INTPf Mafia #3: Do you even rift?

[PmjPmj]

You're wrong, but I like the way you're thinking.

 

[Sinny91]

I feel like you aren't changing your reads based on new information.

Right now, I feel like you all suck eggs.

 

[Helvete]

well at the moment it's 4vs2 so a myslynch then NK leads to a loss so we need absolute certainty on who we lynch today. A no lynch will drag out the game and bring us to lynch or lose. So I agree that we do in fact have to lynch, but not before everyone is active and participating. Basically if anyone lurks right now they are not playing to towns win condition and are ruining the game.
It's paramount that we have the activity needed so we can actually make accurate reads.

Note: Helvete and Blarraun are both requesting that we deliberately cut this game short.

OK so today you'd prefer to let people carry on lurking, push for a no lynch and then try and correctly lynch scum tomorrow? I would prefer to aim for a lynch today as it acts to pressure the lurkers. I wasn't joking when I said we need more activity. So after a no lynch, scum take the NK then we enter tomorrow in Lylo. Yes this outcome buys more time but it still enables people to lurk, which isn't going to help us lynch scum. My reasons arnt the same as blars yet they stem from the inactivity ruining it.
Basically, if we get it wrong today we lose and if we get it wrong tomorrow, we lose. If we get it right today it dramatically increases towns chances of winning. Then the NK and its 3vs1 day4. I'm not requesting to cut the game short, I'm urging more activity to more accurately pin point scum for towns win.

I just wanted to check in quickly before bed. I'm off from work tomorrow (unexpectedly) so will share my thoughts when I wake. I really hope more people can weigh in by then.

 

[Sinny91]

Pm
Fukyo
Seteleechete
Sinny
Helvete
Blarraun

Who exactly is lurking ?

 

[Sinny91]

Blarraun actually listed Helvete as one of the lurkers, a page back, along with PMJ.

 

[Helvete]

Pmj and sete have been absent since yesterday (I'm aware they have posted since, which I want to address tomorrow) but they've offered very little. Pmj especially gas basically said nothing, but he said he would. Am I just impatient? Lol
I still want to hear more from fukyo and blar.

Yeah I see they all have technically shown up for class, but they're pretty disengaged as it stands and I just wish for some more involvement. Grr just post more :P

 

[Fukyo]

Sinny gets asked questions and she goes full retard and tells people to suck dicks and eggs?


Not surprised. Don't get mad you got caught redhanded. This hostility is unwarranted and highly suspicious.


Your game sucks Sinny, regardless of your affiliation, your excuses are lame and you're throwing tantrums because you have no better defense. You lied that your edit was just typos. I clearly saw a new paragraph concerning Shapelog appear and you moved another one to the top of your post. Specifically the one about keeping votes off yourself.

Tantrums aren't doing you any favors. You're not confirmed anything. I'm town in my POV too. Step up your game. Calling for no lynch is another effort to save your ass.



Due to PMJ and Sete absence I am reading them as possible scum buddies atm, they feel very much like they're not invested in the game, which seems to fit with disinterested scum observing the town as it cannibalizes itself from the sidelines.


Helvete is uncertain too. The only one I feel semi confident is town atm is Blarraun, but I am concerned about his switch to Shapelog.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

If you think sinny is scum who is her most likely partner?

Call me paranoid but Fukyo Sinny team seem very feasible to me at the moment of reading your post and when I left my last message.

Both get a rise out of another and if one fails the other will become vindicated for as long as they need to win.

 

[Fukyo]

Why do we even have the no edit rule when no one respects it?


That offends me Blarraun.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Who's 'All'???

Blar Voted Fuckyo first, which I was happy with, then he switched to Spacelog, which I WASNT HAPPY WITH.

Sweet and you decided not to defend Shapelog or not express your disagreement and instead voted on him knowing he was at least VT if not PR? That makes total sense if you are mafia actually, wait...you don't mean to turn it around and say you're town, do you have us for idiots?

Well at least there is finally some consensus.. But only less than 10 minutes left.

Speak up and cast your votes.

Helvete, I agree.. But I've only got ten minutes to work with here.

and then your basic vote on shape without any info whatsoever. Actually you should've told us what you were thinking about shape before the night since you could easily become the night kill, instead you chose to not make any significant contribution of any kind and just followed the crowd.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Why do we even have the no edit rule when no one respects it?


That offends me Blarraun.

I had to pee so under pressure hence mistakes...hence edit? It was a slight edit, I had to get the idiom: "to get a rise out of sbd" instead "to get a raise off sbd".

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

????????

So you are asking us to basically throw the game because you can't be arsed?

Wow, and I thought I might have been the worst player here. How wrong I was.

Cut this undermining crap you're doing right now.

If you think no lynch gives you any more to work with than you can get right now, there's something obviously crazy about it. You would have to have absolutely no reads on anyone to think that having 1 less will make your chances better.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Helvete is uncertain too. The only one I feel semi confident is town atm is Blarraun, but I am concerned about his switch to Shapelog.

You are concerned with me taking a vote off you and going after Shapelog? I'd go after PMJ but I'm going to assume lurks aren't scum, if they are then I won't accept their win because I had no way of interacting with them.

That's the main reason why I leave PMJ alone and I think Hel and Sete are less scummy than they could be.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Also yeah I know, availability bias, dunning-kruger, post-hoc, etc. I guess if I can't win I'll play just so I can feel okay about losing this one.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Obviously I'll change my mind about that if we hit scum with this one. I may go after lurks during the next day phase if any of you can persuade me. So far I need Sinny to persuade me of her town value. Not sure if this is even possible at this point.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Fukyu-Sinny is a no go
Fukyu-Blar is a no go
Fukyu-Helvete is possible
Fukyu-PMJ is possible

Interesting pairings, can you explain a bit how you arrived at them?

So going by this system the two topmost suspects would be Fukyo and PMJ? Because those two seem to have the highest amount of available pairs.

 

[Sinny91]

Sinny gets asked questions and she goes full retard and tells people to suck dicks and eggs?

I didn't tell anyone to suck dick, and if I was going to, it would have been to you.

And the phrase was "you all suck eggs", which is my way of saying that the narrative going down at that time absolutely sucked, from my POV.

I didn't insert a paragraph at all.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

And what do you say to:
Sete-Sinny possible
Sete-Helvete possible
Sete-PMJ not possible
Sete-Fukyo possible
?

 

[Sinny91]

Sweet and you decided not to defend Shapelog or not express your disagreement and instead voted on him knowing he was at least VT if not PR? That makes total sense if you are mafia actually, wait...you don't mean to turn it around and say you're town, do you have us for idiots?

and then your basic vote on shape without any info whatsoever. Actually you should've told us what you were thinking about shape before the night since you could easily become the night kill, instead you chose to not make any significant contribution of any kind and just followed the crowd.

So what if your version of events is true?

It's completely irrelevant if I'm a bad Townie, because the only thing that's relevant right now is if I'm town or not.

You don't get to lynch bad town, so deal with it.

 

[Sinny91]

Obviously I'll change my mind about that if we hit scum with this one. I may go after lurks during the next day phase if any of you can persuade me. So far I need Sinny to persuade me of her town value. Not sure if this is even possible at this point.

Well I'm about to get drunk, and I personally don't enjoy interacting with any of you right now..

I'm Town, do as thou wilt, is the whole of the law.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

So what if your version of events is true?

It's completely irrelevant if I'm a bad Townie, because the only thing that's relevant right now is if I'm town or not.

You don't get to lynch bad town, so deal with it.

Alright, can I take it to mean that you admit you are a bad townie?

 

[Sinny91]

Alright, can I take it to mean that you admit you are a bad townie?

Why am I the bad Townie? You all suck just as much.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Well I'm about to get drunk, and I personally don't enjoy interacting with any of you right now..

I'm Town, do as thou wilt, is the whole of the law.

Sure, I don't endorse alcohol but have fun somehow...

(We all suck at this game and we all are learning, take no permanent offence to what I've been saying about you n' stuff)

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Why am I the bad Townie? You all suck just as much.

I guess we will if you are VT. You've just given up on your defence completely. I'll wait and see if you try to do something about it later or admit you sucked.

Anyway, I would be a fool not to act on my promise for now so I'll keep my sights on you.

 

[Sinny91]

I haven't given up on my defense, my defense has already been stated..
What are we, on a round about?

Anyway, a page ago I 'looked scummy' for defending myself so much... I'm starting to wonder if it's not your job to keep this round about turning.

Either way, I'm getting off it.

You are spending far too much time on me, and not enough time on others.

PMJ, whatever the fuck you are doing, you are now ruining the game, watever fucking team you're on.

I can't see past Fukyo's usual holier than thou attitude..
She has the perfect personality for scum veneer.

(In additional whatever else I said on the Gopher/Fukyo case)

Also, a number of my questions have gone unaddressed by you and Helvete.

I don't know why your so fixated on me... Well, I could think of one reason..

 

[Fukyo]

THATS THE FUCKING IDEA YOU MORON . NO TO GET LYNCHED. I ANSWERED PEOPLES QUESTIONS, AND CAST MY VOTES. I DONE EVERYTHING I HAD TO AS A TOWNS PERSON. PAY ATTENTION BECAUSE I WILL NOT BE REPEATING MYSELF.



Obviously, the attention was there, considering I was directly responding to peoples questions. Again, moron.



Shit scared of what exactly? And I am scum hunting.. What do you want a fucking picture diagram?


I'm pissed at RB for not being hot on the vote counts, and I'm pissed that every lynch looks like its gunna crash the forum. I'm pissed with your holier than thou attitude, when I haven't seen you contribute huge amounts to this game either. Suck my fucking dick.

QFT

Emphasis mine



I don't get why you have to lie about something that's easily disproven.

You are concerned with me taking a vote off you and going after Shapelog? I'd go after PMJ but I'm going to assume lurks aren't scum, if they are then I won't accept their win because I had no way of interacting with them.

That's the main reason why I leave PMJ alone and I think Hel and Sete are less scummy than they could be.

I am aware you lifted your vote from me and switched to Shapelog. Here's the thing. Shapelog was Hado's second suspect, meaning you took his idea and ran with it. What I want to know if you thought he was scum according to your own judgment. Likewise, with Helvete, you're clearing him of doubt because Hado seemed to trust him. I don't see your judgment in there.

Why is Sete not scummy? He's been around today but dropped a single post. There's nothing saying the lurkers aren't scummy.

 

[Sinny91]

Note: Fukyo is repeatedly misrepresenting the things I say.. Not very Townlike now is it?

 

[Sinny91]

QFT

Emphasis mine

I don't get why you have to lie about something that's easily disproven.

The simple answer is that it's not a lie. That was an exclamation of exasperation, not a suggestion to anyone in particular.

I am aware you lifted your vote from me and switched to Shapelog. Here's the thing. Shapelog was Hado's second suspect, meaning you took his idea and ran with it. What I want to know if you thought he was scum according to your own judgment.

In my mind I thought Space log to be Bullet Proof OR mafia. due to some triggering things I saw in his posts. Add that to what I have said previously on the matter.

Likewise, with Helvete, you're clearing him of doubt because Hado seemed to trust him. I don't see your judgment in there.

I haven't cleared Helvete of 'doubt'???

Why is Sete not scummy? He's been around today but dropped a single post. There's nothing saying the lurkers aren't scummy.

I just think some of you are scummier than him.

Now, are you two going to continue to derail this day by continuing on your attempts to engineer a Sinny wagon?

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

I am aware you lifted your vote from me and switched to Shapelog. Here's the thing. Shapelog was Hado's second suspect, meaning you took his idea and ran with it. What I want to know if you thought he was scum according to your own judgment. Likewise, with Helvete, you're clearing him of doubt because Hado seemed to trust him. I don't see your judgment in there.

Why is Sete not scummy? He's been around today but dropped a single post. There's nothing saying the lurkers aren't scummy.

Shapelog wasn't my suspect at all, he was null read. I didn't lynch you because I was unhappy about the way you were introduced in the middle of the game where you already had to go into personal blow exchange with Hado, though I still don't get your random hate dump on Gopher but that's not game related and your own problem. And so I opted for Shapelog lurk removal rather than giving you no chance at this game whatsoever.

I liked the way Helvete spiked his activity in the morning, I think it's a green signal. I can imagine he was busy after he replaced, but still eager enough to jump into the game despite its sorry and most likely lost state. I'm also going with my whole "if lurks were scum shame on you, you suck big time, this is not a valid win".

I don't give much credit to Hado's reads actually because he was clearly misleading everyone and trying to outsmart the scum while putting pressure where it was required so orderly chaos on his part. I've been mentioning I was relying on his reads mostly to see how others react to that statement as you had for example.

 

[Fukyo]

The simple answer is that it's not a lie. That was an exclamation of exasperation, not a suggestion to anyone in particular.

I think anyone with an ounce of reading comprehension can understand you told him to suck a dick because you got pissed off he was questioning or rather as you put it he was absent all day and now he's acting " holier than thou".

In my mind I thought Space log to be Bullet Proof OR mafia. due to some triggering things I saw in his posts. Add that to what I have said previously on the matter.

That's not what you said. You're making things up now.

I haven't cleared Helvete of 'doubt'???

I was talking to Blarraun.





@Blarraun, concerning Gopher....I was dumping hate?

Maybe I'm just a fucking retard, but I didn't think I was hateful. I had assumed Hado was reading him as scum because Goph has a tendency to come off as creepy or shifty, as I described. When Hado asked why he was creepy, I just explained.

 

[Sinny91]

That's not what you said. You're making things up now.

Logical fallacy.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

@Blarraun, concerning Gopher....I was dumping hate?

Maybe I'm just a fucking retard, but I didn't think I was hateful. I had assumed Hado was reading him as scum because Goph has a tendency to come off as creepy or shifty, as I described. When Hado asked why he was creepy, I just explained.

At the time and within that context what you did was equal to saying "I don't want to have anything to do with that dishonest creep". It wasn't even any valid form of argument to separate yourself from him. It was you seemingly mentioning your disgust with him being a creep and an attention whore.

If you didn't want people to draw an equals sign between you and Goph, you could've just said that you aren't responsible or you can't answer his actions. Still you found it compelling or necessary to go those additional few steps to mention his status which at that point was only relevant to you.

 

[Fukyo]

Those things were definitely not on my mind, and I'm not disgusted by Gopher at all, nor did I feel the need to bash him for my personal satisfaction. I was under very heavy pressure from Hado and was trying to disprove his arguments because he was using his read on Goph to launch a lynch on me during the last minutes of the day.


I am a little perturbed people are painting what I said about Gopher in such a bad light, and fyi no bad feels toward anyone in or out of game presently on my part.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

I'm not trying to imply you were hateful intentionally, just that's the way I felt about it.

I've been aware of Goph's problems and I've noticed a significant amount of anguish he had recently expressed over being called out on basically similar things by RB and myself. So I'm pretty sure he's aware of the problem and he's also hurting because of it and people do use it as a way to take him down.

 

[redbaron]

STOP EDITING​

If you make a typo, you make a new post to clarify it. Yes it's annoyimg but if editing is allowed you can leak all kinds of info and/or cheat in numerous ways.

It doesn't matter if all you did was fix an apostrophe or you added a paragraph. It doesn't matter if you completely fucked up and look like an absolute retard because you mispelt/misworded.

Every edit from this point on will be a modkill. Stop.

 

[redbaron]

Also, try to attack people's arguments as opposed to them.

Try, "That argument sucks dick" rather than, "you suck dick".

:^)

 

[Sinny91]

Also, try to attack people's arguments as opposed to them.

Try, "That argument sucks dick" rather than, "you suck dick".

:^)

Always implied.. anyway, I'm drunk, but checking in.

 

[Helvete]

RB CAN YOU POST THE COUNTDOWN TIMER LINK THINGY?? about 24hrs left right? dunno what colouur you want

ok rb's made it really easy for us, no one edit and the scum will just hang themselves! :P

I also wanted to clear up my initial lurking which a number of you keep on mentioning (can't remember where).
I became way more busy before the game started, check the sign up thread where I took myself off the list and suggested rb just make the 9 player game. I accepted the replacement offer as I had half an eye on the thread when I could and really enjoy the game.... and out of pity for rb and his drop out game
So yeah I mainly work nights and have a couple of pretty serious personal projects going on (this game is partly out of expense of the other stuff I really want to be doing).
So I'm trying to be as active as possible when I'm actually here, as I just want town to win for fucking once.

Really now, day one I started the Yellow wagon, I didn't jump on it. I put a huge pressure vote on Blarraun, in fact a number of my votes have been pressure votes.. so please do tell me more about these wagons I jumped on.. ?

I'm mainly talking about d2 and the parts that I got to witness but maybe I should go back and sift through day1 again.

You jumped on the blar wagon which now you're calling a pressure vote? Wasn't hado's case the pressure?
You then switched over to sete.
then fukyo - this is the second switch where you've just shadowed hado

Then you jump on space for completely anti town reasoning. As sete pointed out already, either the bullet proof had been spent, or there was a doctor because there was no NK night one; so you saving yourself would only kill a power role like you thought him to be. I also don't understand why said nothing of this at the time? If you really took issue with it why not voice some concern?




I still don't see your point.. People asked me questions, and I answered their questions. What am I supposed to do ignore them? I wasn't scum hunting enough? Apparently nobody has been scum hunting enough, just look at the mess town is in. I'll tell you why I have been scum hunting enough; because I've been making assertions and running with them, and no doubt by the end of this game it will be revealed that I was wrong a thousand time's over, just like I was with Yellow, but the point is, we all agree she posted dodgy shit, and from a Town perspective I was well within my rights to chase down potential bullshit. Admittedly, it's really hard pin pointing scum bullshit from regular bullshit - but I'll have a go none the less. As it happens, I think I should be the strongest Town read by this stage, even Hado said so.. if you trust Hado's judgment so fucking much, why aren't you leaning green on me? You three have been dodgy as fuck since start of Day 3, and so I'm saying right now, I know two of you are mafia. Hows that for fucking scum hunting?

I'm not asking you to not answer questions. But if you have your own assertions/queries/cases you really need to be questioning others about them rather than meekly defending yourself.
Why exactly should you be the strongest town read at this stage?
Also I did not trust hado's judgement and stated as much at the time he was pressuring blar. I've like his logic and thinks he makes a lot of sense but that doesn't mean he is correct in his results and rather than just following sheep mentality I would prefer to look for other possibilities. He was the only confirmed town at that point but that doesn't turn him into a god.

Only mafia know who are mafia. Either you just admitted to being mafia or you have some very strong assertions which you need to case.


Your premise is false.



How is switching my vote a contradiction to the fact I wasn't happy switching my vote??? You're logic fucking sucks.

Don't be a fucking sheep!



Who are the inactive;s?



We didn't have to lynch a lurker in the first place, why do you say this?

No, we didn't but it felt like the better option than following logic based on peoples personal issues.



I agree. I think he deliberately left a post indicating that he was Bulletproof, to cover his tracks, but that wasn't enough apparently.

Which post and why didn't you say anything?


I know, that's why I've been doing it.



No shit Sherlock.



But weren't you and Blarraun just calling for an easy mafia win, by asking us to hurry to the end?




@all I'll be back in a few hours as I have to go to work soon.

Same to you. [/QUOTE]

 

[Sinny91]

The fact that you're still on me..

I can't be arsed.

I'l be posting minimum from now on.

Fuck whatever win, once again, It appears I'm the only town making stand at this point.

I am not catering to this ignorance. Move on to a new case, simples.

 

[Sinny91]

My vote is staying on Helvete, once I sleep, I might not wake up for twelve or more hours.

Adios.

 

[Helvete]

you just accused me of leaving stuff unanswered when I was sleeping? wtf. I'll be going over other people now but that doesn't alleviate your sus

 

[Sinny91]

you just accused me of leaving stuff unanswered when I was sleeping? wtf. I'll be going over other people now but that doesn't alleviate your sus

Once again, no shit sherlock.

Most boring/pedantic group yet.

 

[redbaron]

Vote Count

Sinny (2) - Helvete, Blarraun
Helvete (1) - Sinny
Pmj (1) - Sete

Not voting - Pmj, Fukyo

Day ends in ~22 hours

Update: My signature will have a countdown timer to the end of each day from now on. Or you can just bookmark the timer yourself

 

[Helvete]

Sinny gets asked questions and she goes full retard and tells people to suck dicks and eggs?


Not surprised. Don't get mad you got caught redhanded. This hostility is unwarranted and highly suspicious.


Your game sucks Sinny, regardless of your affiliation, your excuses are lame and you're throwing tantrums because you have no better defense. You lied that your edit was just typos. I clearly saw a new paragraph concerning Shapelog appear and you moved another one to the top of your post. Specifically the one about keeping votes off yourself.

Tantrums aren't doing you any favors. You're not confirmed anything. I'm town in my POV too. Step up your game. Calling for no lynch is another effort to save your ass.



Due to PMJ and Sete absence I am reading them as possible scum buddies atm, they feel very much like they're not invested in the game, which seems to fit with disinterested scum observing the town as it cannibalizes itself from the sidelines.


Helvete is uncertain too. The only one I feel semi confident is town atm is Blarraun, but I am concerned about his switch to Shapelog.

This is so wishy washy... Apart from blar who is your next highest town read?

Who are you most confident about lynching aside from sinny?

You are also a mod right, is it possible to find out if sinny did lie about what she edited? (not you though obviously)

You are concerned with me taking a vote off you and going after Shapelog? I'd go after PMJ but I'm going to assume lurks aren't scum, if they are then I won't accept their win because I had no way of interacting with them.

That's the main reason why I leave PMJ alone and I think Hel and Sete are less scummy than they could be.

I would guess there is one active scum and one inactive. I don't think both would try and get away with a lurk victory (unless we really are this bad at town)

I've had pretty bad vibes from pmj in d2 and his lurking and currently empty promises are a big red flag imo.

Unfortunately scum do still win if they lurk to victory and we can't/won't do anything about it, so you shouldn't make reads like that.

 

[Helvete]

Also, on day one no one got lynched so either the bullet proof had been spent or there was a doctor. This doesn't make much sense.

I am looking through the thread trying to find teaming/attitudes towards each other. These are the reads I got by simply skimming the pages so far a few times.

Blar-Fukyu is a no go.
Blar-Sinny is a no go
Blar-helvete is possible
Blar-PMj is a no go

Fukyu-Sinny is a no go
Fukyu-Blar is a no go
Fukyu-Helvete is possible
Fukyu-PMJ is possible

Sinny-helvete is a no go
Sinny-blar is a no go
Sinny-PMJ is possible
Sinny-Fukyu is a no go

PMJ-helvete is possible
PMJ-fukyu is possible
PMJ-Sinny is possible
PMj-Blar is a no go

Now I have had a green lean on Fukyu/gopher most of the game, but that's mostly intuitive. I like Hados reasoning about QT not abandoning game, if he was scum. I have had some major green points for Blar as well. I think Sinny and PMJ seems to have acted the scummiest.

PMJ randomly puts a FOS on Sinny and when asked to defend it he ignores it completely and Foses half the game.

PMJ randomly votes for Sinny without reason and then backtracks within moments.

Directly after the first night Sinny and PMJ goes minorly against each other in this way and then proceed to ignore each other. I find this all staged and I think they are in cohort with each other.

Sinny hasn't retaliated to PMJ in response, she only did an FOS before PMJ attacked and once he attacked back she did nothing. Uncharacteristic.

and

PMJ-fakyu/Gopher basically avoided interaction. Equally, if not more indicative.

I think it's a sinny/pmj or Pmj/fakyu pairing.

Vote PMJ


Sorry for not being so active anymore.

Can you explain the no go pairings, considering bussing is a common scum tactic? If things go sour they may be dissociating themselves from each other so the scum partner doesn't immediately become sus if we manage to correctly lynch.

How come you're not so active now, is everything ok?

 

[PmjPmj]

PMJ, whatever the fuck you are doing, you are now ruining the game, watever fucking team you're on.

Truth be told Sinnycakes, I spent most of yesterday re-reading this thread, taking notes and tossing various ideas around in my mind. I'm drawing a complete blank here. So, let’s talk it out, shall we? Things usually crystallise for me when I speak about them.

I dislike your shift in attitude. I dislike more the fact that you've remained silent for most of the game (well, posting without adding any real content - and times you have quite literally said things like "Yeah, what he said!") yet now you come out swinging. What is going on with that behaviour? You have consistently been my number one suspect during the past day or so. I believe that I had you totally wrong on day one.

Could this be scripting?

Whatever it is, you're currently enveloped in some kind of disruption field. I can't get a clear read on you, and this bothers me - but I do admire it in some bizarre way. For someone who is usually so straight down the line and clear cut, you're doing a decent job of confusing the shit out of me.

I’m not inclined to believe what Fukyo says about you editing posts. I think that is some kind of distraction, and yet another blatant attempt at straw-clutching (lots of that, this time around). This in and of itself bothers me. It creates the illusion of conflict, and the ‘conflict’ is based around unverifiable data. It’s just noise. That nobody has really picked up on this bothers me more. It’s a soft argument, made more visceral by your impassioned retorts. A smokescreen? I believe so.

You have also been cosying up to people throughout the game, Sinny. Myself and Bla to be precise, though there may be other examples; I’ll pour over your filter in a little while and further pad out my perceptions with data if necessary. Whatever the case, by outright agreeing with some and claiming others to be green (trying to win favours?) either overtly (me) or soft-touch style (bla) you have effectively cushioned yourself from some scrutiny. It’s a basic psychology 101 ruse; you're attempting to get people to see you in a favourable light… but then you started telling everyone to suck a dick, so I’m not sure what on earth his happening. At this point, it wouldn’t surprise me if your ‘hostility’ is a tactic to ward off the more inexperienced / averse to conflict players. Not something which will work on me, bucko. You can’t spend almost the entire game being wishy-washy, then come out swinging at the last minute with a daft/sulky attitude.

Vote Sinny.

FOS Fukyo

^ I think our most probable mafia candidates are summed up thusly. Fukyo hasn’t done all that much, but something Hado said about Gopher rings true: Gopher would have normally posted his notes. He didn’t. He just up and fucked off. Now, I don’t profess to know Gopher, but I do know that if he were pro-town, he would have most probably cared enough to give everyone a heads up re: his observations before bowing out. That he did not is, to myself at least, a red flag.

Bla I cannot get a read on. I spent most of the game thinking he was a tricksy mafia player, hiding behind a veil of logic. Whilst that may well be the case, I don’t find him anywhere near as iffy as yourself, Sinny. He's obviously a versatile player, though (he spoke my language when I targeted him, and offered good pushback). Again, not out of the question, but I have much less to go on because he's good at covering his tracks.

Sete I also thought was mafia for a while, but my reasons for not FOSing etc. are the same as above (Bla). I also liked Sete’s post about potential mafia pairings, regardless of the postulated winning combination.

At present, I do not have much of a read on Halelvelvlevlefleretete, or whoever else is still in the running (that alone says it all ). I will continue to scrutinise posts etc. today, and hopefully report back with more at various intervals.

Ah, see? Talking helps. I now know where to redouble my efforts.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

You are also a mod right, is it possible to find out if sinny did lie about what she edited? (not you though obviously)

No unless they provide a reason for editing, most people don't. At best you can remember what was in the original before it was changed.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

I don't think (I'd say it's impossible) Fukyo would lie about editing in order to get an in-game advantage of some sort. This however doesn't mean that mentioning it can't be aimed to distract.

 

[PmjPmj]

It's a way to create the illusion of conflict. It could have been mentioned and dropped, but it wasn't - it got dragged out. The end result is 'conflict' over what essentially equates to nothing.

Think about it, logic-man. Read between the lines a bit.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

It's a way to create the illusion of conflict. It could have been mentioned and dropped, but it wasn't - it got dragged out. The end result is 'conflict' over what essentially equates to nothing.

Think about it, logic-man. Read between the lines a bit.

If this doesn't acknowledge what you've just said I don't know what does:

This however doesn't mean that mentioning it can't be aimed to distract.

Call me paranoid but Fukyo Sinny team seem very feasible to me at the moment of reading your post and when I left my last message.

Both get a rise out of another and if one fails the other will become vindicated for as long as they need to win.

Now your act is weird being the one oddly insistent on this insignificant tiny detail.