Pod'Lair review

[Lyra]

From the Pod'Lair Sourcebook:

Five Gears of Mojo Reading - Physiological Cues

1. Gear One – Focuses on the individual anatomical parts that manifest the eight Pod Powers. This is the most component way of reading, and follows the first position of the Understanding Continuum.

2. Gear Two – Focuses on combinations of eight Pod Powers into Energy Fields. This is the Concrete way of reading, and follows the second position of the Understanding Continuum.

3. Gear Three – Focuses on actual Cognitive Configuration designs, of which there are 16, this is the tacit way of reading, and follows the third position of the Understanding Continuum.

4. Gear Four – Focuses on developmental riff categories of the Mojo designs. This is an Artistic way of reading, and follows the forth position of the Understanding Continuum.

5. Gear Five – Concerns itself with self-mastery and what kind of signals an individual uniquely gives off, and receives. This approach involves you being aware of your state of being as you read, and you as the reading instrument. This is a Spiritual way of reading, and follows the fifth position of the Understanding Continuum.

Areas of Mojo Reading: Mouth, Cheeks, Eyes, Head, Voice, Shoulders, Carriage, Gesturing, Stance, Gait

Gear One

- Agenda: Eyes Disengaging and looking to the left, Eyes Narrowing, Left Head-tilt.

-Nai: Disengaging with eyes drifting to the left (dreamy quality), Eyes Narrowing with Cunning Signal, Left Head-tilt.

-Vai: Eyes Disengaging and checking to the left (concrete quality), Eyes Narrowing with Concerned Signal, Left Head-tilt.

-Articulator: Articulation, Jutting forward, Active Listening.

-Xyy: Warm Articulation (Butter and Baleful), aware expression, Warm Jutting forward, Warm Active Listening.

-Zyy: Cool Articulation, Cool Jutting Forward (Anvil), Cool Active Listening (Anvil).

-Resonator: Eyes Disengaging and looking to the Right, Resonation on the right, Right Head-Tilts, Right Shrugs, Right Rictuses, Right Grimaces.

-Zai: Eyes Disengaging and checking to the Right (tactical quality), Cool Resonation on the right with neutralizing of expression (Stoneface), face holding, Right Head-Tilt with cooling, Right Shrugs, Right Rictuses, Right Grimaces.

-Xai: Eyes Disengaging and checking to the Right (dreamy quality), Warm Resonation on the right with unaware expression, face, Right Head-Tilt with warming, Right Shrugs, Right Rictuses, Right Grimaces.

-Register: Perk-Up, Carriage

-Vyy: Perk-Up with Laser Eyes, Carriage Lift, Drinking in environment with Laser Eyes, Shimmy.

-Nyy: Perk-Up with Dancing Eyes, Carriage Lift, Drinking in environment with Dancing Eyes, Bobble.

-Emotive Quality: Warming of Emotive Expression.

-Xyy: Aware Expression.

-Xai: Unaware Expression.

 

[BigApplePi]

@Lyra

Those are the basic 1st gear ones, yes. Also leaning to the right or left, or tilting the head-- but that can get a little more to do with higher gear signals. Also right and left rictus etc. (contortions of the mouth) in combination with the same kinds of signals for the eye-checks (or warming, for Xyy).

Spider hands also falls under Yang vs. Yin gesturing etc., and the very obvious/testable patterns there.

I guess the obvious next step (as you said) would be to apply what you've learned from that video in Reading, and to work through the other gear videos on MRR.

That message you just wrote is a good one and applies to 1st gear. For those reading your message later, I have to wince when you use the word, "obvious" to an INTP crowd. "Obvious" is a subjective term and requires a context the reader may not know. That I say this is not important. That you optimize your communcation could be.

 

[Lyra]

Gear Two

-Adaptive/Directive – Yang and Yin Gesturing

-Adaptive: - Adaptive Momentum, Innate State Yin Gesturing, and Altered State Yang Gesturing.

-Directive: Directive Momentum, Innate State Yang Gesturing, and Altered State Yin Gesturing.

-Objective/Subjective – Hooded or Unhooded eyes, Objective and Subjective Power Accessing.

-Objective: Unhooded eyes, Innate State Extroverting, Altered State Introverting (Going under water look).

-Subjective: Hooded eyes, Innate State Introverting (Going home look), Altered State Extroverting.

-Lead-Perception/Lead-Discernment – Bifield Face/Unifield Face and Psychic Bandit

-Lead-Perception - Bifield Face, and Psychic Bandit look.

-Lead-Discernment – Unifield Face, Warming or Cooling overtakes the eyes.

-Literal/Interpretive – First Conversation and Second Conversation, Concretizing and Contextualizing.

-Literal – Innate State Concretizing and Altered State Contextualizing, Innate State First Conversation and Altered State Second conversation, Secured Signal.

-Interpretive – Innate State Contextualizing and Altered State Concretizing, Innate State Second Conversation and Altered State First Conversation, Syncopated Signal.

-Logic-Based/Values-Based – Cooling Readiness vs Warming Readiness.

-Logic-Based – Innate State Cooling, Altered State Warming (does not readily pass the midline)

-Values-Based - Innate State Warming (Readily passes the midline), Altered State Cooling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtiCTzaPCxE

 

[Lyra]

@BigApplePi shut the fuck up. If you have something to say, don't direct it at me. I'm not interested.

Gear Three
Pod Power Distinct Signals

-Vyy Amped - Vyy (**) doesn’t get starved, since everything is so stimulating. There are ample things in the environment with which to interact, and with Vyy (**) one has ample energy to do so. The amped signal can manifest as alertness, a readiness to engage and experience the environment. One seems brimming with energy, which is distinct from the other seven powers and thus they perceive Vyy (**) as amped.

-Vai Concern - A constant worry that others or they themselves have forgotten previously recorded information, which leads to a consistent call to remember. Vai (\\) keeps checking for the memories and the concern is alleviated but never goes away, because there is always something else that they or others may have forgotten. There is also a worry of the potential for disinformation that stems from incorrect memories, and therefore regular checks are performed in order to ensure the fidelity of the historical information stored by Vai (\\).

-Zyy Bracing - Zyy (#) advances forward using the language of bracingness, seeking to attain maximum strength and impact in every decision. It approaches decision-making in a structured manner (beginning, middle, end) and defines the worth of a System or its components by its relative or absolute rank to other Systems or their components.

-Zai Unflappable - Zai (=) has an uninvested quality to its functionality, which gives its distinct signal of unflappability. When Zai (=) is impacted with information, it merely shakes off the irrelevant information and only focuses what logically matters. Zai (=) also approaches the situation at hand in a purely impersonal and dispassionate manner, and will resist making any unnecessary reactions due to environmental or emotional stimulus.

-Xyy Caring - With a supreme sense of personal connection and warm communication, an energy of empathetic composure will radiate from Xyy (:+ alphas.

-Xai Poignancy - There is a deep emotional beauty to harmony and hope, and Xai (@) is constantly being hit by the aspects in the world that are not harmonious. These impingements rock Xai to the core, as they are touching the sacred resources from where Xai gets its lifeforce. This causes Poignancy to well up in Xai (@), leading to a deep need to span that gulf and make the impingements go away. There is a great amount of inner energy generated when this acute anguish is felt, which compels one to do superhuman things to re-establish the harmony of the world.

-Nyy Buoyancy - Those with Nyy (??) are characterized by buoyancy due to optimism, enthusiasm, and an abundance of mental energy, being fed by an inexhaustible supply of incoming ideas and possibilities. Nyy (??) resists being weighed down and is undaunted by the prospect of change; its creative resourcefulness presents options previously unseen and makes what is heavy seem light.

-Nai Dissatisfaction - With Nai (//) there is distinct signal of Dissatisfaction, in a more profound and less surface understanding, that stems from various factors: One of them is noting that others are not detaching, thus not seeing the larger scope of perception, but nevertheless thinking and operating as if they do. This is compounded by Nai’s (//) inability to demonstrate concretely the truth that other’s constrained perception is not seeing. Another factor is that Nai’s (//) visionary drive to follow trails makes requests from the psyche that seem far- fetched, yet are presented as unrelenting and uncompromising quests. A third factor is that the loss of fidelity of the vision once articulated by the Apparatus itself leads to dissatisfaction at its own performance.

Mojo Distinct Signals
- Vyy’zai Distinct Signal: Amped Infused with Unflappability.
-Vyy’xai Distinct Signal: Amped infused with Poignancy.
-Vai’zyy Distinct Signal: Concern infused with Bracing.
-Vai’xyy Distinct Signal: Concern infused with Caring.
-Zyy’vai Distinct Signal: Bracing infused with Concern.
-Zyy’nai Distinct Signal: Bracing infused with Dissatisfaction.
-Zai’vyy Distinct Signal: Unflappability infused with Amped.
-Zai’nyy Distinct Signal: Unflappability infused with Buoyancy.
-Xyy’vai Distinct Signal: Caring infused with Concern.
-Xyy’nai Distinct Signal: Caring infused with Dissatisfaction.
-Xai’vyy Distinct Signal: Poignancy infused with Amped.
-Xai’nyy Distinct Signal: Poignancy infused with Buoyancy.
- Nyy’zai Distinct Signal: Buoyancy infused with Unflappability.
-Nyy’xai Distinct Signal: Buoyancy infused with Poignancy.
- Nai’zyy Distinct Signal: Dissatisfaction infused with Bracing.
-Nai’xyy Distinct Signal: Dissatisfaction infused with Caring.

Conflagration of Cues:

-Vyy’zai Conflagration of Cues:
o Vyy - Laser Eyes, Shimmy.
o Zai - Cool Resonation on the right, Stoneface.
o Xyy – Warm Articulation, Aware Expression.
o Nai – Cunning disengaging on the left.
o Adaptive – Adaptive Momentum, Innate State Yin Gesturing, and Altered State Yang Gesturing.
o Objective - Unhooded eyes, Innate State Extroverting, Altered State Introverting (Going under water look).
o Lead Perciever - Bifield Face, and Psychic Bandit look, cooling doesn’t readily go into the eyes.
o Literal - Innate State Concretizing and Altered State Contextualizing, Innate State First Conversation and Altered State Second conversation, Secured Signal.
o Logic Based - Innate State Cooling, Altered State Warming, Warming does not readily pass the midline.
o Distinct Signal - Amped Infused with Unflappability.

-Vyy’xai Conflagration of Cues:
o Vyy - Laser Eyes, Shimmy.
o Xai – Warm Resonation on the right, Unaware Expression.
o Zyy – Cool Articulation, Anvil.
o Nai – Cunning disengaging on the left.
o Adaptive – Adaptive Momentum, Innate State Yin Gesturing, and Altered State Yang Gesturing.
o Objective - Unhooded eyes, Innate State Extroverting, Altered State Introverting (Going under water look).
o Lead Perciever - Bifield Face, and Psychic Bandit look, warming doesn’t readily go into the eyes.
o Literal - Innate State Concretizing and Altered State Contextualizing, Innate State First Conversation and Altered State Second conversation, Secured Signal.
o Values-Based - Innate State Warming, Altered State Cooling, Warming readily passes the midline.
o Distinct Signal - Amped Infused with Poignancy.

-Vai’zyy Conflagration of Cues:
o Vai – Concerned Disengaging on the Left.
o Zyy – Cool Articulation, Anvil.
o Xai – Warm Resonation on the right, Unaware Expression.
o Nyy – Dancing Eyes, Bobble.
o Directive – Directive Momentum, Innate State Yang Gesturing, and Altered State Yin Gesturing.
o Subjective - Hooded eyes, Innate State Introverting (Going home look), Altered State Extroverting.
o Lead Perciever - Bifield Face, and Psychic Bandit look, cooling doesn’t readily go into the eyes.
o Literal - Innate State Concretizing and Altered State Contextualizing, Innate State First Conversation and Altered State Second conversation, Secured Signal.
o Logic Based - Innate State Cooling, Altered State Warming, Warming does not readily pass the midline.
o Distinct Signal - Concern infused with Bracing.

-Vai’xyy Conflagration of Cues:
o Vai – Concerned Disengaging on the Left.
o Xyy – Warm Articulation, Aware Expression.
o Zai - Cool Resonation on the right, Stoneface.
o Nyy – Dancing Eyes, Bobble.
o Directive – Directive Momentum, Innate State Yang Gesturing, and Altered State Yin Gesturing.
o Subjective - Hooded eyes, Innate State Introverting (Going home look), Altered State Extroverting.
o Lead Perciever - Bifield Face, and Psychic Bandit look, warmingling doesn’t readily go into the eyes.
o Literal - Innate State Concretizing and Altered State Contextualizing, Innate State First Conversation and Altered State Second conversation, Secured Signal.
o Values-Based - Innate State Warming, Altered State Cooling, Warming readily passes the midline.
o Distinct Signal - Concern infused with Caring.

-Zyy’vai Conflagration of Cues:
o Zyy – Cool Articulation, Anvil.
o Vai – Concerned Disengaging on the Left.
o Nyy – Dancing Eyes, Bobble.
o Xai – Warm Resonation on the right, Unaware Expression.
o Directive – Directive Momentum, Innate State Yang Gesturing, and Altered State Yin Gesturing.
o Objective - Unhooded eyes, Innate State Extroverting, Altered State Introverting (Going under water look).
o Lead Discerner - Unifield Face, Warming or Cooling overtakes the eyes.
o Literal - Innate State Concretizing and Altered State Contextualizing, Innate State First Conversation and Altered State Second conversation, Secured Signal.
o Logic Based - Innate State Cooling, Altered State Warming, Warming does not readily pass the midline.
o Distinct Signal – Bracing infused with Concern.

-Zyy’nai Conflagration of Cues:
o Zyy – Cool Articulation, Anvil.
o Nai – Cunning disengaging on the left.
o Vyy - Laser Eyes, Shimmy.
o Xai – Warm Resonation on the right, Unaware Expression.
o Directive – Directive Momentum, Innate State Yang Gesturing, and Altered State Yin Gesturing.
o Objective - Unhooded eyes, Innate State Extroverting, Altered State Introverting (Going under water look).
o Lead Discerner - Unifield Face, Warming or Cooling overtakes the eyes.
o Interpretive - Innate State Contextualizing and Altered State Concretizing, Innate State Second Conversation and Altered State First Conversation, Syncopated Signal.
-Logic Based - Innate State Cooling, Altered State Warming, Warming does not readily pass the midline.
o Distinct Signal – Bracing infused with Dissatisfaction

-Zai’vyy Conflagration of Cues:
o Zai - Cool Resonation on the right, Stoneface.
o Vyy - Laser Eyes, Shimmy.
o Nai – Cunning disengaging on the left.
o Xyy – Warm Articulation, Aware Expression.
o Adaptive – Adaptive Momentum, Innate State Yin Gesturing, and Altered State Yang Gesturing.
o Subjective - Hooded eyes, Innate State Introverting (Going home look), Altered State Extroverting.
o Lead Discerner - Unifield Face, Warming or Cooling overtakes the eyes.
o Literal - Innate State Concretizing and Altered State Contextualizing, Innate State First Conversation and Altered State Second conversation, Secured Signal.
o Logic Based - Innate State Cooling, Altered State Warming, warming does not readily pass the midline.
o Distinct Signal - Unflappability infused with Amped.

-Zai’nyy Conflagration of Cues:
o Zai - Cool Resonation on the right, Stoneface.
o Nyy – Dancing Eyes, Bobble.
o Vai – Concerned Disengaging on the Left.
o Xyy – Warm Articulation, Aware Expression.
o Adaptive – Adaptive Momentum, Innate State Yin Gesturing, and Altered State Yang Gesturing.
o Subjective - Hooded eyes, Innate State Introverting (Going home look), Altered State Extroverting.
o Lead Discerner - Unifield Face, Warming or Cooling overtakes the eyes.
o Interpretive - Innate State Contextualizing and Altered State Concretizing, Innate State Second Conversation and Altered State First Conversation, Syncopated Signal.
o Logic Based - Innate State Cooling, Altered State Warming, warming does not readily pass the midline.
o Distinct Signal - Unflappability infused with Buoyancy.

- Xyy’vai Conflagration of Cues:
o Xyy – Warm Articulation, Aware Expression.
o Vai – Concerned Disengaging on the Left.
o Objective - Unhooded eyes, Innate State Extroverting, Altered State Introverting (Going under water look).
o Lead Discerner - Unifield Face, Warming or Cooling overtakes the eyes.
o Literal - Innate State Concretizing and Altered State Contextualizing, Innate State First Conversation and Altered State Second conversation, Secured Signal.
o Values-Based - Innate State Warming, Altered State Cooling, Warming readily passes the midline.
o Distinct Signal – Caring infused with Concern.

-Xyy’nai Conflagration of Cues:
o Xyy – Warm Articulation, Aware Expression.
o Nai – Cunning disengaging on the left.
o Vyy - Laser Eyes, Shimmy.
o Zai - Cool Resonation on the right, Stoneface.
o Directive – Directive Momentum, Innate State Yang Gesturing, and Altered State Yin Gesturing.
o Objective - Unhooded eyes, Innate State Extroverting, Altered State Introverting (Going under water look).
o Lead Discerner - Unifield Face, Warming or Cooling overtakes the eyes.
o Interpretive - Innate State Contextualizing and Altered State Concretizing, Innate State Second Conversation and Altered State First Conversation, Syncopated Signal.
o Values-Based - Innate State Warming, Altered State Cooling, Warming readily passes the midline.
o Distinct Signal – Caring infused with Dissatisfied.
o Nyy – Dancing Eyes, Bobble.
o Zai - Cool Resonation on the right, Stoneface.
o Directive – Directive Momentum, Innate State Yang Gesturing, and Altered State Yin Gesturing.

-Xai’vyy Conflagration of Cues:
o Xai – Warm Resonation on the right, Unaware Expression.
o Vyy - Laser Eyes, Shimmy.
o Nai – Cunning disengaging on the left.
o Zyy – Cool Articulation, Anvil.
o Adaptive – Adaptive Momentum, Innate State Yin Gesturing, and Altered State Yang Gesturing.
o Subjective - Hooded eyes, Innate State Introverting (Going home look), Altered State Extroverting.
o Lead Discerner - Unifield Face, Warming or Cooling overtakes the eyes.
o Literal - Innate State Concretizing and Altered State Contextualizing, Innate State First Conversation and Altered State Second conversation, Secured Signal.
o Values-Based - Innate State Warming, Altered State Cooling, Warming readily passes the midline.
o Distinct Signal - Poignancy infused with Amped.

- Xai’nyy Conflagration of Cues:
o Xai – Warm Resonation on the right, Unaware Expression.
o Nyy – Dancing Eyes, Bobble.
o Vai – Concerned Disengaging on the Left.
o Zyy – Cool Articulation, Anvil.
o Adaptive – Adaptive Momentum, Innate State Yin Gesturing, and Altered State Yang Gesturing.
o Subjective - Hooded eyes, Innate State Introverting (Going home look), Altered State Extroverting.
o Lead Discerner - Unifield Face, Warming or Cooling overtakes the eyes.
o Interpretive - Innate State Contextualizing and Altered State Concretizing, Innate State Second Conversation and Altered State First Conversation, Syncopated Signal.
o Values-Based - Innate State Warming, Altered State Cooling, Warming readily passes the midline.
o Distinct Signal - Poignancy infused with Buoyancy.

-Nyy’zai Conflagration of Cues:
o Nyy – Dancing Eyes, Bobble.
o Zai - Cool Resonation on the right, Stoneface.
o Xyy – Warm Articulation, Aware Expression.
o Vai – Concerned Disengaging on the Left.
o Adaptive – Adaptive Momentum, Innate State Yin Gesturing, and Altered State Yang Gesturing.
o Objective - Unhooded eyes, Innate State Extroverting, Altered State Introverting (Going under water look).
o Lead Perciever - Bifield Face, and Psychic Bandit look, warming or cooling doesn’t readily go into the eyes.
o Interpretive - Innate State Contextualizing and Altered State Concretizing, Innate State Second Conversation and Altered State First Conversation, Syncopated Signal.
o Logic Based - Innate State Cooling, Altered State Warming, warming does not readily pass the midline.
o Distinct Signal - Buoyancy infused with Unflappability.

-Nyy’xai Conflagration of Cues:
o Nyy – Dancing Eyes, Bobble.
o Xai – Warm Resonation on the right, Unaware Expression.
o Zyy – Cool Articulation, Anvil.
o Vai – Concerned Disengaging on the Left.
o Adaptive – Adaptive Momentum, Innate State Yin Gesturing, and Altered State Yang Gesturing.
o Objective - Unhooded eyes, Innate State Extroverting, Altered State Introverting (Going under water look).
o Lead Perciever - Bifield Face, and Psychic Bandit look, warming or cooling doesn’t readily go into the eyes.
o Interpretive - Innate State Contextualizing and Altered State Concretizing, Innate State Second Conversation and Altered State First Conversation, Syncopated Signal.
o Values-Based - Innate State Warming, Altered State Cooling, Warming readily passes the midline.
o Distinct Signal - Buoyancy infused with Poignancy.

- Nai’zyy Conflagration of Cues:
o Nai – Cunning disengaging on the left.
o Zyy – Cool Articulation, Anvil.
o Xai – Warm Resonation on the right, Unaware Expression.
o Vyy - Laser Eyes, Shimmy.
o Directive – Directive Momentum, Innate State Yang Gesturing, and Altered State Yin Gesturing.
o Subjective - Hooded eyes, Innate State Introverting (Going home look), Altered State Extroverting.
o Lead Perciever - Bifield Face, and Psychic Bandit look, cooling doesn’t readily go into the eyes.
o Interpretive - Innate State Contextualizing and Altered State Concretizing, Innate State Second Conversation and Altered State First Conversation, Syncopated Signal.
o Logic Based - Innate State Cooling, Altered State Warming, Warming does not readily pass the midline.
o Distinct Signal - Dissatisfied infused with Bracing.

-Nai’xyy Conflagration of Cues:
o Nai – Cunning disengaging on the left.
o Xyy – Warm Articulation, Aware Expression.
o Zai - Cool Resonation on the right, Stoneface.
o Vyy - Laser Eyes, Shimmy.
o Directive – Directive Momentum, Innate State Yang Gesturing, and Altered State Yin Gesturing.
o Subjective - Hooded eyes, Innate State Introverting (Going home look), Altered State Extroverting.
o Lead Perciever - Bifield Face, and Psychic Bandit look, cooling doesn’t readily go into the eyes.
o Interpretive - Innate State Contextualizing and Altered State Concretizing, Innate State Second Conversation and Altered State First Conversation, Syncopated Signal.
o Values-Based - Innate State Warming, Altered State Cooling, Warming readily passes the midline.
o Distinct Signal - Dissatisfied infused with Caring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lnAqQyfrL0

 

[Lyra]

Gear Four: Riffing
-Physiological – This is when a Riff is categorized based on unique physiological structures that can be seen as a reoccurring motif in a particular Mojo. Sometimes physiological riffs can go as far as an entire face or body, as sometimes there are as small as just a jaw of eyes.
-Movement - This is when a Riff is categorized based on a reoccurring unique way that a particular Mojo sometimes moves, such as the way they walk, gesture, sway their head and body, etc.
-Vibe – Refers to reoccurring patterns within a particular Mojo that come from the energy they give off, from how they are using their Peak Pathway. Two or more of the same Mojo can use their Pod Powers to have similar gamestyles, which causes them to give off the same or similar vibe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcWcxSd0YTc

@Da Blob I've always thought you were a stupid pompous fuck. Now's the perfect opportunity to tell you.

 

[Architect]

Nice work Architect. Now that information can be checked out. When you say you will practice reading, do you mean in your personal life or Pod'Lair videos?

Actually we're trying it personally (people we know) and public figures we've discussed. For example, PJ Harvey as a suspected is INFJ

PJ

She constantly drifts to the left (Ni)
Occasionally directed look to the right (Ti)
A lot of warm articulation and leaning forward (Fe)

@Lyra, thanks for the Sourcebook links.

 

[Lyra]

@Architect I think I agree with you on Harvey. Slight 4th gear Florence Welch (//( :+: )). Will check later and with the team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rULAJGn4BF4

 

[Da Blob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcWcxSd0YTc

@Da Blob I've always thought you were a stupid pompous fuck. Now's the perfect opportunity to tell you.

But then One replies with an adolescent insult, instead of a mature intelligent response to the observation that Pod Lair is just another one of a seemingly unending line of West Coast cults that does nothing but give its members a false sense of superiority by a means of stereotyping and therefore acting with prejudice towards anyone not in the cult.

Oh I can (stereo)type too. There goes a brown one, there goes a yellow one, there goes a black one.

 

[Lyra]

It wasn't an observation. It was a brainsplurge from a stupid brain, provoked by its unfortunate contact with the misconstrued stuff of external reality. A contact occurs, the depths stir and shake and the moronicism rears its barely human head from its former, merciful slumber-- lo and behold forth comes a torrent of stupid words garbling all they seek to process or address.

I give you Da Blob.

 

[Architect]

@Architect I think I agree with you on Harvey. Slight 4th gear Florence Welch (//( :+: )). Will check later and with the team.

Florence Welch, didn't know her, yah, I see it.

 

[InvisibleJim]

shut the fuck up. If you have something to say, don't direct it at me. I'm not interested.

You say this to everyone who questions you.

Who do you think you are?

 

[Da Blob]

It wasn't an observation. It was a brainsplurge from a stupid brain, provoked by its unfortunate contact with the misconstrued stuff of external reality. A contact occurs, the depths stir and shake and the moronicism rears its barely human head from its former, merciful slumber-- lo and behold forth comes a torrent of stupid words garbling all they seek to process or address.

I give you Da Blob.

Once again pointless insults not based in fact, perhaps part of a greater pattern of disorder? Does one also believe that one is the self-appointed Empress of the "Empire of Enlightenment" that Pod Lair claims to be?

BTW- some of this so-called enlightenment is actually just references to standard texts in the field of nonverbal communication. Paul Ekman, B. G. Madonik and a host of other professionals have provided the uncredited foundation.

If one wishes to be taken seriously as an adult, how about addressing the ten points on the list?

 

[Lyra]

Are you seriously fucking serious? You're claiming that we ripped of Ekman? I've studied his work and taken his training. Find me one plagiarism or even relevant commonality you slanderous douche. Only common factors I'm seeing are humans and faces.

Same goes for Madonik. Do your research you addle-brained disgrace to the intellect of man. Yes, I'm just slinging insults, because they're the only feasible response to this degree of inadequacy. You're just one more village idiot who's stumbled through low-grade academia and adopted a totally unjustified pompous bearing and air of ridiculously laughable authority as a consequence.

Fucking Ekman. What next...

 

[Lyra]

You say this to everyone who questions you.

Who do you think you are?

Actually, I don't. Hence this thread.

If you want my standards, refer to the last paragraph of this post.

 

[Da Blob]

Once again childish defense mechanisms employed used to deflect addressing the issues.

BTW - Exactly what are one's own qualifications?

Mine include the University of Chicago,

EDIT: Never mind responding, if one is so sure of being superior to Paul Ekman, then I leave one in the fantasy RPG, The Empire Of Enlightenment.

BTW- enlightenment deals with consciousness, not the stereotyping of people. Empires are built by oppressors.

 

[Lyra]

I'm not deflecting addressing the issues. I've been doing nothing else but address them and explain how conclusions have been reached. What I'm not going to do is pretend that some irrelevant slander brought up by a pompous idiot (with accolades!) who hasn't taken the time to read what's already been presented is 'the issues'.

Fact: you asserted unattributed copying from Ekman. Fact: none has occurred. Fact: you will not be able to prove the former two facts wrong, or present any convincing evidence to the contrary.

Therefore

You are a slanderous douche who doesn't do his research and leans on empty authority to try and prop up his own incompetence.

 

[Da Blob]

I'm not deflecting addressing the issues. I've been doing nothing else but address them and explain how conclusions have been reached. What I'm not going to do is pretend that some irrelevant slander brought up by a pompous idiot (with accolades!) who hasn't taken the time to read what's already been presented is 'the issues'.

Once again, a childish reaction. What I read was decades-old knowledge recycled as a basis for a pseudoscientific cult.

 

[Lyra]

Childish has nothing to do with it. What you are stating is incorrect.

Go through the cues lists I presented above and find me anything written on them, or the 5 gears, before we went public.

(Btw I would rather be childish than whatever the fuck it is you people think is mature. It seems to involve folding to, brown-nosing and eventually ridiculously propping oneself up in terms of accolades and structures and customs which I don't even begin to want anything to do with, despite how easy I find them to play. Whenever I see you all comfortably asserting your credentials as if they mean something, it just convinces me you've got nothing better going on, and had to slog away at that track to feel justified and smart and worthwhile. I could do that sleeping, and I just don't care. As previously stated, I respect accurate apprehension of phenomena as is, now.)

 

[Da Blob]

Childish has nothing to do with it. What you are stating is incorrect.

Go through the cues lists I presented above and find me anything written on them, or the 5 gears, before we went public.

Wrong again!

So how is PodLair not a cult?

How are all of these speculations not mere pseudoscience at best?

How many of the hypotheses are falsifiable?

 

[Lyra]

That has all been dealt with at very great length in this thread and others. Look through my archive, read the threads about Pod'Lair, and then come back with your questions. I'm not repeating it all to you personally just because you're an intellectual incompetent who can't do basic research.

 

[redbaron]

My last 3 girlfriends all earned at least 6x that amount. And I'm an interdimensional alien emissary who scored 100% in every subject in final/national examinations. Let's not patronise one another here.

Holy shit. I'm also an interdimensional alien. I'm a hyperdimensional traveller and an expert in its intricacies. Unfortunately I encountered a mishap while traversing the hyperdimension with a pupil of mine, whose physical body is now deceased. He didn't heed my warnings regarding engaging the inner flux capacitor while his mind was adapting to the hyperdimensional rift. Fortunately I was able to guide his spirit form back through the hyperdimension to safety, but I am left with a new dilemma.

Sadly my physical form cannot leave this world of sycophants and imbeciles, and I am stranded here. I am loathe to give up my physical body at present, as I believe there is merit to be gained in studying the intricacies of the clumsy human brain. Of particular interest is the inherent untapped psychic potential that the human mind has a capacity for.

Pod'Lair is only the start of this power, and I trust you will eventually move beyond it and see the incredible strength of engaging the hyperdimension on a spirit level. 200 years is an eye-blink in relation to the grand schemes I predict will occur. I have achieved immortality in my spirit form, channelling the energy of the hyperdimension at will, but am as yet unable to unlock the power of immortality in any physical form.

I believe that you will eventually be able to achieve the same level of hyperdimensional control and command that I possess @Lyra , and I sincerely hope you do.

@InvisibleJim who are you to laugh at Lyra you sycophant?

 

[Da Blob]

That has all been dealt with at very great length in this thread and others. Look through my archive, read the threads about Pod'Lair, and then come back with your questions. I'm not repeating it all to you personally just because you're an intellectual incompetent who can't do basic research.

Once again childish insults and a refusal to address the issues.

One certainly has a high opinion of one's self, is there anything in reality that would justify this conceit? I have seem better efforts at communication by 7th graders (and better insults).
How can one possibly hope to be taken seriously, by any but fools, if this is the manner of response to criticism?

How many professionals endorse Pod Lair, or is it solely the province of wannabes?

 

[Architect]

Okay children, back to the topic.

PL has definitely got something here that is worth investigating. Typing a person is extremely difficult in MBTI. You need a database of past behaviors to reliably do this, and even then people modulate their behaviors in different ways which makes it more difficult. I had independently discovered, however, the people do throw off cues and physical characteristics they can give you insight into their type. I just hadn't realized how explicit it is.

Using the insights from PL it begins to become obvious what a person's type is, because you see it. You can see them using their functions, or powers – whatever you want to call it – in real-time. This actually makes perfect sense also, either through natural inclination or cultural miens it is very natural to make these gestures.

For example, the forward head thrust. This is an example of Fe, the PL people would say the person is accessing their pod power for Xyy. The MBTI people would say you are displaying your Fe. It's the same concept, regardless if you are the person who is trying to emphasize a point is a natural thrust her head forward? If you are INTP isn't that exactly the behavior you would exhibit when you bring out your Fe? Yes of course.

So I don't know whether these physical memes are just naturally evolved or culturally derived. For example, how many times have you seen a mad scientist walking around gesticulating with his hands? Isn't that spider hands? How is it then I see my INTP son gesticulating using spider hands when trying to make a point? Maybe he saw a movie or show with a mad scientist doing that, or more likely it seems to me the icon for mad scientist derives from the natural habit of an INTP who wants to fluently make a point by separating his fingers.

At any rate this first gear of reading doesn't seem to be a mechanical solution for reading a person, which is why they invented the other four gears. Regardless I can see that it already has improved my knowledge of typology and ability to type/Read other people.

 

[Architect]

Morrisey

Morrisey

Suspected ISFJ. The head tilting, including back, the hunter/directed eyes. He's just like my brother in law.

 

[BigApplePi]

Lyra's Requirement

@Da Blob. Here are Lyra's requirements as stated by himself.

Let's level with one another here. I respect demonstrable competence in perceiving and interacting with new phenomena as is. In empathising, understanding, and rationally reflecting. Individually and fully, not in terms of the social landscape of memetic assignations and assumptions and shallow forms which it is so, so easy to gain the stupid majority's respect in terms of. Almost everybody on this forum is incompetent to even engage in such an activity (lazy immediate reaction/assumption in accordance with a tawdry, superficial image of rationality is the norm). Anybody who's going to earn my respect will do so by demonstrating to me that they're far above that norm, not by referencing involvement in things commonly respected.

Let's not forget Lyra is an INFJ. So when he says he "respects demonstrable competence ...", he really means he would like to see that (we're talking about Pod'Lair) in the future. He hasn't left this thread so I surmise he wishes to continue promoting Pod'Lair in some way. By knowingly hurling insults and technical* lies, he keeps anyone who will listen interested and stirred up. What better way than to carry out what he wants to do? Another way would be to be straightforward, courteous and rational which the audience here believes they prefer. But that is the alternative of the INTP, not this INFJ.

Once again childish insults and a refusal to address the issues.

Does he have to?

One certainly has a high opinion of one's self, is there anything in reality that would justify this conceit? I have seem better efforts at communication by 7th graders (and better insults).

In one of his posts he questioned his own competence to do videos. I'm not convinced I know what his opinion of himself is.

How can one possibly hope to be taken seriously, by any but fools, if this is the manner of response to criticism?

We ARE fools ... and morons (his word) because we have not achieved the Pod'Lairian competence he wishes to promote.

How many professionals endorse Pod Lair, or is it solely the province of wannabes?

Exactly his wish. He wants Pod'Lair to get there.

@BigApplePi shut the fuck up. If you have something to say, don't direct it at me. I'm not interested.

At this point Lyra I'm compelled to obey you.
___________________

*They are logically lies but in terms of feeling, quite true ... if I have that right.

 

[snafupants]

Re: Lyra's Requirement

We ARE fools ... and morons (his word) because we have not achieved the Pod'Lairian competence he wishes to promote.

Now you're singing the right tune, BAP!

 

[BigApplePi]

I am loathe to give up my physical body at present, ...

Should you ever need to change your mind redbaron, there are those available to help you with the disposal.

 

[Lyra]

@Architect agreed that it's innate. I really don't see any viable way to justify a cultural explanation. Especially given how easy it is to read when, for example, a directive is mimicking adaptive gesturing because of cultural/memetic expectations. Or how this crosses all extant cultural boundaries. Or how it's continued in all of its complexity and mathematical precision despite a total lack of clear recognition of it.

Occam's razor is usually grossly misused-- to serve assumptions which only seem simple because of their commonality or widespread acceptance-- but in this case it would take truly incomprehensible levels of reality-warping complexity for this all to somehow be happening via something other than an innate programming.

 

[Architect]

Architect, agreed that it's innate. I really don't see any viable way to justify a cultural explanation. Especially given how easy it is to read when, for example, a directive is mimicking adaptive gesturing because of cultural/memetic expectations. Or how this crosses all extant cultural boundaries. Or how it's continued in all of its complexity and mathematical precision despite a total lack of clear recognition of it.

Yes I think that the innate nature is naturally a result of the nature of communication. Or, perhaps it's due to genetic programming, or cultural programming from our primate background. The eyes going left and right of course brings to mind the left and right brain hemispheres, however the right brain/left brain idea has been mostly discredited by neuroscience. At any rate when you study it, it becomes obvious how intentioned these cues are.

I think the PJ Harvey example beautifully illustrates this. If we accept for the moment that she is an INFJ you can see her in real time looking to the left to pull out an idea from her Ni as her dominant function or power. Then when she has an idea that she really likes you can see her move to the right, perk up and use her Ti to develop and extend the idea. Beautiful and fascinating.

The examples of me personally displaying INTP cues are too numerous to elaborate.

 

[Lyra]

Gear Five
- Quasi State – The state of mind in which there is a balance between the Conscious and Unconscious mind communicating with one another. This is the ideal state for Mojo Reading and any high energy moments and Peak Endevours.

- Reading not Typing – Reading Mojo is an ongoing process in which you begin by Indentifying the Mojo of a given individual, and go on to reading more and more nuanced information about them and they states they are in. Reading a person is honoring their innate nature by appreciating them in the way you would appreciate a work of art, not simply trying to pigeonhole them. Typing a person is an end onto itself, you learn just enough about a person to slap a prepackaged stereotype onto them, and then from that point on, you blind yourself from the innate nature of a person and are only informed by the prepackaged stereotype. This is not honoring a person, it is putting them into a box.

-Reading as Art Form - In order to capture their true character, a human must be viewed as a work of art. We are a complex collage of nuances, and to truly capture a person’s essence requires them to be studied with in artistic eye. Not unlike the way one would approach studying a wild animal, which is precisely what we humans are. The Five Gears of people reading allows us to look at other humans as wild animals and as works of art; detached yet involved, holistic yet precise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWTM2zaUzME

 

[Lyra]

@Architect and others, if you want to test and develop your skills, it's good practice to try going through the Quizzes (MRR) or Challenges (EoE) we are now publishing weekly. You can also work through past quizzes, looking at the answers only after attempting to identify the samples' configurations.

Here is the latest unanswered quiz:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv8t_cFv9mM

(open in a new window for a full samples/links list)

Past quizzes and answers can be found here.

 

[Architect]

Reading a person is honoring their innate nature by appreciating them in the way you would appreciate a work of art, not simply trying to pigeonhole them. Typing a person is an end onto itself, you learn just enough about a person to slap a prepackaged stereotype onto them, and then from that point on, you blind yourself from the innate nature of a person and are only informed by the prepackaged stereotype. This is not honoring a person, it is putting them into a box.

I think that's a subtle distinction - a worthy one - but I won't quibble. *


Checkpoint:
The Good:

• Reading Cues
• The correspondence of Pod Powers to already established functions
• Recognition that a person doesn't have preferences so much as powers, a better concept
• Recognition of the complexity of a psyche as a result of firmware (type) and software (personality)

The Bad:

• Disagree with the idea that all types/mojos are equally represented (a lot of research, corporate and academic says otherwise)
• Difficulties with vocabulary, presentation and lesson plans
• The attempt to make a clean break and discredit MBTI

Overall the insights I'm getting from the PL approach are quite remarkable and worthwhile.

Quizzes: Thanks - I'll work on that next at the end of the day.

@Lyra

* EDIT: This is worth saying more on. MBTI's intention was exactly that, to provide a way to not box people, but to understand why they did the seemingly insane things they did. Without it you might conclude (as was done with me) that an INTP kid will grow up to be a recluse. Possibly dangerous, think of the Unibomber! Extroverted types often think that introverts are dangerous, they're not 'part of the group'. Instead an understanding of their type can help a person unbox them and understand where they get their energy from.

What happens though is that the word 'type' can lead people to think of type as a box, that I agree with. However even Please Understand Me makes this point clearly enough, and regardless people will tend to box each other and themselves regardless of how you present it.

 

[InvisibleJim]

@InvisibleJim who are you to laugh at Lyra you sycophant?

Self seeker yes; flatterer no But I get the joke.

I wonder what the cost would be to be become Theta level eleventymillion in Pod'lair? Maybe just to buy 'Pod'lair theory and brand' and re-label the system more honestly instead of deploying hocus-pocus and smokescreens?

 

[Lyra]

It is honest. You might disagree with it or feel that it takes a lot of effort to get a handle on, but it is all very clear about its reasoning for doing what it does. What's dishonest is pretending at understanding when your conclusions are really just combining a lack of investigation into that reasoning with nearest-fit-as-you-currently-perceive-it memetypes.

All the info is available publicly. Everything we're now saying is to do with things that have been explicated publicly, in such a way that a person can become proficient in them without any monetary transfer.

 

[Lyra]

This is worth saying more on. MBTI's intention was exactly that, to provide a way to not box people, but to understand why they did the seemingly insane things they did. Without it you might conclude (as was done with me) that an INTP kid will grow up to be a recluse. Possibly dangerous, think of the Unibomber! Extroverted types often think that introverts are dangerous, they're not 'part of the group'. Instead an understanding of their type can help a person unbox them and understand where they get their energy from.

What happens though is that the word 'type' can lead people to think of type as a box, that I agree with. However even Please Understand Me makes this point clearly enough, and regardless people will tend to box each other and themselves regardless of how you present it.

This sounds fine, but in practice this is not what MBTI 'experts' do. Our interactions with would-be gurus who've gone through all the years-long Jungian training courses and MBTI accreditations speak to that (every single one of them has tried to explain away Pod'Lair as some type-related pathology, always identifying our members as the wrong config).

It's easy to in principle identify with those kinds of aims that Kiersey does. And, yes, even a very hazy/misapplied recognition that the cognitive configuration phenomenon does in some form exist is perhaps better than some other misreadings of how humans work. But the epistemological approach of MBTI, its application and use, and all of its core methods for doing what it does are inherently flawed in such a way that stereotype just cannot be avoided. There is no way to really distinguish it from anything else-- type, for MBTI, is stereotype. Because they can't Read.

Without Reading, config and stereotype are approached via the same lack of epistemological clarity, the same basic epistemological toolset. The results of this are apparent in Jung's work, in the MBTI's methods of testing (the 'MBTI instrument' has been the crux for decades, after all) and in the current state of the field. What they have at best gotten is reflections of a phenomenon in motion distorted by an epistemology and a culture totally inadequate to really discover and clarify that phenomenon. The relevant patterns are never identified, and everything is thus confused and approached awry, all info about people being explained in terms of the theory (generating stereotype thinking) because the actual phenomenological limits and application of the theory are so murky. So lacking an appropriate theoretical/practical approach/clarification. So lacking any method of falsification or... anything, really. 'Experts' get it wrong. It's all wrong.

Yes, they were chasing the same phenomenon. But the way they were chasing it, what they were doing with it, the theory they constructed around it-- that was all very, very different. We owe nothing to that culture or that methodology, and we are not in any sense in identity with it or its practices. All we care about is the phenomenon itself, and Coach was the person who truly discovered and clarified it-- falsifiably, to an extent totally unmatched, and in such a way as to allow the actual achievement of the aim of Reading, not Typing. The idea that we'd have anything to gain by conciliation with MBTI culture is... off, to say the least. And the reaction we receive from MBTIers, totally unable as they mostly are to read what's going on, is a testament to that. They are not insightful people-- MBTI has not helped them.

The application of our theory is a total epistemological overhaul-- and our theory comes from approaching things in the way that overhaul would aim for. All that we're really fighting-- all the delusion and stereotype and ignorance and cowardice-- is as prevalent in MBTI as in most other places.

For an in-depth view into that overhaul and how it unfolds from and into Reading, practically... please refer back to my bullet-point post about this issue further back in this thread.

 

[crippli]

Typing a person is extremely difficult in MBTI. You need a database of past behaviors to reliably do this, and even then people modulate their behaviors in different ways which makes it more difficult.

Is it possible to type a person? I view it as similar to taking a picture. I create a story, and hopefully, one they will value. How can a stereotype capture the history of those worn out hands? To me it's always made sense that typing captures superficiality, as is proper as the ideas also are superficial. Type a sentence, type a word, type a picture, type a 5min video, type a room, type a mathematical formula. If one operate within the borders, I think one can get accurate results, with whatever. What you write above sounds very ambitious to me. I don't think I would ever make an attempt on such a thing to actually type a person based on clues. People change, even history changes. I could however type the clue. Photograph whatever and create the story it tells. It is important to note my involvement in creating the story, it is an essential component of any photography. I am aware this this is odd thinking on my part, and I presume it will be considered to be nonsense. But to me it's quite clear, and makes sense. I do consider the possibility that I've gotten it the other way around from what would be honest or proper.

“There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept.”
― Ansel Adams
This here makes so much sense to me. It makes MBTI kinda okay in my book, at least for us amateurs.

And
“When words become unclear, I shall focus with photographs. When images become inadequate, I shall be content with silence.”
― Ansel Adams

Oh...if I could only live up to this, I would be content.

 

[InvisibleJim]

It is honest. You might disagree with it or feel that it takes a lot of effort to get a handle on, but it is all very clear about its reasoning for doing what it does.

Many, many discussion later with Pod'lair and associates continually spitting out their dummies at people and it's claimed to be honest and very clear - despite it only describing phenomenon a journeyman at typology can get a handle on even if they disagree with the principles. Sure thing Lyra.

Once there are common references to the existing theories with very clear rigid demarcations on disagreement then familiarity with the ideas of Pod'lair will gain more acceptance on the basis of their value relative to other theories, but this is not the case today.

 

[Lyra]

Again, acceptance in this field isn't the point-- and its supposed leaders and adepts are in no position to judge whether another theory is adequate, given their own track record and lack of epistemological clarity. We're here to filter, correctly position, and then move on.

That positioning is being made very clear, again and again. I you're not getting that, or why it is what it is, you're just not able or willing to pay the right kind of attention. We could not be more explicit.

That you people even pay this amount of attention to this kind of thing, instead of how absolutely huge this phenomenon is and could be in terms of your personal understanding, is another expression of how little MBTI has done for you, and of how it embodies the fundamental contortions in social attitude which we will correct. That MBTI people are reacting to this as they are is a perfect demonstration of how/why we are completely different.

tl;dr you're stupid. Thanks for putting in on the record.

 

[Lyra]

Btw this mobbing is tiring. I provide a far deeper epistemological justification for my position repeatedly than any of you ever have for your endless, plebian side-line snipes and uninformed critiques. I've clarified this in terms of Philosophy of Science, laid out its whole logically necessary structure, and refuted hundreds of different baseless assertions. I have won this argument many times over by any rational standard. All that has been presented in return is gossipy/stereotype-based characterisation. More people incapable of research jump in each new day, and the old ones try to find some new snag in my words they can try to trip the whole thing up on-- but nothing genuinely new is coming through.

That you all keep writing stupid shit doesn't mean you've presented a superior understanding of what proper Scientific Inquiry is or how this relates to it. Doesn't mean that you've found any holes in the step-by-step explanation I provided of how this theory and our conduct unfolds from Reading. Doesn't mean you're any more than one more lazy, mundane voice that only feels arrogantly entitled enough to comment because it's used to the lazy, mundane culture which bred it. You present a full critique and assessment, demonstrating familiarity with former discussions and understanding of what this is (and of Reading etc. and its yields, at the very least up to or beyond the level of familiarity and comprehension Architect has displayed) or you're just spewing.

Just trying to find some lazy characterisation you can use to place this whole thing in relation to the phantasmagoria or irrational forms and unfounded epistemological arrogance this culture and your unrefined character have imbued you with. Just trying to attribute a screen of labels, a superficial causality, and so think you have 'understood'-- because, for you, that's what understanding consists of. Just showing you're another sycophantic coward who's far more concerned with the roles that certain ways of speaking and presenting oneself allow in this cultural climate than with what is, and, because of that, what we could be.

No vision. No intelligence. No empathy with what a phenomenon or individual or event actually is. Just phantasmagoric 'explanations' of what, to maintain the petty psychic landscape you've staked your social role and self-image in, must be 'explained' away.

Demonstrate that you are above this norm, or you're getting ignored and treated as static-- useless, indistinct noise.

 

[Reluctantly]

Sooo...could it be said that Pod'Lair gives people a lens to see, but doesn't give them the mind to infer what they want about what they then see? This, might clear up a lot of the fighting because one can't falsify a tool, but can only falsify how that tool is used.

 

[Lyra]

Sooo...could it be said that Pod'Lair gives people a lens to see, but doesn't give them the mind to infer what they want about what they then see? This, might clear up a lot of the fighting because one can't falsify a tool, but can only falsify how that tool is used.

@Relutantly

Thank you for presenting yourself on-cue as an example of how my last post will be applied. Perhaps I will make a habit of this:

@Reluctantly

Stop spewing uninformed laziness until you have matched yourself to this. Also learn what the word 'falsify' means in an empirical context.

 

[BigApplePi]

Re: Lyra's Requirement

Now you're singing the right tune, BAP!

What about THIS tune snafu?

Spoiler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1BJfDvSITY

Don't forget to turn the sound up. He's a great singer.

 

[BigApplePi]

Damn. I'm started a reply this morning and the thread is overrun before I can post it.

 

[Reluctantly]

http://www.intpforum.com/showpost.php?p=334881&postcount=289

No one else seems to even know what we're competing about and you declared yourself the winner. Very classy.

Stop spewing uninformed laziness until you have matched yourself to this. Also learn what the word 'falsify' means in an empirical context.

Pod'Lair isn't empirical though, unless it claims cause and effect. And if you say it does, it falls under the same philosophical problems that makes psychology a pseudoscience and makes any efforts at raising empirical context as ambiguous. You should have taken my suggestion.

 

[BigApplePi]

@Architect agreed that it's innate. I really don't see any viable way to justify a cultural explanation. Especially given how easy it is to read when, for example, a directive is mimicking adaptive gesturing because of cultural/memetic expectations. Or how this crosses all extant cultural boundaries. Or how it's continued in all of its complexity and mathematical precision despite a total lack of clear recognition of it.

Occam's razor is usually grossly misused-- to serve assumptions which only seem simple because of their commonality or widespread acceptance-- but in this case it would take truly incomprehensible levels of reality-warping complexity for this all to somehow be happening via something other than an innate programming.

Behavior whether innate in the beginning, will branch out. It's like a glass. One may fill it with any liquid but the shape is formed by the glass.

 

[BigApplePi]

There are MANY paths to honoring a person. Pod'Liar's basics and its ramifications are but one. "All roads lead to Rome." You can be a hero Lyra.

From the Sourcebook:
"Heroic Pioneer - Pod'Lair Theory with its Eight Pathways acts as a compass for life that makes you aware of unlimited and ever expanding vistas inwardly and outwardly available to you. As a Heroic Pioneer it is your purpose to take charge of your Heroic Story and to make it as great as you can for yourself and in the process, for the betterment of humankind."

 

[Reluctantly]

Behavior whether innate in the beginning, will branch out. It's like a glass. One may fill it with any liquid but the shape is formed by the glass.

How do you know the glass can't react to its contents?

 

[Architect]

Btw this mobbing is tiring.

Agreed. Folks, conduct the infighting elsewhere. This thread is for a fair and rational investigation of PL.

 

[Architect]

Is it possible to type a person? I view it as similar to taking a picture. I create a story, and hopefully, one they will value.

I believe so, insofar as a type is a set of functions, which are patterns which make up our psyche. Of course a person is more complex than that, but these are essential features.

 

[Reluctantly]

No vision. No intelligence. No empathy with what a phenomenon or individual or event actually is. Just phantasmagoric 'explanations' of what, to maintain the petty psychic landscape you've staked your social role and self-image in, must be 'explained' away.

And this is pretty much the idea behind Projection.

Demonstrate that you are above this norm, or you're getting ignored and treated as static-- useless, indistinct noise.

I was right about you when I suggested in the other thread that you might use your introversion, in the form of Ti, to ignore those that disagree with you.

Jung talks about this. Ti gets so caught up in dichotomizing that it starts to believe it has figured everything out and everyone is stupid and wrong that disagrees, even if (or perhaps BECAUSE) no one else can see the same potential value you see in it. It's a form of neurosis.

See Jung isn't always so bad guys...