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Hello all,

I've been going a bit overboard with the advice forms lately but so be it.

My problem is fairly simple and straightforward. I am interested in a female who I have wanted to go on a date with for quite some time yet something is always in the way and I feel as though fate keeps throwing chances at me and I just fail to catch them. So anyway this girl finally broke up with her boyfriend after quite some time but due to current circumstances I never see her anymore and only can communicate via internet (I do see her occasionally but it is always by chance). Anyway we never managed to get that close unfortunately. Now I see an opening though. It is almost valentines day (from what I hear men's balls grow three times their size this time of year) and she doesn't seem to have a date. Further more there is an event that she wants to go to (and hopefully no one has already asked her to go). There is only one problem.

I feel as though just asking her out of nowhere would come off as creepy to a lot of people. I am not all that bad with women but things seem to all go to hell as soon as I find someone I am actually am interested in. When I'm not interested I at least have about 1 person chasing after me. So I need some advice on how I could possibly approach this via internet (I would much rather do it in person but can't) if she wants to go to this event.

This is more than just being about her though unfortunately. It is also like I said, this was a chance I never took when I was younger and above all I need to know if it could've ever worked out.

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How do I ask a girl I only sorta know on date to a thing she wants to go to via internet without seeming creepy. Success would also be welcomed.
 

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How do I ask a girl I only sorta know on date to a thing she wants to go to via internet without seeming creepy. Success would also be welcomed.

Can't you just say, "Hey, I know you want to [go here] and I'd like to go too. Do you want to go together? I'd enjoy spending the evening together with you; I bet it would be a lot of fun."

or is there something I'm missing from your story that would make it more complicated?

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just ask her casually (rather than with crazy intensity).
 

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Can't you just say, "Hey, I know you want to [go here] and I'd like to go too. Do you want to go together? I'd enjoy spending the evening together, and I bet it would be fun."

or is there something I'm missing from your story that would make it more complicated?

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just ask her casually.

You tell me. Do you think it would seem normal for someone pretty far removed from your social circle to ask something like that. To me I just honestly don't know. Most things just don't register as weird to me so I sort of need to ask.
"Beware the Jennywock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"
 

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Don't think just do. I second Jenny.
 

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Seriously just ask. No big deal.


Also, dont wait til the end of the night and go for a kiss. Do it as soon as possible.

100% serious.
 

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Have you spoken to this girl before?
 

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Have you spoken to this girl before?

Spoken? Yes
Engaged in deep conversations beyond that of small talk? Not really. Actually just No.

Additional notes: I actually originally got to know her because I was introduced by a mutual friend who told her I thought she was hot. Thus she ended up getting the nickname hot friend. However, this was all quite some time ago and I feel those days are very far behind.
 

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The more you wait, the more likely is someone else will snag her away.

I would contact her and say that you just happened to remember her and wanted to catch up, see what she's doing. Then you can drop the bomb by suggesting it would be more fun to catch up irl .


I think worrying about being a creep is meaningless. If she's not into you she will reject you anyway. Excess deliberation and obsessiveness can be creepy though. Just try to be casual and at least seem outcome dependent. People trying to reconnect with someone from the past isn't anything super odd.
 

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Hmm. I had assumed he had, but it's possible that he never talked to her before she left the area and they've only talked online.

What kind of conversations do you have online, and who initiates them? Just curious. It doesn't mean you shouldn't ask her, but it will seem more normal if you've already talked IRL first or if your conversations online have at least been decent.

Then again, sometimes you just go for it regardless.

I would contact her and say that you just happened to remember her and wanted to catch up, see what she's doing. Then you can drop the bomb by suggesting it would be more fun to catch up irl .

That works.

And yeah, I'd do it sooner rather than later.

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"Beware the Jennywock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"

Awww. I don't bite... much. (Although occasionally I burble.)
 

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If she's not into you she will reject you anyway.

That's what every chick believes :p

Every movement reveals us
. One can be getting very well along with a chick, and then say one thing wrong, or even say the right thing but with a slightly wrong tone, and the spark goes out in their eyes.

But that is good – that forces one to be 100% honest and congruent.
 

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This is what I would say: "Long time no see, wanna hang?"
 

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Asking forums complicates things. People typically come away from such requests more confused that when they started due to the number of people with polar opinions. It doesn't seem to have happened too badly here, but be warned you'll almost always start some sort of PUA vs. the world travesty.

I'm going to +1 team 'keep it simple'. Don't obsess, don't scour the internet further for advice, don't take yourself too seriously. Do be direct, do be transparent, do keep it casual at least until you receive positive feedback.

Edit: also don't refer to her as 'female'. She's people. Be cool.
 

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Edit: also don't refer to her as 'female'. She's people. Be cool.

Hahaha

"Please aid me in attracting the female on human mating day"

I'm not taking the piss, well I am in a way, but I dont mean to be mean. I wish you the best of luck in your crush, horribly nerve racking to have them, I used to just avoid them because it was too stressful to talk to them. So I would just leer from a distance and fantasize in private until I was mad.
 

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Hello all,

I've been going a bit overboard with the advice forms lately but so be it.

My problem is fairly simple and straightforward. I am interested in a female who I have wanted to go on a date with for quite some time yet something is always in the way and I feel as though fate keeps throwing chances at me and I just fail to catch them. So anyway this girl finally broke up with her boyfriend after quite some time but due to current circumstances I never see her anymore and only can communicate via internet (I do see her occasionally but it is always by chance). Anyway we never managed to get that close unfortunately. Now I see an opening though. It is almost valentines day (from what I hear men's balls grow three times their size this time of year) and she doesn't seem to have a date. Further more there is an event that she wants to go to (and hopefully no one has already asked her to go). There is only one problem.

I feel as though just asking her out of nowhere would come off as creepy to a lot of people. I am not all that bad with women but things seem to all go to hell as soon as I find someone I am actually am interested in. When I'm not interested I at least have about 1 person chasing after me. So I need some advice on how I could possibly approach this via internet (I would much rather do it in person but can't) if she wants to go to this event.

This is more than just being about her though unfortunately. It is also like I said, this was a chance I never took when I was younger and above all I need to know if it could've ever worked out.

TL;DR
How do I ask a girl I only sorta know on date to a thing she wants to go to via internet without seeming creepy. Success would also be welcomed.

Yeah doing the valentines day thing straight away might scare her a bit. But I don't know it's all circumstantial. I think your description of the situation is too vague for proper advice to be given. Would help to know the actual circumstances in clearer terms. But in any case there's always this rule that going for it is better than not doing so if you're unsure because irregardless you will end up better off than before, either by getting what you want or by learning from failing to do so. GL!
 

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I'll tell you just about anything you want to know, I was just avoiding being to detailed and ending up with three pages of text.

I'll give everyone a slightly more in depth rundown.

I met her first in Sophomore year of high school. I asked one of my female friends what the name of that hot girl over at the other table was. I got my answer and my friend responded something along the lines of "what if I went over there and told her what you said". I told her go ahead and even challenged her to do so. She did and that is pretty much how I ended up being introduced to her. Eventually I began calling her hot friend mostly out of humor of the odd way we met. Right about this time or maybe a couple weeks later she ended up breaking up with her boyfriend. No idea what caused this but I know she told her mutual friend not to tell me she had broken up with him. TBH I don't know if this was a sign of rejection or if she was trying to avoid someone swooping into her life. Anyway i tried to start up conversations and find her occasionally but this rarely happened as she was in a different age group than me. She also had the dreaded wall of friends that acted as a force field to someone like me. Things went on like this for a while. We would always do a small amount of small talk in passing but nothing ever came of it. That is mostly my fault. She also started dating other people. I messaged her after she graduated that I was glad I met her and she reciprocated. The only other times I saw her after this was at a local store where she worked that I frequented. Again we had our small talk but nothing near serious. I also saw her occasionally at my college. There is not too much more to be said here. I tried asking her if she wanted to hang out sometime but I never got an answer. Whenever I message her the odds of answering are usually around 50/50.

There, a wall of text. Alles Klar.

This is the first time in a long time that she hasn't had a boyfriend and if I don't do something here I think that there will never be another chance.

Edit: also don't refer to her as 'female'. She's people. Be cool.

Don't worry I don't actually go around talking to people like that. Hello you two X chromosomed homo sapien. Fine weather for maintaining homeostasis isn't it?
 

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It doesn't sound like asking her out for valentines day's gonna work out tbh. Her not wanting you to know she broke up means she gets that you are interested in her or at least thinks that's likely. It could be she's not into you romantically but it could also be that she just doesn't want you swooping in like you said. I feel like going straight from small talking to asking out for Valentine's day might qualify as a bit too forward unless you already have some kind of established relationship. Moreover, if her friends actively wall you out that ain't a good sign, if they do so passively it could just be bad luck I guess. I dunno, it sounds like it probably isn't gonna work out the way you want to because she knows you're interested but doesn't seem that interested herself and is dating other people. Also if she's done with college and you're not.. well then you're part of a life she's moving on from. I may be overly skeptical however, as I haven't seen you interact :P
 

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Hmmm. Sounds like she's had a buffer up for whatever reason.

it's clear she's not jumping at the chance, as if someone is actively interested, they would respond to all your messages and wouldn't have blown off your request to hang. While she's okay enough to continue with small talk and occasional contact (to not hurt your feelings, to not trigger bad feelings, or whatever else), she also has little interest in spending more time with you, whether it's because her life has moved on or personality differences or whatever else.

That being said, there's still no harm in asking to spend some time together. From what you've said, it's likely it won't go anywhere. But at least then you won't be kicking yourself later, thinking there might have been a chance you could have gotten closer. And it's not like you have anything to lose, since you don't connect often right now.

It's up to you, with the expectation the odds aren't great.
 

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Hmmm. Sounds like she's had a buffer up for whatever reason.

it's clear she's not jumping at the chance, as if someone is actively interested, they would respond to all your messages and wouldn't have blown off your request to hang. While she's okay enough to continue with small talk and occasional contact (to not hurt your feelings, to not trigger bad feelings, or whatever else), she also has little interest in spending more time with you, whether it's because her life has moved on or personality differences or whatever else.

That being said, there's still no harm in asking to spend some time together. From what you've said, it's likely it won't go anywhere. But at least then you won't be kicking yourself later, thinking there might have been a chance you could have gotten closer. And it's not like you have anything to lose, since you don't connect often right now.

It's up to you, with the expectation the odds aren't great.

This was pretty much the way I was looking at it.
 

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I am not all that bad with women but things seem to all go to hell as soon as I find someone I am actually am interested in. When I'm not interested I at least have about 1 person chasing after me.

You may well already be aware of this, but the difference in behaviour of women whom you are interested in vs those you're not would indicate that the way you treat the latter is more effective in an attraction sense than the way that you treat the former (since the difference can only really be due to the different ways you treat them). The reason why this is relevant is that the way you talk about this girl is really the epitome of the mindset that causes the type of treatment which leads to things going the way they do when you're interested (to hell). Hence, it's almost inevitable that unless you change something the same thing will happen with this girl. Don't value her so much, don't be so invested, don't be outcome dependent, and forget about what she might think of you or whether she likes you or not. The way you ask her out and talk to her should be a reflection of this.
 

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You may well already be aware of this, but the difference in behaviour of women whom you are interested in vs those you're not would indicate that the way you treat the latter is more effective in an attraction sense than the way that you treat the former (since the difference can only really be due to the different ways you treat them). The reason why this is relevant is that the way you talk about this girl is really the epitome of the mindset that causes the type of treatment which leads to things going the way they do when you're interested (to hell). Hence, it's almost inevitable that unless you change something the same thing will happen with this girl. Don't value her so much, don't be so invested, don't be outcome dependent, and forget about what she might think of you or whether she likes you or not. The way you ask her out and talk to her should be a reflection of this.

Very true but this is the catch. All the women I am interested in are shall we say a cut above the ones interested in me. This leaves the possibiliy thay my standards are too high and it is not behavior related.
 

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In my experience it doesn't hurt to ask. It's expectations that fuck things up.
 

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Very true but this is the catch. All the women I am interested in are shall we say a cut above the ones interested in me. This leaves the possibiliy thay my standards are too high and it is not behavior related.

What do you think value is determined by if not behaviour? If you treat a woman like she's out of your league she'll think that too, which equals zero attraction. Treat her as an equal on the other hand, and it opens up the door for further possibilities. If you think in terms of social tiers you'll disqualify yourself before you even interact.
 

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What do you think value is determined by if not behaviour? If you treat a woman like she's out of your league she'll think that too, which equals zero attraction. Treat her as an equal on the other hand, and it opens up the door for further possibilities. If you think in terms of social tiers you'll disqualify yourself before you even interact.

Yes, for the most part I don't disagree. But you can not disqualify that there are in fact leagues of people. An emphasis shouldn't be put on social tiers but they cannot be treated as they don't factor into the equation. At least this is my view.
 

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Very true but this is the catch. All the women I am interested in are shall we say a cut above the ones interested in me. This leaves the possibiliy thay my standards are too high and it is not behavior related.
Human nature. You want a return for your efforts. If you ask someone out, there's always a potential for her to turn you down, or other things to go wrong. So there's more cost involved because of the risk. So you want a greater return to offset the risk, and thus aim for above what you can currently get.

It's a false estimate. The goal of dating is not to get a date, as that would make the method the goal, and a method is there to achieve something else, or it would create a recurring loop.

The goal of dating to gain what one gets by dating: a good time, great companions, sex, and a partner who improves your life in every way. The ones interested in you, are already willing to agree to a date. If you were interested in them, you'd have asked one of them out already and be dating her. So that's not the case.

If you were interested in achieving the goals of dating and getting the benefits of dating, then you'd be dating them. By dating them, you'd get experience in dating, and would thus improve your dating skills, which would increase your market value, and thus make it more likely that a girl like her would show interest in you. If your market value was still below her requirements, and you were still interested in dating her, you'd up your market value by working out and getting fitter, and developing other skills that would increase your market value in the dating arena. So your aim is not to get the benefits of dating, and not to date her either.

Another common reason that people date, is to practise dating skills. They're not interested in the girls they ask out and date per se. They just want to build up the skills of dating, such as getting a girl to agree to a date, and the skills required in dating, so that when they meet someone they want to be with, they'll have the skill to be able to date her and have a relationship with her. As you are not dating, you're not that bothered about practising skills while on a date. But you might be trying to practise and improve the skill of asking someone out, particularly if you are worried that the girls you like normally don't agree to a date.

Another reason that people date, is to build confidence. Asking a girl out, getting her to agree to a date, sex, etc, is also the skill of getting people to agree to your requests. Many young men are still struggling in the work arena. By getting girls to agree to go out with them, they build up a store of experiences that shows them that they can get people to agree to their requests. This then gives them the confidence and experience to think that when they have finished school and university, and are looking for work, and they come across the jobs they want, and have the qualifications to fulfil their requirements, that they'll be able to convince the interviewer to agree to give them the job. It's much safer for them to practise with girls they have no intent of staying with, than to practise with jobs that they want and losing some of those jobs as the result of making mistakes in the learning process. That too could be the case.

However, in general, people who date, find it easy to get another date, even from someone new. People who have a job, find it much easier to get another. People who have been in a relationship, find it much easier to get another relationship when the current one ends. People who are continually getting first dates, don't find it easy to convert the first date into a second date.

Part of this is because of reputation, and partially because of skills. Someone in a relationship, shows that they have the skills to have a relationship, because they're in one already. It might be different with a different girl. But the whole reason why we call relationships "relationships" is because there's so much in common with most relationships, that the skills and requirements for relationships are independent of the type of person you are dating. We don't even use words to differentiate between same-sex relationships and heterosexual relationships, because they too have so much in common, that what you need to know is largely independent of the sex of the person. We do talk about friendships using a different word than relationships, even though a friendship is a type of relationship, because the skills required for friendships and the skills required for relationships have enough that is different that one who is good at friendships would not automatically be good at relationships and vice versa. The same is true of family and friendships, and family and relationships, for the same reason. What this shows is that the general experiences of most people shows that the skills of relationships are mostly independent of the people involved, and so they subconsciously evolved to choose the word "relationship" to describe any romantic relationship with anyone.

"Sugar daddy" would be a different type of relationship that would require special skills, because people refer to that type of relationship as a different category. The same goes for "may-december relationships" (relationships with a large age gap).

It seems from your posts, that she's generally been with someone, and usually stayed with each guy for a while. So she's not looking for a fly-by-night. Right now, you have the option to date someone, and aren't. So that suggests that either you aren't really interested in dating anyone seriously, and are only looking for another notch to add to your bed, or the girls who did date you dropped you quickly because you lack the motivation and/or skills to keep them around, and you haven't learned them either or have not been interested in developing them.

If you start dating girls her age who are interested in you, you'll probably develop the skills that you need to be able to date her too. Even if you don't, she'll hear that you're dating girls her age, which would imply that other girls her age like dating you, and so you have the relationship skills for a girl her age. So she'll assume that she'd probably like dating you as well. Usually, girls will become much more interested when a guy starts dating other girls her age. So it's also got empirical validation. If her attitude doesn't change, and she still seems off-putting, then it would suggest that she simply is not interested in you that way at all, and thus you might as well date someone else, which you'll then have plenty of ability to do, because you've got the experience.

Of course, you might worry about developing the skills of asking someone out. But it's the same skill in asking someone out who you've been dating for a while, as the skill in asking someone out who you've just met. In many ways, it's even easier with someone you've just met, as a girl you've been dating for a while knows if your dates are boring to her. Someone you've just met has to be somewhat optimistic, because if she didn't, then she'd have to be pessimistic about everyone she just met, and then she would have to turn them all down, and would find it very hard to get a boyfriend. So the fact that she hardly knows you works in your favour.

In that way, it's similar to asking a friend to hang out, which isn't all that different to asking a stranger to hang out. The difficulty is beginning a new conversation with a stranger, which is a different category for all situations, friendships, relationships, business partners, family members that you've never met before, etc.

Really, you just need to understand that most of this is about developing the skills, which is mostly about doing the things over and over again, paying attention to when things aren't quite going perfectly, and changing things to improve them until you find things that do work to improve things. The skills are independent of the girl. So you stand to gain the most, by dating the girls who are interested in you.

After you've been dating the girls who are interested in you for a while and you feel confident about asking girls out and dating girls in general, then this girl won't seem so mystifying or mysterious. There will be other girls just as hot that you would know how to date. It will only be a question of if this girl has something about her that makes you think that you'd have more in common with her than other girls. If she says yes, then you can date her. If she says no, then you can move on. If she's dating someone else, then you can date until a girl you want to be with comes along and dates you. If that happens to be her, then maybe it will work out. If it turns out to be someone else, then you'll still be happy with the results.

Plus, dating someone who you haven't focussed on, takes the pressure off of you, which makes it much easier to not be nervous and not screw up.

So just get on and date the girls who do like you. Worry about this girl after you've dated a few of these girls for a few weeks, and given them a "happy" (The Big O).
 

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Human nature. You want a return for your efforts. If you ask someone out, there's always a potential for her to turn you down, or other things to go wrong. So there's more cost involved because of the risk. So you want a greater return to offset the risk, and thus aim for above what you can currently get.

It's a false estimate. The goal of dating is not to get a date, as that would make the method the goal, and a method is there to achieve something else, or it would create a recurring loop.

The goal of dating to gain what one gets by dating: a good time, great companions, sex, and a partner who improves your life in every way. The ones interested in you, are already willing to agree to a date. If you were interested in them, you'd have asked one of them out already and be dating her. So that's not the case.

If you were interested in achieving the goals of dating and getting the benefits of dating, then you'd be dating them. By dating them, you'd get experience in dating, and would thus improve your dating skills, which would increase your market value, and thus make it more likely that a girl like her would show interest in you. If your market value was still below her requirements, and you were still interested in dating her, you'd up your market value by working out and getting fitter, and developing other skills that would increase your market value in the dating arena. So your aim is not to get the benefits of dating, and not to date her either.

Another common reason that people date, is to practise dating skills. They're not interested in the girls they ask out and date per se. They just want to build up the skills of dating, such as getting a girl to agree to a date, and the skills required in dating, so that when they meet someone they want to be with, they'll have the skill to be able to date her and have a relationship with her. As you are not dating, you're not that bothered about practising skills while on a date. But you might be trying to practise and improve the skill of asking someone out, particularly if you are worried that the girls you like normally don't agree to a date.

Another reason that people date, is to build confidence. Asking a girl out, getting her to agree to a date, sex, etc, is also the skill of getting people to agree to your requests. Many young men are still struggling in the work arena. By getting girls to agree to go out with them, they build up a store of experiences that shows them that they can get people to agree to their requests. This then gives them the confidence and experience to think that when they have finished school and university, and are looking for work, and they come across the jobs they want, and have the qualifications to fulfil their requirements, that they'll be able to convince the interviewer to agree to give them the job. It's much safer for them to practise with girls they have no intent of staying with, than to practise with jobs that they want and losing some of those jobs as the result of making mistakes in the learning process. That too could be the case.

However, in general, people who date, find it easy to get another date, even from someone new. People who have a job, find it much easier to get another. People who have been in a relationship, find it much easier to get another relationship when the current one ends. People who are continually getting first dates, don't find it easy to convert the first date into a second date.

Part of this is because of reputation, and partially because of skills. Someone in a relationship, shows that they have the skills to have a relationship, because they're in one already. It might be different with a different girl. But the whole reason why we call relationships "relationships" is because there's so much in common with most relationships, that the skills and requirements for relationships are independent of the type of person you are dating. We don't even use words to differentiate between same-sex relationships and heterosexual relationships, because they too have so much in common, that what you need to know is largely independent of the sex of the person. We do talk about friendships using a different word than relationships, even though a friendship is a type of relationship, because the skills required for friendships and the skills required for relationships have enough that is different that one who is good at friendships would not automatically be good at relationships and vice versa. The same is true of family and friendships, and family and relationships, for the same reason. What this shows is that the general experiences of most people shows that the skills of relationships are mostly independent of the people involved, and so they subconsciously evolved to choose the word "relationship" to describe any romantic relationship with anyone.

"Sugar daddy" would be a different type of relationship that would require special skills, because people refer to that type of relationship as a different category. The same goes for "may-december relationships" (relationships with a large age gap).

It seems from your posts, that she's generally been with someone, and usually stayed with each guy for a while. So she's not looking for a fly-by-night. Right now, you have the option to date someone, and aren't. So that suggests that either you aren't really interested in dating anyone seriously, and are only looking for another notch to add to your bed, or the girls who did date you dropped you quickly because you lack the motivation and/or skills to keep them around, and you haven't learned them either or have not been interested in developing them.

If you start dating girls her age who are interested in you, you'll probably develop the skills that you need to be able to date her too. Even if you don't, she'll hear that you're dating girls her age, which would imply that other girls her age like dating you, and so you have the relationship skills for a girl her age. So she'll assume that she'd probably like dating you as well. Usually, girls will become much more interested when a guy starts dating other girls her age. So it's also got empirical validation. If her attitude doesn't change, and she still seems off-putting, then it would suggest that she simply is not interested in you that way at all, and thus you might as well date someone else, which you'll then have plenty of ability to do, because you've got the experience.

Of course, you might worry about developing the skills of asking someone out. But it's the same skill in asking someone out who you've been dating for a while, as the skill in asking someone out who you've just met. In many ways, it's even easier with someone you've just met, as a girl you've been dating for a while knows if your dates are boring to her. Someone you've just met has to be somewhat optimistic, because if she didn't, then she'd have to be pessimistic about everyone she just met, and then she would have to turn them all down, and would find it very hard to get a boyfriend. So the fact that she hardly knows you works in your favour.

In that way, it's similar to asking a friend to hang out, which isn't all that different to asking a stranger to hang out. The difficulty is beginning a new conversation with a stranger, which is a different category for all situations, friendships, relationships, business partners, family members that you've never met before, etc.

Really, you just need to understand that most of this is about developing the skills, which is mostly about doing the things over and over again, paying attention to when things aren't quite going perfectly, and changing things to improve them until you find things that do work to improve things. The skills are independent of the girl. So you stand to gain the most, by dating the girls who are interested in you.

After you've been dating the girls who are interested in you for a while and you feel confident about asking girls out and dating girls in general, then this girl won't seem so mystifying or mysterious. There will be other girls just as hot that you would know how to date. It will only be a question of if this girl has something about her that makes you think that you'd have more in common with her than other girls. If she says yes, then you can date her. If she says no, then you can move on. If she's dating someone else, then you can date until a girl you want to be with comes along and dates you. If that happens to be her, then maybe it will work out. If it turns out to be someone else, then you'll still be happy with the results.

Plus, dating someone who you haven't focussed on, takes the pressure off of you, which makes it much easier to not be nervous and not screw up.

So just get on and date the girls who do like you. Worry about this girl after you've dated a few of these girls for a few weeks, and given them a "happy" (The Big O).
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From your writing i can tell she isn't uninterested but afraid of being overwhelmed by the electric synergy between you. She must be approached with caution, but you will do it. All prospects of happiness depend on it.

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"Further more there is an event that she wants to go to (and hopefully no one has already asked her to go). "

So OK, two things, first, is the event something you also want to attend? If so, it puts this in the realm of "common interests," which is good ground upon which to take a stand.

Second, even if someone has already asked her, she may not have said yes, so just push the thought away. Is that your insecurity talking? If someone else asked her, oh well, of course she'll go with them? (I mention this because I made exactly this mistake long, long ago and take umbrage ((I have it in a blue bottle)) whenever I find someone who might possibly have the same humble self opinion that anyone else stands a better chance than me. Screw that shit; get in there and scrap. :-) )
 

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To me, it sounds like you two aren't particularly close to each other, which is good news, at least currently. If it goes poorly and she rejects you, what have you lost? A minimal amount of infrequent Internet communication with your crush, who you probably won't even think about in a few years down the road, if this doesn't work out. You've got a decent chance she'll say yes just out of kindness, not interest. Then you can show her that you're an enjoyable person to be around. Or, perhaps she is interested, in which case you'll have a great night/whatever time of day this event occurs togetger.
 

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Welp, it has been a while but I think you all deserve an answer as to what happened. I ended up going with a completely different girl and things seem to be going pretty well. I never did ask the first one but I am not disappointed with things at all. Right now I am just seeing where things take me.
 
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