Drugs

[flow]

As a college student (which I currently am), I've done my fair share of experimenting with the different drugs that sounded interesting/exciting. Both the legal (prescription) and illegal (come on) forms of drugs have found my fancy, and I guess I'm curious as to other INTPs drug usage. So, are you: experimental (one and done), occasional, frequent (I'd consider daily prescriptions frequent drug use, to clarify), or abstaining?

As of right now, I'm basically an occasional drug user. I smoke weed on a semi-regular basis and am probably what is known as a pot head. I'm not on any prescription drugs, however. Other than marijuana, I've tried a lot of drugs once, such as: ecstasy, acid, salvia and shrooms. I've done coke a few times, but I have no desire to try it again. I've also smoked opium and (gasp) tobacco! As for the prescription drugs, I've only taken Codeine for recreational use. I've heard good things about some of those legal drugs out there though..

Anyways, looking into the future I see my drug use deteriorating. I'll probably try shrooms a couple more times, and maybe acid once more. I don't plan on doing ecstasy or salvia ever again. Ecstasy was actually one of the better nights of my life, I know nothing will ever compare to that, so it's pointless to even try and recreate it. Salvia was the strongest, most bizarre and terrifying hallucinogen I've done. I assume as soon as I have kids I'll stop smoking, or at least until they're old enough to understand it. It sucks the drug is illegal in most countries, but I've a hunch it'll be legalized soon enough. I also enjoy tea, coffee, and pop/soda (caffeine).

So, how about drugs and you?

 

[Waterstiller]

I was interested in how INTPs react to certain substances as well. I fear dependence on substances and as a rule tend to maximize enjoyment for every usage.

I had a mild drinking problem (discussed in that thread). I've had a pack of clove cigarettes since last November and enjoy those every now and then, especially while drinking and stargazing. I'm still deciding on whether I should finish the pack since I tend to crave one for a couple days after smoking one.

Salvia trips were the most frightening experiences of my life. I've only done it twice but they were so deep I'm still analyzing my notes from them (of which I'd never show anyone) over a year later. Lots of change has resulted in the revelations from them. To be honest, it's probably my drug of choice and one day when I feel adventurous enough I'll go back there.

No caffeine on purpose, but I am a fan of PG Tips tea. Weed.. I'm left-handed, and while descent into psychosis seems like something I want to acheive towards the end of life, I need to keep a grip on my sanity for now.

 

[IntenseBurger]

I have never taken any drugs for "recreation" and probably never will.
I honestly don't care if others do.
No, it's not morals
For me, I cannot stand the thought of taking any mind altering drugs.
It's mainly the thought of losing control of myself I can't stand.

I am also in college, and haven't even had the slightest temptation to even try any of these

As far as caffeine goes, I drink coca-cola all the time.
But the caffeine does nothing to me

 

[ElectricWizard]

I haven't had any urge to do it, I don't think I will, but I won't look down on somebody for doing it. The people that go up to smokers and pretend to cough are morons who ought to be burnt alive.

 

[Jules]

I smoke tobacco and weed. Weed is a drug that isn't physically addictive, unlike nicotine or most other kinds of drugs.
This is an interesting presentation of what drugs actually do in your brain.

Actually, I'm more interested in why one would use drugs, besides for experimenting.

This prolly sounds like a load of BS, but for me the cannabis does a couple of things. It appears to slow down my thought process far enough for me to be aware of it more consciously. It gives me a bit more control over it. And as an extra I'm more confident in social interaction, but often choose not to interact, since that would disturb my flow of thoughts (which are more interesting now).
And of course there's the usual side-effects. Dry mouth, the urge to eat as much as I can and an incredible desire to sleep

I am so lucky to live in the Netherlands

 

[ChaosTheory]

Occasionally I smoke weed with friends. I can't explain the feeling it gives me. Eveything is funnier, more exciting. The only downside is that I eat like, everything I can see. It's pretty much the best thing to do when with a small group of friends.

I drink sometimes, but rarely. Just at a few parties I'm invited to.

 

[Reverse Transcriptase]

Senior in college, I drink a fair amount but I wouldn't call myself an alcoholic.

I'm an "over the hill" stoner. I've been toking for a year and a half, and while I still smoke by habit it has lost a lot of it's magical charm.

I did acid. I'm very much on the fence of my experiences... on one hand the experiences challenged me in ways that I hadn't ever imagined, and I saw the world in such a different world. I appreciated it for those reasons, but it was also really scary at times. I'm looking to do it again anytime soon.

 

[Agent Intellect]

did pain killers a few times during high school. wasn't really an addict, as i wasn't spending tons of money on it or anything and i pretty much gave it up (and picked up drinking in its place). i smoked a cigarette once when i was really drunk so i've never really gotten addicted to it, and both of my parents are heavy smokers and its never really appealed to me.

i've probably smoked weed maybe 10 times my entire life, half of which was in conjunction with alcohol, so i was already fucked up anyway so it didn't really matter. i never really got the "extra happy, everything is funny" feeling from weed, i just got really spaced out and wanted to be alone to listen to music, which was awesome while high.

i've always kind of wanted to try shrooms or ecstacy, but thats never really gone past the stage of just thinking that if i was offered it for free right now that i'd do it lol. unless an opportunity like that ever comes up, i'll probably never pursue it any further.

 

[Thomas Young]

Ye I get a similar buzz from smoking weed. If I'm among peolple I want to be isolated I feel more comfortable that way. I've done a few other substances like base, cocaine, and E. E's are good when your on one, but the come down can be a real pisser. I'd also like to try shrooms. Oh yeah and I usually go out and get drunk on the weekend and look for my next sexual conquest.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

@flow,

I had very similar experiences when I was your age. I smoked weed daily, dropped acid about a dozen times, ditto with shrooms and E. Never heard of Salvia (except the common plant). I also did coke a few times and easily left it behind.
I also drank like a fish until around the time I hit 30 and it dropped off significantly after that. Almost to the point where I drink just a couple once or twice a year. I do still smoke cigs but am getting that down significantly too. Weed I've smoked maybe a dozen times in the last ten years.
A couple years ago, a serious back injury which I'm still battling left me taking Percocet (7.5s, the biggest pharmacies would carry and even then only 1 in 5) 3 times a day for over a year. With my history it was a worry that I might get hooked but when I switched doctors and my new one told me he doesn't prescribe narcotics, I had no problems stopping. I even saved my leftover pills for a time I might need them. No temptations to take them and it has been almost a year.
Tobacco is the only thing I've had a hard time giving up but I've yet to make a serious effort to do so.

 

[Vrecknidj]

So, here we go.

1) Once in a great while, I'll have a beer, a glass of wine, or a mixed drink. Once upon a time, I drank a bit more, or a bit more often. But, these days, it costs too much, I don't derive much from it, and I don't have time.

2) I have never tried any of the typical illegal drugs. I have a lot of friends who have, and I've watched the effects on others. Generally, unimpressive.

3) A friend had some weird stuff once that was inhaled. I have no idea what it was, but I tried it. It basically felt like all the oxygen quickly left my brain, kinda like the disorienting rush of standing up too fast. That didn't do anything for me either.

And, finally, I work at a job where I sometimes get drug tested. My wife and kids would be crushed if I lost my job, because, well, because we'd lose the house and be unable to afford to eat until I got another one. And, frankly, there aren't any side-effects that are worth that. So, I have no particular fondness for drugs.

That said, I drink a blend of 1/3 caffeinated and 2/3 decaffeinated coffee in the morning, and I suppose that's a drug.

Dave

 

[Wisp]

Abstained. I value my health too much.

Caffeine is good though, black tea, although I drink it to stay up, not to wake up.

 

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Abstained. I value my health too much.

Caffeine is good though, black tea, although I drink it to stay up, not to wake up.

Yeah, caffeine isn't good for your body. Now, it isn't that bad, and normally I wouldn't call people on it, but you're taking a high & mighty attitude about your health so I thought you should know. Weed is comparable to caffeine, overall.

http://www.cannabisfacts.ca/#three
(Data in their chart comes directly from http://www.ndsn.org/AUGUST94/NICOTINE.html which is not a pro-cannabis organization.)

 

[Waterstiller]

Mental health is a huge part of our overall health, however. It's the most important for me.

Here's why I stay away from weed:

[FONT=Tahoma,Helvetica]However, the greatest fears of an INTP are usually ideas generated within his own mind. The problem is that the Ti-Ne axis is capable of conceiving very unpleasant ideas, which may be far from reality and even irrational. Ideas and possibilities assume so much importance in the mind of an INTP that they can override a common sense factual grasp on reality. Since the emotional response to an unpleasant idea is based on an underdeveloped function, it may also fail to bring a return to common sense. The net result is the fear that ideas alone may lead to self-destruction. This fear is irrational and is a cry of help from the feeling shadow when being over dominated by the Ti-Ne axis. This problem can be overcome when more balanced type dynamics result from increasing maturity.[/FONT]

Weed seems like it has potential to be the immature INTP's poison.

Here are some experiences that run the gamut. Of note are the "difficult experiences" and "Bad trips".

 

[Perseus]

NPs are in a bit of problem remaining drug free. Pems can put the performer more to the Sensing end of the continuum. Our Intuition puts us at a disadvantage regarding wavelength (=processing time is too long for functional performance).

 

[ChaosTheory]

Mental health is a huge part of our overall health, however. It's the most important for me.

Here's why I stay away from weed:
Weed seems like it has potential to be the immature INTP's poison.

Here are some experiences that run the gamut. Of note are the "difficult experiences" and "Bad trips".

I don't think a return to common sense is a valid reason to stay away from weed. I'm kinda baffled by that reason, actually. Unless you smoke it, you don't know what it does. Some things are true among most people, but everyone gets more relaxed, more thoughtful, and happier. Just don't smoke while driving or you may freak out. I did once and so did my friend.

 

[Dissident]

Weed weakens your memory, mine is awful enough as it is, if I smoked I probably wouldnt even remember my way home

Having hallucinations sound like fun, I may try some drug that has that effect someday. I mostly stay away from drugs because of the control issue that was mentioned, but I dont think I would allow myself to become addict anyway. Other than that as long as they dont bother anyone else I have no problem with others using drugs (not that I like them either). Lowlifes that go out stealing because they cant even pay for they addiction, those I deeply despise.

 

[Jordan~]

I generally avoid things that are bad for me. I'm not about to get addicted to something and die before I even have a chance to get preserved.

I would hardly call saying that you care about your health enough not to take a drug that can lead to insanity in the long term is taking a "high and mighty attitude", even if you do drink caffeine - and I'm pretty sure you need to make an active effort to get poisoned by that.

Besides that, there's the "all that effort for nothing" argument. It's illegal, so there is a certain amount of risk involved in taking it, and I have no reason to take it. I'm as well to pile up stones until I can't reach the top of the pile, then knock it all down and start again - it would be a pointless activity from which I gained nothing that required effort. I'd rather not have anything screwing with my mind, anyway.

I haven't had any urge to do it, I don't think I will, but I won't look down on somebody for doing it. The people that go up to smokers and pretend to cough are morons who ought to be burnt alive.

Tobacco smoke does make me cough, I prefer the smell of stale excrement. I generally just hold my breath until they're gone.

Having said all that, I don't object to others doing drugs. When they let it mess up their health and it's the people who didn't that have to pay for their upkeep, it's a different matter...

 

[Devercia]

My mother quit smoking. One of the biggest things she noticed in her health was how sensitive her sense of smell became. Smoking kills smell and taste,she says.

 

[p0psicle]

I quit smoking almost 1 year ago and there was no difference in the way I taste, smell or have sex.

I also quit caffeine.

 

[Devercia]

She was a 2 pack a day person, if that matters.

 

[p0psicle]

I was a 1 pack a day...I guess it must've been incredibly hard for her.

 

[FusionKnight]

You know, a lot of those accounts on the "Bad Trips" page someone linked are very reminiscent of the hallucinations and dreams I get when I have a high fever from the occasional flu or strep or whatever. The feeling that reality becomes extremely subjective, that your own mind is slipping away, that thoughts start to become more real, and small things can induce panic or terror.

I've never done any drugs (other than caffeine or alcohol) but the stories describe things I definitely have experienced through illness and fever.

 

[Wisp]

... I haven't been that I'll for at least 3 years now... And given my age, that's a long time.

 

[severus]

I would give my opinion on all this but Jordan pretty much covered it for me. I might try pot if someone offered it to me, but that's not likely given my lack of contact with people.

 

[kellimaier]

I am a currently clean/non using heroin and prescription pain killer addict. ( and the child of a heroin addict ...who was mostly clean while i was growing up...after age 6.)
I am not sure I really get the whole experimental aspect when it is actually applied to using...to me drugs are not so interesting from a mind altering point of view. I find the fact that music or working out can be mind altering in a natural way to be far more intriguing.
Drugs=need for me. They were the anti-experiment in that respect.

 

[Calamedes]

I don't quite understand your final statment, Kelli. What do you mean by "Drugs = need for me. They were the anti-experiment in that respect." ?

And yes, there is something odd about music being mind-altering. For me, dance and discipline are my anti-drugs. What about everybody else?

 

[flow]

I don't need anti-drugs, I do what I want. It's not like some kind of forbidden fruit... you won't die if you get high..you'll just feel great. I don't see the point in resisting things simply to resist them. Once you get to that old age and start looking back on your life (although I'm pretty sure INTPs are constantly reflecting anyways), will you really be proud you never experimented with drugs? Or will you realize who cares either way. You're no worse or better, you're still just you. Drugs are only dangerous if you're already dangerous. They are not the cause of problems, they are the effect. People turn to drugs when their life is already shitty, and it can easily make it worse. But if your life is good, and you do drugs with your friends in a safe environment, right on!

 

[severus]

mugglecast: my anti drug

semi-random thought: we should have a thread dedicated to slogans

 

[Agent Intellect]

alcohol is my anti-drug (that and observing too many horror stories)

 

[kellimaier]

I don't quite understand your final statment, Kelli. What do you mean by "Drugs = need for me. They were the anti-experiment in that respect." ?

And yes, there is something odd about music being mind-altering. For me, dance and discipline are my anti-drugs. What about everybody else?

I mean that in order for something to have an experimental element to it...the circumstances...use, etc...need to be based in freedom.
I was far from free as an addict.
It is a good question on your part.

 

[Taylored]

I drink with regularity, but never in extremes... these days it is rarely more than 2 or 3 beers.

I have smoked weed. I never really enjoyed it.

I tried shrooms once. NEVER AGAIN.

 

[Perseus]

On one web page it says that INTPs have the highest rate of alcohol and drug violations in the USA at college.

I would not mind betting that the opposite ESFJ have high violations from personal experience of these nutters. Thye favour herion mostly, but also hashish, the first one I hate and the second one I consider not important.

 

[oskermire]

current college student - regular pot smoker..is atleast once a week regular?
im actually really fascinated with drugs, the way they alter you physically, mentally..everything.
ive done e, but like most users, the come down sucks..i am willing, even excited to try lsd and shrooms! though i fear a "bad trip".
DMT is as far as ive gotten with pretty extreme drugs...it was a pretty intense trip, which is indescrible, but very very good..
dexamphetamines are the only prescription drug ive taken, personally prefer the illegal ones.

 

[*Stabbity*]

Never smoked anything. Ever. Not once. Tried ecstacy MDMA twice. Got very sick both times. The second time almost killed me. If it weren't for my ex-gf, I'd probably be dead. She got me help when everyone else was content on leaving me there to flop like a fish and pass out.

I have sciatica and I am prescribed pain pills for it. I like the pill more for the happiness feeling than the pain relief.

I need to find some other ways of delaing with both the pain and the unhappiness.

I'm not to the point of abuse yet.

 

[Perseus]

Do they prescribe amphetamines in America? They tend not to in the UK. I asked for a Pemoline script, but they changed their mind. I don't like Pems much. Beta Blockers or Ritalin might be better when the stress gets too much.

The INTP has a problem with Pony girls (ESFJ). The ideal solution is to find a Ferret, Hawk, Dragon, even a Beaver, Butterfly or a Wolf. But failing that, a shot can wean us off the trouble and make us functional.

 

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The INTP has a problem with Pony girls (ESFJ). The ideal solution is to find a Ferret, Hawk, Dragon, even a Beaver, Butterfly or a Wolf. But failing that, a shot can wean us off the trouble and make us functional.

I don't know what you mean. How does INTP have a trouble with ESFJ girls? What do your animal symbols mean?

How does this relate to drugs?

(I was looking at your other posts... If you continually use animal symbols that no one else knows, you're not really participating in the community discussion. You're doing single-player, in a multi-player environment.)
Sorry, I'm not trying to be a meanie... I just want to catalyze understanding!

 

[Perseus]

Try an ESFJ and find yourself. I would not advise it though. They are either Christian or whores and both as bad as each other. The sexual attraction is there though. Get out as quick as you can, or else you will need drugs to calm you down!

They favour heroin.

 

[Perseus]

Ferret INFJ, Beaver ENTJ, Hawk INTJ, Dragon ENFP, Snake ENTP, Eagle INTP.

 

[flow]

I do find the ESFJ whores/christian comparison to be amusing. My roommate is an ENFJ and he is indeed a whore/christian.

 

[Chimera]

Haha. In the health class I'm being forced to take, drugs are our current unit. Being in my first year of highschool, I haven't had hardly any exposure to drugs, and I haven't taken any.
Just for the record, alcohol is considered a drug, so it can't really be an anti-drug. That's what they're teaching us, anyway. I pretty much agree with that one.
As long as the drug user is smart about it and it doesn't hurt me or people I'm close to, I really don't care.

My anti-drug is not wanting to mess my mind or life up. kthnx

...​

 

[wadlez]

Here's why you shouldnt take meth

301 Moved Permanently

 

[snafupants]

The bloke in the video did not seem to be playing with a full deck from the outset. By the way, I am in no way condoning the use of meth; or heroin, or crack, or cocaine.

As for Dissident's comments, you should look at those study designs from the 1970s which concluded weed hurts memory. They were done on monkeys and they actually deprived them of oxygen while they were getting them loaded on mary jane. It seems the oxygen deprivation could hamper the old noggin more than mary jane, who knew?

Also, I find the Controlled Substance Act orchestrated by Tricky Dick Nixon to be pretty dubious. Weed, peyote, and mescaline are schedule one and cocaine and the peppy amphetamines are schedule two. You tell me, would you rather higher someone who took a few tokes or someone who did a few rails during his lunch break? Dont think too hard...

 

[ckm]

I am only 17, so I am not as well-seasoned as a lot of people here. So far I have drank to get drunk, but not often. Last night was the second time I did so this year, and to be honest I didn't really enjoy it. The setting was not great, but the overall sensation didn't appeal to me as much as I'd like it to have. I felt extremely sluggish, and stupid, not to mention an unpleasant hangover. I will probably/hopefully drink small amounts in future and only when the social setting calls for it (conforming to a social standard is a whole other argument), if at all.

I generally avoid coffee, but there is some caffeine in matcha, which I drink.

I have tried weed once, and only a small amount. I plan on doing so again soon, and perhaps "replace" alcohol with it in future.

There's a lot of conflicting information about drugs, and though I am interested in experimenting with mind-altering substances I think I want to make an informed decision to go ahead with it, rather than jump into it all guns blazing.

 

[Haven]

I've smoked before. It tends to be a pleasant experience when the mj has the right potency. Too weak, and I become a socially paranoid mess. Too strong, and I find it nearly impossible to function (or even sit still).

I have had very intense experiences while smoking, typically due to my mindset before I began. Once, I felt like I was trapped in an autistic (low functioning) person's body. It was really terrifying. Most of the time, weed is harmless. Not always though, and people rarely talk about those experiences.

Painkillers are my drug of choice- they give me the chance to get lost in thought without being distracted by physical discomfort. And then there's that lovely feeling in my stomach.

Still, I rarely indulge in drug use, aside from nicotine.

 

[snafupants]

Weed - music was mind-blowing after many tokes GRADE: B
Alcohol - makes me gooey and slow the next day GRADE: C+
Amphetamines - staying up for 72 hours anyone? GRADE: B+
Caffeine - mucho caffeine. my favorite. unabashed addiction GRADE: A-
Benzos - only during extremely stress inducing situations GRADE: B-
Meditation - the only hallucinogen attempted GRADE: A-

Lackluster grades were the result of either deleterious side-effects or an unstimulating overall experience; mostly the former.

 

[Cavallier]

Alcohol: I love mixing drinks for people. I use it as a pain killer for really bad headaches a lot. Also, I just really like various kinds of alcohol. I enjoy the history, art, and flavor of it all. The only issue I have with alcohol is that I drink when I'm bored and I get bored a lot.
Weed: A few times. Mostly it does nothing for me except make me hungry. Meh.
Heroin: Once, never again. I enjoyed it thoroughly and I don't need that in my life.
Salvia: It sounds pretty disgusting. It gives you a quick high that doesn't seem worth the side effects.
Nicotine: I've had a few cigarettes in junior high and wasn't impressed. I enjoy a clove cigarette from time to time for flavor and smell alone. Mostly I think cigarettes are nasty. I really enjoy a cigar at parties though.
Coke: Have not tried it and I don't really want to. I don't like uppers because they make me feel like crap for days afterward.
Meth: I tried it once and didn't enjoy it. I did not enjoy the high energy but psychotic experience it gave me. For some reason meth leaves me completely disconnected from reality. I'd much rather spend a few hours in the hypnotic dream like state that heroin leaves me in than functioning physically but crazy. Afterward I became deeply depressed.
Painkillers: Painkillers don't work on me very well. I have to take a large amount of them before the pain is dulled and the pain comes back after a short amount of time. Even a child they had to give me adult dosages in order to dull pain. I find that meditation and breathing exercises help more than pain killers. Mentally they just make me sleepy but irritable. As a recreational drug they don't do much.

For the most part I strive to stay calm in all situations. Most of the drugs above don't allow me to do this and it bothers me to the point that I mostly just avoid drugs. I've tried a few once or twice for the experience.

 

[bananaphallus]

Smoking charred banana-bits: Total failure - no perceptible effects, one of the great disappointments in my life.
Marijuana: Like it, but don't smoke it currently.
Alcohol: Not a big fan. Genuinely don't understand the appeal of beer/its musty coarseness.
Caffeine: Occasionally sought out for a good pick-me-up, but most of the things I consume that have caffeine in them I'd still eat/drink if they didn't [says the deluded addict].
Cigarettes/cigars: No.
Chewing tobacco: No.

 

[flow]

Wow, I'd just like to edit one of my posts from.. 2 years ago. When I said my ENFJ roommate is a whore/christian, I meant to say ESFJ.

 

[Moniker]

I've never smoked pot, but I've done a few other things, mostly ecstasy.
Oh, and prescription drugs. Mainly Vicodin, occasional/frequent use for about two years, hooked on it for a while. But now, I don't do anything except the occasional shot of liquor...