Refugee from INTPc

[Wolfpine]

Hey,

I'm looking for a community that's NOT full of a hundred bitter, middle-aged, miserable people who will generally respond with "clever" one-line insults or self-absorbed commentary to anything one posts.

I am an INTP, of course, but I'm frustrated at INTPc for

1) the infrequency of posts on actual, interesting topics,
2) the inadequacy of posts on actual, interesting topics, and
3) the entire "life sucks, but I'm too lazy to do anything about it, so bite my ass" vibe.

Will I find what I seek in this corner of the Internet, or is this a type thing?

Oh, also, greetings!

~Wolfpine

 

[EvilScientist Trainee]

Welcome!

I may not be a good representative of this forum, since i'm not really that INTP, but you'll often find what you're looking for on this site. We have plenty of philosophy, religion and MBTI threads, and everyone enjoys discussing them.

I only wish we had more Science and technology threads, but when they appear, they are usually very stimulating too.

So, make yourself at home.

 

[Anthile]

If it goes on like that, we have to set up soup kitchens.

 

[DarkGreen]

This place is nice. How do I explain it? I would do everything for a Klondike bar on the internet except leaving this forum. How's that?

 

[Gather_Wanderer]

It does seem to be a bit INFPish over there but, then again, I'm not even so sure of this statement.

Welcome, Traveller.

 

[loveofreason]

But self-absorbed, bitter commentary is all I aspire to :'(

At least there's not another 99 of me.


I like your tree. And your name. ^^ ...but how can we support the foundation of your knowledge as it floats about in the sky? I feel almost compelled to offer you a bucketful of earth.

 

[Wolfpine]

It does seem to be a bit INFPish over there

You have no idea - the other day, I saw a thread where the OP was "I'm lost. My life has no meaning, I hate my job." and all the responses were along the lines of, "Yeah, I'm in the same position. Just keep doing your job, and try meditating." or "Yeah, life sucks, as do most of the people on this rock. Nothing you can do."

I mean, I'm just as existentially pained as the next thinker, but is everyone stuck in some perpetual midlife crisis where the only response seems to be to "settle and deal with it"?

It's almost offensive.

how can we support the foundation of your knowledge as it floats about in the sky? I feel almost compelled to offer you a bucketful of earth.

I refuse to be grounded. You can try, but you'll probably give up after a few buckets fall through into more sky, and the tree - with its own paradoxical volition - shakes the rest off like a dog just out of water.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Hey,

I'm looking for a community that's NOT full of a hundred bitter, middle-aged, miserable people who will generally respond with "clever" one-line insults or self-absorbed commentary to anything one posts.

I am an INTP, of course, but I'm frustrated at INTPc for

1) the infrequency of posts on actual, interesting topics,
2) the inadequacy of posts on actual, interesting topics, and
3) the entire "life sucks, but I'm too lazy to do anything about it, so bite my ass" vibe.

Will I find what I seek in this corner of the Internet, or is this a type thing?

Oh, also, greetings!

~Wolfpine

Your mom whatever you just said!

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

You have no idea - the other day, I saw a thread where the OP was "I'm lost. My life has no meaning, I hate my job." and all the responses were along the lines of, "Yeah, I'm in the same position. Just keep doing your job, and try meditating." or "Yeah, life sucks, as do most of the people on this rock. Nothing you can do."

I mean, I'm just as existentially pained as the next thinker, but is everyone stuck in some perpetual midlife crisis where the only response seems to be to "settle and deal with it"?

It's almost offensive.

I am inclined to agree. They complain but do absolutely nothing about it. The worth of their character is determined by their actions.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Is there some conflict going on over at INTPc or something?

Welcome, btw. The rent is due on the first. I'm sure that won't be a problem, will it?

 

[OrionzRevenge]

Hey Anti-G Tree!

....

I only wish we had more Science and technology threads, but when they appear, they are usually very stimulating too.

So, make yourself at home.

Yeah, this has been a desire of mine as well.

There are more such post over there but most times it's just rolling rubies 'round the razor-backs.

I'm gonna transplant one of my old threads over here and see how it plays.

 

[loveofreason]

I refuse to be grounded. You can try, but you'll probably give up after a few buckets fall through into more sky, and the tree - with its own paradoxical volition - shakes the rest off like a dog just out of water.

I'm inclined now to try, for this sounds an interesting sight, but the strength to hurl such mass eludes me.

Instead...

*takes out thick yellow texta and draws a line across the thread*

An horizon!

*raises dramatic, oriental peaks upon it*

Mountains reach up to thee... a walled garden in the sky! What shall ye do now, oh tangy lupine sylph?

 

[Wolfpine]

I'm inclined now to try, for this sounds an interesting sight, but the strength to hurl such mass eludes me.

Instead...

*takes out thick yellow texta and draws a line across the thread*

An horizon!

*raises dramatic, oriental peaks upon it*

Mountains reach up to thee... a walled garden in the sky! What shall ye do now, oh tangy lupine sylph?

I withdraw into subjective aesthetics, where my world remains mine and yours remains a fictitious idea.

 

[Minuend]

I refuse!

No more of my tax money is going to support this mass immigration!

It is demoralizing our young and upsetting our elders!

 

[crippli]

I'm looking for a community that's NOT full of a hundred bitter, middle-aged, miserable people

lol, nice description. But who screams the loudest is usually who you hear.

3) the entire "life sucks, but I'm too lazy to do anything about it, so bite my ass" vibe.

It's like if I suck, therefore you must suck too. Or even the reason for it.

No idea if you will find what you are looking. I also like the idea of searching.

 

[loveofreason]

I withdraw into subjective aesthetics, where my world remains mine and yours remains a fictitious idea.

ooohhhh.... My personal all-time-favourite evasive tactic. Nice move.

 

[Anthile]

I came to the conclusion that, in fact, we are INTP-Canada and INTPc is INTP-USA. Except we don't really play hockey and we don't have maple syrup. Also, a dangerous lack of oversized bears!

 

[Melkor]

I came to the conclusion that, in fact, we are INTP-Canada and INTPc is INTP-USA. Except we don't really play hockey and we don't have maple syrup. Also, a dangerous lack of oversized bears!

Only that the Candian health system (amongst most other things) is carefully worded so as to deter Americans from even friendly visits, nevermind migration.:P

With that in mind, it's more like the relationhip between Ireland and America.

They leave a filthy wretched mound of earth in favour of some bastardisation of various types (curtesy of Europe) expecting a bountiful and pleasant life, only to see scum and villiany aplenty and too much drink to be good for anyone.

 

[Jennywocky]

You have no idea - the other day, I saw a thread where the OP was "I'm lost. My life has no meaning, I hate my job." and all the responses were along the lines of, "Yeah, I'm in the same position. Just keep doing your job, and try meditating." or "Yeah, life sucks, as do most of the people on this rock. Nothing you can do."

I mean, I'm just as existentially pained as the next thinker, but is everyone stuck in some perpetual midlife crisis where the only response seems to be to "settle and deal with it"?

It's almost offensive.

I think it depends on the specifics of your situation.

There are some things where our expectations are unrealistic and we need to change ourselves.

There are some things where it's more a "fake it til you make it" thing, so you just keep doing it until it feels better.

But, finally, there are life situations where basically you've gotten yourself stuck in a dead end, and the only way out is to trash what you've built and start over.

You might be busting on INTPc, and I think now it's just a former shadow of what it was a few years ago; but it was the first place where I got myself to a point of realizing I needed to dump things and start over. I was tired of pretending, and I ended up posting something in the popular "I am a failure and a fuckup" thread where I basically drew back the curtain from a life everyone else saw as successful and exposed how I really felt about it... and the response I got (where people were kind of shocked but saw my self-expression as authentic) encouraged me to move forward and start making CHANGES to my life instead of just being trapped in constant misery.

Once your life is calcified, non-destructive change might be unavoidable; but you have to believe that after you've lost lots of things you valued, you will be able to rebuild and be happier than you were. It still comes down to autonomy, tradeoffs, vision, and willingness to endure hardship without promises of success -- but if you're miserable, you're ALREADY doing that, so...?

Another thing about INTPc and INTPf is that I see INTPf as more heavily N-oriented than INTPc, which I think includes a lot of INTPs with marginal N or even ISTPs who have mislabeled themselves. ISTP carries a heavy anti-establishment, jaded Ni perspective with it, at least in young ISTPs.

 

[SpaceYeti]

You have no idea - the other day, I saw a thread where the OP was "I'm lost. My life has no meaning, I hate my job." and all the responses were along the lines of, "Yeah, I'm in the same position. Just keep doing your job, and try meditating." or "Yeah, life sucks, as do most of the people on this rock. Nothing you can do."

I mean, I'm just as existentially pained as the next thinker, but is everyone stuck in some perpetual midlife crisis where the only response seems to be to "settle and deal with it"?

It's almost offensive.

Well, life does suck, but not as bad as those guys make it out to. Grow some balls and don't bitch, and find a hobby to keep you happy. It's not really difficult to live a happy life.

 

[PINT]

Life is fun! But only when I make my own decisions about what to do with every moment.

A technique that helps me is to think of authority figures as dangerous mental retards whose only talent is acting. They act like they know what they're talking about, but they really truly don't.

 

[stig]

Wolfpine? Hmm... no bells are going off. Welcome, oh evil practicer of the dark arts.

 

[JoeJoe]

We should make an INTPcentral subforum where all the INTPs seeking refuge can go without annoying the hell out of us good ol' INTPforumers...

Oh and also an Introit-board specifically for INTPcentrals... Then they don't all have to say: "Hey, I was on INTPc before..." It would save a lot of reading time and energy...

 

[stig]

We should make an INTPcentral subforum where all the INTPs seeking refuge can go without annoying the hell out of us good ol' INTPforumers...

Oh and also an Introit-board specifically for INTPcentrals... Then they don't all have to say: "Hey, I was on INTPc before..." It would save a lot of reading time and energy...

It's an interesting phenomena, you must admit. I'm perplexed.

 

[Wolfpine]

I don't hate INTPc, it was just frankly boring me. Some things are good, but I'm looking for new opportunity.

I think I may have been banned for starting this thread... can anyone else actually go on INTPc? Either their website has been taken down/hacked, or I've been banned.

Huh...

 

[stig]

I don't hate INTPc, it was just frankly boring me. Some things are good, but I'm looking for new opportunity.

I think I may have been banned for starting this thread... can anyone else actually go on INTPc? Either their website has been taken down/hacked, or I've been banned.

Huh...

The fact that you might expect the above speaks volumes. I believe they're moving servers today.

 

[OrionzRevenge]

I think I may have been banned for starting this thread... can anyone else actually go on INTPc? Either their website has been taken down/hacked, or I've been banned.

Huh...

LOL No, Stig is right, it's just down for back-up till tonight.

I believe they're moving servers today.

The fact is the whole witch-hunt thing fizzled out.

When you where banned, Maddy through up a poll and 87% of the folks where opposed. Ferrus and djm got flamed hard, and a troll box against Hustler come up like 45% to 55% against him so...

 

[CoryJames]

This is getting ridiculous.

 

[Claverhouse]

We should make an INTPcentral subforum where all the INTPs seeking refuge can go without annoying the hell out of us good ol' INTPforumers...

Oh and also an Introit-board specifically for INTPcentrals... Then they don't all have to say: "Hey, I was on INTPc before..." It would save a lot of reading time and energy...

Both good ideas, which seem a little ambitious, considering the comparatively few members of that organisation who have jumped ship. However I am not unsympathetic. I just can't imagine what the last could be called, though, without it seeming like an ex-convicts' rehabilation centre...

In any case, as I stressed once before*, we maintain excellent fraternal relationships with central, and would never dream of openly insulting them in any way.
​

Claverhouse



* Stress


( Internal links set off the AME system... )

 

[Nocturne]

Hmmm... I feel exactly the same way. It seems like when I look at threads an posts, I feel rather in-adequate in my "post-writing" But really I think this is a normal sense/feeling that occupies all personaliy types. Maybe its' effect is more intense for INTP's.

 

[Jennywocky]

The fact that you might expect the above speaks volumes. I believe they're moving servers today.

Yes, TypoC and INTPc are moving servers, and apparently it's taking awhile to accomplish the migration / DNS name update.

When you where banned, Maddy through up a poll and 87% of the folks where opposed. Ferrus and djm got flamed hard, and a troll box against Hustler come up like 45% to 55% against him so...

Yeah, that was kind of amusing... although I didn't get the impression they were flustered about it. I think they dead-wooded a handful they wanted to, and were just playing the rest by ear the whole time.

Hustler certainly wasn't fazed out by having a troll box thrown up, nor will he ever get banned. I mean, it's happened before, on and off, for 4-5 years or more. Nothing's gonna change there. I just think the forum quality hasn't really improved since they banned some people. Their next move should be to dump the High IQ forum and make everyone contribute to the main forum again, if they want to have any decent thread content to attract newcomers.

 

[OrionzRevenge]

Yeah, that was kind of amusing... although I didn't get the impression they were flustered about it. I think they dead-wooded a handful they wanted to, and were just playing the rest by ear the whole time.

Hustler certainly wasn't fazed out by having a troll box thrown up, nor will he ever get banned. I mean, it's happened before, on and off, for 4-5 years or more. Nothing's gonna change there. I just think the forum quality hasn't really improved since they banned some people. Their next move should be to dump the High IQ forum and make everyone contribute to the main forum again, if they want to have any decent thread content to attract newcomers.

Yes, I agree completely.
My main point in posting was to inform those banned and unaware of the events in the hunt's wake.

I don't personally blame djm and Ferrus as it was big H's baby from the get go.

I do however understand the outrage and the seemingly intuitive obliviousness of theirs, in appearing to revel in the hunt, would make them targets of the back-lash. (after all, you can't bitch at the owner who lets us play there)

Those aware of INTPc's politics know Hustler is a fixture for good or ill. However, the troll box results might help inform any move to nix the High IQ club and lets everyone know the mind-set of the membership as per Hustler's attitudes and advocacy.

 

[Fukyo]

Those aware of INTPc's politics know Hustler is a fixture for good or ill. However, the troll box results might help inform any move to nix the High IQ club and lets everyone know the mind-set of the membership as per Hustler's attitudes and advocacy.

Why does he have such status?

 

[Solitaire U.]

Why does he have such status?

Because self-professed online poker gurus -cum- legion of prick-dom advocates have massive curb appeal...would be my guess.

 

[Claverhouse]

Why does he have such status?

Prolly because I appointed him.





Claverhouse

 

[OrionzRevenge]

Why does he have such status?

Well, he is a former Admin for starters, and giving the old cus his due, he is an exceptionally intelligent man (most often if he personally body slams a member it is because they have just posted something very irrational) and a catalyst for many of the conversations that occur.

He is also of a mind that posters should fit a very narrow criteria of INTPish-ness if they are to be allowed to post.

**Maybe as a cautionary tale for a younger fourm**

INTPs, as you know, are very nostalgic critters. If a book once edified or inspired us we wish it to remain on our bookshelf collecting dust forever with the seemingly irrational notion that if it was once important to us... it will be so in the future.

So too, some of the elder members of INTPc revel in the good ole days when every idea and member was fresh and new. They have a subjective view of their former forum life due to nostalgia's rosy lens.

They have grown weary of new members all full of meta asking the same questions and re-submitting the same ideas for conversation.

Many of the elder members obviously bell-hop a lot of baggage amongst themselves due to the various flame wars of the past.

Further, they have convinced themselves that n00bish exuberance and post that deviate from the 'true path' are a threat to forum health.

Albeit their numbers are small, they are very vocal about their views, and being elder, they are influential. Thus, often a promising new member gets ridiculed and it stifles his forum rapport because most members do not want to bring this same sort of attention upon themselves.

It is my opinion that it is their nostalgic foibles and jadedness that stifles interesting dialogue and leads to the issues they attribute to others while they grind up the seed corn for bitter bread.

Recent events outside the forum proper ( along with the above noted) lead to many of the membership to become slack in posting and n00bs could freely fill this void.

The absence of the regular membership was once again attributed to n00bs and non-INTPs by Hustler and the aforementioned group. Unfortunately for the forum, the owner was convinced that they were correct.

In all candor, I still feel more at home over their than I do here and I'm hopeful the recent experience will inform the future for the better.

 

[Cbug]

I'm here from INTPc too ^.^ but I'm not bitter, middle-aged or miserable.

Mostly because I'm bored since INTPc is down and all... although I might stick around and be generous enough to spread some of my awesomeness around

I dunno if Hustler has as much power as everyone thinks he does. Anyway I like poking him to see how he'll react; and he is the perfect candidate to stubbornly argue some trivial point with. How could one take him seriously?? Haha, he is like some kinda ultra-parody.

 

[crippli]

Why does he have such status?

Please. Don't make this about him. This is about us, the witches. I'd hate to see him get the limelight for this too.

 

[OrionzRevenge]

...

I dunno if Hustler has as much power as everyone thinks he does. Anyway I like poking him to see how he'll react; and he is the perfect candidate to stubbornly argue some trivial point with. How could one take him seriously?? Haha, he is like some kinda ultra-parody.

This is what I ask myself every time they do.

However, The creation of the aforementioned High IQ Club clearly demonstrates that he wields much influence. ....so

 

[Architectonic]

Prolly because I appointed him.

Do you have any regrets?

 

[Cbug]

Please. Don't make this about him. This is about us, the witches. I'd hate to see him get the limelight for this too.

Cripple?? Why are you acting so unusually normal here? I demand more of your weirdness!!

This is what I ask myself every time they do.

However, The creation of the aforementioned High IQ Club clearly demonstrates that he wields much influence. ....so

Ugh, I know. It's so very strange. But it's also funny because the subforum is completely useless - activity there is just about nil.

 

[Claverhouse]

Do you have any regrets?

Not in the least. Consider it a parting gift.






Claverhouse

 

[crippli]

Cripple?? Why are you acting so unusually normal here? I demand more of your weirdness!!

I got burned. It sucks to spend so much time at a place to have it taken away just like that.

Besides. Don't have a reason to be weird here. Everything is fine. My account template is okay, usable(wasn't for a long time over there). No sockpuppets stalking. No group conspiracies. This place seems more include instead of exclude-or neutral, so I think it's healthier. A lot more actually.

 

[Architectonic]

Not in the least. Consider it a parting gift.

Indeed.

 

[cheese]

Hustler's brilliant? He never struck me as particularly intelligent - not necessarily dumb or average, just averagely intelligent. Most of the prominent members seem pretty smart, or at least opinionated, which often passes for the same thing.

 

[Cbug]

I got burned. It sucks to spend so much time at a place to have it taken away just like that.

Besides. Don't have a reason to be weird here. Everything is fine. My account template is okay, usable(wasn't for a long time over there). No sockpuppets stalking. No group conspiracies. This place seems more include instead of exclude-or neutral, so I think it's healthier. A lot more actually.

hmm it does feel kinda comfy here... idk why

Maybe it was a good thing you were banned then

 

[crippli]

hmm it does feel kinda comfy here... idk why

Maybe it was a good thing you were banned then

Idk. I suppose it's like getting raped. I think the good thing is to avoid this happening. I'm still trying to find out if I dressed too provocative. And I suppose, if that's it, do it less. Wasn't fun. And especially not when it happens by family.

Maybe one just needs to be more careful walking around alone in the dark.

This place have less of an SJ tone. More NP. Less gangs. No blogs, no rep comments. Ironically I think this is the place how Husler envisions intpc to be.

 

[Claverhouse]

Idk. I suppose it's like getting raped. I think the good thing is to avoid this happening.

Whilst more than welcome, a good way to avoid banning here is to avoid trivialising hyperbole... Offensiveness is ok, but annoyingness is not.






Claverhouse

 

[Jennywocky]

I dunno if Hustler has as much power as everyone thinks he does. Anyway I like poking him to see how he'll react; and he is the perfect candidate to stubbornly argue some trivial point with. How could one take him seriously?? Haha, he is like some kinda ultra-parody.

The thing with Hustler is that he's as much a showman as anything else. At the times he sounds aggressive and mean, he's also tongue-in-cheek at the same time; he enjoys the hunt/combat. His arguments are less about rationally viewing all sides to reach the best view and more about just trying win the point and stop the opponent's arguments in their tracks... He's frustrating to debate due to his using as much tactical manuevering instead of global strategy. Shutting down the opponent is more important than reassessing and making better opinions. I usually don't bother, except to work on my debate skillz... because even if you catch him in something, he'll just pull a "No, you didn't -- nuh uh!" maneuver and just step out of it.

This place have less of an SJ tone. More NP. Less gangs. No blogs, no rep comments. Ironically I think this is the place how Husler envisions intpc to be.

I honestly doubt that, at least in the tone of this place. It's too NP, not T enough overall. He'd probably say it reminded him too much of INFPgc, although I don't think that comparison is true.

 

[crippli]

Whilst more than welcome, a good way to avoid banning here is to avoid trivialising hyperbole... Offensiveness is ok, but annoyingness is not.

*noted*

I tried to find another word. I meant mentally. Didn't know how else to describe this as an analogy.

And it's just my perspective. And I'm prolly far to biased to make an accurate judgment on the situation, as being in the soup and overreacting and all that.

In any case I'm kinda happy this thing didn't seem to work out as predicted. I should leave it at that. Yea. Agreed.