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How to learn to manage time and stop settling for mediocrity?

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Hi,

I'm new here, so excuse me for barging in. But, a trait many of you share, I have a huge time procrastinating. I mean, I have to write a paper, and once I figured out the basic idea, I stopped caring about it and haven't gotten around to fine tuning it, or even writing it !

I did one whole BA where I studied the night before exams ( English lit and linguistics ) and I passed.

Now I study philosophy and it takes DEDICATION.


How can I change?


I have a strong desire to go really far, do a Phd (I have one more year of a BA, next year, and have to retake some stuff I failed this year).


Help !! How can I juggle all this stuff when sometimes I just allow myself to read about health on the internet for hours and hours....


Thanks.
 

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I did a BA in English lit, theology and philosophy. None of them really need dedication. People can give you all these tips on time management but it's incredibly hard to stick to a plan unless you're that sort of a person.

You should go to the INTJ forum. They have plenty of threads on this sort of thing.
 

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Well, maybe you already have Kant, Pascal, Wittgenstein, Plato, Hume ingraved in your head from birth somehow, but I personally have to read the texts.

Not only that, I am doing this whole BA in a foreign country, in another language not my own. I cannot skim and scan like I can in English reading. It takes me longer. I have to abandon the ease and eloquence that comes along with writing in my native language, as well.


So... I would like to become more dedicated. Because I want to do well, and not just get by.
 

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The process for going about it is unclear, but I find the best thing is to really examine what you're doing in the context of your hopes and goals. Think about it and be certain that you want to accomplish it, what effort it is worth...

On the other hand, if you have the time available to not work on it, maybe you should just not work on it. It is an option...

One trick I was told in a situation concerning drawing... No matter how you're feeling, sit down, pick up the pencil and make a few lines. You're writing, so no matter how unacceptable it feels, sit down and write the next sentence. Sometimes forcefully taking the first step can make the second step easier... eventually turning the mindset about.

There have actually been a few other threads on this topic - which is a good thing cause this response is a poor answer to your hope of finding a solution. :D

Motivation and Laziness Thread
Time Management and Organization Thread

There still might be another one out there, but I didn't find it. Good luck on your project!
 

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Well, maybe you already have Kant, Pascal, Wittgenstein, Plato, Hume ingraved in your head from birth somehow, but I personally have to read the texts.

Not only that, I am doing this whole BA in a foreign country, in another language not my own. I cannot skim and scan like I can in English reading. It takes me longer. I have to abandon the ease and eloquence that comes along with writing in my native language, as well.


So... I would like to become more dedicated. Because I want to do well, and not just get by.


Y'know there's this thing called the internet nowadays. You can go on these "site" thingeys where they tell what a book is about, it's themes and any hidden meanings within it. I apologize for all the sarcasm, I'm kinda tired.

Why did you go to another country. That wasn't very smart. Did they kick you out of your own country. Yet again I'm sorry for sounding like...Melkor.

Unfortunately, the only thing you can do is force yourself to become dedicated. It sucks and it's a very hard thing for a natural born procrastinator to do.In the end if you want to get through it, you either plagiarize like hell or tie yourself to a chair and force yourself to study. I choose the former.
 

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I'll read those with interest. :)

Hi,
I have a huge time procrastinating.
Now I study philosophy and it takes DEDICATION.
I'm a terrible procrastinator myself, but almost never did so at university. Hmm, how did I do that...
- quickly recognize that I just can't study in the weekend (I'd procrastinate till Sunday night and the guilt ruins the weekend)
- always study what we had seen in class ASAP (within hours or at least the same day). Because 1. when coming out of class you're still in the mood for the topic, no time is easier to 'finish it off' - sacrifice depth and quality if need be, but get it out of your way; 2. because it's fresh in memory, studying is fast, which saves you a lot of study hours per week
- Plan thoroughly to be able to get the work out of your way ASAP, incl. taking advantage of 'lost moments'.
- a clear reward (e.g. knowing you won't have to do a damn thing in the weekend; satisfaction from knowing you have more leisure time than other students, feeling fully in control while everyone complains they can't keep up ... serves as permanent satisfier/reinforcement)
- use intensity (by setting ambitious nearby deadlines for each small task) as a weapon to prevent your mind from wandering off to fatal distractions
- ban any distractions from sight. Avoid the use of a pc (a distraction to me) for studying (if unavoidable, keep it till the very end, just before your play time). When there's the urge to indulge in something else (never occured while I was working, due to intensity, but of course it happens before you start working), then write it down to do in your planned leisure time and re-focus. Never give in, or you'll be lost for the rest of the day (if you're anything like me). Focus on completion within the ambitious timeframe you have set.
- pauses are to be avoided, unless necessary (and then short, planned, and physical... don't browse the net, but dance to music, or shower/have breakfast)
- In conclusion, I turned the 'duty' (of studying) into a competitive game, and it worked fantastically for me.

So far my self-analysis! Hope it helps! :)
 

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Why did I go to another country? To learn the language. And I speak it pretty damn well, now. And plan on moving to another one in seven years after I load up on degrees to learn another language.

I think my professors would all laugh at me if I just used wikipedia to study. Some people actually read books still these days, you should try it. And... Logic and languages are things that need to be practiced.

Yeah, you should be sorry for your sarcasm because it is misplaced.
 

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And we can't plagiarize. We have specific topics that need to be analysed, and we need to form a problem from the subject the give us, and argue about it. That cannot be plagiarized.

I do philosophy, not reading summaries on the net. It's about reading and analyzing for yourself.
 

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If not, gread advice concojones. Thank you.
 

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Hi,

I'm new here, so excuse me for barging in. But, a trait many of you share, I have a huge time procrastinating. I mean, I have to write a paper, and once I figured out the basic idea, I stopped caring about it and haven't gotten around to fine tuning it, or even writing it !

I did one whole BA where I studied the night before exams ( English lit and linguistics ) and I passed.

Now I study philosophy and it takes DEDICATION.


How can I change?


I have a strong desire to go really far, do a Phd (I have one more year of a BA, next year, and have to retake some stuff I failed this year).


Help !! How can I juggle all this stuff when sometimes I just allow myself to read about health on the internet for hours and hours....


Thanks.


i know how you feel here, i have a paper that i am to write for history and i started on it then i got to where i got bored with it so i haven't gotten around to finshing it off, and its due monday so i better get on the ball with it....
 

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You better get working! I don't know what kind of frustrations are making that guy tell me dedication doesn't matter, but we should both be working.

Stupid for moving to another country? Hmmm...? Bitter about living in mommy's basement?


Maybe your degree was worthess, but mine requires work (wolf guy).


Anyway, I have spring break and it is for working.


Ugggghhh I also realized that I needed to add some stuff from Wittgenstein in my paper. I hate getting into that.
 

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Ok, Fury, I get it now. You think philosophy is Camus. Of course it doesn't take dedication to read that....
 

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Maybe your degree was worthess, but mine requires work (wolf guy).

Hahahaha. Lay it to him, Nap. I like how you referred to him as "wolf guy." lol I've never heard Fury so callous! Bad, wolf guy! Shame!

You might find my sarcasm a bit more playfully placed.

Anyway, I like what concojones said, but I found that it lacked a certain specification. Here's mine. Combined with jones, this might make things even easier:

- Turn on Phoenix. They're like pot. They rock without trying very hard, and they make everything better. And I can still smoke them without getting into trouble with my wife.
- Make a pizza. Or if you're vegan, grow some vegetables.
- Turn off your phone, sister. (This goes off of what jones said about distractions.) That thing is toxic. You don't need to talk to ANYONE. You need to write. Now.
- While your grub is coming up, come up with three opening theses. The first of them should be the most simpleton bull shit you've ever read (e.g. "Philosophy is philosophical."), but should be clear and concise enough to convey a very generic message without any "wow's." The second one should be a "better version" of the first one, and the third should be a "clever version" of the first. If you end up liking none of them, start over from the beginning (yes, turn on Phoenix, again.) or combine the second and third.
- WRITE! Don't think. Write this stuff down. The more motion in the ocean, the bigger the waves. Don't even think about what that sporadic, made-up-on-the spot turn of phrase is supposed to mean. Just get that hand moving/those fingers tip-tip-typing away. It's like Saph was sayin. You'll never start unless you start!
- Check your pizza/vegetables. If it is done cooking/growing, bring it onto the scene to keep you thinking. Napkins are a plus, if you're eating pizza. You can come back to that every time you write a paragraph. *slaps Nap's hand* Pay attention.
- Keep a provocative overtone throughout your first half, and tone it down throughout the latter half. I've found that, while this keeps you busy on the topic, it helps to develop comic relief. Yes. Comic relief...
- Use comic relief. It doesn't even have to be funny. It just has to keep ol' proffy reading, so he doesn't feel the indigestion it takes to slap a crap grade on your well-written work. It also gives you character, so the prof knows you weren't just copying this shit down from Wikipedia. Though, Wikipedia does rock. You can usually find a good place for this after a nicely written, dramatically thoughtful paragraph or two.
- Marathon! Like a darting arrow, you should be on this until it's done. Do NOT stop unless it is to dance to Phoenix. This will be hard not to do often, as they are almost as provocative as your overtone.
- Finish with a line that is conclusive. I don't know how many times my masterpieces were touched and turned to feces by my professors in college just because I ended with stuff in the spirit of, "And the wooorld... may never know...!" It was never out of context. It was just not what they wanted to hear. I ALWAYS had knockout papers that were EXTREMELY informative and well-written. But I liked to end dramatically. What can I say? They want to know that you've not only done your homework, but that you could basically win in a fight against the personification of the subject you're studying wearing boxing gloves. You ARE philosophy. No. You're Philosophy's fuckin bully, and you want Philosophy's milk money (soy milk money, if you're vegan). Put your arm around Philosophy, pretend to be its friend, sucker punch it in the gut, and give it something to go home about.
- Stay off of intpforum.
- Ignore the fact that I've just basically written an essay on "how to write a paper" instead of one on how to begin one. I really did mean well. :p Maybe I should stay out of things that aren't broken. concojones actually gave you plenty of advice in hindsight. Anyway, you've come this far, so I find it difficult to believe you're gonna mess this up.

We all have a huge time procrastinating. I hope my advice has made yours a little smaller. You're gonna do really well, Carnap. I think you're great! :o
 

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I'm new here as well. :) I'm not very sure of myself yet, so I'm going to try jump right in.

I see your question has been answered, and very well, but I'm usually busy and have to periodically stop everything I'm doing at both of my jobs, so to get things done I do a few things. If I have most things done and can't think of anything else, I ask myself what I can do that can be productive. That helps with re-analyzing and finding the loose ends so I can tie them up. I also triage tasks if I'm busy, based on how much time they take/how important they are/whether or not there's some sort of waiting that I can use to do something else.

For papers, I just open a word document, type notes in it and when I have what feels like enough information, I'll start typing underneath the notes. Once that information is all down, I'll look through more and add to it while I continue finding the info. With that method, it doesn't take me very long to write a paper. It doesn't get rid of procrastinating, but it shortens it because I only put off one task, not two.

I hope that helps somewhat. :)
 

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Thanks all, yeah for sure my biggest problem is internet.

I can spend hours on it without even noticing...
 

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And yes, I am a vegan. Am I that painfully transparent/trendy? haha !
 

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I KNEW IT! I really don't know why I knew you were a vegan. I think maybe I got a pretty clean picture of you from your delivery of your opinion on your own theological beliefs in another thread. That, in combination with your snappily worded wit, progressive European overtones, and intellectual prowess (what little of it you've shared), (voila!) allowed me to paint one of those rare portraits of an interesting person all by candlelight!

The rest of my mental picture of you is probably way off. Who knows. I get a bullseye every once in a while, though. Want me to guess your weight/height? lol
 

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Hmm.. or you looked at my profile. Alternative medicine might have been a give away.

Goodnight, all. Man, this is just one more forum to add to the time wasting. At least this one urged me to open a book up tonight.


I have three papers to write and five subjects to study (Latin, Epistemology, some crap on Descartes, class on probability, Kant, metaphysics, etc. The papers : science as social construction, morality and evolutionary biology, how is conciousness of one's self knowledge? )

Oh, and I have to do that all in French (I'm from Michigan originally, will be in Iran in ten years with a Phd, I hope). But of course, that doesn't take any dedication whatsoever. I'll just zap it into existence.




I'm gonna try to limit my internet to...three hours a day.

Bye for now, nice meeting you all.
 

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I think we're all in need of advice about getting stuff done. Maybe we shouldn't consider this thread concluded just yet?
 

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Temporal Motivation Theory and Structured Procrastination (which were brought to my attention on this forum by Jesin?) seem to be the best cause of and solution to procrastination that I've seen. Not that it helps me be any less of a procrastinator. Google if you like.


I read a lot of my philosophy books, but for the ones I wasn't particularly interested in I would go in to the professor's office hours every couple of weeks to talk to them about things to get a clearer picture of the ideas being presented. Often, just going to class (if you understand the language.. lol) makes it pretty easy to get a grasp of the professor's interpretation of the text. And seeing it through their lens is the safest bet for a good grade.

I'd guess that Philosophy is probably the easiest major there is for an INTP. The professors were all NT's and the whole point was to share abstract thoughts.. and then a couple times a quarter/semester you'd have to regurgitate and critique them in your own words to get an easy A. What could be easier for the average INTP? :confused:
 

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Maybe in the US, but here the method is much more rigourous. I'm sure once I have mastered how to analyse and structure the paper the way they want, it will flow...

Last semester they criticized me saying I was not following the rules for paper writing, so I think that is my main problem.


And yeah, finding motivation to read Descartes when all I wanna do is read up on epistemology.


Unfortunately the system here is more of a rigid hierarchy. We cannot chat with our professors. I do go to the tutoring session where the girl tries to give me advice on organizing my time. Do I follow it...?
 

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Have you gone to school in the US before, Nap?
 

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I'm a high school dropout...

Then I took two years of French at a community college and came on over here. Did some studies in English to maintain a visa, and now this.
 

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Neat. I couldn't tell by your earlier anecdotes if you were from Minnesota (or was it Michigan?) or Iran. Both?

Anway, that's beside the point. How far have you gotten with that work? Eh? Better get on it!
 
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