INTP vs INTJ

[Anling]

Yes, I ran into a bandwidth error message for the past few days, so I visited the INTJ forum. They seem to o be rather snobby and lack both imagination and a sense of humor etc...

This forum appears to be highly superior to theirs..

At least in some places they are hilarious. The thread about having to have the last word was very amusing. I didn't end up getting through the whole thing, but I laughed at some of their verbal antics. So, I did not get the impression that they lack a sense of humor.

 

[Ermine]

Yeah, they have a lot of fun playing with the image of the stereotypical INTJ, and acting like they have a god-complex when most of them really don't. Good stuff.

 

[Kidege]

Thought you might want to read this. It's about the INTJ/INTP interactions. Good stuff, written by a INTJ.

 

[Da Blob]

Thought you might want to read this. It's about the INTJ/INTP interactions. Good stuff, written by a INTJ.

Rats! i hate it when people see right through me! I'm going to have to learn how to pretend to be another type so I don't seem to be predictable/vulnerable/manipulated.
The worst part, was when the author was explaining how easy it was to manipulate an INTPian, and I had to concede "Yep, that would work!"

 

[Waterstiller]

Thought you might want to read this. It's about the INTJ/INTP interactions. Good stuff, written by a INTJ.

Thank you so much for that link.

 

[Jesin]

Thought you might want to read this. It's about the INTJ/INTP interactions. Good stuff, written by a INTJ.

That ^ brilliant.

 

[Ermine]

Wow... there are non INTPs that understand me! And I thought I was a mystery.

 

[fullerene]

That was very, very well done.

 

[Kidege]

I have a sudden wish of meeting INTJs

 

[Kianara]

Hi Kidege! *shakes hand* I'm an INTJ!

 

[esoki]

After reading all the thoughts in this thread, I'm leaning more and more to be an INTP.

 

[loveofreason]

Thought you might want to read this. It's about the INTJ/INTP interactions. Good stuff, written by a INTJ.

Yep, it's a smart INTJ that learns how to manage their livestock.

(Brilliant link Kidege.)

About the INTP being bullied by the INTJ:

When the last peice of the equation falls into place and they find themselves pushed past their boundaries they will snap back like an speeding transfer-truck.

Hehe... yeahhhhh....

(*Represses puerile rant*)

 

[didyouknow]

http://community.livejournal.com/intj/102341.html

Thanks so much for the link! I'm going to send it to my INTJ friend, now.

I laughed so hard at this part: "While the INTJ is focused and determined to march to the end of the road with only minimal concern for what is "out there", the INTP has discovered a herd of rare bovines and has merrily run off to examine them."

My best friend is INTJ and she is a clean freak. She is always bugging me about my lack of motivation, mostly because she has an abundance of it. If INTPs weren't so placid, we probably would have had a power struggle with our differing conclusions about things but these days I just let her think she's right.

 

[Agent Intellect]

good link kidege. i especially liked the distinction in one of the comments about going to Tokyo, it seems to sum up the difference quite well. an INTP is happy to talk about how great going to Tokyo would be, and an INTJ doesn't want to talk about going to Tokyo if they aren't actually going to go.

 

[Anling]

Thought you might want to read this. It's about the INTJ/INTP interactions. Good stuff, written by a INTJ.

Great link! It's nice to think that at least some people of other types are capable of understanding how I function. Maybe someday I'll actually meet one in the outside world.

 

[Jesin]

What I call, multi-person cognative analysis conflict resolution works really well in dealing with personal disputes. Take a step back, depersonalize the situation, and analyse it in the third person as a joint project.

Yay for this forum!

 

[Kidege]

Hi Kidege! *shakes hand* I'm an INTJ!

*shakes hand* Glad to meet you

 

[Gorgrim]

why is the intj i met so oblivious to how I am bet i'm the only INTP she ever seen.

 

[flow]

I still haven't really met any INTPs (who aren't of my family) IRL. I know of two INTJs, one of them being my best friend in middle and high school. The other being one of my cousins. Both types (INTP & INTJ) are relatively rare.

 

[Perseus]

The main behavioural difference between a INTP and a INTJ I have observed is that the INTP will not manoeuvre secretly behind your back (in normal circumstances).

 

[Kianara]

The main behavioural difference between a INTP and a INTJ I have observed is that the INTP will not manoeuvre secretly behind your back (in normal circumstances).

Yeah... this is definitely a big difference.

 

[grey matters]

Sorry I got in on this late but, great link Kidege. I like reading things first hand, you know before it has been processed in a way that is better for the general public. I remember reading the book "the Oregon trail" and another book that was a compilation of other peoples reminiscings about old New Orleans. They tell their stories as they see it at the time they saw it. With all the opionions and prejudices of the time. Though you can't always understand these opionions or prejudices you get a great view of how things were. The stuff on that website is of course new, but is similarly unprocessed.

 

[Sapphire Harp]

Rats! i hate it when people see right through me! I'm going to have to learn how to pretend to be another type so I don't seem to be predictable/vulnerable/manipulated.
The worst part, was when the author was explaining how easy it was to manipulate an INTPian, and I had to concede "Yep, that would work!"

You know, if it bothers you - we could work out some methods for manipulating INTJs in return, but... is anyone really pining for that?

About the parents thing - I'm pretty sure I have an INTJ mother - my dad's E ... ... P something.

I had a brief, but very intense friendship with an INTJ - and twice it seemed like she had decided to change all the dynamics of our friendship without letting me know. The first time she was pulling away I figured out what was driving her and addressed it, so we continued to be friends.

The second time, whatever it was, I missed and the door was slammed shut on me. To be completely accurate, I'd say I was caught in the doorway when that happened and what was on the wrong side was pushed on back through.
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[hopefulmonster]

INTJ's use{and abuse} logic whereas INTPs try to live by it.

 

[IfloatTHRUlife]

Feeling lazy so im gonna make this quick. My brother is an intj, the differences are all in the functions. Our main function is Intoverted thinking, thinking being a judgeing function. More simply put, we are in our head all day judging whatever we think about, which most likely doesnt involve ourselves. INTJs main function is introverted intuition, intuition being a perceptive function, which they use to plan possibilities. Which comes down to the main diffrence between us, not the only diffrence but its the one that stands out, My brother is completely focused on his own future, making plans and carrying them out...while i tend to sit back and observe and analyze then move on, never considering myself.

 

[adastrac]

Oo that was a very good read! I actually have an even better understanding of myself (and INTPs in general) now. Cheers!

I had an INTJ friend... we clashed and it ended horribly. My other close friends (INFP, ENTP, and EXFX) and I get along very well, albeit I can only tolerate each person about twice per week only. After that I need my space. This was also the case for my INTJ friend, who I felt was too clingy (she wanted to hang out all of the time) which I think is not very INTJ-like? She was stubborn and also didn't completely trust me. For example, I'll tell her some interesting psychology/brain facts and she wouldn't believe me until she could validate it with our instructor... and I always felt insulted because like other INTPs, I always always always strive for accuracy. Why in the world would I make up stuff? And I always triple check my facts. My parents do this to me, too (their perspective is that I am young and I don't know as much as they do), and I always feel disrespected.

 

[didyouknow]

The strange thing about it is, my two best friends are INTJs and the less confrontational, see them occasionally friends, are INTPs (I know 2). Strange how in a world of 1% INTPs I managed to find so many Maybe I'm just luckier than you guys :P

 

[Gorgrim]

I hate whenever people who don't believe what I tell them, need a source that they think is more reliant, too. Many people tend to do that, they doubt my opinion and knowledge and prefer a teacher's. On matters that it doesnt take an expert.... so annoying. Both INTJ's and ISTJ's do that to me.

But i do like INTJ's(or some) and eventually they learn by experience that what I have to say is worth something. Since INTJS and ISTJS tend to value opinions from certain people alot more than others.

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Why is it also, that people are so reliant on the teachers and can't just figure out a way to do things without asking a million questions, like they can't think themselves. Each day is a constant repetitive motion of questions beeing asked, of how to do it the exact way the teacher wants it. no originality !!. 'end rant'

 

[Jesin]

The strange thing about it is, my two best friends are INTJs and the less confrontational, see them occasionally friends, are INTPs (I know 2). Strange how in a world of 1% INTPs I managed to find so many Maybe I'm just luckier than you guys :P

I still win.

 

[Wisp]

Damn TJ.

 

[adastrac]

Why is it also, that people are so reliant on the teachers and can't just figure out a way to do things without asking a million questions, like they can't think themselves. Each day is a constant repetitive motion of questions beeing asked, of how to do it the exact way the teacher wants it. no originality !!. 'end rant'

I understand what you mean! I hate it when people ask me questions that they can google for themselves.

of how to do it the exact way the teacher wants it. no originality !!. 'end rant'

I hate it when people want to stick EXACTLY to the guidelines, leaving no room for creativity, imagination, or even any learning for that matter.

 

[Kianara]

Ummm... we're really sorry that we're manipulative bastards? *ducks tomato*

If you want to know how to manipulate INTJs, I could teach a course.

 

[Kidege]

Do tell

 

[Kianara]

INTJ + Interpersonal Relationships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpersonal_relationship) = INTJ's loss of all self confidence (our greatest strength)

We essentially turn into idiots when faced with a situation we are completely and utterly unprepared for. I, naturally, avoid such situations by preparing for every eventuality.

In order to avoid being surprised, I run through every possible situation in my head. For instance, if my mom is late picking me up, I immediately run through my worst case scenario that my entire family died in a car crash to avoid being surprised if this is the case.

If you do manage to totally catch an INTJ off guard though, especially in regards to 'interpersonal relationships', you might see them go into clinical shock.

In short, just do what we least expect you to do. Something that we would never (even in our wild, consider-every-possibility minds) and we become unsure of ourselves and easy to mold to your will.

There are other methods, but I'll save them for other threads.

 

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INTJ + Interpersonal Relationships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpersonal_relationship) = INTJ's loss of all self confidence (our greatest strength)

We essentially turn into idiots when faced with a situation we are completely and utterly unprepared for. I, naturally, avoid such situations by preparing for every eventuality.

In order to avoid being surprised, I run through every possible situation in my head. For instance, if my mom is late picking me up, I immediately run through my worst case scenario that my entire family died in a car crash to avoid being surprised if this is the case.

If you do manage to totally catch an INTJ off guard though, especially in regards to 'interpersonal relationships', you might see them go into clinical shock.

In short, just do what we least expect you to do. Something that we would never (even in our wild, consider-every-possibility minds) and we become unsure of ourselves and easy to mold to your will.

There are other methods, but I'll save them for other threads.

My INTJ brother is two years younger than me. He got really pissed off whenever I hid around a corner and scared him.

But yeah... he is also having trouble with interpersonal relationships.

But I feel like INTJs will be able to use their introverted Feeling to their advantage. Sure, it's going to develop late, but it'll be there.

Do you have any suggestions for helping INTJs get better at making friends?

 

[Kidege]

This is from the IRC chat:

[22:02] <%Wisp> INTJ have which is perceiving
[22:02] <%Wisp> THe world sees our Ne, and their Te
[22:03] <%Wisp> So we come across as less, but we have more conscious thought.
[22:03] <%Wisp> (Is trying to become a slightly less epic version of Decaf)
[22:03] <Kidege> good one
[22:04] <Kidege> I'll vouch for the "come across as less... more conscious thought" bit. Twas like that with all INTJs I've met
[22:05] <Kidege> the unfunny part is watching them charge full ahead against obstacles
[22:05] <%Wisp> I know a particularly large amount about the differences between INTJ/INTP

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[22:05] <Kidege> when they miss a factor (and it's not uncommon), they hurt themselves
[22:05] <%Wisp> Yep
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[22:06] <%Wisp> they intuit, without thinking, and then judge the world around them
[22:06] <OMFG_LUZizHaxx0R> INTPs think about EVERYTHING
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[22:07] <OMFG_LUZizHaxx0R> INTJs are are only on one track
[22:07] <OMFG_LUZizHaxx0R> no deviation
[22:07] <%Wisp> And then, when they switch, it's so fast, even they miss it.
[22:07] <Kidege> same thing, really. figured later I'd have less options.
[22:07] <%Wisp> They miss it more than everyone else
[22:07] <%Wisp> (The INTJ's do)
[22:08] <Kidege> and they explode then
[22:08] <Kidege> at least my best f from school did: threw things and cursed a lot
[22:08] <OMFG_LUZizHaxx0R> when you swing your sword with dedication, you're not expecting to miss
[22:09] <%Wisp> Or, they go off in a different direction. And don't notice at all.
[22:09] <Kidege> that's when they need us
[22:09] <%Wisp> And we'll be like, "Wh-HEY!"
[22:09] <Kidege> other people will run. we know why it happened
[22:09] <OMFG_LUZizHaxx0R> lol
[22:09] <%Wisp> Yep
[22:09] <OMFG_LUZizHaxx0R> indeed
[22:09] <Kidege> THIS should be quoted
[22:10] <%Wisp> A smart INTJ is great to hang out with, though. They make good debate partners
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[22:10] <Kidege> hell yes. you just gotta learn to smile deviously when they look like they want to strangle you for not agreeing
[22:11] <%Wisp> It's epic
[22:11] <%Wisp> INTPs make great devil's advocates
[22:11] <%Wisp> INTJs not so much.
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[22:11] <%Wisp> I'll argue the side of the argument my partner isn't on.

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[22:12] <Kidege> and INTJs are ASKING for it. With feelers arguing what you really think is the best policy, but your personal INTJ needs the challenge

 

[Anling]

I hate whenever people who don't believe what I tell them, need a source that they think is more reliant, too. Many people tend to do that, they doubt my opinion and knowledge and prefer a teacher's. On matters that it doesnt take an expert.... so annoying. Both INTJ's and ISTJ's do that to me.

But i do like INTJ's(or some) and eventually they learn by experience that what I have to say is worth something. Since INTJS and ISTJS tend to value opinions from certain people alot more than others.

Generally, requiring that someone provide a source for their information is considered the smart thing to do. Until they do know from experience that your shared facts are trustworthy, it wouldn't be very smart for them to just take your word for it. How many times have you heard someone give some fact that later turned out to be false? I know how annoying and frustrating it can be for someone to doubt the validity of my statements, but I can't fault them for it.
Something I learned from doing research papers for any discipline: any unsupported statement is suspect. And even when a statement is supported, sometimes the conclusions are still wrong.
Hmm... I guess I'm ranting, too.

 

[Jordan~]

Re: INTPs make good devil's advocates, INTJs don't; the opposite is true in my experience. Perhaps that's because the INTJs I know are debaters and I'm not, but I find that most INTPs have a devotion to "the truth", whatever that may be. When we argue something, we're trying to find out the truth - INTJs can hop around only to suit their purposes, not to suit any ideal of veracity.

 

[IfloatTHRUlife]

A smart INTJ is hard to argue with, if they think they are right, you could pile the proof up in their face and they will deny it all or turn around their argument to make you still seem wrong. For example, i always get into arguments with my brother because i will say something and he will tell me i said something else, then i will repeat the entire conversation from both sides and he will deny it, put on a face of disgust and proceed to call me stupid. That is where the arguement goes from me having to prove him wrong to me having to defend my intelligence, which is hard becasue i dont like being repeatedly called stupid so i normally just get really pissy and walk away.

I would also like to add, sometimes he will admit he was wrong later on, but still make it seem that i was the one at fault. Its amazing actually... but hey..maybe some day his INTJness will lead him to wealth and he can pay me to be his yard bum.

 

[Ermine]

I've seen this when I was doing debate in school. I'm good at the initial argument, but when I'm under pressure, it's easy to tell if I feel like I'm in a hard spot, and I'm not very good at asserting that I'm right. I usually just rely on logic.

The J types I've debated just can't be told that they're wrong, even if logic is staring them in the face.

 

[Kianara]

I've seen this when I was doing debate in school. I'm good at the initial argument, but when I'm under pressure, it's easy to tell if I feel like I'm in a hard spot, and I'm not very good at asserting that I'm right. I usually just rely on logic.

The J types I've debated just can't be told that they're wrong, even if logic is staring them in the face.

It's a talent. We can know that we're wrong, but give no sign of it and keep to our point until we die.

Literally.

 

[Wisp]

Usually by shotgun.

INTPs usually have certainty issues about everything. INTJs... No, not really. Not as a type. An insecure INTJ would be... weird...

 

[Kianara]

Usually by shotgun.

INTPs usually have certainty issues about everything. INTJs... No, not really. Not as a type. An insecure INTJ would be... weird...

^__^ Yep.

INTJs are generally the most self confident of the types. It's just kind of who we are. We know what we know, and we know what we don't know.

We do get insecure under certain circumstances however. Usually interpersonal ones when someone does something that makes no sense and completely messes with our entire grasp of a situation. Then we usually backpedal until we can be alone and re-asses the situation and it's participants.

 

[Sapphire Harp]

Just occurred me, in case we need it:

Dastardly anti-INTJ plan #23;
Inflitrate an INTJ forum and ask who is the smartest poster.


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[Da Blob]

Just occurred me, in case we need it:

Dastardly anti-INTJ plan #23;
Inflitrate an INTJ forum and ask who is the smartest poster.


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Make it so, number #!

 

[Sapphire Harp]

Make it so, number #!

Make it so, number-number-exclamation-mark?

 

[Luzian]

Make it so, number-number-exclamation-mark?

It felt like "number one" to me

 

[IfloatTHRUlife]

Sad part is, it might work, they would all say they were, then the arguments would begin, not so bad at first, just whatever they think is wrong with each other would be brought up, but shortly they would all lose their confidence since they would all be arguing on an even playing ground and it would get personal. Then they would all implode and we would be the only introverted rationals left AHAHAHA

 

[flow]

It's a talent. We can know that we're wrong, but give no sign of it and keep to our point until we die.

Literally.

Is this why you continue to insist that Descartes was an INTJ via signature? We all know he was an INTP..

 

[Da Blob]

Make it so, number-number-exclamation-mark?

Make it So! number (Accidentally hits shift key, and poor eye sight leads to allowing mistake to pass unnoticed ) 1