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Artsu Tharaz

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Yeah, just don't show up.

You're not actually being pressured, it's fine to not enjoy them. No one will be offended if you don't go.
 

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hmm...this would normally be true...but I know very few people now, any parties I'd get invited to I wouldn't know more than one person, maybe two and even those I wouldn't know very well.
 

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Define "party".

That is such a loose term.

I very much enjoy a good party, the emphasis would be on 'good', not on 'party'.
 

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Define "party".

That is such a loose term.

I very much enjoy a good party, the emphasis would be on 'good', not on 'party'.

True, I find that in social gatherings it has more to do with a personal flow (or wave), and the flow (or wave) of the gathering. So if my personal flow is in line with the gathering I enjoy it, and if it is in opposition, I will simply want to leave. There will be a great feeling of not enjoying it, even a sense of "I should NOT be here."
 

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I usually find drinking parties insufferable dull and ultimately alienating. The only recourses I have to avoid being sucked into the vicious miasma soul-gnashing vacuum of small talk and general buffoonery are pranks, daydreaming, and intimate conversation, and even those can become trying. Drinking only seems to redouble my annoyance and boredom. Most people must feel differently than I or else parties would cease to exist. For whatever reason, parties foreground everything I hate about humanity.
 

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True, I find that in social gatherings it has more to do with a personal flow (or wave), and the flow (or wave) of the gathering. So if my personal flow is in line with the gathering I enjoy it, and if it is in opposition, I will simply want to leave. There will be a great feeling of not enjoying it, even a sense of "I should NOT be here."

Quite true. That is a good way to put it.


I don't know, I tend to consider even having two close friends over, turning up the music, drinking many good brews and making a mess making some excellent meal, all the ridiculous and thought provoking conversation that flows in a situation like this- I'd call that a Party.
 

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Of course, my friends and I can really talk, when we get going. First hour or two of a get together like that is nothing more than a rapid fire exchange of everything new and interesting we've all discovered since the last meeting. After that everyone is drunk enough to start figuring out how to incorporate all that information into our new world theory.
 

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If meeting new people is what you're after, then there are probably better ways, unless it happens to be a good opportunity

Usually the parties I've been to were mostly just whatever. Something to get me out of the house, annoying at first, decent here and there, ultimately end up bored while everyone else is chattering, possible to leave early.
 

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Quite true. That is a good way to put it.


I don't know, I tend to consider even having two close friends over, turning up the music, drinking many good brews and making a mess making some excellent meal, all the ridiculous and thought provoking conversation that flows in a situation like this- I'd call that a Party.

I consider that a gathering of friends, which I attempt every time my friends are in town, and it usually goes just like you described.

A party is usually that, combined with an expectation of getting drunk and more extroverts, also including people not everybody knows.

I've only been to one real "party" and I've been in large groups of friends that borderline on "party" but where I knew everyone decently well.

I guess "party" for me is defined by a general sense of uneasiness about the fact that there are people I don't know, coupled with a sense of responsibility to get to know more people. If it doesn't have that then I feel it's just a gathering of friends.
 

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In my opinion you may as well go, there will come a point where you will regret not going and at least you can find out if you should regret it or not. However I turn up to parties eat drink and such.

Instead of not feeling pressured to go don't feel pressured to socialise. At worst you can just eat and drink and imagine nobody else exists. You can leave at anytime. Comeback at anytime, just don't care about whatever anyone else thinks and they become wonderful events :D
 

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Grown up parties have food.
 

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I tend to have two modes in parties:

Loner mode: I'm not enjoying myself, I don't want to talk to the idiots around me, no amount of drink lifts my spirits, I want to go home.

It's all me mode: I get my narcissism on. I don't care who's twenty first it is, this party is about me enjoying myself. I drink until I throw up (then drink again), I sing, I dance, I argue ridiculous shit, I partake in games I will win at and call the rest crap, I make enemies, I make friends, I lead people on only to reject them later.

The latter approach is preferred.
 

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Cheap liquid shit, I wouldn't drink that if you'd pay me less than $50 to do it.

YOU WOULD DRINK IT! Seriously why no imagination :D There are so many things you could do...
 

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a goa rave in "nature" (i know what it looks like afterwards) would seem a little bit attractive to me. never been to one though, we don't have them here. other parties: me trying to become someone/something else (but i never make it). no, thanks, too old to fool myself. yeah i am alone and dream of compatible people, but i am not compatible with them. my party is the internet.

it's not that the incompatibility is necessarily hardwired, it may mostly be conditional, but the party sets up the conditions and then most people operate in a mode that's not supported by my system.
 

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I tend to have two modes in parties:

Loner mode: I'm not enjoying myself, I don't want to talk to the idiots around me, no amount of drink lifts my spirits, I want to go home.

It's all me mode: I get my narcissism on. I don't care who's twenty first it is, this party is about me enjoying myself. I drink until I throw up (then drink again), I sing, I dance, I argue ridiculous shit, I partake in games I will win at and call the rest crap, I make enemies, I make friends, I lead people on only to reject them later.

The latter approach is preferred.

That's gross. :king-twitter:
 

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I tend to have two modes in parties:

Loner mode: I'm not enjoying myself, I don't want to talk to the idiots around me, no amount of drink lifts my spirits, I want to go home.

It's all me mode: I get my narcissism on. I don't care who's twenty first it is, this party is about me enjoying myself. I drink until I throw up (then drink again), I sing, I dance, I argue ridiculous shit, I partake in games I will win at and call the rest crap, I make enemies, I make friends, I lead people on only to reject them later.

The latter approach is preferred.

I'm similar in that I have multiple party modes.

There is the silent observer. I sit back watching and only through my two cents in when I'm sure that it'll add insight. I usually don't drink much when I'm like.:phear:

Then I have the arrogant pseudo-intellectual. I don't like him, but I have a hell of a lot more fun as him. I walk around speaking of things that most people don't have a clue about, use words that confuse people. I'll talk about the fine art that I enjoy (totally ignoring all the pop-culture things), how I love classical music and theater. Anything to make me look like I'm superior or classy.

Lastly I have life of the party guy. I turn my filter to it's lowest setting. Say what ever goofy, and possibly dirty, thing that comes to my mind. I'll act funny, tell jokes, purposely make light of controversial issues. I even dance and sing. I don't even need to get drunk to be this guy, I just need to feel like letting loose. :storks:

There is some times a variation between the last two, but I prefer to be the first. I feel most comfortable acting as a disembodied mind observing the world, an outsider looking in. I'm rarely proud of my self the next day after the second option, and the third leaves me with both good and bad memories.
 

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As the silent observer I do not enjoy myself. I always feel very self-conscious if I'm on the outside looking in. I'd prefer not to be around people when I'm in these moods.
 

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Saturday night I was planning to simply meet a few friends at a casino. A different friend of mine called me up and invited me to a mathematics conference banquet at a luxury resort. I the idea of free food was more than enough to get me motivated to attend. My friend picked me up and we attended the banquet. I sat at a table full of mathematicians ranging in age from the late twenties to late sixties. I drank copious amounts of wine and ate fine food. Had merry conversations with the people around me. A couple younger mathematicians and I went to various night clubs after the event while my friend went back to my place and crashed. After drinking more and having a ball of a time, I went to the casino. My friends were not there. Instead I went to my other friend's place, drank more and played pictionary until 2:30 am.

Fun night. XD
 

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I like to observe. I can be part of the party, but will require some form of mood/meditation/trance even idea/feeling, something like Audreys dance(twin peaks).

Being the stranger in the room does not at all intimidate me. Well, on the premise if I am in some control of the situation. I could be the one on a chair fully dressed staring directly at you and your friends while you shower naked. If startled, I'd tell you with a calm hypnotic voice to pretend I am not there, as I am there only to observe and take notes.

Perhaps it's attention whoring, as I may not be all that interested in my notes. In a room where everyone screams, being quiet may be what will provide attention.

So we have arrived at my point. My point is that the point with partying is to get attention. Like nitrogen and soil.
 

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I'd go to a party if I can manage to get sufficiently drunk and/or stoned. Get me out of my shell a bit, I actually had the nerve to feel up on a bunch of girls without getting smacked in the face once.
 

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What nonsense. I enjoy going to parties as the only male.
 

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Dear mongrel,

It is implied that the women in question are reasonably attractive.

Regards,
Your Better
 

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Dear Virgin,

You better look like Adonis, Verse like Cyrano, have a mind like Dr. Frankenstein and smell naturally of caramel cookies before you start calling perfectly pretty women "disgusting" and expect to get anywhere ever.

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Dear Virgin,

You better look like Adonis, Verse like Cyrano, have a mind like Dr. Frankenstein and smell naturally of caramel cookies before you start calling perfectly pretty women "disgusting" and expect to get anywhere ever.

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The Girl who Overheard You.

Dear Girl Who Overheard Me,

I don't care if I'll have sex with an ugly woman. I'd rather pay $50 for a woman who gets money, fucks a lot and looks pretty instead of a woman who is ugly, fucks a lot and doesn't take money for it. However, if I can't pay for that, I'm okay with being a virgin until I can.

I was recently linked to an article in some UK or US paper, writing about a shemale who looks "perfectly good" as well. What does that tell you about peoples' standards? :D

P.S. I have no idea what is Adonis and Cyrano, and I haven't seen Dr. Frankenstein.

Surprised,
The Guy Who Has Higher Standards Than The General Public
 

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There are several problems in your statement. Problem number one (#1) and a very huge problem at that, is the idea/implication that any woman who has a sexuality must "fuck a lot", must be some sort of slut or even a whore.

This is basically what you have said. That in order for a woman to have sex with *you*, and by default your statement implies *with any man*, she must be a loose woman.

Yet at the same time you imply that is perfectly acceptable for you to pay for sex. (which of course it is, because it is your body and your sex life) Yet how can it be acceptable for you as a male to pay for sex but a female who has sex, let alone a female who would accept money for sex, is deemed a less acceptable person? These are the implications you have made and they are implications that are pervasive throughout society and only serve to archaically hamper equality and destroy the female part of the populations self image and worth. Why would you wish to be a part of that sort of system, to contribute to that sort of continued degradation of the culture and of humanity?

Wouldn't it be better to consider any woman who would bed you, even if you were to pay for it, as having given you something special, having shared something, her very body, with you as something to be respected even if you never see her again after? To think otherwise would be to degrade your own self as well, to degrade the male half of the population.

Second problem I see with your statements is the expectations of beauty you perpetuate. These too, only serve to harm both males and females.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAnRQncZ_uk&feature=related

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adonis


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrano_de_Bergerac_(play)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Frankenstein
 

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There are several problems in your statement. Problem number one (#1) and a very huge problem at that, is the idea/implication that any woman who has a sexuality must "fuck a lot", must be some sort of slut or even a whore.

This is basically what you have said. That in order for a woman to have sex with *you*, and by default your statement implies *with any man*, she must be a loose woman.

And so are loose men. I don't have anything against women nor men, I'd probably fuck wome(a)n a couple times a week if I would be a moderately wealthy extrovert with low norms, most women nowadays don't require much flattery.

Yet at the same time you imply that is perfectly acceptable for you to pay for sex. (which of course it is, because it is your body and your sex life) Yet how can it be acceptable for you as a male to pay for sex but a female who has sex, let alone a female who would accept money for sex, is deemed a less acceptable person? These are the implications you have made and they are implications that are pervasive throughout society and only serve to archaically hamper equality and destroy the female part of the populations self image and worth. Why would you wish to be a part of that sort of system, to contribute to that sort of continued degradation of the culture and of humanity?

I actually replied to the above quotation before reading this part of the post, but it applies to this one as well. For all I care, fuck 3 times a day.

Wouldn't it be better to consider any woman who would bed you, even if you were to pay for it, as having given you something special, having shared something, her very body, with you as something to be respected even if you never see her again after? To think otherwise would be to degrade your own self as well, to degrade the male half of the population.

That's nothing special, or we both are special: we both had pleasure, therefore we both enjoyed it. There's nothing special about it, we did it for ourselves (unless the counterpart is the kind of person who does things for others), but that is extremely unlikely. Therefore, we did have sex for ourselves; and if I'd paid for sex, that would've been that woman's job, which is even further from special.

Second problem I see with your statements is the expectations of beauty you perpetuate. These too, only serve to harm both males and females.

*a video*

Actually I do not like women who use a lot of make-up, so this is not applicable to me.
 

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Ew! Paying for sex. So dehumanizing. Also, $50 will only get you meth-mouth and crabs, not pretty.

I liked your video MissQuote. I also agree with your point on one sharing their body being seen as "something special". It's so sad how we degrade the very act in which new life is created, as nothing special. It's a normal function, yes, but that doesn't make it any less important or special.

Strangely this isn't that far off the topic of parties.
 

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Ew! Paying for sex. So dehumanizing. Also, $50 will only get you meth-mouth and crabs, not pretty.

I liked your video MissQuote. I also agree with your point on one sharing their body being seen as "something special". It's so sad how we degrade the very act in which new life is created, as nothing special. It's a normal function, yes, but that doesn't make it any less important or special.

Strangely this isn't that far off the topic of parties.

I've no idea about prices. I also don't know why it's so dehumanizing. After all, most men and/or women get drunk before they go home to fuck, and before that, they lie and pretend to get along. In most cases, anyway. I think this kind of behavior is worse than someone paying for sex.

Creating a new life, that could be considered as special. But what is so special when the creation of a new life ends up in a condom stuck on your window? Or when the woman you're fucking takes pills to NOT have that "special" experience? Regular sex is not an action of the creation of life, it's an act of having fun. People fuck for the pleasure, not for the outcome; in fact a lot of people get stressed out if they get that outcome, and a lot of these outcomes are unwanted. If you were a woman, would like like to have the special part of having sex after fucking a random dude from the bar? I don't think so. If anything, casual sex can be seen as the opposite of the "special," the creation of a new life.
 

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Marinas, seashore resorts, public and private campgrounds: Often people have parties, on boats, on docks, in houses, under tiki lights outside an Airstream trailer in a campground, while on vacation in "different" areas not their homes. Two hours into the party, nobody knows all the people there, or who came with someone they do know, etc. It's just confusion, usually helped along by alcohol. For those who are not aware, it is quite possible to simply walk into that party, get in the buffet line, pick out a nice meal, go find a chair next to someone who looks reasonably friendly, and have a nice conversation that you begin simply by saying "this is the best party they've ever had, don't you think?" And you can leave whenever you want.

Pursued diligently, this procedure could mean not buying dinner for an entire summer.

Parties with more than 75 people are best suited to the INTP's ability and desire to be unobtrusive. Think of yourself as part of the wallpaper and make sure you include the shrimp. Parties with big shrimp are put on by people who are truly interested in making a good impression, and should go on your "next year" list.

:D
 

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Marinas, seashore resorts, public and private campgrounds: Often people have parties, on boats, on docks, in houses, under tiki lights outside an Airstream trailer in a campground, while on vacation in "different" areas not their homes. Two hours into the party, nobody knows all the people there, or who came with someone they do know, etc. It's just confusion, usually helped along by alcohol. For those who are not aware, it is quite possible to simply walk into that party, get in the buffet line, pick out a nice meal, go find a chair next to someone who looks reasonably friendly, and have a nice conversation that you begin simply by saying "this is the best party they've ever had, don't you think?" And you can leave whenever you want.

Pursued diligently, this procedure could mean not buying dinner for an entire summer.

Parties with more than 75 people are best suited to the INTP's ability and desire to be unobtrusive. Think of yourself as part of the wallpaper and make sure you include the shrimp. Parties with big shrimp are put on by people who are truly interested in making a good impression, and should go on your "next year" list.

:D

Wow, if I'm moving to US, I'm getting to an area that has a beach nearby. Damn. :D:eek::confused:
 

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you are living in some kind of paradise. all i have to practice the overcoming of my compulsive isolation (i like that word much better than social phobia) is one lousy street siesta (5 days) every year (i am compulsively limited to public/open air places, you know like a vampire, unless i am invited in). i make progress still. mental preparation. the siesta is more like a test of my yearly progress. the measurement is mental calmness, feeling undivided and feeling self-sufficiency - the paradox of enjoying taking a bath in souls without expecting something more. i am around 98%. i imagine, i will tremble, slip and fall into conversations accidentally, when i hit 100%. it has already happened, actually, but never amounted to more than a short situation. i recognize other people around me, who routinely live like that, and they recognize me sometimes and approach me. looks like extroversion, except it's not fake.
 

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Creating a new life, that could be considered as special. But what is so special when the creation of a new life ends up in a condom stuck on your window? Or when the woman you're fucking takes pills to NOT have that "special" experience? Regular sex is not an action of the creation of life, it's an act of having fun. People fuck for the pleasure, not for the outcome; in fact a lot of people get stressed out if they get that outcome, and a lot of these outcomes are unwanted. If you were a woman, would like like to have the special part of having sex after fucking a random dude from the bar? I don't think so. If anything, casual sex can be seen as the opposite of the "special," the creation of a new life.

Sex is an act in which life can be brought into the world. Not that it has to every time. I'm not one to partake in casual sex, but even in those cases, with condom and whatnot, you can still produce offspring, just more unlikely. I think casual sex is just as degrading as prostitution, but I won't stop someone from doing either, it is their body their life. To treat someone as just the genitals they poses, is to rob them of part of their humanity.
 

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Sex is an act in which life can be brought into the world. Not that it has to every time. I'm not one to partake in casual sex, but even in those cases, with condom and whatnot, you can still produce offspring, just more unlikely. I think casual sex is just as degrading as prostitution, but I won't stop someone from doing either, it is their body their life. To treat someone as just the genitals they poses, is to rob them of part of their humanity.

I believe MissQuote's original implication was about casual sex, not about the "let's have a toddler" kind of sex.

I actually used to think that way, but I changed my mind not long ago.
 

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I believe MissQuote's original implication was about casual sex, not about the "let's have a toddler" kind of sex.

I actually used to think that way, but I changed my mind not long ago.

I know what she was implying, but she was affirming that sex isn't without meaning. I'm sure we would disagree somewhere on the nature of sex and it's ethics, but from what I read, we both give it some form of meaningfulness. Don't get me wrong, though, I have no problem with "recreational" sex, in the context of a committed relationship.
 

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I know what she was implying, but she was affirming that sex isn't without meaning. I'm sure we would disagree somewhere on the nature of sex and it's ethics, but from what I read, we both give it some form of meaningfulness. Don't get me wrong, though, I have no problem with "recreational" sex, in the context of a committed relationship.

i don't believe anybody around here had sex in a relationship in mind. :p
 

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some people simply don't have the accessible experience or depth of imagination to know viscerally what they are talking about.

i am wondering whether there might be, in real life, the most sensitive creature underneath the tough talk, equipped with a schizoid mind, that has never made acquaintance with this creature.

bought sex, while feeling 100% ego separation, is not only unenjoyable to the soul, but even the body will quickly become dissociated, after only a year or less of fucking around maybe, orgasm will be flat and physical like a hickpup, and there is no pleasure in the act, it will be like taking a hard drug that no longer produces a high, but the craving is killing you. to translate the analogy, "craving" would be the schizoid mind that believes that sex is certainly better than no sex.

you would expose yourself to entirely unattractive bodily sensations (even pain, how about foreskin burn and such), because for a moment your mind believes, that it's having what it's seeking for, yet your mind is far from actually being calm, because it's pissed about it's misery. and what to do about that? become angry and beat the bitch? it's gonna be alcohol, isn't it?

for the record, i am nothing like that ^ (although i am supposedly schizoid, it's a huge spectrum), my overmind doesn't even allow me to enter even a sex shop (video store) and I always despised prostitution, but there exists analogy:

at age 23, i freaked out my first girl friend thoroughly by talking in similar, less extreme manner. i didn't know how my system would react in the imagined situations, so I fell for my minds ideas. for instance going to swinger clubs seemed like a good idea to me, mixing with strangers (from ego to ego and body to body) was my best concept of freedom from my isolation - i knew i couldn't actually do it, because of my compulsive isolation, but i declared that i wanted to do it, and hoped for psychotherapy to free me, so i could do such horrible things, as seen on TV.

i wasn't in touch with how my soul would actually react to people, who actually live like that. in my mind i corrupted the imagination, by projecting my soul into such people. i didn't have vision logic yet, and in my pluralistic delusion, red meme adaption seemed to be as good of an evolutionary achievement, as any other. i was dreaming myself out of touch with this subtle difference between me and average mortals: for me behaving like this would be a game, for them it would be real life, all they know, full identification. i also had not concept of spirituality at all.

in this reality, i could not hold up such a projection. in real situations, I actually feel people, as they are, even if my mind can't comprehend it (it can, now). and then the rabbit will run away from the wolves as fast as it can. no erection!. hell, simple smalltalk of such people is enough to make me feel like shitting my pants. i could have known back then, but the mind can be really out of touch.

of course my girl friend had had, like pretty much all girls, 10 or so relationships before "the age at with the average male inxx would have his first GF", so she had little understanding of or patience with my lack of self-awareness.
 

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Ew! Paying for sex. So dehumanizing. Also, $50 will only get you meth-mouth and crabs, not pretty.

I liked your video MissQuote. I also agree with your point on one sharing their body being seen as "something special". It's so sad how we degrade the very act in which new life is created, as nothing special. It's a normal function, yes, but that doesn't make it any less important or special.

Strangely this isn't that far off the topic of parties.

Nothing is more human than exchanging services for money. Humans trade; tis what we do. ;)

All the times I have had sex I have had to pay for it. Be it paying for it directly, taking a woman out for a night on the town, paying for my girl friend's existence, my time spent being charming /clever /insightful /profound /pretending to be something I am not /competitive /creative /keeping in shape /looking good /etc., etc. Convincing a woman indirectly to have sex is a tough gig. Even more so for the ones that I actually find attractive enough to be a relationship with.
 

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To treat someone as just the genitals they poses, is to rob them of part of their humanity.

And to treat someone as if they don't have any, and ignore sexuality, is just as much robbing them of part of their humanity. ;)

(or animality I think :confused:)
 

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To address the original topic...

I find parties to be dull and full of drunken idiots. By idiots I mean kids who are too stupid to know their limitations when it comes to drinking, or other drugs. I can't bring myself to converse with individuals like this, it makes me feel like an idiot just trying to converse with such a personality. My problem is that no matter how much I drink, how much I smoke or how much LSD I have consumed, my mind is still in the same general spectrum, if not more narcissistic than I already am lol....except for Lucy....but that shuts me up since I can't grasp words from my thoughts since so much is being processed and thought about on the drug.

So I ignore parties and avoid them. I'd much rather converse with individuals that are on the same level as I am. Either on the Internet, engineering clubs, old friends who have similar personality types etc..

You don't need to go to parties to meet new people, unless you want to associate yourselves with mundane individuals. Go volunteer or something, people of that nature are worth talking to. All in all be comfortable with who you are and do whatever you feel will make you happiest in terms of social interaction.

Sex is great, but I encourage people to try to form male-female connections prior to sex...not just one night stands. Find yourself a girl, converse and get to know each other, once a connection is there and you find yourself in a relationship, prepare yourself for all the sex you ever could've hoped and dreamed for. All while finding yourself a great girl that you can consider a great friend as well.
 

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I don't see the need to commit to a sex is special/sex is strictly not special position. Sex is fun that should be done when you want it and it is available. If both parties think the sex is special, then it is. If one party thinks it's special, then it's creepy and you should never talk to each other ever again :phear:

I'll only have sex if it's meaningless. People seem easyily hurt, and while it's obviously some sort of emotional experience for some, I have trouble empathising once the act is done.
 

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After reading others use the word 'special' over and over again, I am thinking it did not quite convey my own meaning exactly as I meant.

I did not mean that I think that sex is or always should be a sacred spiritual experiment necessarily every time it is done, more like something that should be pleasant even in the parting, after the act, as well as before and during. Neither party should look down upon themselves or the other for mutual participation in something desired.
 

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I dont believe sex is a special, spiritual encounter either. However, for the sake of the INTP who may have a hard enough time to speak to a girl, sex would be more comfortable and enjoyable with a female that is more familiar than one who is not.
 
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