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Is it an insult for an N to be called a Sensor?

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cf. "Is it an insult to be called an INTJ?"

It was contended (by me, among other people) that the difference (actual or perceived) between an INTJ and an ISTJ is greater than that between an INTP and an ISTP.

Is it an insult to be called a Sensor for an INTP? Might it be an insult for all Ns? Granted, some may see it as less of an insult than others.

Might any N see being perceived as a Sensor as a compliment? Perhaps in specific situations?

I'm not bothering to be politically correct. This is about how we instinctively feel. For the purposes of this thread, it is not contended (and would never be contended) by me that any type is any lesser than any other type. Gifts differing an' a' that.
 

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On other type forums I'm on, it seems to be anathema to the huge majority of N's to be labeled a Sensor. Even the Sensors like to imagine themselves as N. It makes discussion a bit touchy, people should be happy being themselves but there seems to be a stigma among at least some groups of N's over being S.

I can't really remember any N's seeing it as a compliment to be called an S. I've definitely seen some people use it as a criticism for an N they think is not being intuitive/imaginative.

Elsewhere it might be a different story. (There are some aspects of S's I wish I had more of.)
 

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Definitely not. I often wish I was a sensor. Now if you called me a feeler on the other hand...:beatyou:
I think a lot of the problems we encounter with people have more to do with S combined with F than S by itself.
 

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Apparently a lot of people think so, but I can't imagine getting worked up about it, or even caring. Why would anyone else think they know how my mind works? People using pop-psych in general drive me crazy: "You know what your problem is? You're [psych fad of day]" or "That kid can't sit still in class. Must be ADD." But that is just extremely annoying, and frankly easy to forgive if it doesn't lead to further harm.

An insult sounds like my boss saying, "You don't have a sense of humor" because I was tired of put-downs from him. Had he said, "You use Sensing more than iNtuition," I wouldn't have felt like challenging him to 30 paces at dawn.
 

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No. It would suggest a level of real world attentiveness and competence which I severely lack. Saying I was S would indicate self-improvement.
 

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I always looked as the S as like, you're very aware of you're surroundings, so it's like you'd be a super awesome hunter or you would be the guy who doesn't trip all the time like me.

I see nothing wrong with being called an S, simply because I see nothing wrong with actually being an S. The simple contrast is just that S's are more in touch with reality, weras N's are more in touch with the inner mind (and other peoples minds?). I think the pro's and con's of that are pretty straight forward

Personally I like being my goofy aloof self who has lots of crazy thoughts (N) but I don't see why S's wouldn't be capable of being cool people. As for someone actually acusing me of being S. Well I would just be confused and wonder where this person is getting their information from. Then a talking session may occur where I explain as much as I possibly could about S's and N's and then ask him for his new conculsion of which letter I am. If he still calls me an S...then I would probably be talking to a really stupid person.

So I guess would'nt be insulted, but I would just think the person acusing me is really fukkin stupid or that he was just horribly mis-informed. I simply don't see how anyone could see me as being an S, I mean that would just be calling it waaaaaay off. I mean I constantly day dream and am just in general never aware of any......okay that's it for the ramblings of this post. I find nothing wrong with S's, just mis-informed and/or stupid people. :)
 

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Heh, I've actually thought I was an S some 2 years ago upon scoring as one on my very first MBTI test, and in all honesty I don't think I'd mind being one. (it wouldn't matter either way if I was actually one) There are a lot of qualities essential for survival, especially those in relation to Se, that I sorely lack. And I'd still get to keep Ti. :D
 

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/agree with TK

One of the things I try to do (when I remember) is to make myself be more present of my surroundings.

If somebody were to tell me I was a Sensor they probably would have caught me in on of my 10-15sec moments of presence.
 

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i wouldn't be insulted being called ISTP, ISFP, ESTP, ESFP. i wouldn't be insulted at all.

ISTJ, however...


sensors are not any stupider or lesser than intuitives. it's just a different way of thinking. keyword being DIFFERENT.
the stigma attached to SJ is in a completely different field though -- it implies traditional, authoritative, etc. which is really the opposite of everything the xNxP stands for.
maybe it's juvenile to consider that an insult, but for somebody like me it's A) impossible to mistake me for an SJ (so you'd have to be trying to push my buttons to call me one) and B) got a bad connotation carried with it.

but like i said. just sensing? not insulting at all. some of my best friends are sensors. (...they're also black. and jewish. at the same time.)
 

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(already posted my thoughts in previously mentioned thread and kind of triggered this one to start, but going to post anyways)
YES! being confused with a sensor is offensive, to me at least. i mean, not truly offended just kind of irked by it.
 

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Heh, I've actually thought I was an S some 2 years ago upon scoring as one on my very first MBTI test, and in all honesty I don't think I'd mind being one. (it wouldn't matter either way if I was actually one) There are a lot of qualities essential for survival, especially those in relation to Se, that I sorely lack. And I'd still get to keep Ti. :D
Me too, when I first discovered MBTI in my Small group communication text book. I blame it on the bad descriptions:

Sensors like facts and figures

"Hmm, I like facts and figures... ISTP it is."
 

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It depends on intention. More often than not it's intended as such on MBTI forums, usually by people who are heavily biased towards considering N better (whether they understand the S/N difference and type correctly is another matter). They don't like you so they call you what they consider inferior. INTJs are a remarkable exception there.
 

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To me, the insult is not the label per se, it's the underlying implication that your own judgment of yourself, whom you know better than anyone, is false. That would mean your own incapability of simple understanding of who you are. I know myself better than anyone else, and if you don't agree, then that to me is an insult. (not that I'm sure of my type.)
 

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If someone where to try to insult me by calling me an S I'd laugh them out of the room. Seriously? Who says crap like that? Besides, I like who I am and I'm confident in who I am so I don't bother to get upset about that kind of stuff. Perhaps, as others have said, it would be nice to be an S. I'd be good at some of the things I currently suck at. :p

i wouldn't be insulted being called ISTP, ISFP, ESTP, ESFP. i wouldn't be insulted at all.

ISTJ, however...

I've run across this before in this forum. I don't really understand why people dislike ISTJs so much. I recently discovered that my best friend is an ISTJ. We are really close and understand each other well. Meh. Who knows.
 

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well i'm not saying that all SJ's are assholes or anything. there's just a tendency to clash. i mean, i can hang out with them just fine, you know, be buddies and everything -- but i have a big, big problem trying to go into any depth. they just don't seem interested. and there's also a a tendency (emphasis on tendency) for them to be very... what's the word... you know, traditionally conservative or whatever. which for me personally is a turnoff.
 

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Depends on which S-function they consider. I would enjoy a helping of Se in my cognition, but I would hate to be labeled a traditionalist (not that that's possible; I'm about as unconventional as it gets).
 

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if an intp needed to spy would he use his S like istp

which is better intp spy or istp spy i know this is psuedoscience and a ridicilious question

istp = aware of surroundings, quick to act, most likely to get into a gun battle

Intp = aware of surroundings but uses strategy for his surroundings, uses intellect rather than a "quick to act" nature to get him out of trouble. most likely to not get into a gun battle because the intp would already have an idea to prevent it or probably set up a trap to discard the opponents weapon iknow psuedoscience but i like to imagine shit up and hopefully ill get a scientific response from my fellow intps?

istj's are conservative non risky and to boring, follow the rules, dogmatic, non creative? logical left brained analytical in a bad way? because they are S i mean if your analytical and your N thats a diff story

anyone want to add to the istp V intp spying style dichotomy if it is even possible to specualte/theorize the spying sytle of the two? this is the curse of the intp and the imagination of intps, askign questions like these. i swear one day when i am rich a billionare i ought to make statistics.com where they have all the statistical reports typed in 2 sentence very easy to read. i will get 2 spies. istp and intp and tell them about their style of spying

btw is there such a website as statistics.com?
 

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I actually wouldn't assume that Si-doms are always traditional. Si isn't really about social norms and traditions, that's more the realm of Fe and to a lesser extent, Te. Si is about one's experience and following that dogmatically, not necessarily society's dogma. I mean, sure, the Si-doms that grow up in strict, religious, traditional households will almost certainly defend those experiences with a passion, whether they make sense or not. But I'm sure there are many who grow up in progressive environments and go on to defend those too. They basically collect the consistent sensory content of their experience over time, and then push that onto the world. Depending on culture, that content will vary, and may not always lend to them seeming the least bit "traditional." (read: Si-doms' experiences become personal tradition, reflecting the customs of only the small sphere in which they live. Some spheres are anything but traditional.)

As for the topic, I can see how it might seem an insult. One may feel certain aspects of themselves, mainly creativity, are being ignored if someone thinks them an S. They may be insulted at the impression that they're not being understood or "known" at all. But then, it may simply mean they have developed their S function well and are being mistaken for an S, which I'd say is a good thing.

Or, it may mean they are really an S. Being called something you didn't think you were can be frustrating because it tends to make you reconsider who you are, especially if you're not certain to begin with. People who are prone to paranoid indecisiveness (like INTPs) may not like the question being opened up again, knowing their tendency to agonize over it endlessly.

And in general, the pros of Nness are typically highlighted more than the pros of Sness, making some feel that being an S would make them somehow inferior. People's egos can become enmeshed in the idea of being something, rather than just being it. When this happens, you need to quit thinking about typology for a while and go for a walk.
 

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I agree with Words: if I tell someone I'm INTP and they insist that I'm something else, that's annoying, even if it's ENTP or INTJ. This was especially true for a short time after I discovered my type, since I got it caught up with my "who I am."

I used to be pretty attached to being an "N" type, until I realized that what I really am is a geek. Obsession with academic pursuits and ideas doesn't seem to be limited to N-types per se, though N-types are perhaps significantly more inclined to focus on such things. I also thought S-types were kinda the "oh, you don't really have any special talents but your a nice person" type people until I noticed how much some people pride themselves on their work-ethic and dedication and being useful.
 

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As an INFP or ENFJ... if somebody called me a sensor?

1) It depends on who said it, the manner by which they said it, the degree of seriousness by which they said it, and so on. Sometimes, I will decide to joke back to test what's going on, or to see if they meant it. Other times, I will joke and tease them if I think they meant it to push my buttons, and try to refrain from going into a heated talk, which I have the strong tendency to do. I can't help it.

2) They could be projecting themselves in me. They could have characteristics of an N personality although they are S, and really value these characteristics in relation to being an S that when they see it in me, they will class me as an S as well.

3) I am very good with multi-tasking and managing the environment to the Tee. I can be active till the end. I like to get things done, most of the time, although I have my share of delaying, and as a result, regrets. Thus, to be called an S, would mean they see me doing what Sensors identify with the most. I have noticed how in tune they are with the "real" world, and are always up for activities. If I ask them to do anything with regards to helping me out in this "real" world they just know how it all happens, because they are used to it.

4) The way people perceived me in the past, may be a reason as to why they would call me an S. They are associating me to my past behaviour or what I'd rather say "their perceptions of me in the past", hence, taking me as a sensor. Often what I've noticed about sensors is that they need convincing, mostly practically, to realize the difference, unless I go all abstract in my conversations which makes them go HUH? and not necessarily YOU'RE AN INTUITIVE?! More like "weirdo, pfft"... to know an intuitive you have to relate to one, I suppose.

5) I could be trying to fit in or keep up with the crowd, and be mistaken as a Sensor, although this is very unlikely as people still see me as me. However, if I really bury my true self in a public setting... :confused:
A similar situation is me not opening up my "N" side to people and preferring to joke and go all hilarious and social instead. So if anyone brings up something N, I will tag along with it, but not for so long unless we were conversing one on one.

6) One major reason why I would be called a sensor, or anyone for that matter, is being avoidant of something in order to regain something else. What I mean by this is that one would need to operate like a sensor without losing their true N side, only because it seems like an effective tool to deliver what they really stand for, because it simply works with perhaps the majority of people. At times, this sort of tool is what one will be comfortable with, and begin to appear like a sensor. I may want to deliver a good point that may be of use to people, or a talent/ability of mine that I'd like to see in action and for others to acknowledge as well.

7) Sometimes, I DO prefer Sensor traits. And I will go with how I feel. Deep down however, N runs in me, and I find myself clashing with other sensors despite preferring sensing traits in certain situations.

8) Those rare moments when I want to be anything but me, out of exhaustion or misunderstandings or not just getting up and doing it, I will put myself in a situation where I can be somebody otherwise -- and although I would still come off as an N, sometimes in such cases I will appear like a sensor.

These are some of the possibilities as to why people would call me a sensor, or even think that I am. Do I find it offensive to be called a sensor? Not if it wasn't intended. In fact, I'd get intrigued as to know from the person who said that I'm a sensor, why do I come off as one? However, I find it important to make them understand and/or realize that I'm an intuitive or at least there will be points where my strongly carved values and stances in life could clash into their's and that they don't have to assume I am like them in most instances. I do worry that what if they expect me to be like them or hope that it'd be the case. I am very open to learning and growing with people, be it sensors or intuitives. However, I will not sacrifice my true-self, despite having the tendency to set myself aside from time to time. Nothing's an offense, except if it was intended, and sometimes I mistaken somebody's intention to mean one thing when it meant something else.
 

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Yeah, being labeled as S is an insult.
 

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Only if you're really judgemental about everything (e.g. Myer-Briggs).
 

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Being called a sensor is not as positive as being called intuitive. I associate intuitive with imaginative and intelligent, as well as being able to see the big picture fairly easily.
Sensors might have good common sense, but they are better at building physical things rather than ideas. Something I appreciate more than anything else. (the idea part that is)
 

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No. It would suggest a level of real world attentiveness and competence which I severely lack. Saying I was S would indicate self-improvement.

Exactly. Well said.

I live in a house of SJs, and not a day goes by when I wish that I, too, had their attention to detail and large reserve of life skills. Plus, I know it gets on their nerves when I don't notice things they think I should.

... Being an S would be really nice.
 
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