INTP vs INTJ

[meshram.alok]

I Love this thread.

I worked with an INTJ during a summer internship at a firm, and though I initially thought we would be a good team, it started falling apart right from the beginning. He was always focused on achieving something, and I was always looking at a new possibility, or developing new connections with different subjects (Applying Digital Signal Processing to Power, Or Electronics to Digital Signal Processing), and though he appreciated it, he wouldn't like it if I went too far, and would stop me, stating, "you aren't logical".

I often felt as if he was trying to control me in order to achieve his goals, as he would often direct me to do his bidding, or so I felt. He was indeed very honest about things, and would genuinely appreciate my strengths. But what I didn't like was his preoccupation with achievement, which led him to drive me (which I hate extremely).

Well, looking back, I think it was an ego struggle. Both of us are very amibitious, and he wanted a result, and I wanted to create something new, somewhat competing purposes. In the end, we stopped working as a team and he started focusing on making ties with other office people in order to learn how to handle being successful in a similiar situation in the future.

This I completely despised, and kept working on my own little venture (which wasn't appreciated at all, adding to my frustration).

After all this, though, I've seen the "Opening up" side of his (very rarely seen by anyone else), and sometimes I stir something in him that suddenly makes him interested in me again, and I feel as if we're long lost friends. But mostly I still despise him.

 

[meshram.alok]

Whoops, seems like I provided too much detail.

Relevant to the thread, then, I'll give that it can really be a horrible experience for an INTP partnered with an INTJ in a competitive environment.

As for the basic difference between the two:

To an outsider, an INTJ would appear as being logical (sometimes too much),

whereas an INTP would appear as applying logic.

 

[Carnap]

I'm just curious, what kinds of differences do you notice on INTJ forums in comparison to here?

What are debates like?

 

[mathy]

My dad is also an INTJ. Really odd. This pattern (or coincidence) means further investigation.

Mine is INTJ also.

Interesting, indeed...

 

[Toad]

I never knew my dad. But people say I am a lot like him except lazier.

 

[mynystry]

Hi there, I see the discussion in this thread is not very active anymore, anyway I found some interesting opinions here and what really surprised me is that it seems that many INTPs got a INTJ father!!! include me in the list

From my experience INTPs and INTJs are really similar, but INTJs seem to really need to have things clear, they need conclusions. This makes them seem more narrow minded but that also allows them to be more practical and efficient.

On the other hand I believe INTPs do not feel so uncomfortable to live in a world where everything is possible, where nothing is certain. That make us more open minded, but also less practical when it comes to "have the work done".

I get along well with my dad, we have a similar sense of humor, and we both enjoy logic and reasoning... The problem comes when he struggles to arrive to a conclusion, while I never seem to arrive to a definitive end. For me other possibilities remain open even if less probable... that really drives him crazy!

greetings

 

[dreamoftheunknown]

And from my perspective he approaches everything back to front; we can be given the same problem and same facts yet draw the opposite conclusions/solutions. Actually, I find he doesn't want to deal with nearly as many variables as I take into account. He's simply not interested in half my sources of information.

He stops thinking about something when he has the answer that suits his purposes, I keep thinking.

He is incredibly rigid, my opinions change like the weather.

He wants routine, I wish every day could be an adventure.

hmm. I can't believe I ever thought INTPs and INTJs were similar.

That's about right. One of my best friends is an INTJ, and there are times when we get along very well, and there are times when we seriously butt heads. She's extremely practical and crisp. I'm not (though, I think I can be sometimes). She also doesn't seem to appreciate uncertainty. During conversation, I have a tendency to speculate on factors that might need to be taken into account and possibilities. When I first met her, she would get an annoyed expression on her face that seemed to say, "You're incompetent..." I'd get annoyed with her tendency to quickly take a position without considering all the factors involved and to continue to ignore the factors when I them pointed out. And she can be pretty rigid. But we got used to each other, after a while.

Incidentally, I think my supervisor is an xNTJ. He's extremely rigid. Once he gets an idea in his head, there's no disabusing him of it. I just recently got a result that seems to be in conflict with his preconceived notion, but instead of considering the possibility that he might be wrong, he effectively questioned my competence. He now wants to check over my work saying that he might agree with me, but his gut feeling tells him that he's right, and his gut feelings are usually right. Never mind that an independent group got a consistent result. Whatever. But what struck me the most about that conversation was that it took me at least 20 minutes to get through to him that I was getting a result that was in conflict with his conclusion. Even though he's not actually doing the calculation (and despite my having told him how I was doing it), he had it in his head that we were doing it a certain way (which, of course, he blamed me for). And once I did get through to him on that, he automatically assumed that I must be doing something wrong because there's no way we could get a result like that (read: there's no way he could be wrong - he has a gut feeling). What's also interesting to me is that he didn't seem to realize (as I did) just how ridiculous it's going to be to write paper in a scientific journal saying that "our" gut feeling (because I get dragged along regardless of what I think) says the answer is blah. It was completely baffled. I foresee a very rocky working relationship.

 

[Causeless]

Strange, but my father is also INTJ.

 

[xbox]

My dad is ENTJ. thought he was INTJ.

We do not get along.

 

[soraya]

Quick thought, if you cant trust the judgment of another person, especially one from another INTJ enough to consider its validity and argue against it, then why are INTJs considered open minded? Between posts in forums from people claiming to be INTJ, and my personal experiences with an INTJ i know, i see INTJs as being completely oblivious to others ideas of what might be true.

Way late on this, but I have a quick note to add. INTJs switch perspectives but they do NOT accept many different perspectives and then discard what they don't need. We don't make true/false judgements like Ti does. So we don't trust or distrust another's judgement we just reject it. We switch perspectives, initially rejecting everything, and then accepting gradually what we can discern through observation and argument to be truthful or useful. Important to note that we actually hold agnostic on all of the perspectives. Te comes to its conclusions by thinking out loud, engaging (it's an extroverted function), so INTJs will present a lot of different opinions/perspectives in a logical format, argue many different perspectives on them, but not believe or disbelieve any of it. It's by keeping a goal in mind (that we actually are agnostic about) that we can rotate perspective around that and thereby activate our thinking. This is Ni using Te as its whipped little bitch to chart a course of action.

Example: Think about a lock with 3 dials of numbers 1-10. You know that there's a code that will unlock it & you want to do this (Ni) so you turn the 3 dials (Te), trying different number combinations until finally the code is cracked and the lock opens. Te is extroverted, you never could have opened the lock if you didn't actively try to turn the dials and crack the code. Te is agnostic - it doesn't have a 'lucky' number that it thinks will work. It holds all combinations to be false and starts trying them in a logial sequence or progression to see which ones work and which don't.

A lot of people make the mistake of thinking that the INTJ is trying to make a point or achieve a goal in a project/argument/what have you. In fact, usually the INTJ doesn't care. It's not that we are oblivious to what other people think is true, we just don't care about true/false in that sense, what matters to us is whether it works. We present our argument/what have you, as if we are making a very definite point. When I'm in a debate I don't give a damn about what words my opponent is saying, what the meaning of those words is. What I AM paying attention to is the line of thought that my opponent follows in response to the things I do/say. This tells me much more than words do. (Te analyzing the structure of the presentation of their arguement, NOT Ti LOOKING FOR WORD MEANING, TRUE/FALSE) I reject a lot of things, then throw hooks into the water looking for a bite. When I get a bite I stop rejecting that hook and start reeling it in. So a lot of times we'll be deliberately antagonistic, especially initially, because we immediately reject the other ideas (so we can look at them from the outside bit by bit). A worthwhile idea will prove us wrong and someone with the brains to see through what we're doing is worth our time. Generally, the people I like best are the ones who catch onto it quickly and then give me hell over it. Thems smart people.

Lastly, on open-mindedness. A lot of what I said above is based on Solitary Walker's work, and here's a pertinent quotation.
"Can the INTJ be open-minded in the same respect that the ENTP is often well renowned for? In fact, I would argue that the INTJ is even more open-minded, despite that it may appear to be so otherwise to outside observers who are only superficially acquainted with the type and individuals representing it. Essentially, because of the boost of the Introversion factor, the Intuition of the INTJ is supported further and this respect becomes superior to teh Extroverted Intuition [...] Intensity and not extensity is the aim of the Introverted Intuition. The ENTP will wish to explore all new ideas that befall his lot, and as soon as he has become acquainted with them, he will abandon them to move on to something new. This is the case for him because his perception is in constant need of external stimulation and he cannot stimulate himself from within when associating with the external entity has been depleted. The INTj by contrast is on the radically different side of the spectrum. Introverted Intuition has a surplus of inner energy and can stimulate itself from within whilst requiring very little external stimulation. Thus the INTJ will entertain a myriad of ideas, more than any other type."

whew...
In short: Te, Ti, very different.

 

[lucky12]

INTx with INTx father

 

[Ex-User (4771)]

My personal MBTI type is INT(50% P 50% J) so i would love to compare my personality to others who are further from the middle, i have noticed that i take certain traits from both sides, which sometimes conflict themselves.

To be honest i was completely unsure of which forum to join, but in the end chose this one, probably should join both but i am a bit to lazy to check two forums.

 

[thoumyvision]

My personal MBTI type is INT(50% P 50% J) so i would love to compare my personality to others who are further from the middle, i have noticed that i take certain traits from both sides, which sometimes conflict themselves.

To be honest i was completely unsure of which forum to join, but in the end chose this one, probably should join both but i am a bit to lazy to check two forums.

Do you like coming up with new ideas for their own sake or do you only feel satisfied when you implement them?

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[Ex-User (4771)]

Do you like coming up with new ideas for their own sake or do you only feel satisfied when you implement them?

​

I would say i get more satisfaction on coming up with a new idea, thinking of how to implement it, and then trying to do so given that it is within my power. However, if i cant implement it, and i usually try to think of another way to implement it, then i will get annoyed but im still satisfied with coming up with the idea.

If it is of any relevance, i really hate simple unanswered questions that have a answer, usually having to deal with other people (eg "Is she into me" or "are they blowing me off?")

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Have you look at the cognitive functions, Athideus? Or at least, what P/J really means?

 

[Ex-User (4771)]

Have you look at the cognitive functions, Athideus? Or at least, what P/J really means?

after reading up a little bit more on p/j i would say that i more P
sorce: http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/judging-or-perceiving.asp

 

[thoumyvision]

after reading up a little bit more on p/j i would say that i more P
sorce: http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/judging-or-perceiving.asp

This is on of the problems with the way the MBTI is presented, cognitive function is often never explained. There is no "more P" or "more J", the P and J describes whether your extroverted function is a Perceiving function or a Judging function. iNtuition and Sensing are Perceiving functions; Thinking and Feeling are Judging functions. We all use all four of these functions, but we prefer to use some more than others and we prefer to use them either in an introverted or extroverted manner. The MBTI letter codes tell us what our top two functions are and in which order and orientation we prefer to use them.

So, as an example lets use INTP. The N and T means our top two functions are iNtuition and Thinking. The I means our primary function (the one we're most comfortable using) is used in an introverted manner. Our second function is always going to be used in the opposite manner, so in our case extroverted. The P means that our extroverted function is our Perceiving function (iNtuition), because that is the function we display to the world: when dealing with people or objects we're more interested in taking in information intuitively than making decisions.

So an INTP's primary function is Introverted Thinking, abbreviated Ti, and our secondary function is Extroverted iNtuition, abbreviated Ne.

It's flipped around for an INTJ because the J indicates that their Extroverted function is their Judging function. So an INTJ's primary function is Introverted iNtuition (Ni) and their secondary function is Extroverted Thinking (Te)

So, the real question is whether your internal self a logical ordered place (Ti) or a place of ideas and imagination (Ni)? When you interact with people or objects are you more likely to observe and take in information (Ne), or do you make decisions and organize people or objects (Te)?

For a much better and more in-depth explanation go here:
Cognitive Functions 100: Basic Functionality Revised

 

[Anthile]

Preference is really a wrong word to describe the usage of a function. It's not like it's a conscious decision as in "I can wear a black or a blue shirt but I prefer the blck one". A better word would be tendency.

 

[Ex-User (4771)]

Spoiler

This is on of the problems with the way the MBTI is presented, cognitive function is often never explained. There is no "more P" or "more J", the P and J describes whether your extroverted function is a Perceiving function or a Judging function. iNtuition and Sensing are Perceiving functions; Thinking and Feeling are Judging functions. We all use all four of these functions, but we prefer to use some more than others and we prefer to use them either in an introverted or extroverted manner. The MBTI letter codes tell us what our top two functions are and in which order and orientation we prefer to use them.

So, as an example lets use INTP. The N and T means our top two functions are iNtuition and Thinking. The I means our primary function (the one we're most comfortable using) is used in an introverted manner. Our second function is always going to be used in the opposite manner, so in our case extroverted. The P means that our extroverted function is our Perceiving function (iNtuition), because that is the function we display to the world: when dealing with people or objects we're more interested in taking in information intuitively than making decisions.

So an INTP's primary function is Introverted Thinking, abbreviated Ti, and our secondary function is Extroverted iNtuition, abbreviated Ne.

It's flipped around for an INTJ because the J indicates that their Extroverted function is their Judging function. So an INTJ's primary function is Introverted iNtuition (Ni) and their secondary function is Extroverted Thinking (Te)

So, the real question is whether your internal self a logical ordered place (Ti) or a place of ideas and imagination (Ni)? When you interact with people or objects are you more likely to observe and take in information (Ne), or do you make decisions and organize people or objects (Te)?

For a much better and more in-depth explanation go here:
Cognitive Functions 100: Basic Functionality Revised

My internal world has the tendency to be a place of imagination and ideas, and i prefer to organize my external world

 

[Magister]

I am an INTP, my father an INTJ, and my mother an INFP.

A lot of people seem to think I'm a lot like my dad, but we are very different.


I consider my father too rash, and he likely thinks me too cautious. We normally get along fine but there are certain subjects it is probably better to avoid. He is a very partisan conservative republican and is not at all open to considering opposing political ideas. (My politics are a more idiosyncratic geo-libertarianism with support for Pigouvian taxation especially to mitigate negative environmental externalities). He takes a rather "for us or against us" approach in such matters, and in general is upset when someone criticizes an idea without putting forward a superior alternative. He is much more competitive, placing value on winning and getting things over whereas I just stick around to enjoy the process and would rather neither side ever achieve a final victory. I have lots of ideas on how to reform society and government, which he dismisses because they are too hard to implement and would not provide a clear advantage for "the good guys." He places a lot of value on endorsement from conservative religious leaders while I am always on the lookout for hypocrisy and must look at the facts to reach my own conclusions independently. He pays attentions to sporting events because they are culturally significant, while I denounce any culture that could value such things. He likes his TV and movies to be one off things where you just sit back and enjoy without keeping track of things, while I enjoy intricate plots and extended story arcs. He tends to think one epidose (or game or whatever) at a time is enough, where I prefer to have one immediately following the other. In a game like chess he tends to do better in the first game and then get worn out, wheres I'm just getting warmed up and grow more energized the longer we continue.

 

[Magister]

Preference is really a wrong word to describe the usage of a function. It's not like it's a conscious decision as in "I can wear a black or a blue shirt but I prefer the blck one". A better word would be tendency.

When we speak of having a preference for a cognitive function we don't mean it in the sense that one may prefer chocolate over vanilla. It is meant in the sense that most humans prefer their right hand over their left hand. Long before MBTI right-handedness was describes as a preference, but that does not mean that right handed people could use their left hands just as well if they so desired. For those of us not born to be ambidextrous training our left hands to work as well as the right is a very difficult task. The term preference can imply something stronger than a mere tendency.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

after reading up a little bit more on p/j i would say that i more P
sorce: http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/judging-or-perceiving.asp

I'm not sure if you can really derive a correct understanding from this. I'll clarify:

"This pair describes whether you extravert (act in the outer world) when you are making decisions or when you are taking in information."

First: note that J/P applies just as much to your inner world as it does to the outer world. If your extraversion is typically done through perception, then your introversion is typically done by judging and vice versa. You must make sure that you answer in a consistent way to "is your introversion rational or irrational? is your extraversion irrational or rational?"

Second: the way it phrases the distinction can be incredibly confusing. After all, everyone takes in information from the environment, and generally when you're making environmental judgments you're going to need to constantly pay attention to how things are going.

Now, pay attention to the word "rational" - this should conjure up images of the use of a reasoned process, of taking what you know and looking at how you can use a set of rules to get where you want to go. "Irrational" by contrast is a process of simply reacting to what it is that you are seeing through your perception. When you use rationality you are analysing information. When you use irrationality you are synthesising information.

So analyse how it is that you tend to think during interactions. Do you tend to react directly to incoming information in a spontaneous way, while analysing this information internally, or do you tend to have an image in mind of how you want things to go, and then use your interactions as a means of working towards this image?

Even this description will no doubt cause confusion. Do this for me:

Describe what goes on in your mind as you are writing up a forum post.

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

I'm an INTJ. At work there is a guy 3 years older than I and he is an INTP. He started a conversation with me about MBTI. He went on to say that he pegged me as an INTJ. I should ask him what he thinks about the difference.

 

[snafupants]

When I was reading Psychological Types I came across an excellent quote which illustrates the difference between extraverted and introverted intuition, and it goes like this.

The remarkable indifference of the extraverted intuitive in respect to outer objects is shared by
the introverted intuitive in relation to the inner objects. Just as the extraverted intuitive is
continually scenting out new possibilities, which he pursues with an equal unconcern
both for his own welfare and for that of others, pressing on quite heedless of human
considerations, tearing down what has only just been established in his everlasting search for
change, so the introverted intuitive moves from image to image, chasing after every possibility in the teeming womb of the unconscious, without establishing any connection between the phenomenon and himself.​

That last part touched on two intriguing and genuine ideas. One, the primordial appetite of introverted intuition and, two, the inability to apply that information personally.

It's pretty weird. From the introverted intuitives I know, they love to encapsulate people's actions, behaviors, and personalities into neat categories, but they have this aversion to being categorized themselves. It's like they can't imagine themselves as part of their own schema.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

It's pretty weird. From the introverted intuitives I know, they love to encapsulate people's actions, behaviors, and personalities into neat categories, but they have this aversion to being categorized themselves. It's like they can't imagine themselves as part of their own schema.

Is this an INTJ thing specifically? It suggests Te/Fi to me.

 

[snafupants]

Is this an INTJ thing specifically? It suggests Te/Fi to me.

From what I've read of Jung, which is honestly not enough to have a nuanced viewpoint, I think he would argue that personal obliviousness with introverted intuition is related to a focus on the unconscious, whereas in the case of introverted feeling, the personal obliviousness is due to an overemphasis on subject (egocentric, personal, subjective) over the object (basically, the world and its myriad inhabitants). "It [introverted feeling] is primarily controlled by subjective preconditions [how that data fits into the feeling schema], and is only secondarily [extraverted intuition?] concerned with the object..." (Jung, Psychological Types) Essentially, the difference between the biases of introverted intuition and introverted feeling would probably be overly abstract, achetypal focus versus an inexpressible, subjective focus, respectively. So, to answer your question more tersely, the personal obliviousness may ostensibly look the same with both types, but it has a fundamentally distinct reason for being that way in either personality.

 

[scorpiomover]

One thing I know is that I'm very strong on P-ness. I know a J when I'm talking to one:

P: Why do things fall?
J: Because of gravity.
P: So if there wasn't any gravity, then things wouldn't fall?
J: But there is gravity.
P: Yes, but without gravity holding things down, then would things stay where they are, or would they go up?
J: There is gravity. So things fall. Stop asking stupid questions.

J: What do you want for dinner?
P: What's on offer?
J: Chicken or beef.
P: With what?
J: Well, are you having chicken or beef?
P: I'm not sure. It depends on what else we're having.
J: Alright, it's chicken.
P: But I'm not sure if I don't want beef.
J: Then make your own dinner.

Js and Ps together make for interesting arguments.

 

[Tangent]

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My father is IXTJ, My mother is INFX. ​

Also, the one person in the world I'm closest to is INTJ. I read somewhere that INTPs can have an almost naive affection towards a select few people, and that's certainly true in this case. We have a friendship so close it scares me sometimes. He's very protective and nurturing toward me. Apparently we act differently toward each other than we do around other people...from what I've heard from others, he can be a huge jerk, and I definitely know I'm not vulnerable around everyone else. He's even told me before that he treats me differently than other people, but he doesn't know why. We've only known each other for a year, and there was a period when he had to go away (his absence devastated me...), but we're incredibly close. ​

Sorry to throw a wrench into the whole "INTP and INTJ don't mix" thing. Maybe we're just an anomaly, I don't know. I got him to take a typing test yesterday, and he did get INTJ, though the N/S was less than 20% apart, if I remember correctly.
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How do your conversations progress and what kind of things do you talk about? I'm in a relationship with an INTJ and that wall that gets put up when I put too much information out there or deviate into another topic kills me. Would appreciate any advice/ info.

 

[Trebuchet]

How do your conversations progress and what kind of things do you talk about? I'm in a relationship with an INTJ and that wall that gets put up when I put too much information out there or deviate into another topic kills me. Would appreciate any advice/ info.

My INTJ husband and I had a lot of early conversations about conversations. We discussed what we like and don't like, how communication works, how much personal stuff to reveal, and so on. Meta-conversations are fun for both types, and might give both of you a clearer idea of how the other communicates.

I expect you bring up other topics in conversation because it is fun and interesting to you, and you see a connection you want to explore. At least, that's why I do it. INTJs don't love that, but they can learn to adapt. And INTPs don't love sticking to one topic, but we can learn to adapt.

Also, we make it clear if a complaint is a request for advice or a need to blow off steam. If one of you says, "I'm frustrated by my coworker," should the other say, "Here's how to solve that..." or "Ouch, that sounds like a crummy day"? My parents used this trick, and it works for us, too.

We talk about politics, science, technology, language, coworkers, parenting, food, narrative structure, economics, music, and each other. You know, everything. The conversations often have the structure of one of us lecturing and the other making insightful comments.

How do your conversations progress?

 

[lord methous]

My dad is ENTJ. thought he was INTJ.

We do not get along.

Same here, my dad is ENTJ and and we do not get along at all.

 

[SkyWalker]

some say INTJs are narcissists, what do you guys think about that?

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

some say INTJs are narcissists, what do you guys think about that?

Yes.

I have an INTJ friend (one of only a couple friends whose types I know) and he is all about himself. It's ridiculous how highly thinks of himself and how he thinks everyone else sucks at everything compared to him. Any time someone isn't around he'll start whining about how dumb they are or how annoyed he is with them for whatever reason.

He also has this weird thing where he doesn't want to "die insignificant"...... don't know if I should be scared by that....

One thing I know is that I'm very strong on P-ness. I know a J when I'm talking to one:

P: Why do things fall?
J: Because of gravity.
P: So if there wasn't any gravity, then things wouldn't fall?
J: But there is gravity.
P: Yes, but without gravity holding things down, then would things stay where they are, or would they go up?
J: There is gravity. So things fall. Stop asking stupid questions.

J: What do you want for dinner?
P: What's on offer?
J: Chicken or beef.
P: With what?
J: Well, are you having chicken or beef?
P: I'm not sure. It depends on what else we're having.
J: Alright, it's chicken.
P: But I'm not sure if I don't want beef.
J: Then make your own dinner.

Js and Ps together make for interesting arguments.

Haha My father (a hardcore J) and I (hardcore P) have practically the same arguments..... but they usually end differently.... because he's my dad.... you know....

EDIT: and following the INTJ father trend my dad is some sort of xNTJ (but he does have a pretty well developed Feeling function it seems).

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

Yes.

I have an INTJ friend (one of only a couple friends whose types I know) and he is all about himself. It's ridiculous how highly thinks of himself and how he thinks everyone else sucks at everything compared to him. Any time someone isn't around he'll start whining about how dumb they are or how annoyed he is with them for whatever reason.

He also has this weird thing where he doesn't want to "die insignificant"...... don't know if I should be scared by that....



Haha My father (a hardcore J) and I (hardcore P) have practically the same arguments..... but they usually end differently.... because he's my dad.... you know....

EDIT: and following the INTJ father trend my dad is some sort of xNTJ (but he does have a pretty well developed Feeling function it seems).

The behaviour of your friend is simply immaturity. Hopefully he will grow out of it as he gets older.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

The behaviour of your friend is simply immaturity. Hopefully he will grow out of it as he gets older.

Well, this description was based more off of his current behavior, which is caused, in some part, by the fact that he's having lady troubles and, as a result, is emotionally unstable. Usually he's toned down some but that doesn't change the fact that he's still pretty self absorbed.

 

[jameslikespie]

INTP's and INTJ's get along well, mainly because were very similar in most respects.

 

[ked]

I put the simple core here, but if you want to pass some examination somewhere about the incorrect theory that the world thinks is correct, then ignore what I say here.

INTP is NiTe SiFe, and INTJ is TiNe FiNe. INTP is not the scientific type, it needing one to have TiNe or the NeTi (ENTP) as the most dominant, though Ni/Te can do it too but it's unnecessarily much work, harder and takes more time and so not recommended as it's not natural, spontaneous.

Ne is visual memory (like in physics) and Ni is non-visual memory. In both cases the memory here means INtuitive memory where the intuitive dominant dominantly lives. In science and study one needs to use the Ne (visual memory, iNtuitive memory) and Se (visual, sensoric visual, outer sensoric).

Ti means basically thinking, and thinking one uses in science (with the opposite direction of the N, Ne). Te is not dominantly thinking but more like talking/explaining; expression, extraverted thinking - that doesn't mean the direction of the attention (that's only about the S and N that are the Ps) but the type of thinking (in connection to its opposite direction of N/S).

J means that the most dominant function is T/F, and it's somewhat more powerful than the second most dominant function there, the N/S. If one is dominantly a P, then one is more an N/S than a T/F, one being more of an observer than a thinker/feeler, though the difference is smaller than when one compares T dominants (the first or the second function) to F dominants and N dominants to S dominants.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

That's what it means in socionics. This is all Myers-Briggs.

I am MBTI INTP, socionics I'm INTj....