INTJ outcast

[Polaris]

I have tried several personality tests, including Briggs-Meyer and others more or less credible tests. I always come up as INTJ. In the past I was introduced to these tests through work, and always felt really irritated by being pushed into a type. But I guess there is something to be said for the MBTI.

So how come, when I finally decided to join an INTJ forum, I found myself becoming increasingly frustrated and irritated by the type? I really do not know if I like to be associated with it at all. Has anyone else experienced the same? Is it just that I get bored easily? Am I some kind of freak?

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[Dark_Amphibian]

Why?

1. Maybe the INTJ forum isn't currently active with your sort of INTJs - I'm sure none of these forums have a truly representative spectrum for any of the personality types, right?

2. Why post to INTP specifically? Why not to an INFJ forum? Or ENTJ? What drew you here? Or did you cross-post as an experiment? (perfectly logical)

3. What exactly is irritating you? Is it like being stuck in an elevator with clones of yourself? It's a good thing to find others like you...but a double-edged sword, right? If this line of reasoning doesn't pan out, see #1.

However it sorts out for you, welcome here. I'm new myself.

 

[Ombat]

I've tested INTJ a couple of times, but after thoroughly reading up on all of the personality types, realized that I was not INTJ but in fact an INTP.

I've even tested ISTJ. I've tested a lot of things. I wouldn't put a lot of weight on those tests.

Even if you are an INTJ, I've read (too lazy to find sources) that INTJ's won't necessarily get along with other INTJ's. And anyway, it isn't just you, I can't spend 5 minutes looking through an INTJ forum.

EDIT: Wait, I think I had a point earlier: Maybe you aren't INTJ?

 

[Razare]

From my experience being very INTJ when I was young... No, you likely would not get along with other INTJ's. The INTJ forum exists so that INTJ's can belong to something and revel in their own shared ego of superiority. At least that's my understanding of what goes on there.

INTJ's are very single-minded, like a horse with blinders. Unless you stand directly on the path towards their goal, you're invisible to them. Though, I'm probably being too critical and stereotypical of the personality, keep that in mind.

You're more likely to enjoy this forum because INTP's like to discuss a variety of ideas and interests. I've known an INTJ friend online, and I'd always offer input on his projects and stuff; just little insights that'd help him along. INTP's are good for that sort of thing.

 

[Aiss]

If you're unsure about your type (despite the tests - which is possible BTW, you might have habits which are associated with different preferences), read a bit about functions and how they work. Ni/Te sounds much different from Ne/Ti.

If you're sure about your type... well, we could always use other types to inspire our Ne into sprouting new and fantastical ideas with their oddity, don't we, guys?

 

[Anthile]

INTJ is my standard result for some reason. People say that INFJ fits me most but actually INTP might be the most realistic. Actually, I have no idea.

 

[Cogwulf]

The INTJ forum exists so that INTJ's can belong to something and revel in their own shared ego of superiority. At least that's my understanding of what goes on there.

From my brief experience there, I would say that sums it up very well. I'm sure that each poster there is certain that he/she is the best person on the forum, but each is completely blind to the fact that everyone else there thinks the same thing

 

[Polaris]

From my brief experience there, I would say that sums it up very well. I'm sure that each poster there is certain that he/she is the best person on the forum, but each is completely blind to the fact that everyone else there thinks the same thing

That is very true. I tend to think that I'm the only person out there with this amazing idea, go to the forum to release this idea, and....D'OH!

On the other hand, I am also looking for individuals who think completely out of the square, and have found only one or two people who are quite original in their thinking. All the other ideas discussed seem to be somehow past their use by date, I want something new and revolutionary...?!

I get irritated by the fixation on behaving like an INTJ, and how some individuals seem to think they have to be cynical to the point of it being pretentious. I am cynical, but only when it comes to things that begs further scrutiny, such as the media, advertising and politicians. And religion, the armed forces, perhaps science.... and, and....etc...but I am not cynical about the human race in general, I have a lot of hope for humanity and think we are capable of more than we admit to. I am also empathetic, and believe you get a lot further with an open mind and a kind heart. If I say that on the INTJ forum I'd get shot down immediately. I may do here as well...argh...

I have tried to answer the questions in the tests as honestly as I can, to the point where I'm not sure if I'm making stuff up to change my outcome completely, and the blasted INTJ still comes up! Maybe it is true that INTJ' wouldn't get along very well, it seems we tolerate each other more than like each other. Too much competition, but when someone displays original thinking I do take my hat off, humbly.

So yes, me coming here is a bit of an experiment, as I think it is the MBTI that I associate with other than INTJ. I should try the ESFP forum, just to see what would happen. It could be fun!

 

[Anthile]

I think that is part of an rather odd phenomenon from which other type forums suffer as well: S-type people think they are their N-type counterparts because they like the descriptions better. Thus, intpcentral is full with ISTPs and intjforum is full with ISTJs. I think the worst part was in one of the INFJ forums where seemed to be more ISFJs than INFJs. Of course the overall quality and atmosphere suffers severely from this. Actually, I blame the people who made the descriptions for this. Especially INFP and INFJ descriptions tend to fall into the "too good for this world" nonsense. INTP and INTJ aren't much better off with almost all important philosophers and scientists being one of these two types.

 

[Fukyo]

Especially INFP and INFJ descriptions tend to fall into the "too good for this world" nonsense. INTP and INTJ aren't much better off with almost all important philosophers and scientists being one of these two types.

Ugh,there was a thread with the name "INFPs and INFJs are angels on earth" or something along those lines where people just kept complimenting and hugging each other on another forum.Made me want to do the good old *headdesk*.

There are groups of people in MBTI forums that tend to confine themselves to a kind of extreme "my type only" thinking,like INTPc with their "omg,we're so brilliant,intelligent,analytical and logical,all other types are completely inferior to us,elitism ftw."
or INFP globbalchatter (which is filled with immature,whiny 13 yeard old IXFPs for the most part) and other forums where it goes more like "i'm so depressed because not every single person i know likes me and validates my feelings,people have to validate my feelings and be super nice to me or else they are cruel sadists!1 they don't feel emotions as profoundly as we do" etc

I lurk often on INFJ forum,and I haven't seen anyone I'd type as ISFJ,it's a pretty decent forum actually.As far as INTJ forum goes,I don't know as it won't let me register for some weird reason. Someone on INTPc said that you have to fish for Ni on INTJ forum(implying that they mostly talk Te there) though,so it might just be the general atmosphere and mentality of the forum that doesn't suit you.There are plenty of people who post in other type forums simply because they like them better.

 

[Melkor]

Fukyo is too good for the world.


Hell is a more approriate spot for her and her kind.


Evening polaris.

Perhaps you're such a strong INTJ that you feel even superior to your own kind?


Or maybe you're a social reject who doesn't fit in anywhere!?


Well, we're all social rejects!


Which oddly, doesn't make us like each other, we're still rejects among rejects.


Come and sit in our err....circle of warmth, it is composed of corners and chairs of varying heights.....

 

[Fukyo]

Hell is a more approriate spot for her and her kind.

I completely agree.

Come and sit in our err....circle of warmth, it is composed of corners and chairs of varying heights.....

It's a trap!

 

[Melkor]

With a dress like that, theres only one place you'll be safe.

Clue:



And no, don't be foolish, it's not a trap.

It's simply the bait.

 

[Polaris]

Ugh,there was a thread with the name "INFPs and INFJs are angels on earth" or something along those lines where people just kept complimenting and hugging each other on another forum.Made me want to do the good old *headdesk*.

That would do my head in.

I have to say your user name puts a smile on my face.

I lurk often on INFJ forum,and I haven't seen anyone I'd type as ISFJ,it's a pretty decent forum actually.

Yes I am quite curious about this type, there's a couple of them on the INTJ forum, and they are quite....pleasant.

As far as INTJ forum goes,I don't know as it won't let me register for some weird reason.

That's weird. But then nothing really surprises me regarding that forum. Joining it is like a kind of pleasure/pain kind of experience, so if you're into that.....hm

Perhaps you're such a strong INTJ that you feel even superior to your own kind?

Yes, of course, Melkor

Or maybe you're a social reject who doesn't fit in anywhere!?

That is too close to home.......

No, seriously, I have always been an outcast. Grew up in a forest, quite isolated. Had lots of time to think and do independently. Started school, where everyone thought I was a freak because I could already read and write, and had the teacher doting on me to my greatest embarrassement. Result: everyone detested me.

Well, we're all social rejects!

True. Except the ESFJ population. They're all like one homogenous mass of F, all together in loving, hugging bliss...forever. They make the rest of the world feel like an outcast.

Which oddly, doesn't make us like each other, we're still rejects among rejects.

I could grow to like you Melkor

Come and sit in our err....circle of warmth, it is composed of corners and chairs of varying heights.....

.....Thank you (sits down gingerly, while looking suspiciously over her shoulder).

And no, don't be foolish, it's not a trap.

It's simply the bait.

No one traps Polaris But I do like chocolate.........

 

[Yellow]

I've tested INTJ a couple of times, but after thoroughly reading up on all of the personality types, realized that I was not INTJ but in fact an INTP.

That was exactly my situation as well... in fact, that was basically my intro statement to this forum.

@Polaris. I joined the INTJ forum at first as well and also felt annoyed at being put in the group with them (no offence). Mostly because I was so happy to have found the MBTI thing, and INTJ was similar enough to me to make me feel less like a freak. I became annoyed as I realized that I wasn't like them at all. Perhaps, as others have said the forum simply didn't suit you, or maybe you aren't actually an INTJ.

 

[Da Blob]

I do not know how the numbers reflect the fact, but personality can change over the years. I am quite sure that I was an INTJ for the first 30 or 40 years of my life, but I mellowed out a bit and no longer need to rush to judgement etc.
Of course I am just barely P (4-8%) and perhaps that is something to look into, just how strong the J or P scores are... I mean just answering 2 or 3 questions can swing the categorization to P or J. I think all just generalizations derived from tests must be taken with a bit of skepticism...

 

[wadlez]

No one likes INTJ's, not even other INTJ's. No one wants to be an INTJ either.
There dominant function is not Thinking, but there secondary extroverted attitude is, the one they show to the world. They go through life acting like there really smart to non thinking types, who accept it because its not there function and dont know any better. Actuall thinking types though, like INTP or ENTJ see the flaws in there logic and cant stand them.
There stubborn and socially retarded, so dont even make good company.
They really hate being typed as it goes against there main Introverted iNtuitive function. They wont admit this is the reason though but rather make logical arguments with there Thinking function, which frustrates actual Thinkers.

 

[Luzian]

Fukyo is too good for the world.


Hell is a more approriate spot for her and her kind.


Evening polaris.

Perhaps you're such a strong INTJ that you feel even superior to your own kind?


Or maybe you're a social reject who doesn't fit in anywhere!?


Well, we're all social rejects!


Which oddly, doesn't make us like each other, we're still rejects among rejects.


Come and sit in our err....circle of warmth, it is composed of corners and chairs of varying heights.....

I'm tired of you:
idolizing other forum members
talking about hell
and talking about inadaquacy and self-hatred.

 

[walfin]

There, there. Now, nothing's the matter with INTJs, not even the ones on INTJ forum; they're just grossly misunderstood. (Does this make me an NF? I actually do believe that)

I saw one guy on INTPc before who always came out INTP but couldn't stand INTPs and loved INTJf. Well, such things happen.

INTJs tend to exhibit a bit of a one track mind, though (on INTJf), which makes INTPs annoyed with them, that's all.

And about sensing type bashing. It's not their fault they're the masses.

 

[Aiss]

^ If that guy formed his opinion of INTPs based on INTPc... well I think I'd have preferred INTJf as well.

Also whatever the faults of INTJf, it has at least one advantage over us - displaying MBTI type of the user next to their posts. In almost every discussion where it matters posters state what's their type. It's kind of repetitive.

 

[Enne]

They ARE the organized ones. :/

So how come, when I finally decided to join an INTJ forum, I found myself becoming increasingly frustrated and irritated by the type?

heh.


All the forums have their weaknesses. I agree with the notion that there are probably a lot of S-types frequenting these forums. I think entp.org is full of ESTPs who dig the hip nutty professor "ENTP(TM)" image. It's possible that INTJf is sprinkled with ISTJs who are opinionated and (somewhat) clever. It's strange to see an N-forum excessively full of groupthink.

 

[del]

INTJf is ok. I like it because they are thought-provoking, but they're useless to discuss anything with.

INTP forums are just as thought provoking, but I'll admit -- sometimes ya'll carry on so long analyzing something that my eyes glaze over a bit, lol. (Not that that's bad, I just don't have the requisite attention span.)

ENTP.org is, I'll admit, sometimes boring. Either it's a blast in the pants, or everyone is thinking the same thing anway (and then what's the point of discussing?), which is at once both amusing and disturbing; or it turns into a contest of "no, I AM the most eccentric person evar!!!$@$23 muahahaha" with a whole lot of ego stroking. Which I don't particularly have anything against, just please, not in public.

 

[Polaris]

That was exactly my situation as well... in fact, that was basically my intro statement to this forum.

@Polaris. I joined the INTJ forum at first as well and also felt annoyed at being put in the group with them (no offence). Mostly because I was so happy to have found the MBTI thing, and INTJ was similar enough to me to make me feel less like a freak. I became annoyed as I realized that I wasn't like them at all. Perhaps, as others have said the forum simply didn't suit you, or maybe you aren't actually an INTJ.

Yes I felt excited at first too....that quickly died off. As for my type, I am balanced between J and P more or less, that could be why. As I have grown older I have mellowed, as DA Blob sums it up:

I do not know how the numbers reflect the fact, but personality can change over the years. I am quite sure that I was an INTJ for the first 30 or 40 years of my life, but I mellowed out a bit and no longer need to rush to judgement etc.
Of course I am just barely P (4-8%) and perhaps that is something to look into, just how strong the J or P scores are... I mean just answering 2 or 3 questions can swing the categorization to P or J. I think all just generalizations derived from tests must be taken with a bit of skepticism...

There, there. Now, nothing's the matter with INTJs, not even the ones on INTJ forum; they're just grossly misunderstood. (Does this make me an NF? I actually do believe that)

And about sensing type bashing. It's not their fault they're the masses.

No, I was just being silly. I have a very good friend who tested ESFJ, and she is wonderful. Genuinely caring and nice, everyone likes her, and for a very good reason. she is also very bright, just finishing a major in biology. We have a lot in common, even though she's a lot younger, and a very different type. One can always find common ground, somehow.

INTJf is ok. I like it because they are thought-provoking, but they're useless to discuss anything with.

I think some of them are, but not all. I get the distinct feeling INTPs do not take themselves too seriously. They are not so RIGID. More humour. And that to me shows a more developed intellect. INTJs are clever, but not always intelligent, or they do not use it properly. Now I'll get my head bitten off by INTJ lurkers......I think the intelligent INTJs tend to stay away from the forum perhaps...??

 

[INTPINFP]

The INTJ's you'll find in the INTJ forum are a bit of a mixed bag, unfortunately. Some are cool, some are not. Apparently 2% of all INTJ's in the world are male, while only 0.5% are female. But glancing at the forum the numbers seem different.

When I read the descriptions of various MBTI types, I find a lot of the charachteristics I share in multiple personality types, even E types. For me, my MBTI is the personality with the most attributes I share in common, even though I have attributes in every personality. Kinda the reason I take MBTI with a grain of salt...