INTPs are the homicidal, sociopathic type.

[FacetiousPersona]

Wikipedia only contains the truth.

 

[Jules]

Just like newspapers, they never lie

 

[Da Blob]

I can't disagree with the Wiki assessment, I wonder how many terrorists are INTPs?
I know I can only be 'pushed' so far, myself...

 

[FacetiousPersona]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Kaczynski

If he was never caught, his acts would have escalated, I believe.

 

[Dissident]

Actually, although I never get into fights or anything (my friends would probably tell you that Im one of the most peaceful persons they know), sometimes I hit things or myself in the unusual ocasions I get angry or the more frequent ones when I get frustrated. If I ever got into a fist fight or something violent like that it would probably be a conscious decision and not a burst of uncontrollable rage, I wouldnt regret it.
Homicidal? Astronomically unlikely. Sociopathic? Its a vague term, I dont think so.

The "appropiately provoked" part is tricky, it doesnt depend on the other person that much, I think there is no recipe to make me lose my temper. In similar situations I could either get upset but dont say/do anything, ignore the offense or whatever happened, laugh at it, etc, depending on subtle things that most wouldnt notice or cant be noticed at all.

 

[FacetiousPersona]

If I become angry, I become critical and attack people's competence/intelligence/personality.

 

[Da Blob]

If I become angry, I become critical and attack people's competence/intelligence/personality.

Yes, fortunately I have never felt the need to express my anger physically...
I seem to have a knack for more or less destroying via words...
It is a more sophisticated form of vengeance...

 

[Dissident]

Are you angry with us?

 

[FacetiousPersona]

No, I have not seriously criticized anyone here. It takes a lot for me to become angry.

 

[Dissident]

Note to myself: Do not forget the smileys, they help.

 

[EditorOne]

"INTPs are the homicidal, sociopathic type. "

Very interesting and certainly plausible. Although psychopath is possible too, but sociopath would get my first vote: Zealous pursuit of a principle, perhaps unfathomable to others, with passion not checked by a functioning emotional barometer and feedback system. Yeah, I like it. Finally, a new career field ...

 

[Jordan~]

Kaczinsky was interesting. For one whom I ought to be vehemently opposed to (him being a Neo-Luddite, and me being a transhumanist) I find a lot of what he has to say to make sense...

 

[FacetiousPersona]

Kaczinsky was interesting. For one whom I ought to be vehemently opposed to (him being a Neo-Luddite, and me being a transhumanist) I find a lot of what he has to say to make sense...

I'm transhumanist too, but I acknowledge neo-luddite views. Two theories regarding a subject may both make sense, but only one should be correct if they do not coincide together logically. You should think of them both as possibilities and consider each of them. Some opinions are difficult to disprove/prove and are open for discussion, hence the field of philosophy. I have my own beliefs with philosophy, but I am not very opposed towards certain beliefs within it that are not my own.

 

[hopefulmonster]

no stereotypes about intps being too lazy to actually commit a murder yet?

 

[Anthile]

no stereotypes about intps being too lazy to actually commit a murder yet?

Well, the scary thing is that INTX presumably could get away with a murder. Or even worse, no one would even notice the murder...

But otherwise: "When all you have is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail."
— Abraham Maslow

 

[hopefulmonster]

Well, the scary thing is that INTX presumably could get away with a murder. Or even worse, no one would even notice the murder...

But otherwise: "When all you have is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail."
— Abraham Maslow

Getting away with murder is all about details...that seems like a sensors forte.

 

[FacetiousPersona]

Some people think George Bush was good at 'getting away' with indirect murder legally. Not to the public, of course, as it seems. Aaah, politicians guiding and generals directing.

 

[Artifice Orisit]

My mum thinks I'm a sociopath. No, I'm not.

But then I think she is a bipolar-sycopath, so it evens out.

 

[zxc]

Note to myself: Do not forget the smileys, they help.

It's amazing how useful smileys are in online conversation. They can distill the tension and ease the other participant like nothing else can

 

[Perseus]

A whole lot of Guardians (SJ) have got it in for me. They even moan about the clothes I wear. But it seems that the apotropaic large green Turtle is the worst offence.

Psychedelic NP Personality Forum
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Psychedelic-Personality/

 

[FacetiousPersona]

It's amazing how useful smileys are in online conversation. They can distill the tension and ease the other participant like nothing else can

This is true, my friend.

 

[paradoxfromthebay]

I agree. I hold my emotions in until they rupture the surface as violently explosive outburts. I haven't had any in awhile. After I was hospitalized when I was 14 due to my lack of anger management, I finally learned to keep my anger in check. It still rises to the surface sometimes, but I am usually able to control it before it gets to the violent stage.

There are plenty of people who would be dead right now if I had known at the time that I couldn't get caught. My form of INTP logical justification tells me that human life is not really any more important than the life of a mosquito. We experiences it as being more important subjectively, because humans are closer to us. For that same reason, we are more emotional about killing a monkey than a cow, because the monkey is more closely related to who we are. If some alien race started raising and harvesting us for slaughter and consumption, we would look at it as a horrific and genocidal holocaust. But we do the same thing to animals. I'm not a vegetarian by any means, but as a carnivore I acknowlege my own hypocrisies. Life is a hierarchy and we all live and we all die. How we live and how we die is much more important to us than it is to the creator which is one swirling vortex of manifestation, neither losing or gaining anything. Energy is never created or destroyed, it only changes shape.

I hope I'm not encouraging the next serial killer, but yes, I think it is well within the framework of the INTP personality

 

[Artifice Orisit]

For the record, if you are the next serial killer, I do encourage you.
Go, kill them, go on, you can do it.

This is a great spectator sport.

 

[cheese]

I tend not to get physically violent, though I used to when I was younger. Most of my anger I direct inwards so I don't destroy anything outside. Usually if physical expression is necessary I hurt myself. Other times I end up snapping incoherently at people. I almost never stay angry though and have a well-developed F "barometer" as someone else mentioned that helps keep me in check.
*I'm also extremely reflective and able to see exactly where both parties have gone wrong (it's not usually solely one person's fault). This helps me calm down as I realise there is blame on both sides; from there I attempt discussion, analysis and reconciliation with the other party through specific remorse. Often the problem is vague apologies, leading one to believe the blame is all on the other party's side.

I'm actually surprised so many here think us more likely to be murderers. Surely * stem from INTP traits - the ability to draw fine distinctions and detect faulty premises (taking an inflammatory situation to be an argument trying to prove self-righteous anger as a logical outcome). Perhaps when Fe is roused Ti completely fails to function. Also I was raised in a very balanced, supportive and understanding family (all Ns!) so maybe my approach is the result of more balanced functions and hence a more idealised version of INTP responses.

 

[naberus]

Scary to think, although I already knew that you guys can become frightening when your Fe takes over.

As demonstrated here (Keep an eye on the ugly creature with the green poncho and vertical mouth): YouTube- Digital Devil Saga 1 Cut-Scene: 12 [Muladhara]

 

[Artifice Orisit]

No, I highly doubt an INTP would commit murder out of anger; such acts require a physically combative mindset and extreme emotional duress. Simply such a situation is theoretically possible, but would be very rare for an INTP in a real-world context.

More likely an extreme conflict of interests would trigger an act of homicide; we require time to consider our actions and a motivation to carry them out. Emotional morality is a minor factor in the INTP mind, possibly to the point that a strong reason for doing something will force it into a secondary consideration role.

...Possibly a combination of extreme emotional duress & a strong conflict of interests would provide the most likely means to make an INTP homicidal.

 

[The Fury]

Well, i did threaten to kill someone once but only because i believed he was intent on harming a very close friend of mine. My motivation was partly directed out of anger but more out of defending a loved one.

I don't truly believe i would have killed even though i had a knife in my hand, but I'll never really know if i could have justified the act.

 

[sybyll]

Hmm... I don't know about socipathic or homocidal, but I definitely resorted to violence a lot as a kid, when sufficiently angered. When I get angry, I usually get really quiet (and then sort of explode, figuratively), so of course I got teased... "Oh look, now she's really angry, haha..."

And then someone got a fist to the face...

When I'd calmed down a bit, I'd critisize their intelligence. Come to think of it, I still do that - violence isn't a viable alternative anymore - I can go to jail now, you know.

 

[cheese]

^so of course I got teased... "Oh look, now she's really angry, haha..."

I get this too, but it's especially frustrating because I'm not actually annoyed before they say it. Someone will bring up an invalid point, which I will try to counter. Apparently having facts and logic at your disposal is a sign of "anger".

 

[Parodyofme]

I think INTPs can have a cold, calculating nature. What would probably happen is one would get angered, provoked in some way to the point of making the decision to kill. From there, zie they would start plotting, working out the details, setting things up. We are known to have a point-of-no-return tendency, but in the end, our laziness might just save their life!

 

[Artifice Orisit]

Imagine a motivated INTP, scary stuff.

 

[Atriamax]

I believe it, although for me, ive never gotten in a physical fight, or non physical at that, if someone pisses me off I just kind of discard it. If I hate someone i just think how pathetic they are. The thing is i dont give in, if someone insults me i don't care, i just ignore. then , the insulter then thinks they won. (but in my mind they are pathetic.)

 

[PhillyFanWA]

^ Ding, I'm the same unless I get really really pissed off... then it's butt kicking time. But I mostly ignore or avoid unpleasant people.

 

[echoplex]

Wikipedia only contains the truth.

All hail the mighty Wikigods! (wow, what an SJ thing to say...)

I do think we have an easier time rationalizing our actions. Without Fe, Ti can't always tell the difference between right and wrong, leaving morals possibly useless. I suppose that's where Ne comes in to remind Ti "this could be wrong, you know."

 

[Kuu]

I think that if sufficiently provoked... yeah. But considering how much provoking one must do in order to reach that... probably other types would've snapped much earlier...

 

[Dylan]

I'm not sure I could be bothered to murder someone. To get to the point of comitting the act would involve tacit admission that what happens outside my head is actually real. Not to mention totally buggering up that impartial observer thing I've been working on for years. Finally, I'm not ready (willing; capable?) to admit that mere emotions could force me into a decision.


Planning a murder, however; that sounds like fun. I reckon a 'perfect murder' is possible. It's all a question angles. You've got to work these things out.

Btw "Hi"

 

[Ermine]

I'm just not physical with my anger. Couldn't do it even if I felt like it.

 

[Chronomar]

If I were to commit murder...it would only be because:

a.) I went insane (plausible)

b.) Someone or some event completly and utterly destroyed everything I ever cherished and believed in or is threatening to do so.

c.) Something so violated my principles that it overcame my other principle of not killing things

d.) Somebody killed my cat (directly related to a).

If I were to do so, it would either be something I did without realizing what I was actually doing (Fe gets emotional and out of control, it would have to be something big, though) or go insane, in which case, I would be like the crazy person in Poe's, "The Tell-Tale Heart", I think.

 

[Artifice Orisit]

e.) I'm being adequately paid.

d.) It was the most rational course of action.
(extenuating circumstances obviously)

f.) Another "me" somehow makes his way into my dimension.
(Technically I have every right to kill "myself")

 

[DrSketchpad]

I've always heard that ENTPs are more of the sociopathic type and INTPs are the ones that are the total psycopaths when it comes down to that.

 

[Proletar]

The "appropiately provoked" part is tricky, it doesnt depend on the other person that much, I think there is no recipe to make me lose my temper. In similar situations I could either get upset but dont say/do anything, ignore the offense or whatever happened, laugh at it, etc, depending on subtle things that most wouldnt notice or cant be noticed at all.

Appropriately provoked... Doesn't this count for each and every individual on the planet? If I've learnt anything from the upper pop-culture of the 20:th century, it must be that everyone can be a killer, or a serial-killer, if they are set under the right circumstances.


Just see the Jokers message in The Dark Knight.


So to sum it up, the assumption is watered down to transparency.

 

[nanook]

@wiki

don't notice the elephant

 

[TriflinThomas]

I had a plan to kill my brother, one night. Earlier that week, I had found that the corner of the top bunk (which I slept in) could potentially fall, and the corner would hit directly where my brother laid his head at night (I had found this out completely on accident). See, my brother (who I assume is also an INTP) is the only person who can send me into a blind rage. Anywayssssssss, I had it all planned out to kill him and it would look like an accident but I decided to go to bed instead.

 

[nanook]

not good enough. god was telling you, through your thoughts, that there is a danger to your brother's live. you should remove that top bunk from it's dangerous position and save your brother's life from an accident, when the next minor earth quake hits or a particularly heavy train goes through town, instead of interpreting the inspiration as a fantasy of murder.

btw im just bringing god into that, because i'm currently involved in discussions with christians. talking the talk. all thought is metaphor.

 

[TriflinThomas]

I am God.

 

[nanook]

me too

but were not allowed to say that, when christians are around

 

[TriflinThomas]

You let them in?!

 

[ejaramillo7]

I don't believe sociopathic is a term that should correlate with an intp. Sociopaths are in a league of their own cold, jealous, domineering. They are master manipulators who choose victims based on what they can get out of them. Parasitic would be the best term to describe a sociopath taking everything from the victim and giving nothing in return. They don't have the capacity for attachment to other human beings and feel no emotion what so ever. Since relationships don't occupy their time; they have plenty of time to plot against their victims. They actually account for a significant amount of the population at an estimated 4 percent. They go throughout society undetected because of their ability to put on facades better than a professional actor and because of their charming nature. Like a wolf disguised in sheep skin. What is similar in an intp is the chameleon like nature that has been developed for different reasons; not so much like in the sociopaths desire to use and cause havoc in their victims lives. Intp's also repress their emotions which may give the illusion of being somewhat sociopathic but I believe for most it is not the case. Sociopaths have no consciences and can do anything and everything with out feeling the slightest bit of remorse. Along with their ultimate confidence in themselves they can draw in their victims and create an addictive cycle with their abusive ways.

 

[pjoa09]

I don't believe sociopathic is a term that should correlate with an intp. Sociopaths are in a league of their own cold, jealous, domineering. They are master manipulators who choose victims based on what they can get out of them. Parasitic would be the best term to describe a sociopath taking everything from the victim and giving nothing in return. They don't have the capacity for attachment to other human beings and feel no emotion what so ever. Since relationships don't occupy their time; they have plenty of time to plot against their victims. They actually account for a significant amount of the population at an estimated 4 percent. They go throughout society undetected because of their ability to put on facades better than a professional actor and because of their charming nature. Like a wolf disguised in sheep skin. What is similar in an intp is the chameleon like nature that has been developed for different reasons; not so much like in the sociopaths desire to use and cause havoc in their victims lives. Intp's also repress their emotions which may give the illusion of being somewhat sociopathic but I believe for most it is not the case. Sociopaths have no consciences and can do anything and everything with out feeling the slightest bit of remorse. Along with their ultimate confidence in themselves they can draw in their victims and create an addictive cycle with their abusive ways.

No they are not INTPs! They are ENTPs with ASPD! IT's completely different!

 

[walfin]

When approprately provoked, the ESFJ may resort to extreme violence as a solution, establishing their image as an aggressive personality type of the MBTI. The ESFJ's aversion to rational thought, causing them to act based on strong emotion, and their poor capacity for putting order to their principles, is the scariest aspect of this type. This is a result of their Ti and Fe interacting as inferior and dominant.

Y'know. Just saying.