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The Many Faces of INFJ
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Adymus
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Basically Pi, the Dominant function is only as strong as the ones below it allow it to be. So yes, technically you can say that one person's dominant is stronger than another one's dominant, but that is do to the experience of refining and developing all of their other functions.
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So, I've just decided I'm an INFJ. This'll probably last for a couple of days until I change my mind again. Apologies for any psycho-messiah behaviour in advance. 
Yayyyyy.
Oh, and I like the idea of divising them by the strengths of their functions. It'd be helpful, giving everyone an idea of what they've got to work on. But do keep the quirky names, it makes the whole reading process much more enjoyable.
Yayyyyy.
Oh, and I like the idea of divising them by the strengths of their functions. It'd be helpful, giving everyone an idea of what they've got to work on. But do keep the quirky names, it makes the whole reading process much more enjoyable.
Adymus
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You're not, but don't let that stop you. You go have fun birthday girl!So, I've just decided I'm an INFJ. This'll probably last for a couple of days until I change my mind again. Apologies for any psycho-messiah behaviour in advance.
Yayyyyy.
Oh, and I like the idea of divising them by the strengths of their functions. It'd be helpful, giving everyone an idea of what they've got to work on. But do keep the quirky names, it makes the whole reading process much more enjoyable.
Yeah I really like the idea of making the sub-types sound cool as well, even when they are not particularly good.
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I had some ideas when I read this thread but I wasn't going to post them, but since you asked...
These were just the first things that came to mind. Obviously would need some work, better nicknames, pretty colors, etc...
INTP
The Logic Hawk: The Hawk lives to point out others' mistakes in logic and they can spot one from a mile away. Excellent provider of clarity but underdeveloped Fe means this INTP can unknowingly upset others.
Often mistyped as: INTJ, ENTJ, ESTJ
The Robot: Similar to the Hawk but less motivated. Rarely shows emotion or conviction and usually stays quiet. Arguably the least developed INTP.
Often mistyped as: INTJ, ISTP, ISTJ
The Empath: This is the closest an INTP comes to being touchy-feely. Well-developed Ne and Fe give this INTP a deep interest in people and a desire to understand them that's often equal to their desire to understand everything else.
Often mistyped as: INFP, ENFP, INFJ, ENTP
The Walking Encyclopedia: WEs' well-developed Si gives them an uncanny ability to remember all of the facts and details their Ti could ever need. They love to provide information when needed (and sometimes when not) and they've got the data to support almost any argument. Can be occasionally annoying.
Often mistyped as: ISTJ, INTJ
The Visionary: Amazing things happen when an INTP really develops their Ne. Visionaries can imagine almost anything and love to explore all of the possibilities, even the impossible ones. These INTPs are often the inspiration of many, even if they themselves don't put much stake in their flights of fancy.
Often mistyped as: ENTP, ENFP
Often mistyped as: INTJ, ENTJ, ESTJ
The Robot: Similar to the Hawk but less motivated. Rarely shows emotion or conviction and usually stays quiet. Arguably the least developed INTP.
Often mistyped as: INTJ, ISTP, ISTJ
The Empath: This is the closest an INTP comes to being touchy-feely. Well-developed Ne and Fe give this INTP a deep interest in people and a desire to understand them that's often equal to their desire to understand everything else.
Often mistyped as: INFP, ENFP, INFJ, ENTP
The Walking Encyclopedia: WEs' well-developed Si gives them an uncanny ability to remember all of the facts and details their Ti could ever need. They love to provide information when needed (and sometimes when not) and they've got the data to support almost any argument. Can be occasionally annoying.
Often mistyped as: ISTJ, INTJ
The Visionary: Amazing things happen when an INTP really develops their Ne. Visionaries can imagine almost anything and love to explore all of the possibilities, even the impossible ones. These INTPs are often the inspiration of many, even if they themselves don't put much stake in their flights of fancy.
Often mistyped as: ENTP, ENFP
INTJ
The Know-it-All: Similar to the INTP Hawk, KIAs love to argue. What's different is that these guys have never heard of being wrong, unless it was about someone else. They will defend their vision until they die, and will have already invented a way for it to be defended long after their death.
Often mistyped as: ENTJ, INFJ, INTP
The Solo Artist: The world is a place full of personal biases, and SAs want no part of it. If they are to be true to themselves, they'll need to avoid outside influences whenever they can. They need to know they can succeed all by themselves and they value detachment almost as if it were a moral cause.
Often mistyped as: INFJ, INTP
The Moral Warrior: A well-developed Fi gives these INTJs a strong dose of moral urgency to help their Te win over the world. These INTJs know better than others that being logical isn't enough to convince them you're right; you have to promote something 'good' in the process.
Often mistyped as: INFP, INFJ, ENFP
The Tastemaker: Exploration of Se gives this INTJ a sense of what appeals to the senses to give their Te that extra push. They love to dabble in the world of sensations, looking for the sensing world that appeals most to their vision, which will likely becomes its face to the world. On the negative side, these types can be prone to addiction and risk-taking behavior.
Often mistyped as: ESTP, ENTJ, ISTP
The Champion*: The Champ wants to win, pure and simple. Whether it's a debate, or even a war, they will stop at nothing. And while this type can be a bit overbearing, there's no one you want on your side more than this guy. To be honest, this INTJ could somewhat describe all INTJs. They just take it a bit further.
Often mistyped as: ENTJ, ENFJ
* or substitute with: (Ni)nja
Often mistyped as: ENTJ, INFJ, INTP
The Solo Artist: The world is a place full of personal biases, and SAs want no part of it. If they are to be true to themselves, they'll need to avoid outside influences whenever they can. They need to know they can succeed all by themselves and they value detachment almost as if it were a moral cause.
Often mistyped as: INFJ, INTP
The Moral Warrior: A well-developed Fi gives these INTJs a strong dose of moral urgency to help their Te win over the world. These INTJs know better than others that being logical isn't enough to convince them you're right; you have to promote something 'good' in the process.
Often mistyped as: INFP, INFJ, ENFP
The Tastemaker: Exploration of Se gives this INTJ a sense of what appeals to the senses to give their Te that extra push. They love to dabble in the world of sensations, looking for the sensing world that appeals most to their vision, which will likely becomes its face to the world. On the negative side, these types can be prone to addiction and risk-taking behavior.
Often mistyped as: ESTP, ENTJ, ISTP
The Champion*: The Champ wants to win, pure and simple. Whether it's a debate, or even a war, they will stop at nothing. And while this type can be a bit overbearing, there's no one you want on your side more than this guy. To be honest, this INTJ could somewhat describe all INTJs. They just take it a bit further.
Often mistyped as: ENTJ, ENFJ
* or substitute with: (Ni)nja
INFP
The Emo Kid: Okay, I couldn't resist. 
Seriously though, some INFPs are like this. The world can be a nasty place and they're here to tell you that.
Often mistyped as: Nothing, this is the pretty much the stereotype.
The Dream Weaver: An active Ne gives this INFP a wild imagination that can conceive worlds of wonderous things. They have a deep appreciation for the arts and love to express themselves in unique ways.
Often mistyped as: ENFP, ENTP
The Nurturer: These INFPs are often drawn to the wounded and misunderstood among us. They believe they can see people for who they really are and have a forgiving nature. They can easily fall prey to abuse when they trust too readily.
Often mistyped as: ISFP, ENFP
The Accusor: Not all INFPs are all about sunshine and rainbows. This type is quite judgmental and won't hesitate to bring the hammer down on whomever it deems worthy. Failure to meet their stringent moral standards can result in being pretty much exempt from their life as they prefer to keep their surroundings free of undesirables. Be sure not to anger this type.
Often mistyped as: INFJ, ENFJ, ENTJ
The Nostalgic: Heavy use of Si gives this INFP a good recall of cherished memories of what's beautiful and good in their world. This type loves to reminisce about times that served as inspiration, though they may tend to become a little too comfortable reminiscing, at the expense of their Ne.
Often mistyped as: ISFJ, ISTJ
The Motivator: Combined with the inspiration of Fi and Ne, this INFP uses Te to communicate with the world. This type knows how to get their message 'out there' in a way others can understand, and this can often serve as a powerful motivator to people The Motivator's message resonates with. This can also help them persuade Thinking types who may otherwise stay unconvinced.
Often mistyped as: ENTJ, ENFJ, INFJ, ENFP, INTJ
Seriously though, some INFPs are like this. The world can be a nasty place and they're here to tell you that.Often mistyped as: Nothing, this is the pretty much the stereotype.
The Dream Weaver: An active Ne gives this INFP a wild imagination that can conceive worlds of wonderous things. They have a deep appreciation for the arts and love to express themselves in unique ways.
Often mistyped as: ENFP, ENTP
The Nurturer: These INFPs are often drawn to the wounded and misunderstood among us. They believe they can see people for who they really are and have a forgiving nature. They can easily fall prey to abuse when they trust too readily.
Often mistyped as: ISFP, ENFP
The Accusor: Not all INFPs are all about sunshine and rainbows. This type is quite judgmental and won't hesitate to bring the hammer down on whomever it deems worthy. Failure to meet their stringent moral standards can result in being pretty much exempt from their life as they prefer to keep their surroundings free of undesirables. Be sure not to anger this type.
Often mistyped as: INFJ, ENFJ, ENTJ
The Nostalgic: Heavy use of Si gives this INFP a good recall of cherished memories of what's beautiful and good in their world. This type loves to reminisce about times that served as inspiration, though they may tend to become a little too comfortable reminiscing, at the expense of their Ne.
Often mistyped as: ISFJ, ISTJ
The Motivator: Combined with the inspiration of Fi and Ne, this INFP uses Te to communicate with the world. This type knows how to get their message 'out there' in a way others can understand, and this can often serve as a powerful motivator to people The Motivator's message resonates with. This can also help them persuade Thinking types who may otherwise stay unconvinced.
Often mistyped as: ENTJ, ENFJ, INFJ, ENFP, INTJ
The Walking Encyclopedia: WEs' well-developed Si gives them an uncanny ability to remember all of the facts and details their Ti could ever need. They love to provide information when needed (and sometimes when not) and they've got the data to support almost any argument. Can be occasionally annoying.
That's me lmao. Everyone thinks I'm INTJ.
That's me lmao. Everyone thinks I'm INTJ.
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The Logic Hawk and the Walking encyclopedia. :P
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I already have one based on this concept, called "The Generalist aka The vortex of knowledge"
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Yes!
But they must develop their lower functions to do it. For instance Fe must be developed to see why it is not acceptable by society, Ti needs to be developed so it can refine what about it is not logically consistent, and Se needs to be developed to bring it into creation. All of that is a process of being it more refined and realistic.
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Regarding INFJs (since my last post was essentially off-topic), with so many forms the personality type can take, what can we say is the one common thread of the type? the one thing all of those diverse 'faces' undoubtedly have in common? Obviously it's dominant Ni, a worldview based on patterns, which gives them the most energy and is where their ego is most oriented...etc....etc...and then Fe, Ti, Se...
But, I'm trying to see it without typology terminology, and just with 'common' language. Basically, what is it in INFJs that people unacquainted/uninterested in typology/MBTI would be able to differentiate from the qualities of, say, ESTPs, INTPs, or any other type INFJs commonly appear to be? It seems as if this type is particularly adept at imitating other types, as if it were their goal to be hard to pinpoint. hmmm.
But, I'm trying to see it without typology terminology, and just with 'common' language. Basically, what is it in INFJs that people unacquainted/uninterested in typology/MBTI would be able to differentiate from the qualities of, say, ESTPs, INTPs, or any other type INFJs commonly appear to be? It seems as if this type is particularly adept at imitating other types, as if it were their goal to be hard to pinpoint. hmmm.
Ombat
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Very interesting. A couple of questions though:
If an INJF wasn't in touch with his Fe (as with the Destroyer of Worlds, for example), what exactly would he be using to execute his plans for revolution? If Ni perceives only (correct?) what is being out of "touch"? Does it mean that Fe isn't fully developed, or that it is developed, but being used in a different way? I would think he would need his extraverted judgement functions to get things done. Am I wrong?
Also, although your description fits perfectly, I'm finding it difficult to see Shawn Spencer as an introvert. I thought introverts are supposed to be drained by the external world, yet he seems to thrive on it. I mean, that's one hell of a developed Se.... How do you tell the difference?
If an INJF wasn't in touch with his Fe (as with the Destroyer of Worlds, for example), what exactly would he be using to execute his plans for revolution? If Ni perceives only (correct?) what is being out of "touch"? Does it mean that Fe isn't fully developed, or that it is developed, but being used in a different way? I would think he would need his extraverted judgement functions to get things done. Am I wrong?
Also, although your description fits perfectly, I'm finding it difficult to see Shawn Spencer as an introvert. I thought introverts are supposed to be drained by the external world, yet he seems to thrive on it. I mean, that's one hell of a developed Se.... How do you tell the difference?
Adymus
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Still Fe.
Cognitive functions are never absent, even when not well developed.
Not being in touch with Fe would mean that it is not being used to give them "Push back" on their model. Because when an INFJ articulates their Ni to people, they get a reaction out of people, it could be either in approval or disapproval. When it is in disapproval, then they have to go back into their Ni and remodel it and find out what when wrong, and then try again.
The INFJ who is out of touch with their Fe will just keep increasing their Ni modeling, and in their Ni they will see their Fe being validated, but they are so out of touch with what Fe really values that it will just be a distorted and unrealistic perception.
As for your second question, I already answered that, scroll up.
Adymus
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It's the anger in their eyes.
They all have that deep dissatisfaction for the world, and you can see it in their eyes.
Yeah, it's not scientific, but it's there if you know what to look for. (Unfortunately it is mainly the F's that are in tune with things like this.)
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That's just great. There'll be mass murderers around and we won't even be able to tell.
Adymus
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Not necessarily!
Keep up your practice of reading people and you'll start to see it too.
cheese
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Also, that anger must look different to ours, right? A lot of the people here have complained about being seen as angry all the time, even though they're just emotionless at the time.
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Yeah, I'm still trying to read people and I think I'm getting better! You get a feel for things. (Still a fairly dodgy 'science' for me, but hopefully it'll keep improving.)
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Yeah, I'm still trying to read people and I think I'm getting better! You get a feel for things. (Still a fairly dodgy 'science' for me, but hopefully it'll keep improving.)
Adymus
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That is just them confusing neutral emotion for anger.
And it does not always look like literal anger (although sometimes it does).
Ombat
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Validated by... what they believe they are seeing but actually isn't there? Like an Fe hallucination?... or something? How might Fe become so distorted that it becomes blind to "real" values?
Sorry, I understand that the lower functions can become highly developed, but how are they not draining? I'm misunderstanding everything here...
Adymus
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Those of us that have Fe, can actually abstract an Fe encounter into our Ni or Si (Whichever is connected to it) and essentially play it out in our minds. When we do this we can see based on our Fe connected worldview, whether our plan will work or not, based on how we see Fe values. It is not a hallucination, we all do this (and by we I mean, those of us with Fe, even INTPs.)
Because if you do not have experience of actually experiencing Fe, then you lose touch of what it values.
They are draining, but times like that are very critical, a peak moment of sorts were a person musters the energy to pull through it. Like I said in the post above, they are also not taking in literally every piece of information and remaining in Se at all times. Because it is for the purpose of Ni looking for an answer, or a time to make a move, so they go back in and out of it.
Ombat
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Ok, I understand now. Thank you for clarifying.
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Okay, this is a little unclear to me.
Is this anger is the eyes such a pervasive theme among INFJs? I mean, it makes sense in the context of an individual that has the deep dissatisfaction with the world, but are they all really dissatisfied? Also, how would you differentiate between expressions of anger in other types?
I heard you connect distinct emotions with types several times, such as sadness with INFPs and worry with Si. Care to expand on that some time?
I can relate to the "Empath" and the "Visionary"(and at times "The Robot") but I don't believe I have well-developed Ne nor well-developed Fe.I had some ideas when I read this thread but I wasn't going to post them, but since you asked...
These were just the first things that came to mind. Obviously would need some work, better nicknames, pretty colors, etc...
INTP
The Logic Hawk: The Hawk lives to point out others' mistakes in logic and they can spot one from a mile away. Excellent provider of clarity but underdeveloped Fe means this INTP can unknowingly upset others.
Often mistyped as: INTJ, ENTJ, ESTJ
The Robot: Similar to the Hawk but less motivated. Rarely shows emotion or conviction and usually stays quiet. Arguably the least developed INTP.
Often mistyped as: INTJ, ISTP, ISTJ
The Empath: This is the closest an INTP comes to being touchy-feely. Well-developed Ne and Fe give this INTP a deep interest in people and a desire to understand them that's often equal to their desire to understand everything else.
Often mistyped as: INFP, ENFP, INFJ, ENTP
The Walking Encyclopedia: WEs' well-developed Si gives them an uncanny ability to remember all of the facts and details their Ti could ever need. They love to provide information when needed (and sometimes when not) and they've got the data to support almost any argument. Can be occasionally annoying.
Often mistyped as: ISTJ, INTJ
The Visionary: Amazing things happen when an INTP really develops their Ne. Visionaries can imagine almost anything and love to explore all of the possibilities, even the impossible ones. These INTPs are often the inspiration of many, even if they themselves don't put much stake in their flights of fancy.
Often mistyped as: ENTP, ENFP
Perhaps it doesn't have anything to do with the level of development, perhaps it's more about the path of development or the "rigidity" of the function? Maybe this could explain why some INTP's are more adamant than others? (My two cents.)
Adymus
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Okay there is one thing I should clarify here, that I probably should have clarified when I said this on INFJ forum.
When I say "anger" I am actually describing something very subjective to me. If you looked at the same thing I did, there is a good chance you would not agree that this looks like anger. It is a very distinct look that they have, that I have come to short hand as "Ni dom anger." Even though it is not really an objective look of anger.
It is really hard to describe without just showing you one hundred Ni doms until you see that pattern yourself.
Actually, yes, they are all dissatisfied with the world to some degree, not necessarily only for social and political reasons. But because they are most drained and impinged on by Se. That means as soon as they wake up, and even while trying to sleep, they are under constant attack by Se, there is just no escape from it. So this does actually create a very adversarial attitude against the world itself.
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I haven't been on the forum for ages but someone reposted your original post on Personality Cafe in the INFJ section. As soon as I started reading it I knew it was by you.
I'm definitely INFJ - absolutely no doubt about it. I am the Academic (obviously!) but I've got strong Method Actor traits too. I have been the Guru and that's definitely still part of me but I know it's not that appropriate outside of the therapy situation. The Revolutionary - that's why I can't read or watch the news any more - my blood pressure can't take it. The Gypsy Queen - hell yeah! I can seduce, fascinate, captivate, manipulate because I've been taking in all the information about a person from the second I meet them. I have freaked people out by knowing stuff about them that 'no one else knows' on far too many occasions - I tone myself down nowadays because otherwise I'm just too intense and people are scared of me. The Cobra - sigh, that's the one that gets me in the most trouble with men - as soon as I feel threatened I strike and the blow is usually deadly. Their sexy princess has turned into a sword wielding warrior queen and they can only look on in horror as their severed head rolls down the path. Then it's too late to turn around and say 'oh I didn't mean it quite like that'...
I'm definitely INFJ - absolutely no doubt about it. I am the Academic (obviously!) but I've got strong Method Actor traits too. I have been the Guru and that's definitely still part of me but I know it's not that appropriate outside of the therapy situation. The Revolutionary - that's why I can't read or watch the news any more - my blood pressure can't take it. The Gypsy Queen - hell yeah! I can seduce, fascinate, captivate, manipulate because I've been taking in all the information about a person from the second I meet them. I have freaked people out by knowing stuff about them that 'no one else knows' on far too many occasions - I tone myself down nowadays because otherwise I'm just too intense and people are scared of me. The Cobra - sigh, that's the one that gets me in the most trouble with men - as soon as I feel threatened I strike and the blow is usually deadly. Their sexy princess has turned into a sword wielding warrior queen and they can only look on in horror as their severed head rolls down the path. Then it's too late to turn around and say 'oh I didn't mean it quite like that'...
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oh and btw - I believe this is what you saw in the video of me:
I do exactly what you describe when I teach - exactly because I need to have that air of authority and not look like a 'used car salesman' - brilliant, I loved that! Of course I used the Method Actor to fit in here and pass as an INTP for so long - even fooled myself for a while!
I do exactly what you describe when I teach - exactly because I need to have that air of authority and not look like a 'used car salesman' - brilliant, I loved that! Of course I used the Method Actor to fit in here and pass as an INTP for so long - even fooled myself for a while!
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Of course I saw that in you, but I know very well what Ti being done by an INTP looks like versus what Ti being Done by an INFJ looks like. There really is a massive difference that I am quite aware of, so I really don't need to be told how to use my own technique.
You were actually using a lot of Fe in that video, it was not at all held down like the INFJ academics do it.
I'm just going to throw this out there, but that is so not something an INFJ Guru would say. What they contain in their Ni is pure natural law. It is applicable to all aspects of life, and thus is appropriate to be taught anywhere and anytime.
Also: (This has nothing to do with you SQ) I'm kind of annoyed that I didn't even get a name drop in that thread, I'm just credited as "Some INTP guy". Not cool, but I'm glad so many people enjoyed it.
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For the record, I was the only poster (so far) to mention that the article was composed by an individual as opposed to an entire forum, or an undefined number of authors, as the OP conveyed in that thread.
Didn't say your name, as idk, it would have made the situation too personal.
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Apart from the previously mentioned http://homepage.mac.com/bahlberg/iblog/B1386252977/C715152919/E467503953/index.html, I'm suprised no one has mentioned the "25 Varieties" one from INTPC / Personality Cafe?, though the last time it was brought up here, quite a few people dismissed it. http://personalitycafe.com/intp-forum-thinkers/4763-25-varieties-intps.html
It's cognitive function swamp (NTIP . . . really?) But you could use it to draw some inspiration.
It's cognitive function swamp (NTIP . . . really?) But you could use it to draw some inspiration.
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lol you're still wrong about me! One day you might meet me irl and then you'll agree with me
The INFJ guru is wiser than you realise.But I did mention you because I thought it was crap too that they didn't credit you properly.
See you around but not here I suspect.
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She doesn't "want" to be. She actually is. I've had several long conversations with her about INFJs and she really knows them. She's old enough and wise enough to see it in herself. She's also wise enough to accept that she was wrong about thinking she was an INTP for so long. She's been through a lot in her life and because of it she's developed a few of the functions that generally go unnoticed by the average INFJ.
/derail, rant.
/derail, rant.
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Some others I think might be INFJs ...
Cesar Milan AKA The Dog Whisperer - he comes across on his show as the ultimate balanced human/masculine ideal.
Jerry Seinfeld (the character, maybe the man himself too?) – has great insight into human behaviour and society with his comedy and is pissed off by his Se (breaks up with GFs because of details i.e. man hands, annoying laugh etc.)
Mystery the Pick Up Artist
Kanye West
Cesar Milan AKA The Dog Whisperer - he comes across on his show as the ultimate balanced human/masculine ideal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBRV2cXC5GA
Jerry Seinfeld (the character, maybe the man himself too?) – has great insight into human behaviour and society with his comedy and is pissed off by his Se (breaks up with GFs because of details i.e. man hands, annoying laugh etc.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu5gLrCLZdQ
Mystery the Pick Up Artist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRZb8FrZeIU
Kanye West
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdl4aCey1O0
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3 out of 4 ain't bad.
Cesar Milan - INFJ (His techniques are sooooo Ni-Fe)
Jerry Seinfeld - INTJ (I'm guessing the Character is supposed to be INTJ too, considering it is himself)
Mystery - INFJ (That right there, is a Gypsy king INFJ... He dresses like a prick, but he is a highly intelligent person)
Kanye West - INFJ (Nothing to say on that one...)
Cesar Milan - INFJ (His techniques are sooooo Ni-Fe)
Jerry Seinfeld - INTJ (I'm guessing the Character is supposed to be INTJ too, considering it is himself)
Mystery - INFJ (That right there, is a Gypsy king INFJ... He dresses like a prick, but he is a highly intelligent person)
Kanye West - INFJ (Nothing to say on that one...)
Adymus
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hahahaha!
Yeah, I've thought about it. But I'm not, I'm very familiar with how my functions work and what place they hold in my psyche, I know that I am an Ne/Si user for sure, and that my whole perception of self is based on Ti dominance. Also I feel like the idea of constant future thinking, which is what you get with Ni doms (who are not doing some Se based activity) is completely alien to me.
You mentioned that you couldn't think of a fictional example for the false guru. It seems to me that Kurz (Heart of Darkness) could fit the bill, with the "harlequin russian" being one of the weaker personalities that gravitate to him.
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Not to mention crazy, but that's apparently just me.
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Why do you want be an INFJ?
lol Anamalech - it's got nothing to do with what I want to be - it's just what I am. Interestingly since I realised that I have become much happier - reconnected with my spiritual side, my heart has melted and never really think about MBTI much any more - I kind of finally got what I needed to understand myself and I feel sort of 'whole'. I'm much more effective at work, I don't feel so cut off from other people, I have loads more confidence in my inner world but also less of a sense of disconnection from the material world (though I pretty much experience it as there being hardly any veil between my inner and outer worlds - they are all part of the same continuum).
It was engaging with the cognitive functions which I found particularly helpful.
I was pretty messed up for years due to my horrible childhood and then a couple of horrible relationships as an adult, but since working with the cognitive functions in conjunction with my long-standing mindfulness and meditation practice, I feel like things have become integrated and have dropped loads of neurotic behaviours. It's been quite a painful process at times, but I feel much more connected to myself, other people, etc.
I dunno Anamalech - I just feel like me again.
I recently met a Cobra/Gypsy King/Academic and a Method Actor.
Cobra/Gypsy King/Academic:
1. Combining rationality and manipulative skills to locate people's psychological weaknesses.
2. Is weak when self weakness is compromised.
3. Great attention to details and cues.
4. Sees social interaction as mind games.
5. Prone to conspiracy theories and actually believes them.
6. An intellectual(or at least smarter than myself.)
Method used to deal with this person:
1. Insignificant and random hints to show inconsistency.
2. Showed "false emphasized detail" that hinted possible conspiracy. "I know your weakness."
3. Absence of emotion.
Result:
Psychologically, I was able to defend myself. But he switched from psychological manipulation to technical manipulation. So, for some reason, I was detained by superiors and some people became suspicious of me. Bah...who cares..>.>
The Method Actor:
1. Difficult to type but theoretically fits Ni Fe.
2. I've gone from all EXXX to the sole introvert: INFJ.
3. Most significant trait: Fe smiles.
4. Possibly ENFJ but too introverted.
5. Adjustable persona.
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I also met an academic/mathematician INTP who blew my head off...
Cobra/Gypsy King/Academic:
1. Combining rationality and manipulative skills to locate people's psychological weaknesses.
2. Is weak when self weakness is compromised.
3. Great attention to details and cues.
4. Sees social interaction as mind games.
5. Prone to conspiracy theories and actually believes them.
6. An intellectual(or at least smarter than myself.)
Method used to deal with this person:
1. Insignificant and random hints to show inconsistency.
2. Showed "false emphasized detail" that hinted possible conspiracy. "I know your weakness."
3. Absence of emotion.
Result:
Psychologically, I was able to defend myself. But he switched from psychological manipulation to technical manipulation. So, for some reason, I was detained by superiors and some people became suspicious of me. Bah...who cares..>.>
The Method Actor:
1. Difficult to type but theoretically fits Ni Fe.
2. I've gone from all EXXX to the sole introvert: INFJ.
3. Most significant trait: Fe smiles.
4. Possibly ENFJ but too introverted.
5. Adjustable persona.
---
I also met an academic/mathematician INTP who blew my head off...
cheese
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As in it was angry with you? Or amazing?
Amazing. She was interesting in so many ways. I did not talk to her much and mainly listened...and even then I was in awe. Perhaps it's simply my Ti Ne being severely stimulated. It wasn't really her academic ability, it was simply her peculiarity that astounded me. (which is quite surprising, even to me)
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Words. Can you say anything about content? Something specific?
Specific. I have been avoiding delving into much detail due to some "interesting" safety measures but I will try to and as honestly as I can.
First of all, I have seen her "group" for so many times and have noticed the characters in the group except for her. I have talked to most of them and what one surprising realization was that that out of all the characters, I have ignored an interesting one. I did not find the rest "enthusiastic" ones "interesting" because they have proven to have predictable tendencies. It made me ask the question: what was something about her that made her invisible to my eyes? It was how she carried herself and how "normal" she looks. This was one peculiarity. "Easy to miss."(Amazing!)
I soon had the chance of interaction with her through some conditions. I mainly listened and observed her continuous displays of "Ne behavior" added with the predominant Ti silence. She has significant conformity to standards, accelerated studying and other potential for growth. She was interesting...but sadly, I believe I have exaggerated yet again. There is more, but more is too much.
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Some others I think might be INFJ - interested to hear your thoughts Adymus:
Madonna - she's typed ESTP almost everywhere I look (even Keirsey typed her ESTP), but looking through her quotes page she seems to have very obviously strong dominant Ni.
Also fictionally Ted Mosby from How I Met Your Mother ? Strong Ni visionary drive to find his soulmate - not sure which one of those INFJ category he'd fit into.
I've been wondering, is Eminem an INFJ that modulates his Fe with Ti a lot in interviews or INTJ in Ni-Fi loop?
Madonna - she's typed ESTP almost everywhere I look (even Keirsey typed her ESTP), but looking through her quotes page she seems to have very obviously strong dominant Ni.
Also fictionally Ted Mosby from How I Met Your Mother ? Strong Ni visionary drive to find his soulmate - not sure which one of those INFJ category he'd fit into.
I've been wondering, is Eminem an INFJ that modulates his Fe with Ti a lot in interviews or INTJ in Ni-Fi loop?