. It's as if our conscious minds catch a slight wind of our subconcious. This, however, does not explain the "recollection" feeling, nor does it explain the instances of Deja Vu occurring during non-human scenarios. This theory may need to be stretched a bit more to fully blanket the phenomena of Deja Vu.

 

[redbaron]

I've had actual deja vu maybe once in my entire life. It's something to do with the brain, electrical signals or whatever. It's frequency is different for all people, but how it happens is not really that interesting, once I learned what it was I didn't care to ponder it further. Can't find the links to the studies unfortunately (it wasn't interesting enough to save).

It's not spiritual, miraculous or anything of that nature anyway and there's nothing about it that I can remember that would indicate INTP's are more likely to experience it.

 

[Katy]

I disagree that INTPs are mighty in any significant, communal way.

.. and here I thought I was special...


*goes off to sulk*

 

[SpaceYeti]

.. and here I thought I was special...


*goes off to sulk*

HA! You're sad!

What's wrong, saddy-sad, scared you're mundane like everyone else? Well you're right! Now go cry over your mediocrity, and understand the sadness of Average Joe! You are a mere ape, whom will die in less than a single century, who's stuck in a purposeless universe where every star pours it's energy out into the vastness of space and into uselessness, until it all ends when entropy destroys the last bit of useable energy or everything collapses into itself, and everything you've ever known or loved, though hundreds of billions of years gone anyway, don't even exist as their constituent atoms...

 

[Katy]

HA! You're sad!

What's wrong, saddy-sad, scared you're mundane like everyone else? Well you're right! Now go cry over your mediocrity, and understand the sadness of Average Joe! You are a mere ape, whom will die in less than a single century, who's stuck in a purposeless universe where every star pours it's energy out into the vastness of space and into uselessness, until it all ends when entropy destroys the last bit of useable energy or everything collapses into itself, and everything you've ever known or loved, though hundreds of billions of years gone anyway, don't even exist as their constituent atoms...

damn you and your perceptions!

... at least apes can climb tress and bash things good. Alas, I'm a hairless pongid...

 

[SpaceYeti]

Hell yeah we climb trees!

 

[Katy]

speak for yourself :P

... I tried that not long ago and ummm... the final result didn't quite end up the way I expected. Needless to say, I was told not to climb trees and to act my age.

(Un?)fortunately, I don't tend to listen to advice all too often and would prefer to stick myself in bandages for a further 6 months

 

[SpaceYeti]

I still climb trees, once in a while. I'm 30 years old and have a nuclear family wherein I'm the father. I have never been injured by climbing, or falling out of, a tree. I was once injured slightly by a tree which fell on me, though was only a scratch.

 

[Katy]

The injury was already there but being a stubborn wench, I tend to push myself beyond what Drs n so forth seem to think is acceptable. Way I see it, it's gonna hurt anyway so may as well do something fun in the process :P

Trees falling on humans - not such a good idea altho kudos for not getting squished

 

[SpaceYeti]

It wasn't an idea so much as an old, rotten tree. It was only a cherry tree, though. It landed mostly on it's branches, and one snagged the back of my shirt. I couldn't slide out of it, nor could I reach the tree to lift it, so I was basically just sitting down until someone came to move the tree.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

It wasn't an idea so much as an old, rotten tree. It was only a cherry tree, though. It landed mostly on it's branches, and one snagged the back of my shirt. I couldn't slide out of it, nor could I reach the tree to lift it, so I was basically just sitting down until someone came to move the tree.

That's right. This pansy has tree friends. *evil flower laugh* No where is safe! *evil flower laugh continued*

 

[Katy]

ah ok... that makes a different sense

 

[Katy]

That's right. This pansy has tree friends. *evil flower laugh* No where is safe! *evil flower laugh continued*

*squirts you with vinegar*

 

[TheScornedReflex]

*squirts you with vinegar*

*holds up fish and chips to catch vinegar*

 

[Katy]

*holds up fish and chips to catch vinegar*

I knew I shoulda just thrown a lemon at you >.<