Forum Mafia Game #2

[Reluctantly]

... the first two turned out to be town, so I'm now (obviously) second guessing RB. Fact is, he comes across as a bit too calm, collected and in control - but that could well be his actual personality. I wouldn't know, as I don't know the guy.

I wouldn't let two Town going after each other make you feel like you should second guess yourself. They confused each other, lol.

RB is a bit weird this game though. In the last one he was very engaged in scum hunting, actively pushing cases and pressing hard on people; and although they never got a mafia, it was all he had to go on. Now he's holding back, jumping around, being really ..."safe" about what he says. Of course, he claims it's because of last game, but...it isn't natural to his posting style on the forum either where he's usually very prickly and rebellious. It was also kind of weird how detached he was from the Sinny vote last round, waiting for others to talk first and never chiming in against sinny. I waited for him to say something last round after Sinny became a clear target and he never did.

 

[PmjPmj]

... and you're the cop, right?

Vote Redbaron.

I can't be wrong about all of them, surely?

 

[redbaron]

Of course, he claims it's because of last game, but...it isn't natural to his posting style on the forum either where he's usually very prickly and rebellious. It was also kind of weird how detached he was from the Sinny vote last round, waiting for others to talk first and never chiming in against sinny. I waited for him to say something last round after Sinny became a clear target and he never did.

Huh?

I spent all of Day 2 going after Gopher and Sinny, when Day 3 came Gopher role-claimed and there was no reason not to believe him because there was no counter-claim except for Sinny - who I already suspected as scum. Sinny was a clear target in the first place because of me. Then by the time I came back she'd posted her QT and self-voted.

Also, question: why would anyone be not calm about having their highest scum read lynched? LOL.

~

Anyway not going to bother fighting since this is hugely unproductive as you're confirmed town. Town-on-town fight is pointless (hence why I didn't bother fighting Hadoblado that much when he accused me). I'm just going to scum hunt because it's not lynch or lose at the moment, so even if I do get lynched and die - at least when I flip green you can analyse my Town-confirmed suspicions and you stand a better chance of finding mafia.

That said my top mafia reads would be: Urakro, Jenny, Spacelog - probably in that order.

Reluctantly is cop, Ika is about as town as I can place him. I can't see a highly experienced scum player coming into a game of newbs and automatically voting a scum partner. It's too likely that everyone will just hammer on them on account of his opinion. He basically came in, offered his reads and settled a vote on Sinny.

I won't vote to lynch either of those 2 today.

Urakro: highest scum read tbh. All game he's been getting the benefit of the doubt as if he's some harmless newb just trying stuff out. Wish I could believe it, but so far he's voted on multiple Town lynches - and was very reluctant to vote Sinny after the role-claim.

Also he's reluctant to ever push anything, which I don't find consistent with the fact that he's doing other apparently Town things. If he knows how Town should play, he knows that it's pointless to back off on a target at their first reasonable response. He basically pressures then stops, pressures then stops at all points.

The thing is, he does a 'Town' thing of coming up with original thoughts as to why someone is scum. Which is what town do because they're trying to piece stuff together. What he doesn't do is ever continue it. He basically accuses whoever, then whenever resistance is offered he then steps back and apologizes, like he's worried about offending people.

Imo, this isn't what Town do. If they have original ideas as to why someone is scum, they don't get apologetic over it - they want to keep testing their idea because that's how you catch scum. He's never committed to any of his reads or ideas at all, and I read that as him running out of things to actually say - because he has to pretend to come up with original ideas as opposed to acctually having ideas he can follow-through with.

Preferred lynch tbh.

Jenny: I dunno. Hasn't really hunted anyone specifically, and says things that could be both scum or town. Null-read, need her to input more.

Spacelog: Day 3 was short so I don't have much to go off. Zerkalo was prone to mysterious disappearances. Also, Zerkalo was apparently real suspicious of Sinny but it wasn't until I put her as one of my top scum reads that she said: "thank you for pointing out Sinny, I'd suspected her!"

She left a Sinny vote on a day that it was clear ther only lynches were going to be Gopher or Hado, then subs out of game. Spacelogs entry was null-read for me, and Zerkalo was slight town read. Honestly I have less problem with Spacelog than the other 3, but he's not as high on my town reads as Ika/Reluctantly so I'll still lynch.

Also Spacelog's experienced, I wanna know what he has to say.

Also: we need Reluctantly to contribute a lot today. If you think I'm scum, that's fine - I don't really care. You're the only 100% confirmed-town right now and your opinion matters. We have no Doctor so you're probably going to die to next NK. If I'm your highest scum-read that's fine, but there's 2 mafia left as well and it's better that you leave a lot of information behind for when you die because your motives don't need to be questioned.

Pmj is FoS, but I want to see what he does today.

 

[PmjPmj]

Wow. Quiet day.

 

[Jennywocky]

Urakro? Pmj? Red Baron? everyone else other than Ika and Jenny?

Is the game dead? lol.

It's funny how once Gopher and Hado stopped playing, everything just kinda... stopped. Lol. Then again, I think together they both comprised 40% of the posting, and Hado got lynched on Day #2.

 

[PmjPmj]

It's a damn ghost town in here.

 

[redbaron]

@Pmj what are your scum reads and why?

"follow the cop" doesn't make sense when the cop has been roleblocked all game.

 

[Jennywocky]

Fine, this isn't done, but here are my current thoughts as they stand.

Current Tiers of suspicion
PMJ, Baron, Ika
Urakro
Shapelog
Reluctantly (verified Town / claimed cop)



PMJ

PMJ was one of three I actually DID focus on earlier in game. (The other two were Gopher and Hado because they were making so much noise.)

- His attacks on Hado were relentlessly bombastic, much as Baron’s attacks at Sinny/Gopher.
- I called him out in thread (while also pushing Hado) for being all sound and fury but with no actual evidence that Hado was who he said he was. I told him he needed to pony up and offer some justification.
- When he was wrong, he played the shocked-and-surprised card, although then it was clear that Gopher/Sinny would be the next line of inquiry, which provided obvious cover.
- He’s threatened to quit the game on a few occasions, which would give cover if didn’t participate as fully. (Of course, he didn’t.)
- He had no really good response to Baron’s points made Day 3 except to beg off.
- Looks like Gopher saw him as very suspect.


Redbaron

Baron’s play this game consists mainly of attacks on Sinny and Gopher. Obviously he was right about Sinny.

- I have no idea why he picked Gopher and Sinny as targets; I was focused on Hado and Gopher since both were making so much noise and you’d think one of their cases would make sense if the other was proven wrong.
- He appeared WAY too confident, never wavering. At all. Was this just a flushing strategy or a bad play?
- He was part of that whole clusterfuck of players.
- Baron’s confusing because his play is scummy, but he also got mislynched on Game #1 (as Town) for doing the exact same stuff. He also behaves this way on the forum. And he took a ban for attacking Sinny on the forum. They don’t like each other. But that’s meta.


Ika

Ika came on Day 2. He has provided a few basic strategy tidbits on Day 3 to us n00bs and directed some Sinny interrogation. He’s a big question mark to me.

- Playing Bronto’s slot. Bronto was forcibly replaced for only making one crap post on Day 1… so he was already reading crap Town or lurky Scum.
- NOTABLE lurk / minimal input on Day 2.
- If he’s scum, he would have made plans with teammates on N2.
- Quick leap on Sinny, although it kind of snuck in there when she was already falling under major suspicion.
- Input looks useful, but not a lot of meat when you read his posts.
- I strongly suspect his Town and Scum meta are similar: The style plays very well for both minimalist Town or benevolent Scum.
- I have no baseline for him as he only joined INTPf to replace Bronto.
- Experienced Mafia player (40+ games), so I’m pretty sure he can run circles around me.


The Sinny bus

Sinny could have been bussed. Obviously, if she WAS bussed, it would have been Baron (for the heat-seeking missile bus) or Ika (for the Frank Underway subway shove bus). The blatant bus is audacious enough, Baron thought he might have gotten away with it. The subtle bus is one that is far more apt to escape reprisal for Ika.

 

[Jennywocky]

As far as Urakro (who is being brought up).

He built up some Green clout in Day 1 and 2, so that gave him leeway to me. he also tried on a number of strategies in those days. this seems believable to me as a new player, as far as patterns go.

But now he's just kind of conveniently drifted out of view.

He was actually gunning for Gopher and was very sure of himself, and as soon as Gopher declared doctor, he didn't even question it. That just seemed ... remarkable. I mean, when a scum is a clear lynch, of COURSE they are going to declare if they think they can take a true PR down with them. Urakro seemed to think so much, I have trouble understanding why he wouldn't even push back.

He wouldn't give any serious answers after that, and now has been conspicuously absent.

Like I said, I had read him as green earlier, so that shifted him back towards null for me.

 

[Jennywocky]

Shapelog is least on my suspicion list. Everyone is suspect, it'st just Spacelog least.

Zerk was a confusing player to me, she did some scummy things in her gameplay but then again never seemed to have any big plan in place either for what was happening.

Shapelog hasn't posted a lot right now. I like what he's posted, at least as far as attitude and the kinds of comments being posted. I just need more to work with.

 

[redbaron]

I've had so many arguments with Sinny on the forum I know what an indignant Town Sinny is supposed to look like. Also Gopher was simultaneously flaking on his Sinny scum read, and going after my highest Town read.

Noting also that Gopher knows Hado as well as if not better than I do outside of the game - I really expected him to see my points about Hado being Town. The others not so much.

I didn't get lynched Game 3 btw, I got NK'd because I started hinting that I was cop basically since the game was at a point where we needed Cop to actually come forward with a guilty read, since next day was LyLo if we didn't hit scum on lynch.

Anyway I was vanilla town that game and I spent pretty much the entire time arguing with other Town members and "going along" with lynches that weren't aligned with my highest scum reads. It's why I just kept insisting on Gopher+Sinny.

Also early in the game there's really no point in flaking on your best scum read. You tunnel until they satisfy your curiosity and/or somebody else does something that screams scum even louder.

I fucked up with Gopher, but he WAS playing the scummy doctor strategy anyway by his own admission. So it's to be expected.

Ideally I want Urakro to start responding, and for everyone to start talking. If Town is getting lynched today, we need to have a lot of interaction so that when they flip: we can see who targeted them, who they targeted etc.

It's the best means of getting info. Day3 was shit because Sinny suicided and cut our info gathering short - there's fuckall to analyse from what happened and it makes catching scum rly hard.

Case in point: there's two people on me for reasons that don't even make sense.

 

[redbaron]

Oh and, it's funny that Pmj sheeps on the one player confirmed town :^)

Also funny that Sinny suicided right after Pmj started taking more heat, while Gopher was basically calling me confirmed Town.

I wonder why mafia would NK Gopher who was saying RB = Town and leave alive Reluctantly who was saying RB = Mafia? They had both cop and doctor revealed and they had roleblocker alive, they can kill either one but they kill the one supporting me and leave alive the one targeting me.

:^)

 

[redbaron]

Anyway I was vanilla town that game and I spent pretty much the entire time arguing with other Town members and "going along" with lynches that weren't aligned with my highest scum reads. It's why I just kept insisting on Gopher+Sinny.

ABWOP: point being as to why this game I'm not getting involved in extended fights with people who I'm reading as most Town and also why I'm not relenting on my best scum reads.

 

[Reluctantly]

Reluctantly is cop, Ika is about as town as I can place him. I can't see a highly experienced scum player coming into a game of newbs and automatically voting a scum partner. It's too likely that everyone will just hammer on them on account of his opinion. He basically came in, offered his reads and settled a vote on Sinny.

I won't vote to lynch either of those 2 today.

Urakro: highest scum read tbh. All game he's been getting the benefit of the doubt as if he's some harmless newb just trying stuff out. Wish I could believe it, but so far he's voted on multiple Town lynches - and was very reluctant to vote Sinny after the role-claim.

Also he's reluctant to ever push anything, which I don't find consistent with the fact that he's doing other apparently Town things. If he knows how Town should play, he knows that it's pointless to back off on a target at their first reasonable response. He basically pressures then stops, pressures then stops at all points.

The thing is, he does a 'Town' thing of coming up with original thoughts as to why someone is scum. Which is what town do because they're trying to piece stuff together. What he doesn't do is ever continue it. He basically accuses whoever, then whenever resistance is offered he then steps back and apologizes, like he's worried about offending people.

Imo, this isn't what Town do. If they have original ideas as to why someone is scum, they don't get apologetic over it - they want to keep testing their idea because that's how you catch scum. He's never committed to any of his reads or ideas at all, and I read that as him running out of things to actually say - because he has to pretend to come up with original ideas as opposed to acctually having ideas he can follow-through with.

Preferred lynch tbh.

I think I agree. He/She is essentially playing the "I'm confused and don't know what to do, but I'm town" role.

Reluctantly is cop, Ika is about as town as I can place him. I can't see a highly experienced scum player coming into a game of newbs and automatically voting a scum partner. It's too likely that everyone will just hammer on them on account of his opinion. He basically came in, offered his reads and settled a vote on Sinny.

Only problem I have with this is that Ika doesn't say anything to suggest a stance on who to lynch or why or any kind of analysis of the players. Instead Ika provides a line of questioning. Sinny would be a good cover; if I was mafia I'd jump on mafia just to make myself look more town. yeah, it means losing mafia, but also means staying uncover for most of the game. It would make it a lot harder to play. I really need Ika to play a more involved role or I'm not really sure what to think, which makes me want to get rid of the unknown factor.

Jenny: I dunno. Hasn't really hunted anyone specifically, and says things that could be both scum or town. Null-read, need her to input more.

Yeah, I think it would clear things up if she addressed this. But for myself, I can't read her as anything other than Town right now; she's very straight-forward and her method of holding off for more information and giving reads that align with a confused town working with limited information fits well with how I perceive her personality on the forum and with being Town. I mean dang, if she's mafia, she's good.

Oh and, it's funny that Pmj sheeps on the one player confirmed town :^)

Also funny that Sinny suicided right after Pmj started taking more heat, while Gopher was basically calling me confirmed Town.

I wonder why mafia would NK Gopher who was saying RB = Town and leave alive Reluctantly who was saying RB = Mafia? They had both cop and doctor revealed and they had roleblocker alive, they can kill either one but they kill the one supporting me and leave alive the one targeting me.

:^)

Heh, I was thinking that this morning over breakfast. Pmj jumped on you pretty fast. Essentially, they could have taken out Hado or I without any negative effect. But then again, they might have assumed we'd think that, judging from last round.

Your defense makes sense. Pmj is a bit more suspicious now in light of all this.

 

[Reluctantly]

EBWOP: When I say Hado, I mean Gopher. I keep doing that, doh.

 

[Shapelog]

I hate fucking hurricane season. Why is it every fucking game, I get my time that I set aside for mafia ruin by Zeus.

I am working through filters right now, and going to gives reads out in about 1 hour or so.

 

[Jennywocky]

Glad some people posted, I wasn't sure how to proceed.

I am on cell right now, but I will check back in later when I get home. I did post my three scummiest reads earlier today. Please challenge if I'm off. I need to know whether I'm thinking in a vacuum...

 

[ika]

i am here now that i have gotten most of my stuff done. im gonna take a quick nap and then try to look an iso of sinny

i would like ot hear the comments about her reads right before lynch and if theres any inconsitecny with her past reads

 

[Reluctantly]

I am on cell right now, but I will check back in later when I get home. I did post my three scummiest reads earlier today. Please challenge if I'm off. I need to know whether I'm thinking in a vacuum...

Oh sorry. I didn't respond because I agreed with your observations. They seem pretty accurate; I can only wait for what the others say now.

i am here now that i have gotten most of my stuff done. im gonna take a quick nap and then try to look an iso of sinny

i would like ot hear the comments about her reads right before lynch and if theres any inconsitecny with her past reads

I'm too lazy to go through all her posts, but she played innocent observer with no actual scum hunting or reading of people as scum throughout the game.

She did help fuel the Hado-Gopher fire by saying one of them is likely mafia and that the whole thing with Helvete, me, and Zerk had something going on there.

And she did use all that to suggest a veneer of innocence, as if we shouldn't have voted her because Town didn't have good reason to suspect her.

 

[Shapelog]

Almost Done (not really but still quite doneish)

If you have questions about anything (in general or what not) asides reads on players. You can ask me. Would like to generate a discussion While I finish up.

 

[Reluctantly]

I'll be here, but I just got to Prince Lothric in dark souls.

 

[Reluctantly]

Done. Going out for the rest of the day; 24 hours left, so hopefully some discussion happens soon. Ika and Shapelog and Urakro need to discuss things a bit more, maybe with Pmj chimming in. Otherwise, I'm tempted to suggest lynching ambiguous/lurking players, because even if they turn out town, it'll help Town have a more solid baseline for who to lynch next round,

bye

 

[PmjPmj]

Apologies, I've had a busy day.

You're reading far too much in to my vote for you RB. I can still see where you're coming from, but truth be told my heart just isn't in the game now that everyone has fucking role revealed. I fail to see the point, so I'm just going to shitvote you because:

1) I've suspected you for a while anyway
2) The cop also suspects you - and knows you better than I do

Shitty reasoning, granted. It isn't really reasoning at all, but meh. I have neither the time nor the inclination at the moment. The game went from 'great' to 'shit' in a few heartbeats. Lynch me if you want. Doing so would tip the balance in favour of the mafia a bit more (I am vanilla town; I have no reason to lie about this, given my total lack of enthusiasm for the game now). So, if you're mafia and you want to lynch me, hurry up and get it over with. If you're a townie, go bark up another tree.

 

[Shapelog]

I hate fucking hurricane season. Why is it every fucking game, I get my time that I set aside for mafia ruin by Zeus.

Moving onto now, Since Relcut is Cop. That leaves Urak, RB, Jenny, PMJ, and Ikea in the pool of scum. 2 of which are scum.

At least I now understand (kinda) why Sinny claim due to the lynches being Majority. To shut down the day. Most likely just that.

URAK: I got townie vibes from Urak, based off of multiple posts he post. Most felt like he was looking at the game with a townie mindset. At least in the beginning. But,

That, and I checked on sinny. Couldn't believe I didn't see it before. Right after that, you said something that triggered you off. Then it all came into focus, finally.

Frig Gopher stays. Sinny's the role-blocker, I think. It could be her perculiar behaviour towards me with her acting the part, unless gopher put that in her head Night 0 to do a meta thing, but I dunno.

Unvote Gopher

idk about you, but that really reads off as if he believes Sinny is scum(/scummy). Hell, going so far as to pick out her role in the team.

But, that all he did with it. He didn't push the sus. any further, no vote, no nothing. No questions for sinny, no push on her, nothing. It almost seems like he just voiced sus. and did nothing of it.

This is really worsen from the fact that Sinny did indeed flip scum (not RB but still). And after Gopher (who i kinda do not understand why he picked over Sinny but w/e) claimed doc:

Reluctantly, I'm kinda in the same boat as you. Plus what you've said about town reading into things, I find myself doing too, and it's annoying as hell. So far, I've been a really shitty town as I have just pretty much outed the doctor and the cop.

I might seem suspicious (for sure), but please guys, don't make this mafia day full of my confessions. I only have so much I can take of that.

No one was doing that or even talking about him much. They were focus on shinny being scum and other things.

So why so concerned about himself and how he looks/have to do? I mean, should he be somewhat happy that sinny (who he called RB and what not) is being talked about with Gopher even calling for a lynch?

idk, just doesn't add up for me. Maybe I am missing something or misunderstanding something here.

And this is some of how he interacted with sinny d1:

Okay, so sinny is not here and 'under the weather'. Funny, she was fine in the pre-game, even right up to the last page.

In last game, I think sinny wasn't a bad town at all. For one, she did make it well known that she was town, and nobody was suspicious of her. That actually helps town, and gives everyone one person to scratch off the suspicion list. Sure, she focused on hado too much and could have looked at alternative explanations, but that's understandable.

If anything, playing sly and hard to read is a bad town move. Or a bad mafia.

Sinny, can you explain why your under the weather lately? Maybe we could help.

We need you to be like you were last game.

I felt like maybe I could linked them earlier maybe in the game (if we look at them as a team) yet, this can come from either alignment tbh. I can see a townie or scum protecting another buddy posting that. Actually, he stated to Jenny (when Jenny said sinny was the same as last game) that she wasn't.

I wish he was on when sinny claimed, for his reactions. That would be amazing to have.

Other than that, I kinda feel like he didn't fully #believe in his Gopher vote as well. His tone seemed off, and at times was very..off and on. Hell his tone is very excuse filled, in the sense that he is bad etc. and the he is new.

This fits the build of a newbie mafia certainly. Very excuse ordinate about his/her play and experience wise, fear of posting/spotlight. He has that newbie card at the ready it seems in almost all his posts.

Activity is dropping it seems. But, not going to read into that too much. Could be either RL or something more reacting to the game such as scum getting tired, or town having a hard time adding on.

But I do have to admit, his day one is very impressively townie to me. The only thing I found kinda weird was:

I kinda find it interesting that he really really wanted a lynch.

If I have to vote happy to get a majority, I have no problem. It would be the most detrimental if we didn't have a lynch day 1. The whole day would have been for nothing.

This isn't true. Sure, A lynch is def. good, and losing one isn't great. But it isn't a waste of a Day if you do not lynch. You still get all the information out of that day to work on a lynch for day 2. Reactions, posts, etc... So I do not understand why he was so against it. But it seems like others were too so *shurg*

TLDR: Scum lean even with a good day 1. A lot is similar to a typical newbie mafia, and his stance to sinny (later on) doesn't make sense to me. Actually over all, it seem like he thought something was off, and never truely did anything strong with it. And Ironically, I can actually believe him to be town for the early posts and the sinny not being herself thing. But, overall, I more reasons to not like him then to like him.
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Jenny, the one song I like very much from nothing more. The emomation about dropping out and replacing situation felt really townie for some reason. It might be WIFOM, but it really does make me town when I read it.

Other than that,

Dear lord does she sounds like Rsoultin(A person I cannot read for shit due to her posting style) urg. At least I can understand enough of jenny posts.

In all, All her posts seem to be from a townie mindset I.E. She is trying to figure out the game and are clueless. The TR (ik this sounds weird) on me. I feel like it really is a bit too quick IMO. But, I suppose either alignment of her could do that.

She seems to have play some role in the fight between Gopher and Habo. I am not partially good at analyzing things of that nature (more of a vote analizer tbh. But, due to this being majority, it hurts it. I cannot tell if someone is getting pile on who is town due to that, because they get lynched as it happens.) So I am going to ask people more so on that. I did noticed that she said Habo was quite the same as he was playing in another game (this was said D1) but later it changed.

Overall: I think shes town for her tone on a lot of stuff.

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ClintEastwoodbaron seemed aggressive early on. Apparently this is the second game on this site, and he rolled town in the first one. So I Might look at that one when I get the chance. Someone said something about him using the solo bus stat. which is something I heavily use as scum (3 games, 6/7 bussed, 1 shot) and can understand.

Would also like to see a game that shows that too, if someone can provide me with a link.

Did anyone ever think Zerkalo was mafia apart from me either? Not even the fucking spectators thought Zerkalo was mafia - but voting patterns don't lie. Mafia can't collude on Day 1, they don't have meaningful time to plan strategy. It's the best time to catch them red-fucking-handed and I caught Zerkalo + Puffy last game using the same process.

Zerkalo last game threw out these stupid little, "oh noooo we lynched a Townie wow so sad :'(" (not word for word, but basically the gist of it)

Zerkalo is caring, but she's not some fucking vapid twat - but can I make a legitimate argument out of such a small thing that people would believe? No. Literally no one would have believed me if I said she put out a giant scumtell from that stupid little sentence.

But scumtells DO come in that form and you CAN find them, just as long as you understand the player, the context and then have something concrete to tie it to: voting patterns.

What I want to know is, why do you think Gopher's inconsistency can just be explained away by stupid shit like, "haha I'm an ENTP "

Then when I question him on it, he turns around and says:

"Oh just kidding bro, it's just a silly in-joke that I shouldn't have made."

No shit. He fucking knows it was a slip that Town Gopher wouldn't make. He might have inconsistencies (we all do) but there's small tells that don't fit with people's personalities. Town Gopher doesn't make that comment, because it's a shitty excuse and creates confusion. It doesn't make him look red, it just makes things into wifom.

He doesn't make a more obvious slip like Zerkalo because he's more experienced, but he's not other-worldly experienced. He's about 7 or 8 games experienced, he's still going to slip.

If you want to make a case on why I'm scum for hunting scum (lmfao), go ahead and make one. I'll be waiting.

Also, what about Sinny? Your thoughts on her? FWIW: I still read you as town.

Ironically, I believed that Zerk was scum before I replaced her (from the 5 pages I briefly skimmed when I got the link to this site/game) Which was a blessing, since I now I was wrong XD

So I am actually glad he was (maybe still is) sus. of zerk (me?) because I was sus. of Zerk(now me) and would be over the same thing that this post talks about and then some.

Post about sinny being scum is good. A bit wary about him also over it about him being a busser (or has done it). But the reasoning is decent. However, Tinfoiling here, It could be mafia RB, setting up for a Gopher lynch to be after sinny the next day. As by that time, it looked like sinny might be lynched, and he thought (since he wouldn't know Gopher was doc) set it up.

Tinfoil tho, moving on.


Overall, I have a lot of the same thoughts with him. I can follow and understand his thought process as well. Would want to see other games by him (mainly scum) but until then, town.
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IKEA: Really am indifferent about half of what he has said. Nothing other then a few things jump out to me very much, and I get a dull feeling reading him. Neither of the 2 people before really pop to me either.

He experienced so cool.

sinny

if something is "off" about the player they are most likely scum. i know thats a common thing, where they are acting diffrently but you can t pinpoint it

vote sinny

nothign changed yet. not surprised by doc early claim.

On sinny decently well over the days. Never does much with it tbh. Only post (multiple days btw) that isn't I be gone for a while was:

OH quick thing, im not very good with reason cus i use more guts than anything else

That being said, off the little i read i have null-scum on baron, gohpher i need to reread and hado is null leaing scum for trying to use my weak town read as a reason to not be scum

Where they forgot about sinny, but perhaps this was just addition information tick on, a few RL days later.

Other then that, he really has been a non-entity. He really hasn't push anything hard, especially what I would expect any player to do with sus. Even when he ask the question about why Urak is town, there was no follow up.

There is literally nothing I can heavily point to, to make me read him as town or scum. Maybe a few things here or there that leans him and one part, but he is just not at all interactive enough for me to get a read off of him.

Would like him to actually post that list thing btw

Overall: Null basically for "there is literally ....."
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PMJ: Jokey start. Got serious with the GMT post. Nothing sending flags off.

Early sus. with Sinny. Do not really understand the reasoning so to say tho. Did meation it wasn't strong though.

I actually wonder how he acted with Ikea w/ the whole authory thing. As Ikea kinda did that as well.

I am seeing the trend of "Not enough going on in the thread." for posting. I am also going to reference this post from him:

I don’t have time to go through and select specific quotes, but:

Someone asked me what I thought of Sinny’s list (1)
Someone asked me to comment further (2)

1: Not much. The reasoning is within 2.

2: It’s day one. There is no lynch for another two days (I believe). Effectively, all people are doing at the moment is running around, banging drums and throwing wild accusations at one another. Either I’m missing something here, or you’re a bunch of unbelievably inept players who fail to understand both the nature of the game and other meatbags.

Let’s look at this realistically:

Mafia games are - regardless of whether you want to believe this or not - a popularity contest, just like many other things in life. Such is the nature of humans.

Therefore, I would recommend some investigative probing as to who has ‘insies’ with QT; find that out, and you’re likely to have a fair punt at who has a special role (this includes mafia). From there, we can monitor those people and their behaviour. This is of course operating outside the parameters of the game and could therefore perhaps be construed as cheating, but it’s certainly an avenue to explore for those with time. Insights garnered could be kept on the back burner to hopefully make better informed future decisions.

Speculative: people like myself (on the outside of the community) have very little / no hope in hell of getting anything other than a generic townie role. This isn’t verifiable to any real degree for obvious reasons, but… I mean, it is kind of obvious. I barely know anyone here. I’m therefore a wildcard; I’m not going to be trusted with a ‘fun’ role because QT has no idea who I am or what I’m about. I’d be a risk to his game. Unwise move on his part to elect me as anything other than a boring role. If you don’t see any validity to this reasoning, you’re wrong.

Secondly, one does not simply make an informed decision re: the first lynch. Or the second, most often. Everyone is an unknown. All we can do is sit back and let the patterns reveal themselves. Humans are fallible, and even the best mafia players will trip over themselves eventually if pressure is applied in the right places.

All we have to go on at the moment is how a person votes. At this stage in the game, that is likely an arbitrary decision at best, and anybody - mafia included - have plenty of wriggle-room to claim that it was an oopsie and move on unhindered.

It’s too early in the game, and there isn’t enough data. Some of you have insights into one another’s character, and that’s cool - but I’m shooting blind. That I am not yet contributing anything of worth does not preclude the possibility that I’m sat here, odd interjection aside, weighing arguments and observing behaviour. Patterns will inevitably emerge.

All of this ruckus may be fun, but it’s misguided. There seems to be this idea that by speaking up and defending yourself, you’re less likely to be a mafia player. What? Are you joking? This humdrum is fertile grounds for mafia. You don’t know shit about who’s who yet. You’re operating on shaky beliefs and a distinct lack of data.

The patterns will reveal themselves. Sit down, shut up and watch. The first lynch may not be telling; the second may be largely uneventful - but by the third, I’m willing to bet we can start getting a clearer picture of who’s who.

Do I have any suspicions thus far?

Yes, but I need to see more. My vote for Sinny remains in place, because (bearing in mind I’m operating on limited data) I immediately distrust anyone who asserts themselves as some kind of authority (oh the hypocrisy) in an overt manner. I don’t know if she’s town or not - nobody does. It’s all a shit shoot.

Again, apologies for incoherence. I’m typing in work and keep getting interrupted.

TL;DR your approach is ineffective and you’re all shit.

<3

Will see if he lives up to this.

Moving through the filter,

I just started to type up a word document with current suspicions and the like (I outsourced some work, because fuck it - it's Friday) but the truth is I'm operating on a massive deficit here. I can't state this enough: you guys seem to know one another, and I really don't.

Thus, I fail to see how I can make a compelling case right now on such limited data.

I think Hado is intense, which could mean he's a highly motivated townsperson or a great mafia player... or that could just be his character. I think Gopher is a nice guy and probably a townsperson, as he's far more chill and I get the good vibes from him. I think Sinny is far too cool to get a read on. I think Reluctantly is a bit of a troll like me, just sat back laughing at all the shit being flung.

Bear with me. Lots of thinking to do.

Useless post perhaps, but at least you know where I'm up to in my thinking. Sorta.

Huh? I do not follow. This is after the authory thing, so idk how Sinny is now a null for a read (unless he was refer to content or something) Hado read is basically a null, town for Gopher, and Reluctanty null? (I would say scum, but that would mean he would think he was scum due to the "Like me")

Not totally useful at all. Really just fluff tbh.

Next post is the unvote for sinny, and vote for Habo.

Let’s cut the bullshit here, look at things objectively - nobody knows a damn thing at the moment, and that will not change until someone hangs and their role is subsequently revealed. Thus, these exchanges are nought but hot air and a lot of noise, but no real substance. For all I know, mafia players could be riffing off one another to create the illusion of conflict.

What is with people here and thinking D1 is useless? Without day 1, why even vote someone? You just going to rmd someone with that logic. And this is coming from the guy who wanted to look at motives and such.

Yes, d1 is perhaps, the less inform time for town. So is when there is no posts in the thread. Do you still post, yes.

Idk why pmj just hates d1. Perhaps a D1 scared him for life. I get the vibe that he wanted to shut down conversation as much as possible, which is scummy. But, next post.

I believe Sinny has been preoccupied with a fat blunt which, let's face it, would make anyone seem a little 'off'.

Soft defense. Is true tho

next few posts are pushing a Habo lynch...

And thus began the dick-swinging contest.

I've pointed people in the right direction. Early on in the game I called you out. I'm banking on someone making a better case for you. If they don't, I'll have to step it up.

You aren't even denying anything. You're hiding behind this transparent defence of "Ner ner! Not enough evidence! Not enough to go on! Can't catch me!". Let's let other people decide whether or not my case is worth a second look, and whether it deserves further fleshing out. Right now, I couldn't give a flying shit what you say. Even the way you call the mafia "scum", as if to create a void between them and yourself, trying to convey your '''''disgust''''' for them.

You're all hot air and bullshit, and soon it'll all come tumbling down around you.

Your defence is weak; your behaviour is condemning. Deal with it.

Didn't you just say that another else who jumps on your idea of a read on Habo would be sus to you? Why does someone else have to make a stronger case for him as well?

Pmj really hadn't pointed anyone in the right direction day 1 anyways (but ego so :/)

I also laughed at the part because this is coming from the guy who said there wasn't enough evidence to do anything. and he is now mad at someone else saying it as a defense.

Can there be such a thing as a strong case on day 2? Unless someone has royally fucked up, I doubt it.

All I'm asking is that people look into Hado's posts / behaviour and decide for themselves. I've been calling bullshit on him since Thurs/Fri (can't remember which). I would like people to take a punt - to 'suck it and see' as it were, but perhaps not everybody will take issue with him the way I have.

Right, I have to attend a meeting now and then I have a lunch date, so I'm afk for a bit. At least you all know where I stand. My balls are very much exposed and swinging free.

But...Sir....

I'm banking on someone making a better case for you.

Should I take the strong case back to the chief?

I mean, relcut looked at the case, gave it his thoughts, and suddenly, Pmj doesn't like what he said and is trying to get the thread to pick the case up.

I mean, this is what relcut said:

Although this isn't a conclusive argument (as is the nature of the game) it does suggest Hado is trying too hard to appear Town. I mean, hey, that's what mafia do right? Town people don't really need to try and appear anything; they just need to participate.

So no it's not a strong argument imo, but it's definitely not weak either.

So why is he flipping out if someone is actually there and reading it?

Just going to move on,

Careful with the 'royal we' there, Sinny-winny.

Change in tone, to sinny. Not much, just worth point it out.

I'm also now more suspicious (or perhaps irritated; I'm crap with working out how I feel about things) with RB for taking the focus elsewhere. Shut up and get on board, RB. Stop it! Stop it right now.



At present, I have nothing more to add. I'll think on (and, ahem, properly read) Gopher's dissertation at some point today.

Isn't that what he did tho. PMJ just spent the entire day basically (looking at this as if he is town btw) tunneling onto Habo and getting habo lynched. Why does he care if RB is looking somewhere else? Isn't there more then 1 scum in the game?

Also rage followed by a wink?

You're so unnervingly helpful. Maybe you are just a really awful newbie. Awful in terms of 'look at me! LOOK AT ME!' rather than blending in. Unlikely. You're eloquent and intelligent enough to realise that it'd be a shitty game-plan, hence my suspicion of you.

But to the point - a correction.

I have played several games, but only once or twice was I mafia/werewolf. The last game was in 2007 I believe, thus meaning it has been the better part of a decade since I played.

Ummm, blatant misrepresentation?

At this point I am conviced that if he is scum btw. This whole agurement with Habo is so scummy it hurts me. Like at every turn he down grades Habo, wants people only focus on Habo, and has contradicted himself.

But lets carry on!

Correct or incorrect, that's your opinion and I'm still not going to buy anything you say, so do yourself a favour and save your breath. Fact is, nobody wants to jump on the Hado bandwaggon, so maybe I'm the shit and misguided player. Who knows. I wouldn't be surprised.

"I am not going to try to change my mind on you or relook at you at all. Because I am 100% sure you are scum, after saying that multiple times that there isn't enough evidence for d1 or d2 cases, I am still proven enough to be right."

PMJ not even willing to relook at things at all.

I could quote more, but I am just going to read till after the flip.

I'll chime in later with my thoughts, but very quickly:

1) I feel like a fucking idiot (rightly so) for voting Habbodabbodudu.

2) RB - previously on my FOS list - highlighted the stupidity of myself (>_>) and the move in no uncertain terms. Therefore, he's either a sneaky mafia player, or a role affiliated with the town.

I see no reason to pursue him currently.

WHERES MY VIDEO??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!

Eh, could come from either side of the aligment coin.

Big case...Blah blah blah

Yeah, I'm thinking along the same lines.

I'm not too sure I like the bandwagon against you.

Either way, Gopher was originally on my FOS. I also (obviously) now trust Habodaboduong. Therefore:

Vote Gopher

If he hangs and proves to be the doc, though, you're going to be in the crosshairs. With me, apparently.

Really!?!?!?
Really now!?!?!?!?!
Really?!?!?!?!
...

I think Gopher is a nice guy and probably a townsperson, as he's far more chill and I get the good vibes from him.

REALLY NOW!?!?!?!!?!

IT turns out, the most useless post, and actually a great post.

Where did I try to deflect you? I've pretty much been going my own way, and encouraging others to do the same. I'm not trying to convince you of anything - just following my own convictions. Vote as you please (obviously).

...

All I'm asking is that people look into Hado's posts / behaviour and decide for themselves. I've been calling bullshit on him since Thurs/Fri (can't remember which). I would like people to take a punt - to 'suck it and see' as it were, but perhaps not everybody will take issue with him the way I have.

I'm also now more suspicious (or perhaps irritated; I'm crap with working out how I feel about things) with RB for taking the focus elsewhere. Shut up and get on board, RB. Stop it! Stop it right now.

Really,
Please trip over yourself more.

Verdict: Scum. The only way he is town, at all here, is if he is somehow a tunnel town. But just look at all the times he contradicted himself. How much he wanted people to take the habo lynch from his hands. Calling Gohper someone he sus. when he tr him. Having sus. of sinny and not A) keeping up with it, and B) funny enough, not questioning ikea about it.
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I want to lynch: Urak (Would Like to talk to him first), PMJ (1st I want to lynch)
I would lynch: Ikea (would need to be conviced to be lynched over the other 2)
I wouldn't lynch: Jenny, RB, Reculant

 

[Reluctantly]

On phone,

Wrote some stuff, but I need to hear what Pmj says first in his defense.

So I'm waiting.

 

[Jennywocky]

BTW, I am just letting folks know I have been here working backwards through the Sinny feed. it's just taking me longer than i thought it would.

Shapelog, you deserve a medal (or a painkiller) just for making it through so many of these posts. (har) I'll comment later, although I wonder if other folks will start showing up again.

I don't know where everyone is from, but I think we have folks on both coasts of the USA, at least one in the UK, and then some in Australia.

 

[Shapelog]

I went fishing to reward myself for that. Took me bloody hours.

Apologies, I've had a busy day.

You're reading far too much in to my vote for you RB. I can still see where you're coming from, but truth be told my heart just isn't in the game now that everyone has fucking role revealed. I fail to see the point, so I'm just going to shitvote you because:

1) I've suspected you for a while anyway
2) The cop also suspects you - and knows you better than I do

Shitty reasoning, granted. It isn't really reasoning at all, but meh. I have neither the time nor the inclination at the moment. The game went from 'great' to 'shit' in a few heartbeats. Lynch me if you want. Doing so would tip the balance in favour of the mafia a bit more (I am vanilla town; I have no reason to lie about this, given my total lack of enthusiasm for the game now). So, if you're mafia and you want to lynch me, hurry up and get it over with. If you're a townie, go bark up another tree.

But, Now you got things to work with!

Come on.

 

[Reluctantly]

Sorry shapelog, but I think this game is dead.

Everyone is quitting for one reason or another. I got a feeling Urakro decided to quit too.

 

[Jennywocky]

I went back through Sinny's posts and pulled out things where she talks about reads / votes about other posters, at least back to somewhere on June 11, which would have been the third day of Day 1 (before the first lynch) before my eyes buggered out...

Spoiler

[To Urakro]I'm laughing about that particular theory. How it was borne, and how it has been propagated. Obviously when roles are revealed you will see my amusement from an innocent perspective.

I'm really sure you're Town because you feel like a comfortable fit in the void I would have filled, had you not. You started off being inquisitive, and confident, and straight talking... I was pretty sold.

Got to admit, I'm glad that you returned because I did take a disliking to your period of lurking, that's not what I would have done, I would have just charged on. But then again, that's why I became a bit active when you left.

Up until recently you kept out of the Goph, Hado, RB dynamic which I perceive, and so that brought you up clean too.

What is this chaos I have just walked in on?

....Reluctantly, ballsy move. For the record, I was with you 100% of the Zerk thing. I see I skimmed passed that she's managed to convince you all other wise now, but I didn't like it one it. Any of it, or any of her excuses.

I've been making an active effort not to get as emotionally invested as in the previous game, for these precise reasons... Thing get heated, thoughts develop, you doubt your own convictions, relations are tested, and at the end of the day in all probability, you were wrong.

I hate being wrong, just.fucking.hate.it. Soo once again, forgive me for not being this fucking snarling bull dog you all expect me to be.. Good job an all considering the rage quitters. I wanted to Tunnel Zerk ages ago but knew she couldn't hack it. I've deliberately tried my best to be diplomatic with Hado to avoid the pitfalls and Tunnel vision that I can develop.

But noo Sinnys a fucking retard innit, and unless she's our for someone's blood, something up. Fucking idiots. I am trying not to be a rebel without a cause. 
For quite a while now my top suspects have been Zerk, RB and Goph/Hado.

I've been watchin the dynamics unfold. Wasn't sure what to make of Redbaron buddying Hado, or has he been Bussing Gopher? (But I know he's been doing something)

Hunting Town was my day one game plan, I announced as much. And Hado is perfectly fine and Helpful well he's not being an authoritarian. I've announced as much. Now what was your weirdness all about towards the end of day one?

[To Baron]Dude. Your over thinking this way to much.
The above quote means that on day one in the previous game I TRIED TO PREVENT A LYNCH.

But I entered this game, intending to help lynch on day one as per consensus. Ergo, I chose m targets with that objective in mind.

I wanted Bronto to talk, and as I was experiencing that particular thought Goph popped up saying VOTE BRONTO, and I was like 'hey yea, that's a good idea! Peer pressure on Bronto! ... Then a few pages later in transpired that Bronto is just not playing at all is was about to get modkilled, just as I was thinking my vote on Bronto would bea waste , Reluctantly pipes up to suggest the very same. A bit later, I stopped being lazy on my hone and lifted the Bronto vote.

I very cleary stated that I had to get a vote in prior to work, and zoned in on Helvete and Happy for being lurkers, explained that Helevete seemed more town to me, and so joined the Happy wagon.

And as per my very last post about Gopher, he has not yet fully escaped my suspicion.
Comprende?

Well, happy didn't really participate, and I'm pissed at him for that.

I was expecting a statistical town lynch, so I'm not overly dejected. I suspect one or two mafia potentially lurking in the Happy list of lynchers, and I know myself not to be one.

I am most curious as to the Helvete night kill, I would expect Urakro or yourself to have been the victim if you are both Town. Helvete must have drawn the cop or doc suspicion. Zerko has been really weird for me, I need her to get here to defend her self and her weird logic. She accused me of being a bad Townie in the last round because I made it known so obviously so that I was Town.. I don't see the issue with that.

Haha, well, well, well mr PMJ, finally decided to catch up with us!

Well, not per se, idk what you were doing on your end of the screen.. I just know, that you weren't contributing to mafia whilst you were online
But I'm glad you're mad and have come in swinging, if there's one thing you've just done, it's convince me that you're Town, lol.

Welcome aboard.

Okay, I'm unsure what to make of the NK too.
But I do think Zerk was saying weird things just before EOD1.
I think there was a whole Zer, Reluctantly, Helvete dynamic going on, I just have no idea bout the nature of the dynamic.

About Hado & Gopher.
Man. You guys are making me doubt my protown reads on you, simply because your bloody cases are such a fucking ball ache. eye ball ache. Is there any need? Be succinct, you might think you're epic-ly efficient, using so many bloody words.. But in my books it's anything but. You shouldn't need so many words to convey your meaning/message. You're messages should be very clear and simple...
People who talk too much, tend to talk bollox, in my experience. You say you don't want to cause a scene or a distraction, but even your conversation about not being a distraction is a distraction.

I probably won't even read the majority of your cases. Your wasting my time. I'll follow my gut with you two, and on your heads be it!!

[To helvete]Wait, calm down a sec
An edit post of mine appatently didn't send through.
By 'him', I meant Happy, not you.
You didn't get my vote because prior to lurking you seemed Town to me.
I voted Happy because he's a lurker I've never had a read on and I want to aid in a unknown lurker lynch.
Very drunk. Shit device. Please appreciate.

Bronto's an arse who has put Town at a disadvantage (presumably, most likely probability). He's gone, dead, let's forget about bronto, shadow cart.

[To Urakro]Don't let him deter you, as always his greatest offerings are those of self doubt. He makes a number of people question their own sanity. Luckily, my sanity is insanely untouchable.

I think I'm coming to learn that this is just Hado, and not just Mafia (in any context) Hado.

I read you, like I read Eyes. I'm here to support you.

Happy was literally talking nonsense at the start, and claims it was to help get discussion going.. But why set the example with chatting speculative nonsense?

I have doubts about PmjPmj, he originally cast his vote on me for laughs and jokes, but then, much like in the footsteps of Zerk (with Jenny), went on to hold me under suspicion for some time... reason being that 'I'm authoritarian'. He entered the thread with confidence and humor but has slinkered off since.. I know he says he's busy, but that didn't stop him spending a hour or two exploring alien and UFO stuff
else where yesterday. (Under the bus mate, sorry).

I'm not happy with all of Hado's "I've got lots to say but I'm not saying it now" attitude. Give's him lots of wriggle room. I do read you as Town these last few pages, but you need to be as transparent as everybody else. No privileges.
Oh, and about my previous list being useless, two things:
1) It was early in the game.
2) I know it was useless, I wouldn't have offered it, save for Gopher requesting it.
Once again, I can't provide goods I don't got. 
Finally, I can actually read, retain and format information on this laptop.

Oh, and on Hado, literally just the change in his tone, the helpfulness I have found in him since the change of tone, and the overt attempt at easing my worries about him in particular. He's been constructive... He's either really invested in our particular relationship from a mafia point of view, or a townie point of view... I assume to Townie to be more likely. Mafia Hado would want chaos, and would love involving me in it. I think.

I would be expecting a lot more activity from Helvete by now, I think.

I think Cheese and Jenny have both done their part to help maintain the integrity of the town, circumstances given.

I'm confident in Urakro being a dedicated Towns member. I'd feel a lot more comfortable if I could get one more strong read on Town. I think I get a Townie read from Hado.. But I'll always be cautious of his antics.

Zerk as returned as helpful Townie once more.. Her excuses are plausible, but aren't everybody's ...

Gopher also feels like an innocent Townie to me, but I'm weary all the same, I just don't know who's playing us right now.

I think Happy could definitely be saying more.

Mixed feelings about Baron. There's a lot of logical consistency there, but then some weird approaches which I don't understand.

Reluctantly does strike me as Town for the most part, but I'll admit, I'm just looking for scum in the relationships dynamics, and there's a whole Zerk - Reluctantly dynamic I have been entertaining. I feel like I should distrust one of you at least.

Pmjpmj, not sure what to make of him...

I'm on laptop for the next few hours, before I leave for work. You'll find an improvement in my posts from now..

Some stuff:
- she repeatedly marks Zerkalo as scum
- she repeatedly confirms urakro as town
- kind of flips on Hado but then pushes to call Gopher/Hado two of her scum reads shortly before the end (along with Baron)
- labels PMJ as town but didn't talk about him a ton

Most of her posts, she's kind of all over the place in terms of content... it's all fuzzy. I had just been mostly looking at her tone in the beginning when she was posting, and Hado had called her green in the beginning, but now in hindsight she made a lot of convo but never really actually took action on much at all.

I can do a full filter if we need it, it's just that it's 127 posts. Maybe I could multi-quote all her posts and see what the buffer limit is. It could be faster than copy-paste.

 

[Jennywocky]

Sorry shapelog, but I think this game is dead.

Everyone is quitting for one reason or another. I got a feeling Urakro decided to quit too.

...Which is ironic, because PMJ kinda chewed out Zerk for getting butthurt and quitting the other day.

 

[ika]

I went back through Sinny's posts and pulled out things where she talks about reads / votes about other posters, at least back to somewhere on June 11, which would have been the third day of Day 1 (before the first lynch) before my eyes buggered out...



Some stuff:
- she repeatedly marks Zerkalo as scum
- she repeatedly confirms urakro as town
- kind of flips on Hado but then pushes to call Gopher/Hado two of her scum reads shortly before the end (along with Baron)
- labels PMJ as town but didn't talk about him a ton

Most of her posts, she's kind of all over the place in terms of content... it's all fuzzy. I had just been mostly looking at her tone in the beginning when she was posting, and Hado had called her green in the beginning, but now in hindsight she made a lot of convo but never really actually took action on much at all.

I can do a full filter if we need it, it's just that it's 127 posts. Maybe I could multi-quote all her posts and see what the buffer limit is. It could be faster than copy-paste.

TY! this is what i was looking for.

i have some big questions on the bolded. im on vacation here and i want people to lear so i'm going to ask this:

did she ever vote the person she called scum (zerk)
did she ever explain her town read on the other player (udio)
in her full iso whats the amount of timesshe metions someon or not.

a common thing i see sometimes from scum is that they under compensate or overcompensate with a scum buddy though interactions. what i mean by this is that some scum will outright ignore their buddies while others will have a lot of interactions with them but little to the rest of the player

i want to see if this matches with the scum reads she said and the town read. if theres an outliar in those i would suspect them next

 

[Jennywocky]

Let me confirm and get back to you. I'm in the process of building the filtered full stream...

I did notice in her original list of "least scummy" to "most scummy" that Urakro was listed right after herself as "most town" and Zerkalo was somewhere in the middle. that was very early in the game.

 

[redbaron]

She never voted Zerkalo. Or at least, her vote was never on her at end of day (I just checked QuickTwists posts).

 

[ika]

and the substitution? did that change anything?

the fact she always called ti scum but never voted it is compelling in itself.

one of the hardest things i see for scum (even me) is fabricating scum reads. it can be marginally easier to just call you scum buddies scum but the thing i see scum fail to do (yes even me too) will be applying pressure to them. pulling both off to make it not looked faked is super hard because most people unconsciously will not vote/pressure because they are your allies

 

[Jennywocky]

Sinny kind of sucked in general as far as taking an actual action. She said a lot of stuff about different members but never really voted them, as far as I recall.

 

[Jennywocky]

Sinnny's full feed.

Okay, my brain hurts.

Spoiler

Morning all, or afternoon

I'm glad that nobody is excessively posting like in the previous game, just enough material to span two coffees and a spliff

I think fluff posting should to be minimised, we've got god know's how long of this to sort through in future, reading material piles high and fast.

I also think that all town should be transparent about their whereabouts thought the course. For example, I have just rejoined the real world, and I'll be floating around the forum for the next couple of hours, before I maybe go out.

We should seek consistency, clarity, and objectivity.

My course of action , as per previous game, is to secure strong town reads, and deduce from there.

Strong town working in unision to corner the mafia is the name of my game.

I think Hado's clean, if he were Mafia or Blue Role, his ego would have told us by now.. Plus, the chances of the luck of the draw - twice.

Morning digs

What have I done to get on your list?

Yea, I'm a bit under the weather today..

I don't think there will be any obvious tells on day one
I think everybody who has contributed so far is playing g a casual Townie role, knowing that evidence make an appearance in this chapter.

I'm cautious moving forwards, in regards to outlining all my suspicions, that seems to empower the mafia is the previous game. Gave them knowledge I should have kept to myself.

I get Townie feels from you, Zerk and Helvete.

Bloody phone

EWOB? I can't remember the abbreviation.

*knowing evidence doesn't make an appearance in this chapter.

* Seemed to empower the mafia in the last game.

Where have you been, what have you been up to? And just where are you going? ... And ...

And... Is that lipstick on your collar?

Ugh, of all the misogynistic buzz words... ! Lol

Don't worry your self with what I do now, worry about what I do when I'm Gone.

I'd ask you to enlighten me, but apparently you keep your cards close to your chest.

Redbaron proved to be a dodgy, inconsistant Townie in the last game.

I think we should all be careful in trying to separate Bad Townie from Mafia... As per Barons previous advice

Dude, you missed me on your no vote list, twice.

Hardly the most consistent.

But yea, good advice, following on.

What do you mean?

Lol, very astute of you. I've done my power assessments, but thus far, no one is wielding too much.

Although, I can see you and Had having a pissing contest.

I've also been super stoned all day.

Right then, one last coffee and then I'm off to try to sleep.

I get a green read on Cheesums, more so than mafia.

Once again , I get the impression that Hado is unduly tunneling, and being unduly forceful.

Everyone is still on my radar, and I also want more from Bronto, usually can't shut him up, but today, today he's silent...

Vote Bronto


Did he post his minimum 3?

I have random thoughts and suspicions, which I can't coherently justify. This is the nature of intuition. You can have a problem with it, but nature is a force of its own, and it won't won't give two fucks.

Not Suspicious < Most Suspicious:

1) Sinny

2) Urakro. Strong Townie read, he's done plenty of interrogating on Towns behalf.

3) Cheese. Townie read. Has been helpful and consistent.

4) Helvete. Townie read. Intuition.

5) Gopher. Townie read. Intuition .

6) Zerk. Townie 'feel', no red flags.

7) Reluctant. No red flags, needs to post more.

8) Jenny.

9) Happy. Demonstrates that he's clued up, time and time again . Could be strong town, or strong mafia. Pending approval.

10) PMJ, could have been wayyy more helpful.

11) Baron.

12) Bronto. Me no like lurkers, especially of the Bronto kind.

13) Hado. Tunnelling seems unnecessary to me. You'll pass it off as meta, but whatever. You think you're gods gift in this game. I'm aware that you could be Townie and it's simply your character I dislike. (In this game). But I think you get hung up on the unnecessary, and confuse people with your conflated logic. Barons smeared by his association with you, and his attack on intuition. Lol.

These will most likely change again by tomorrow, and I won't be broadcasting these lists often.

Agreed.

And my list had more detail than the previous game. Also, Zerk and Puffy were using my lists as an aid.

Lots of people posted whilst I composed the list too. I'm constantly lagging behind real time.

Okay, so I shouldn't have just said 'Tunnelling', when I actually meant to say 'Hado's tunelling'. In short, I don't trust his judgment, his ability to discern.

Why does your dislike to hado's play style weigh him closer to mafia above other users?

I find it difficult to believe a Townie could contradict my intuition so much. I agree with a number of others on a number of issues. But I experience the most contradiction with Hado. I'm currently listening to my gut, but my brain refrains me from acting on it, because logically, my brain knows my gut could be wrong.



Well, this is the second game now in which Baron claims he can Vulcan Mind Meld with Hado, and he just knows he's right. I don't buy it. At this stage in the game, unless your mafia, you know shit.



I have no convictions at this stage in the game.



I have weed if you want some, and I've been up all night paying attention, has everybody else been this dedicated?

I assume that Jenny was just getting warmed up. She was in an amused mood in the pre mafia thread, I presume that the amused mood spilled over into the start of this game.

I was under the impression that she was looking forward to playing. Not sure what came up... Maybe she could return yet.

Nothing, lol.

She admitted that she didnt over work herself in the last game, she tried to appear pro town, and now she does appear pro town.

Her exit just now is like she would have done in the previous game.. But did she draw mafia twice?

I don't have the answers.

Lol, where here have I claimed to be an authority?

I'm an authority only over myself, and that's only at the best of times.

Did I pass the test? Lol

Sorry, I'm in the 'not much to go on, on day one' club.

If you review my previous game, you will see that I had no agendas on day one, bar trying to prevent a lynch.

I want to be agressive, believe me, but I'm personally not intellectually or emotionally invested in any read right now. Apart from defending my town reads, who remain Cheesums, Helvete and you.

Fuck WIFOM, common sense wins.

I'm Ennae 8.

And you all think too much.

Also, my usual habits of quotation are hindered on this phone, was on laptop before.

I'm lazy and slow on this thing.

But when is QuickTwist going to start yelling Bronto?

I like it when he gets all authoritarian

At.. At... Atttttttttt!!!

Right, I should probs call quits for now, I'm loosing focus.

Sinny is here, and feeling a little better.

Check your facts.

Attitude in coming ... after the morning coffee.

Okay, to everyone who has asked or pointed FOS:

Why have I been 'under the weather'? Why have I been 'lurking', why am I not 'all guns blazing', why am I so 'indecisive'?, where have I been the last 11 hours??

Come on. All the answers are already available to you, if you just use your noggins.

Multitude of reasons for me being under the weather, shall I bore you with them all?

But yea, anyway, 3 bags of weed will subdue an individual, haha. And I've been working hard, manual labour... Doing a thousand things at once, but not offering you a thousand excuses.

I was online for 40 hours, at your beck and call. I only crashed for 11 hours, and now I'm back..

I already told you, I didn't have any strong mafia reads. I've been here, watching, observing, round the clock. I have built in bullshit detection, and it will get triggered, when it gets triggered. Am I no longer sticking to my guns? Bitch, please. I always stick to my guns. I won't be peer pressured into making a bunch of claims and cases I DONT HAVE, on day one no less.

And yes, Jenny, I learned a few lessons in playing game one. Mafia will just kick back and relax whilst we all turn on each other. Look at the pissing contest that is Hado and Gopher. And predictable scanrio, which is ongoing and a distraction.

I don't have the patience frivolous social dances. Cut to the chase, get to the point. The point from where I see it is that we only need so much information leading up to day two. Day two and beyond is where the true, meaning patterns can be developed. All this none sense until then is just that, none sense.

As it happens, I now find Zerks behaviour suspicious. Urakro is strong Townie in my books, and he is largely the reason that I have not been as vocal. He's doing a good job leading town.

I like Goph, I get Goph, Gophs a Townie in my gut.

Hado's down more as a bad Townie in my book, more so than Mafia. Barons logic varies from strong to fucking backward all the time. Idk.

That's the point, idk stuff, and I'm being honest about it.

I hope this provides some clarity and consistency.

Happy I'd on my risk assessment.

Peace.

I can be coldly nonchalant whilst on the hunt Goph

Zerk - The weirdness Urakro outlined. She was doing well in my books, but I can't account for her recent spree of weird voting, and her disappearing acts.

I don't want to be immature, but my initial thoughts are ...



Fuck you.


Cutting deals on day one an shit. Starting wars, suspending wars, creating arenas...


Go download an actual game why don't you.

I'm actually happy to bow to Urakros authority, as a leader.

Not you, as a dictator.

@QT, I'd just kill him in his sleep

@Urakro. I don't do schedules, but I do plan ahead.

I trust you, and you have my co operation whilst I'm here.

Anf cool, thank you, I want to move forwards without having to battle perceived authority. Without all the scum veneer, your a useful Townie. Keep it that way.

Unvote Bronto

Well, I agree, you are talking to me after all.

But we need a rally point, and you've just been made it.

Well , I can't see why he'd pull the scum gambit twice in a row... And he had a scummy start for me. As it stands, he has toned down the scum.

I'm Town because I drew Town, and Urakro has stole all my thunder. I'm on shitty device and feeling a bit apathetic about it all.

I don't remember day one of the other game being this long or intense at all.

I'm going to ask my bestie if I can take my laptop to his whilst we hang out, but he wont be happy about it.

I might have a couple of ciders and see if I can inject some energy and life into myself. I have work in 11 hours, and might be drunk after that too.

Blehh!!

The question is as good as any other, that's you 'ESC' sort of close minded logic.

Yea, you are a bit quick on the trigger your self Reluctantly ...

*eyes suspiciously*

I would be expecting a lot more activity from Helvete by now, I think.

I think Cheese and Jenny have both done their part to help maintain the integrity of the town, circumstances given.

I'm confident in Urakro being a dedicated Towns member. I'd feel a lot more comfortable if I could get one more strong read on Town. I think I get a Townie read from Hado.. But I'll always be cautious of his antics.

Zerk as returned as helpful Townie once more.. Her excuses are plausible, but aren't everybody's ...

Gopher also feels like an innocent Townie to me, but I'm weary all the same, I just don't know who's playing us right now.

I think Happy could definitely be saying more.

Mixed feelings about Baron. There's a lot of logical consistency there, but then some weird approaches which I don't understand.

Reluctantly does strike me as Town for the most part, but I'll admit, I'm just looking for scum in the relationships dynamics, and there's a whole Zerk - Reluctantly dynamic I have been entertaining. I feel like I should distrust one of you at least.

Pmjpmj, not sure what to make of him...

I'm on laptop for the next few hours, before I leave for work. You'll find an improvement in my posts from now..

Zerk, why is it that Jenny was your 'Jest Vote' at the beginning of the game (Post 5), and then happened to be one of your main concerns from the start as well... Were you just trolling her the time?

Happy was literally talking nonsense at the start, and claims it was to help get discussion going.. But why set the example with chatting speculative nonsense?

I have doubts about PmjPmj, he originally cast his vote on me for laughs and jokes, but then, much like in the footsteps of Zerk (with Jenny), went on to hold me under suspicion for some time... reason being that 'I'm authoritarian'. He entered the thread with confidence and humor but has slinkered off since.. I know he says he's busy, but that didn't stop him spending a hour or two exploring alien and UFO stuff else where yesterday. (Under the bus mate, sorry).

I'm not happy with all of Hado's "I've got lots to say but I'm not saying it now" attitude. Give's him lots of wriggle room. I do read you as Town these last few pages, but you need to be as transparent as everybody else. No privileges.

Oh, and about my previous list being useless, two things:

1) It was early in the game.
2) I know it was useless, I wouldn't have offered it, save for Gopher requesting it.

Once again, I can't provide goods I don't got. 

Finally, I can actually read, retain and format information on this laptop.

"Easy posts", I don't see how you want me to make them difficult.

If it helps, I feel a bit off myself.. Have been trying to place my finger on my mood.

Maybe it's spilling over, idk.

I'll be leaving laptop in about 10 minutes, I will be back on mobile up till 9pm, then I'm at work till the small hours. Drunk Sinny might make an appearance, and so you can get acquainted with her.

You know what they say about drunk folk..

Oh, and on Hado, literally just the change in his tone, the helpfulness I have found in him since the change of tone, and the overt attempt at easing my worries about him in particular. He's been constructive... He's either really invested in our particular relationship from a mafia point of view, or a townie point of view... I assume to Townie to be more likely. Mafia Hado would want chaos, and would love involving me in it. I think.

I should probably casty vote in the next hour in case after work drunk Sinny, is too drunk to function.

Helvete has caused me concern in his silence, as has Happy. I think I would be comfortable aiding in the lynch of either.

Recent contributions have given me greater insights...
I'm looking forward to day two being far more revealing.

Oh, and I figured out what mood I'm in..

A bad one.

I've got a headache from hell, like my heads been slammed up a brick wall. Not sure if its tension and strain, or the weed. But I hope a stiff drinks fixes it.

I'm at work as of now

Vote Happy[

Well, I can say that everybody's judgement of character ain't great. I'm under suspicion in this round for not being gunz blazin. Between the lessons I learned last game, the lack of tells on day one, and real life shit.... Ya'll don't knowe at all.

I'm cautious and indecisive, but y'all don't seem to acvont for that. Too much into your ideas of me, rather than the reality of me.

Been meaning to say that for a while, anyway.

Helvete in all honesty.

He doesnt get the vote now for two reasons:

1) I read him as Town prior to lurking
2) There's a vote on him already. I thought I'd aid in a lynch *shrugs*

Wait, calm down a sec
An edit post of mine appatently didn't send through.

By 'him', I meant Happy, not you.

You didn't get my vote because prior to lurking you seemed Town to me.

I voted Happy because he's a lurker I've never had a read on and I want to aid in a unknown lurker lynch.

Very drunk. Shit device. Please appreciate.

Irakro, I'm drunk, and I'm grilling Helvete and Happy, in my own drunken way. Proofs? Come on, you of all people, Mr thunder stealer, must have a positive read on me by now.. ?!

Helvete, 'Sinny' in that context was actually Cheese, AFAIK.

Well I'm glad that's seytled. Onwards and ipwatds, ourf with their heads!

Let's move like Masons.

Bronto's an arse who has put Town at a disadvantage (presumably, most likely probability). He's gone, dead, let's forget about bronto, shadow cart.

That's all opinion, where's your facts/case?

Ohh now your unsure?!

Not good enough, you're suspicious.

Scum reads, now please.

Haha, I was semi serious... As always, I leave the proverbial ball in your court.

Don't let him deter you, as always his greatest offerings are those of self doubt. He makes a number of people question their own sanity. Luckily, my sanity is insanely untouchable.

I think I'm coming to learn that this is just Hado, and not just Mafia (in any context) Hado.

I read you, like I read Eyes. I'm here to support you.

It's 06.50 here, and mine ain't been born yet. But just on cue, the cat's come in, lolol.

I didn't realise Happy had 6 votes , in my world I was the second. I must be over looking a lot of stuff on this phone

And WHAT to you. I know you hadn't received your role yet hense why its dubbed the 'jest vote', I just wanted to know if you had anything further to say about a potential link between your original jest post, and your immediate suspicion of Jenny.

Personally, I read Jenny as null, having a laugh, getting her bearings. But you thought she was suspect, based on, from my POV, nothing. Bar a jest vote.




?? Isnt that the idea? 'Tip' people off to the fact I'm Town? Lol. Dafuq.



Lul again. Let's not be to hasty. You're raising my suspicions.



I'm not really adamant about any aspect of life. But I am adamant that Urakro's Town, adamant that I'll lynch, and adamant that you're now a suspect.

Nuff 'adamants' for you?

Haha, well, well, well mr PMJ, finally decided to catch up with us!
Well, not per se, idk what you were doing on your end of the screen.. I just know, that you weren't contributing to mafia whilst you were online

But I'm glad you're mad and have come in swinging, if there's one thing you've just done, it's convince me that you're Town, lol.

Welcome aboard.

Okay, I'm unsure what to make of the NK too.







But I do think Zerk was saying weird things just before EOD1.

I think there was a whole Zer, Reluctantly, Helvete dynamic going on, I just have no idea bout the nature of the dynamic.

About Hado & Gopher.

Man. You guys are making me doubt my protown reads on you, simply because your bloody cases are such a fucking ball ache. eye ball ache. Is there any need? Be succinct, you might think you're epic-ly efficient, using so many bloody words.. But in my books it's anything but. You shouldn't need so many words to convey your meaning/message. You're messages should be very clear and simple...

People who talk too much, tend to talk bollox, in my experience. You say you don't want to cause a scene or a distraction, but even your conversation about not being a distraction is a distraction.

I probably won't even read the majority of your cases. Your wasting my time. I'll follow my gut with you two, and on your heads be it!!

Your ego is just.. something else.

I'd love to get to know you irl, to see if it's justified.

Must be a conspiracy theory if you're having to go into so much perceived multilayered complexity.

:ninjahidewhite

I don't have much more to say right now, but I might do in a bit.

Dude. Your over thinking this way to much.

The above quote means that on day one in the previous game I TRIED TO PREVENT A LYNCH.

But I entered this game, intending to help lynch on day one as per consensus. Ergo, I chose m targets with that objective in mind.

I wanted Bronto to talk, and as I was experiencing that particular thought Goph popped up saying VOTE BRONTO, and I was like 'hey yea, that's a good idea! Peer pressure on Bronto! ... Then a few pages later in transpired that Bronto is just not playing at all is was about to get modkilled, just as I was thinking my vote on Bronto would bea waste , Reluctantly pipes up to suggest the very same. A bit later, I stopped being lazy on my hone and lifted the Bronto vote.

I very cleary stated that I had to get a vote in prior to work, and zoned in on Helvete and Happy for being lurkers, explained that Helevete seemed more town to me, and so joined the Happy wagon.

And as per my very last post about Gopher, he has not yet fully escaped my suspicion.

Comprende?

Gopher, please see this post. Sorry about the spelling, was hitting my keyboard to hard. I was not 'buddying you', my votes were completely independent.

Well, I'm not proficient in the art of mind control, so you'll have to take my word, or not, at your own discretion. They were some real simple Ne connections going on in my head, and I've provided you the narrative. I know you have this 'persistent' feeling about me, but you need to shake it off. I was just being utilitarian.

Well, happy didn't really participate, and I'm pissed at him for that.
I was expecting a statistical town lynch, so I'm not overly dejected. I suspect one or two mafia potentially lurking in the Happy list of lynchers, and I know myself not to be one.

I am most curious as to the Helvete night kill, I would expect Urakro or yourself to have been the victim if you are both Town. Helvete must have drawn the cop or doc suspicion. Zerko has been really weird for me, I need her to get here to defend her self and her weird logic. She accused me of being a bad Townie in the last round because I made it known so obviously so that I was Town.. I don't see the issue with that.

** In regards to the previous game, I forgot to add

I don't really want to say because of your ego n all... But, simply because if you are Town, you are a key motivator for Town, and hence a strategical target to take out.

We'd perhaps loose some of our organisation and direction were you not here.

Hunting Town was my day one game plan, I announced as much. And Hado is perfectly fine and Helpful well he's not being an authoritarian. I've announced as much. Now what was your weirdness all about towards the end of day one?

No, you mean to say is: I'm open to new information, and shaking off previously held bias.

Unlike some, apparently... and some of you are quite obviously experiencing acute and persistent paranoia. Get your wits about you, will you guys. I'm not the boogey man in the shadows. I'm here, and I'm consistent, even in all my inconsistencies.

Ah, as I thought thank you, got confused for a sec.

I'm glad that you feel that way Hado, it's nice to be able to put aside our mutual bullshit in order to work together, as a team. I look forward to your review of my activity.

There's been so much information today, I'm sure everybody is in a state of absorption at the moment, I know I am.

Redbaron filter:

Spoiler

In response to Gopher




Response to Hado:


Response to Urakro








Response to Cheese:




Response to Gopher:


Response to Gopher:


Gopher




Gopher


Gopher


Zerk


Gopher


Gopher







Hado




Hado


Hado








Zerk






Gopher








Gopher


Cheese


Gopher




Gopher


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Zerk






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Reluctantly


Hado:




PMJ


Ika

Could you not share any more reads before you go? I'm not sure any one can dissuade you from your fears of Hado, but I would implore you not to get completely hung up on him either.

Youknow, as much as I try to deny it, I am human.

Erm... Not as great as knowing me (?!)

This RB orbiting Hado/Gopher thing... Has peeked my spidey senses, I have an idea. But want some time to try and case it first, because at first, it does sound rather... Conspiratorial.

I didn't think you sounded like a bitch at all, but then again..

I'm tired, and I've got a short shift in the morning, so I probably won't be pulling a Sinny allnighter tonight. Around for a bit longer, but I'm gunna kick back and listen to the rain. As from now - or the morning or whatever, if I ever disappear unexpectedly, or unaccounted for, it's probably my network. It went don all last night, and on and off before that.. idk, my new network sucks ass, but I can't afford to be switching things around at the minute.

What is this chaos I have just walked in on?



A wealth of developments, that's for sure.

So get this, I go to sleep as a reasonably safe Townie, and then I wake up to burning pitch forks... Like, I thought I was an integral member of this community?

I was 3 pages behind, and I've just had to skim the last one.. There's so much I'd love to say, but I have to leave for work in about 45 minutes. I'm not quite sure how to prioritise that time I have.

Reluctantly, ballsy move. For the record, I was with you 100% of the Zerk thing. I see I skimmed passed that she's managed to convince you all other wise now, but I didn't like it one it. Any of it, or any of her excuses.

I've been making an active effort not to get as emotionally invested as in the previous game, for these precise reasons... Thing get heated, thoughts develop, you doubt your own convictions, relations are tested, and at the end of the day in all probability, you were wrong.

I hate being wrong, just.fucking.hate.it. Soo once again, forgive me for not being this fucking snarling bull dog you all expect me to be.. Good job an all considering the rage quitters. I wanted to Tunnel Zerk ages ago but knew she couldn't hack it. I've deliberately tried my best to be diplomatic with Hado to avoid the pitfalls and Tunnel vision that I can develop.

But noo Sinnys a fucking retard innit, and unless she's our for someone's blood, something up. Fucking idiots. I am trying not to be a rebel without a cause. 

For quite a while now my top suspects have been Zerk, RB and Goph/Hado.

I've been watchin the dynamics unfold. Wasn't sure what to make of Redbaron buddying Hado, or has he been Bussing Gopher? (But I know he's been doing something)

Anyway, trying to figure out this little mystery is where I am right now. But guys, I really really, do need to go to work, please don't kill me in my absence, and TALK TO ME about your doubts. YOU ALL SEEM TO BE DANCING AROUND ME, and that is not my fault, frankly.

I have more points, but they probably will have to wait till later.

Thank you! That's my perspective too, and I don't mean to be up your arse, but I have found you to be a voice of reason.

I really should leave in the next ten minutes, I should be back around 3pm. GMT.

Just got home, looks like I have a couple of pages to get through... But this. Just look at this. Utter crap, bullshit. Spinning a yarn.

He's been going on about me a Gopher being a tag team for a while now.. Why?

I can you without a doubt that I am Town, and there's no way in hell that what I have been doing is in anyway shape of form in collusion with the G.

My voting patterns are suspicious? My voting pattern consists of two names. Bronto and Happy.

What pattern is there to see? Bar the one I provided the narrative for, which is that I wanted to pressure Bronto, and pressure Happy. Neither Happy OR town came to speak in Happy's defense, so he got the boot.

I don't know what all this fuss is about... But it sounds purposefully concocted to me. Hence why Baron and Goph are under my suspicion for being two of my top three dissenters. Hado makes up the other. I know this is scum plot to help bring me down, the only question I have is: which of you are really innocent??

Baron Buddying Hado and Bussing Gopher at the same time?!

If you don't think that's scummy, then I don't know how I'm supposed to help the blind lead the blind.

***I can tell you, without a doubt...

Sheesh, I should really learn to read things before I post em.

And just what is obviously farcical about it??

Do you hold any credence in barons claim's that I am somehow teamed with Gopher??

Lol. Well, you're wrong. I'm laughing, about how you've ended up here. But, other than telling you that this Sinny/Goph narrative is wrong, I don't know how to defend myself from it..

But bar the Gopher Sinny Quack theory, I'm still waiting on someone to present a decent case on my scumminess, you know so I can attempt to decently refute it.

Apparently I'm second in line to go, but I want to implore Town in the efforts of looking else where, because here you shall surely only find a lost cause.

FFs, you're always off when I'm ready to talk.

Oh and by the way, yea my posting style does change here and there is called ..

Phone/Laptop.
Busy/Not Busy
Happy/Angry
Sleepy/Awake

This is a prolonged experience, you are going to experience the inconsistencies that coincide with life.

Reluctantlys vote is on Hado, check post 1107.

Care to enlighten me?

Urakro.

I'm not.

And now I'm getting bored with defending myself..
Does being a role blocker require 'odd' behavior?

There was no peculiar behavior towards you. I got a green read, I offered it.

Ha, and it is that precise point I'm going to use in my defense. I follow no one, I'm not about to break the habit of a lifetime.

Gopher, what ever the fuck you've done mate, you've implicated me in a none existent conspiracy theory.

Well done.

Maybe I'm being unjust, and this is all on Town. Either way, I'll laughing all the way to the lynch.

I'm laughing about that particular theory. How it was borne, and how it has been propagated. Obviously when roles are revealed you will see my amusement from an innocent perspective.

I'm really sure you're Town because you feel like a comfortable fit in the void I would have filled, had you not. You started off being inquisitive, and confident, and straight talking... I was pretty sold.

Got to admit, I'm glad that you returned because I did take a disliking to your period of lurking, that's not what I would have done, I would have just charged on. But then again, that's why I became a bit active when you left.

Up until recently you kept out of the Goph, Hado, RB dynamic which I perceive, and so that brought you up clean too.

Agreed, I want one of them to be gone so we can start moving forwards, I feel like I can never get them one on one with their availability. When they are online the are only focused on each other.

Vote Gopher

I feel like the days are too long. Much burden.

Meh, I was testing the waters with the Gopher vote.

I still don't like Hado's attitude.

Unvote Gopher

Vote Hado

Good morning to you to.

I've been absent quite a while, just catching up now.

Hado, once again dude.. just WHYY.
Next time you draw Townie, could you just act like a regular Townie?! Without all your additional gambits. Proofs in the pudding, you cause more damage than good.

Oops, just pressed edit on that last post, but didn't edit it!

Well, well, well...

Gambling Goph, goes for the Gambit.

I'll be the first to say it then; Don't just take his word for it.

Hado was willing to suicide himself to prove he wasn't the Mafia in the Goph/Hado dynamic, and Hado outlined exactly what Goph would do in this situation, which is: Anything to save his own bacon.

Hado didn't want to give him the room to wriggle free. Gopher knows that the true Doc can't counter claim because that would out them and make them the next NK, which would hand the win to scum, effectively. He's riding on this claim going unchallenged..

I implore Town to think a little deeper

From my perspective, at least one Mafia has been setting the pace around here. Look at the activity levels, look who's pushing wagons and narratives.

I know I'm clean, and I want to know on what fucking basis that I'm the top scum read?! Who's pushing the narrative that I'm the top scum read? Who's influencing this very hastful, and very WRONG mislynch?

I rest my case.

Well for now. I'm on a phone, and this is rather difficult.

I figure he and (I suspect) Baron have set me up take the fall either now or immediately after. Which is fine by me, just so long as Town can avoid a mislynch RIGHT NOW.

And on that note:

Vote Gopher

I've suspected Baron for a while now.

On day one he buddied Hado for no reason at all, even Hado was suspicious of how Baron could be so sure.

Then he Bussed Gopher, and has been telling everyone that I'm scum, taking orders from Gopher.. He then bussed Gopher more saying he'd lynch Goph first, then me. But Goph has conveniently claimed giving Baron cause to lynch me first.

I don't buy any of it. Out of all the unknowns or null reads, what qualifies me as the top scum read? Have I played such shitty town?

Oh and FYI, I'm happy to lynch Baron. But it appears that I lack the support right now.

Well, I've been waiting on a decent case against me for the last 5 pages or so.

When will the buck cease to be passed?

There's no 'basically' about it.

The Doctor is between a rock and a hard place.

You know if the Doc's outed, the games over.

Stop ill advising Town.

I care about winning.

And can we have a fucking vote count please.

Okay.

Based on your advice I'm counter claiming. Out with it.

On all our heads be it..

This situation isn't optimal for me. Your Doctor is posting from phone, and has a lot of shit going on IRL right now.

I'm pretty sure I was free from all Doc suspicion, until now. Well done Gopher.

"Ding dong the witch is dead"

Another celebration for the Scum team is it Goph?

Oh, and if your strategy is to out talk me to this lynches result, you may be successful. I'll be here struggling to keep up on my device.

I saved Reluctantly twice, on the basis of Cop.. I had no idea who the cop was, and just went on the player who mentioned cop stuff, I was relieved and annoyed when she outed her self.

Keep looking, there's no ill intent to find.

My claim stands.

But I don't have an essay prepared to go with it.

Bar a bit of obfuscation in regards to my protection of Reluctantly, all my reasoning has been genuine, including the reasons for all 3 (now 4) of my votes being cast.

I'll be the first to admit that I'm in uncharted territory.. And was unsure of what action to take.

The scum team from my POV are Gopher and Baron.

Gophers just fake claimed, so there's my argument on him. And I've had this theory about Baron bussing him the whole time, facilitating him. I firmly believe that.

There's only so much I can do on this phone.

My next top scum read was Zerk. Jenny next.

I was on the fence with Rook, but he's flipped green anyway. Urakro is still green for me.

I think PMJ is frustrated Townie, and you have recently convinced me that you are Town too Ika.

Yes I'm aware, lol.

As it stands the Zerk person remains top 3.

I'm on phone about Sunday, so in all probability it looks like my fate is sealed. Quite honestly RL over took this game in priorities, and right now idgaf.

**Until about Sunday.

Well, my mood isn't getting any better. At all.



*Takes a bow*

I got government psy-ops to expose.

I completely forgot to add this, I'm such a twat.

Vote Sinny

Were you just waiting for it to dawn on me, QT? Lol

 

[Jennywocky]

Reviewing her votes in-thread, she committed to nothing about anyone, really.

She voted and unvoted Bronto to ride the Happy train to a lynch.
She voted Gopher, then switched to Hado to lynch him.
And then she voted herself to commit suicide.

 

[QuickTwist]

Players
1. PmjPmj
2. Reluctantly
3.Helvete
4. Breadbaron - 1, PmjPmj
5. hadototheMtotheothertothemotherfuckingblado
6. Jennywocky
7. Ika Bronto (The Shadow Cart)
8. Sinny 91
9. The Gopher
10. Rook Blarraun Cheeseumpuffs
11. Happy
12. Spacelog zerkalo
13. Urakro

Not Voting: 6, Reluctantly, redbaron, Jennywocky, ika, Spacelog, Urakro

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Day 4 Ends In: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdow...159&msg=Forum+Mafia+Day+4+Ending&font=cursive

Special Note:

Days are now 48 hours.

Come on guys, seriously. Time is wasting and there is only 1 vote.

Vote Redbaron

 

[Reluctantly]

...Which is ironic, because PMJ kinda chewed out Zerk for getting butthurt and quitting the other day.

heh, yeah. Silly INTJ, complaining about one thing and then doing it the next. No wonder I started to find him hard to read.

Some stuff:
- she repeatedly marks Zerkalo as scum
- she repeatedly confirms urakro as town
- kind of flips on Hado but then pushes to call Gopher/Hado two of her scum reads shortly before the end (along with Baron)
- labels PMJ as town but didn't talk about him a ton

Interesting. So Urakro and Pmj, which are probably the highest scum reads right now, are both mentioned as Town by Sinny...

URAK: I got townie vibes from Urak, based off of multiple posts he post. Most felt like he was looking at the game with a townie mindset. At least in the beginning. But,

...

idk about you, but that really reads off as if he believes Sinny is scum(/scummy). Hell, going so far as to pick out her role in the team.

But, that all he did with it. He didn't push the sus. any further, no vote, no nothing. No questions for sinny, no push on her, nothing. It almost seems like he just voiced sus. and did nothing of it.

This is really worsen from the fact that Sinny did indeed flip scum (not RB but still). And after Gopher (who i kinda do not understand why he picked over Sinny but w/e) claimed doc:

No one was doing that or even talking about him much. They were focus on shinny being scum and other things.

So why so concerned about himself and how he looks/have to do? I mean, should he be somewhat happy that sinny (who he called RB and what not) is being talked about with Gopher even calling for a lynch?

idk, just doesn't add up for me. Maybe I am missing something or misunderstanding something here.

...

I wish he was on when sinny claimed, for his reactions. That would be amazing to have.

Other than that, I kinda feel like he didn't fully #believe in his Gopher vote as well. His tone seemed off, and at times was very..off and on. Hell his tone is very excuse filled, in the sense that he is bad etc. and the he is new.

This fits the build of a newbie mafia certainly. Very excuse ordinate about his/her play and experience wise, fear of posting/spotlight. He has that newbie card at the ready it seems in almost all his posts.

Activity is dropping it seems. But, not going to read into that too much. Could be either RL or something more reacting to the game such as scum getting tired, or town having a hard time adding on.

But I do have to admit, his day one is very impressively townie to me.

I think you figured out he's mafia. Well done.

I want to lynch: Urak (Would Like to talk to him first), PMJ (1st I want to lynch)
I would lynch: Ikea (would need to be conviced to be lynched over the other 2)
I wouldn't lynch: Jenny, RB, Reculant

I think I'm on the exact same page at this point. Still wondering about Ika, but feel like at least Urakro is a safe bet between going with Ika or Pmj.

About Pmj (still refraining from commenting on your case about him until he does), I was wondering why everyone outing their roles made him "bored". I could see it as boring while playing as mafia, but as Town I think the Townies would like to know because it gives them an edge to help win and figure things out. So this could be nothing, but if I had to bet on it, I'd say it wasn't. Then again, he plays dumb about me outing as Cop, so that could mean he really is time pressed and didn't catch my post; but that could still be true as a mafia player; WIFOM perhaps then.

 

[Reluctantly]

Unless Urakro comes back to join the game, I'm going to vote him when I get up tomorrow morning, so I don't miss my vote.

 

[PmjPmj]

Verdict: Scum.

For all of your analysis, you're wrong. Which is unfortunate, because you put so much effort in to that I almost wish you were right.

I'll try to defend myself at some point, but I'm busy with family things this weekend. I'll have more time tomorrow, but by then I may be lynched.

Also, let's not forget that you may be scum. I still don't really trust anyone, save for cop dude.

I think Jenny and RB are the most suspicious... but that's just a gut feeling, and I've already proven they have been incorrect.

Meh, go ahead and lynch. Very few will be surprised when it subsequently transpires that I'm just a very shit town player.

 

[redbaron]

I like Shape's entrance a lot more than I liked Zerkalo's more recent play.

If Zerkalo/Shape is mafia, it's been a mutual bussing. They didn't really townread each other at any point, but they also never made a decent case against one another either (Zerkalo/Sinny that is). We know why Sinny never contributed much to any scum-reads, but not Zerkalo. That said, Shape's done that now - hence why I like his entrance, it looks Town to me.

I want Urakro to respond, and I'm voting him if he doesn't. His play has flip-flopped between town and scum - and he disappears at points when it looks like he might somehow end up in the crosshairs of anyone. It's confirmed that he isn't a power role either, and concern over being targeted is typically either a sign of scum or a power role (if I'm wrong, Ika/Shape feel free to correct me, that's my take).

Have to re-assess my reads of Ika. I didn't think an experienced scum player would come in and auto-bus Sinny like that. Now I really have no idea.

Jenny: now that you've picked up activity - who are your actual scum reads and why?

I'm still willing to lynch Urakro, Pmj and Jenny. Not willing to lynch Reluctantly, Ika or Shapelog currently.

 

[Jennywocky]

My reads have shift somewhat yesterday based on what we discussed. Current tiers:
Want: PMJ, Urakro
Will: Ika
Won't: Baron, Shapelog
Cop: Reluctantly

PMJ hasn't done anything new, really, in the last day, except make vague/unsupported accusations, complain about the way gameplay has unfolded, and dare us to lynch him. He doesn't respond to cases made against him except by issuing more threats. I scan that as 'growling dog' strategy meant to scare people off.

Once we scanned the Sinny filter, Urakro had more connections to her in the way she continued to declare him Town. As noted in my past reads, he had looked Town early in game but then slowly devolved into ambiguity, mainly because of his declining engagement and the way he never followed through on virtually any of his reads. He disappeared completely around the time that Sinny was floundering and hasn't reengaged.

Ika's play style really hasn't changed since yesterday. He continues to play the role of Group Mentor and provide useful advice from the sidelines while not really engaging, and the reasoning behind his reads isn't necessarily clear. So I have the same concerns I had about him yesterday, he's essentially an active lurker (if that term make sense) and a big blank that I still am not able to fill in.

My biggest concern about Baron was why he drilled after Gopher/Sinny. I found his response reasonable since it gels with what I've seen of him on the forum, and yes, Gopher was scummy doc (which is why he also drew attention as a plausible lynch from other players). He approaches things things differently than I do, but he always explains himself rationally when I question him, his logic tracks. He's been more transparent than other players.

Zerk originally felt scummy in the game because her play was confusing to me, she wouldn't answer questions posed to her, she seemed to be trying to buddy up, and she appeared to be wearing a happy mask to some degree -- up until the point where I ended up pushing on her really hard to get answers about her behavior and her reads. There are some players who habitually use anger as a tool, but based on her past persona, when Zerk blew up I felt like she actually had "let go of the mask" and was finally being direct and honest. Her quitting seemed less a ploy and more that I had actually hurt her feelings, which means things I had labeled as scum play were possibly just part of her personal play. I also don't see as strong a connection between her and Sinny as I do between her and Urakro (as an example). Meanwhile, Shapelog asked good opening questions, engaged more transparently, and the gist of the reads intersects with what I've seen on the broad scale.

So, with far better choices on the table, Baron and Shapelog are off the table for me right now.

 

[redbaron]

Going to bed.

End of day in 9 hours. I'll set an alarm so I don't miss it. Just in case:

Vote Urakro

 

[Reluctantly]

alright,

VOTE Urakro

 

[Jennywocky]

I'm here via cell and will be on laptop for the remaining few hours.

Both are on my "want" list, so I won't quibble if I have to flip to avoid a No Lynch. I do think Pmjpmj has a more overt scum read, so...

vote Pmjpmj

 

[PmjPmj]

Unless you're mafia, you're going to be face-palming. My bad, though; I underestimated requirements initially, and haven't had much time to build cases. Keep dropping in and out today but far too busy with the family.

A lot of space-dude's post is bullshit, mind - he's reading far too much in to certain things, and completely taking others out of context / failing to understand some basics... but time. Always time.

If I'm still around tomorrow, I'll make a case. My morning schedule is pretty free thus far.

 

[PmjPmj]

RB isn't going to hang, so:

Unvote Redbaron

Vote Urakro

Reasons:

1) self survival
2) damned if I'm do, damned if I don't... so refer back to 1)

If I don't and he's mafia, I look suspicious. If I do and he's mafia, I look suspicious (sacrificial lamb) and the only other case is around me at the moment. He'll hang, and he'll be a townie. Mafia are circling. I'm next.

 

[PmjPmj]

I'm do?

I do*

 

[redbaron]

Tbh it's not that I don't suspect Shapelog as well. He was on my list of willing lynches and his post seems like original thought, but I did bring up and accuse Urakro first today.

He pretty much has just tacked onto my ideas and we're now looking like a Urakro lynch. I've been suspicious of Zerkalo's player slot from about Day 2 but his entrance today was really solid. Even if you think his reasoning is bullshit, to me he's come into the game and started to push what seem like original scumhunting ideas so I'm reading him as Town.