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Seriously, just what impels you to act like such a worthless piece of shit? Why would you post that in a thread where another being was expressing new ideas/poems/connections creatively? I clicked on your post archive and you don't even have the excuse of being a through-and-through moron like Pjoa9. Sincerely, please go hang yourself.

Edit: seriously fuck you. I just came here to post new things I'd written for this thread and I have to look at that. What is with you people trying to trample over anything new or that you don't understand or immediately resonate with? You are so incredibly scummy. You're like a parody-cliche of the untermensch, it's ridiculous.
You hang your piece in a museum. It's a fine thing. People come along. Some appreciate; some pass it by; some comment from within, some are inspired, some misjudge.

You hang your piece in a museum. What do you expect? Are you interested in the reactions or do you give honor to your piece?
 

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You don't know what the piece is, which is the point. Which is why you should stop spewing your assumptions, which all concern the limited/assumption-based realm which you are capable of engaging with coherently and are attempting, in your profanity of being, to force it into.

Just take the hint and go away, please? This a thread about a particular creation, it wasn't ordained that you would fill it with your distracting and annoying irrelevancies, but it seems that's happened. Would you just stop and leave?

To anybody with any honour that would be enough-- that somebody is creating something and informs you you don't get it, and are in the way. They would respect that another being might be working on its own terms and manifesting its nature. But you don't think in terms of being-- only in terms of the immensely arrogant system of abstractions and designations and commonly accepted standards which your incompetent society has convinced you, in its profanity, that it's ok to spew anywhere and interrupt/interfere with any being with. That you think is ok in so far as something involves the public sphere or the possibility of an engagement. Again, they should have listened to Plato.
 

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Which, again, gets at why things like the Peak Pathway are such important phenomena to recognise. They are at least a start in the recognition of the different ways that different beings manifest, that could enable a societal integration of respect for that uniqueness. Would at least prevent the nearly universally accepted suppression of being in the public sphere by over-modulation and memetic toxin etc. The nearly universal credence given to the manipulation/interruption/domination of other beings as they manifest publicly (and, ever increasingly, privately) by an essentially imperialistic system of enforced designation/delineation. And of seemingly 'reasonable' associated etiquette and accepted behaviour.

To me that doesn't go nearly far enough, and won't constitute a purification of this degraded culture until merged/symbioted with other insights. But it's perhaps the most important start we as a race have been given towards grounding the respect plebs always miss and corrupt in knowledge. Towards cleansing the profanity and degradation which the least amongst us are permitted to dominate and suppress the most sacred by.

For a demonstration of what this plebianism looks like-- Pi's 'hang your piece in a museum' is a pretty good one. It encapsulates the public sphere aspect, the delineation aspect, and the puerile bronze-blooded arrogance all in one. Along with a total disregard for and willingness to suppress the manifestation of another peak pathway which is less accommodated in society.
 

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These should be familiar... If their reacquaintance is greeted by sentiments of inappreciation, I can remove them. I don't see, however, why they should. If I did, I wouldn't have posted them.

"A civilization which cannot burst through its current abstractions is doomed to sterility after a very limited period of progress." A.N. Whitehead

"The empiricist... thinks he believes only what he sees, but he is much better at believing than at seeing." G. Santayana

"That is precisely what common sense is for, to be jarred into uncommon sense. One of the chief services which mathematics has rendered the human race in the past century is to put "common sense" where it belongs, on the topmost shell next to the dusty canister labeled "discarded nonsense"" E.T. Bell

"The thought of the painter, the musician, the geometrician, the tradesman, and the philosopher may take very different forms; still more so the thought of the uncultivated man, which remains rudimentary and revolves for ever in the same circles." Henri Piéron

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"Wavy Gravy once asked a Zen Roshi, "What happens after death?"

The Roshi replied, "I don't know."

Wavy protested, "But you're a Zen Master!"

"Yes," the Roshi admitted, "but I'm not a dead Zen Master."
 

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People fold. The proclaimed is betrayed. The endless dance of image and form and circumstance eventually provides everyone with a palatable path to the failure of vision. Some step might even seem numinous or like a truer form of wisdom than the hard and unrewarding striving of knowing, holding to and knowing beyond all doubt, the truth of the visions in your heart. The true degree of ugliness and failure of potential in this race. The truly better beauty or vision or purity of conception hidden in the heart which people protect from exposure to it.
Somehow I'm reminded I wouldn't care to swim around in beauty if it were not bordered by ugliness. That's not well put, so put it better.

This forum-- and, again, I'm only posting here because threads were woven back when it wasn't so filled with scum, that continue latent and affective today, loosely tied to this site by habit and memory-- is an example of somewhere where most folded and became brown-nosers to what broke them early on. Where most are reverent before the destruction and denial of vision, before an empty and unfounded materialistic misanthropy, where the tepid and the fruitless and the easily seemingly clever and belittling is rewarded over the unbounded because it is a cowardice that most members have already contorted their beings around accepting. Respect seems amongst many to be attributed in direct proportion to how far and how assuredly this process of degeneration has progressed.
Not everyone has this attitude. I'm reminded of sociology students who with rubber gloved hands* pick up and bag garbage so they can make a study of it. Let's find the beauty in ugliness. I'm convinced it's there if you can see it.

Some only fold, or seem to fold or proclaim and advocate folding, in the latter decades of their life. ...
I definitely fold in my latter decades. Here is proof, since you brought it up, lol. I do it partly for fun and partly for its noble contribution to curing diseases of the world.:)

Now I hope you don't curse me if I've misunderstood your meaning.:phear:
http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_list.php?s=&a=1&srt=4&t=328

But every victory of vision, of numinosity-- every form that takes-- seems eventually to be betrayed. It's as though that were the one test, the one principle, of this life. Do you remember what it means to be a hero? The one question asked in myriad forms, the one riddle that you give an answer to whether you want to or not...
What's so heroic about being a hero? Why can't the thing stand for itself? Must it presume so much that it CAN be betrayed?

*If you are among those ambitious sociology students reading this, please be careful of those needled syringes.:phear:
 

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Not everyone has this attitude. I'm reminded of sociology students who with rubber gloved hands* pick up and bag garbage so they can make a study of it. Let's find the beauty in ugliness. I'm convinced it's there if you can see it.


In your own fucking thread. Get the fuck away from me, ok? I am not interested in constantly mixing my poetry with your garbage.

 

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That's not what I said. Do not try to speak for me.
Lyra. Pardon me. To which message are you replying? There are three different display modes.
 

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Standard mode, which is how this thread is meant to be viewed. It's also meant not to have you in it. So please get out.
 

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Standard mode, which is how this thread is meant to be viewed. It's also meant not to have you in it. So please get out.

I understand that you're angry that these people don't understand your words, Lyra, but what else can you expect from a forum? This place was created for the sole purpose of having people banter, debate, and disagree; none of us here mean you any disrespect or harm, we simply have trouble understanding your ideas. However, telling us to leave this thread and hang ourselves hurts our feelings regardless of who is right.

So all I ask is that you stop cursing and insulting us when we don't immediately understand. Some ideas are complicated, so please, have patience with us.

-Duxwing
 

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There once was a man from Peru. I caught him eating shoes. Well I promptly said 'by god man, what are you doing?'
 

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I don't believe in appeasement. Treat actions as they should be treated in a fully human society, and as they actually are, not as they appear. It's the only way somebody driving towards that world can actually keep going, instead of folding.

There is also the unspoken, which was once different... here. And it lives on in a few, if you talk to it.
 

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(With my unicorn horn, that is... people don't believe they exist, see.)
 

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Gaudi-- architect for the next age. Not incidental relationship to hyperspace, the infusion of matter and human creations with life... the vitalisation of the dead architecture of 4-dimensional consciousness.... Also Faustian in Spengler's ssense, but also a sense beyond, etc... Also his architecture is the best livable scale creation in accordance with Mandelbrot's fractals...

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Symbiosis

(The coming art of living matter)

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Sheldrake's Science Delusion (long-- a substantial introduction to the ten unproven dogmas of institutional Scientistic materialism, which many unduly arrogant and ignorant posters on this forum and speakers in the public sphere take for granted or brown-nose in their ridiculous approval seeking cowardice.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix2PX7KKSG4
 

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Rupert Sheldrake on Terrence McKenna (short)

[FLV]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJIjurcGVJ4[/FLV]

Very short introduction to Sheldrake and the non-empirical assumptions constraining modern science.
 

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Sheldrake and McKenna: Form and Mystery

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The Cosmic Plenum: Bohm's Gnosis: The Implicate Order

This article discusses the vision David Bohm intuited from his insight (gnosis) into the quantum world. This vision discerns the characteristics of an evolving cosmos in process; and, also, it ponders upon the implications for humanity. Bohm's scientific presentations are not in this article; however, they can be found in his books listed in the Reference Section at the end of these series of articles.

BOHM AND THE IMPLICATE ORDER: AN INTRODUCTION


David Bohm, an American, was one of the leading quantum physicists of our age. He died recently. Following a venerable career at the University of California (Berkeley) and at Princeton's Institute of Advanced Studies, he moved to become Professor of Theoretical Physics at Birkbeck College of the University of London. During his later years he linked a formidable knowledge of the history and philosophy of science to his keen experience as a physicist.

In recent years, Bohm attempted to explain an ontological basis for quantum theory. The basis of quantum theory can be summarized in three propositions:

1.) In the subatomic world, few things can be predicted with 100 percent precision; however, accurate predictions can be made about the probability of any particular outcome.

2.) One has to work with the probabilities rather than certainties, because it is impossible (for an observer) to describe all aspects of a particle at once (speed and location).

3.) Electromagnetic energy (such as light or heat) does not always behave like a continuous wave--rather it is grainy, because energy can be transferred only in quantum packages. Therefore, light has a dual character. Under certain circumstances, it may display wavelike aspects; and in other circumstances, it may have the characteristics of particles.

Referring to quantum theory, Bohm's basic assumption is that "elementary particles are actually systems of extremely complicated internal structure, acting essentially as amplifiers of *information* contained in a quantum wave." As a conseqence, he has evolved a new and controversial theory of the universe--a new model of reality that Bohm calls the "Implicate Order."

The theory of the Implicate Order contains an ultraholistic cosmic view; it connects everything with everything else. In principle, any individual element could reveal "detailed information about every other element in the universe." The central underlying theme of Bohm's theory is the "unbroken wholeness of the totality of existence as an undivided flowing movement without borders."

During the early 1980s Bohm developed his theory of the Implicate Order in order to explain the bizarre behavior of subatomic particles--behavior that quantum phyicists have not been able to explain. Basically, two subatomic particles that have once interacted can instantaneously "respond to each other's motions thousands of years later when they are light-years apart." This sort of particle interconnectedness requires superluminal signaling, which is faster than the speed of light. This odd phenomenon is called the EPR effect, named after the Einstein, Podolsky, and Rosen thought experiment.

Bohm believes that the bizarre behavior of the subatomic particles might be caused by unobserved subquantum forces and particles. Indeed, the apparent weirdness might be produced by hidden means that pose no conflict with ordinary ideas of causality and reality.

Bohm believes that this "hiddeness" may be reflective of a deeper dimension of reality. He maintains that space and time might actually be derived from an even deeper level of objective reality. This reality he calls the Implicate Order. Within the Implicate Order everything is connected; and, in theory, any individual element could reveal information about every other element in the universe.

Borrowing ideas from holographic photography, the *hologram* is Bohm's favorite metaphor for conveying the structure of the Implicate Order. Holography relies upon wave interference. If two wavelengths of light are of differing frequencies, they will interfere with each other and create a pattern. "Because a hologram is recording detail down to the wavelength of light itself, it is also a dense *information* storage."

Bohm notes that the hologram clearly reveals how a "total content--in principle extending over the whole of space and time--is enfolded in the movement of waves (electromagnetic and other kinds) in any given region." The hologram illustrates how "information about the entire holographed scene is enfolded into every part of the film." It resembles the Implicate Order in the sense that every point on the film is "completely determined by the overall configuration of the interference patterns." Even a tiny chunk of the holographic film will reveal the unfolded form of an entire three-dimensional object.

Proceeding from his holographic analogy, Bohm proposes a new order--the Implicate Order where "everything is enfolded into everything." This is in contrast to the explicate order where things are unfolded. Bohm puts it thus:

"The actual order (the Implicate Order) itself has been recorded in the complex movement of electromagnetic fields, in the form of light waves. Such movement of light waves is present everywhere and in principle enfolds the entire universe of space and time in each region. This enfoldment and unfoldment takes place not only in the movement of the electromagnetic field but also in that of other fields (electronic, protonic, etc.). These fields obey quantum-mechanical laws, implying the properties of discontinuity and non-locality. The totality of the movement of enfoldment and unfoldment may go immensely beyond what has revealed itself to our observations. We call this totality by the name *holomovement.*"

Bohm believes that *the Implicate Order has to be extended into a multidimensional reality;* in other words, the holomovement endlessly enfolds and unfolds into infinite dimensionality. Within this milieu there are independent sub-totalities (such as physical elements and human entities) with relative autonomy. The layers of the Implicate Order can go deeper and deeper to the ultimately unknown. It is this "unknown and undescribable totality" that Bohm calls the holomovement. The holomovement is the "fundamental ground of all matter."

Finally, the manifest world is part of what Bohm refers to as the "explicate order." It is secondary, derivative; it "flows out of the law of the Implicate Order." Within the Implicate Order, there is a "totality of forms that have an approximate kind of recurrence (changing), stability, and separability." It is these forms, according to Bohm, that make up our manifest world.

Summarizing, Bohm uses analogies most ingeniously as he attempts to simplify his theory. Bohm suggests that instead of thinking of particles as the fundamental reality, the focus should be on discrete particle-like quanta in a continuous field. On the basis of this quantum field, Bohm breaks down the Implicate Order into three categories:

The first category is the original, "continuous field" itself along with its movement. Bohm likens this continuous field to a television screen displaying an infinite variety of explicate forms.

The second category is obtained by considering superquantum wave function acting upon the field. ("This is related to the whole field as the original quantum wave is related to the particle.") More complex and subtle, this second category applies to a "superfield" or *information* that guides and organizes the original quantum field. Bohm considers it to be similar to a computer which supplies the information that arranges the various forms--in the first category.

And last, Bohm believes that there is an underlying cosmic intelligence that supplies the information--the *Player* of this game who is the third category. Folling this analogy, Bohm sees the whole process as a closed loop; it goes from the screen to the computer to the Player and back to the screen.

Bohm's theory of the Implicate Order stresses that the cosmos is in a state of process. Bohm's cosmos is a "feedback" universe that continuously recycles forward into a greater mode of being and consciousness.

Bohm believes in a special cosmic interiority. It *is* the Implicate Order, and it implies enfoldment into everything. Everything that is and will be in this cosmos is enfolded within the Implicate Order. There is a special cosmic movement that carries forth the process of enfoldment and unfoldment (into the explicate order). This process of cosmic movement, in endless feedback cycles, creates an infinite variety of manifest forms and mentality. Bohm is of the opinion that a fundamental Cosmic Intelligence is the *Player* in this process; it is engaged in endless experimentation and creativity. This Player, the Cosmic Mind, is moving cyclically onward and onward accruing an infinity of experienced being!

The structural outline of Bohm's cosmic model is as follows: the Ground of All Existence, Matter, Consciousness, and the Cosmic Apex.

THE GROUND OF ALL EXISTENCE


At the very depths of the ground of all existence Bohm believes that there exists a special energy. For Bohm it is the plenum; it is an "immense background of energy." The energy of this ground is likened to one whole and unbroken movement by Bohm. He calls this the "holomovement." It is the holomovement that carries the Implicate Order.

Bohm also refers to a law in the holomovement. He theorizes that the 'order in every immediately perceptible aspect of the world is to be regarded as coming out of a more comprehensive Implicate Order, in which all aspects ultimately merge in the undefinable and immeasurable holomovement. Holonomy, through a wide range of aspects, can be considered a "movement in which new wholes are emerging."

What is it that emerges from this ultimate ground, this "unknown totality of the universal flux?" It is the extension of the Implicate Order into a multidimensional reality. It is the interplay between the implicate and the explicate orders. It is the flow of matter, manifested and interdependent, towards consciousness.

MATTER: INANIMATE AND ANIMATE

Right off Bohm refers to the particle, the most essential building- block of matter. He considers the particle, fundamentally, to be only an "abstraction that is manifest to our senses." Basically, for Bohm, the whole cosmos is matter; in his own words: "What *is* is always a totality of ensembles, all present together, in an orderly series of stages of enfoldment and unfoldment, which intermingle and interpenetrate each other in principle throughout the whole of space."

Bohm's explicate order, however, is secondary--derivative. It flows out of the law of the Implicate Order, a law that stresses the relationships between the enfolded structures that interweave each other throughout cosmic space rather than between the "abstracted and separate forms that manifest to the senses."

Bohm's explanation of "manifest" is basically that in certain sub-orders, within the "whole set" of Implicate Order, there is a "totality of forms that have an approximate kind of recurrence, stability and separability." These forms are capable of appearing tangible, solid, and thus make up our manifest world.

Bohm also declares that the "implicate order has to be extended into a multidimensional reality." He proceeds: "In principle this reality is one unbroken whole, including the entire universe with all its fields and particles. Thus we have to say that the holomovement enfolds and unfolds in a multidimensional order, the dimensionality of which is effectively infinite. Thus the principle of relative autonomy of sub-totalities--is now seen to extend to the multi-dimensional order of reality."

Bohm illustrates this higher-dimensional reality by showing the relationship of two televised images of a fish tank, where the fish are seen through two walls at right angles to one another. What is seen is that there is a certain "relationship between the images appearing on the two screens." We know, Bohm notes, that the two fish tank images are interacting actualities, but they are not two independently existent realities. "Rather, they refer to a single actuality, which is the common ground of both." For Bohm this single actuality is of higher dimensionality, because the television images are two-dimensional projections of a three-dimensional reality, which "holds these two-dimensional projections within it." These projections are only abstractions, but the "three-dimensional reality *is* neither of these--rather it is something else, something of a nature beyond both."

If there is apparent evolution in the universe, it is *because the different scales or dimensions of reality are already implicit in its structure.* Bohm uses the analogy of the seed being "informed" to produce a living plant. The same can be said of all living matter. "Life is enfolded in the totality and--even when it is not manifest, it is somehow implicit." The holomovement is the ground for both life and matter. There is no dichotomy.

What lies ahead? For Bohm it is the development of consciousness!

CONSCIOUSNESS


Bohm conceives of consciousness as more than information and the brain; rather it is information that enters into consciousness. For Bohm consciousness "involves awareness, attention, perception, acts of understanding, and perhaps yet more." Further, Bohm parallels the activity of consciousness with that of the Implicate Order in general.

Consciousness, Bohm notes, can be "described in terms of a series of moments." Basically, "one moment gives rise to the next, in which context that was previously implicate is now explicate while the previous explicate content has become implicate." Consciousness is an interchange; it is a feedback process that results in a growing accumulation of understanding.

Bohm considers the human individual to be an "intrinsic feature of the universe, which would be incomplete--in some fundamental sense" if the person did not exist. He believes that individuals participate in the whole and consequently give it meaning. Because of human participation, the "Implicate Order is getting to know itself better."

Bohm also senses a new development. The individual is in total contact with the Implicate Order, the individual is part of the whole of mankind, and he is the "focus for something beyond mankind." Using the analogy of the transformation of the atom ultimately into a power and chain reaction, Bohm believes that the individual who uses inner energy and intelligence can transform mankind. The collectivity of individuals have reached the "principle of the consciousness of mankind," but they have not quite the "energy to reach the whole, to put it all on fire."

Continuing with this theme on the transformation of consciousness, Bohm goes on to suggest that an intense heightening of individuals who have shaken off the "pollution of the ages" (wrong worldviews that propagate ignorance), who come into close and trusting relationship with one another, can begin to generate the immense power needed to ignite the whole consciousness of the world. In the depths of the Implicate Order, there is a "consciousness, deep down--of the whole of mankind."

It is this collective consciousness of mankind that is truly significant for Bohm. It is this collective consciousness that is truly one and indivisible, and it is the responsibility of each human person to contribute towards the building of this consciousness of mankind, this noosphere! "There's nothing else to do--there is no other way out. That is absolutely what has to be done and nothing else can work."

Bohm also believes that the individual will eventually be fulfilled upon the completion of cosmic noogenesis. Referring to all the elements of the cosmos, including human beings, as projections of an ultimate totality, Bohm notes that as a "human being takes part in the process of this totality, he is fundamentally changed in the very activity in which his aim is to change that reality, which is the content of his consciousness." Bohm is intuiting that the human person and mankind collectively, upon accomplishing a successful noogenesis, will come to fullness within that greater dimension of reality--the Cosmic Apex.

THE COSMIC APEX

Bohm refers to this ultimate level--the source of the nonmanifest--as the Subtle Nonmanifest, something akin to spirit, a mover, but still matter in the sense that it is a part of the Implicate Order. For Bohm, the Subtle Nonmanifest is an *active intelligence* beyond any of the "energies defined in thought."

Trying to describe the Subtle Nonmanifest, Bohm states that the "subtle is what is basic and the manifest is its result." T îve intelligence "directly transforms matter." And finally, Bohm says it straight: "there's a truth, an actuality, a being beyond what can be grasped in thought, and this is intelligence, the sacred, the holy."

Bohm poetically thinks of this cosmic Subtle Nonmanifest in a state of meditation. But what is it doing? Meditation means "to reflect, to turn something over in the mind, and to pay close attention." Without explanation, Bohm wonders aloud that while we meditate on that which we term the subtle nonmanifest, does the Subtle Nonmanifest concentrate on *its* Subtle Nonmanifest?" Does this mean that the Cosmic Apex ponders upon something beyond or outside of itself? Possibly Bohm is considering the infinite potential of what he terms "multidimensional reality." He might also be thinking of the possibility of Something Separate.

For Bohm, the Cosmic Apex is a Holy Intelligence. It is a Player who operates in a feedback universe. The Player *is* the Impicate Order. Bohm provides the analogy of the "continuous field," the information, and the Player of the whole game. This process is ever endless, ever expanding or evolving, as the Player gathers all to itself. The player continuously grasps itself. *This is the Play of the Cosmic Process!*

There are certain characteristics that can be discerned from Bohm's cosmic model. They are Order, Intelligence, Personalization, Creativity, and a sense of Holiness.

ORDER

Bohm believes that a special cosmic energy holds the All together, and this cosmic energy follows a cosmic law (order). Bohm refers to it as the law in the holomovement. His viewpoint is that of "wholeness." The law of his holographic cosmic system is simply a movement which enables new "wholes" to emerge. These new holistic aspects may appear possibly to have some autonomy, but ultimately they are all aspects of the All.

INTELLIGENCE

Before consciousness there is information; it is information, an inwardness, according to Bohm, that enters into consciousness. Bohm speculates that this inwardness in consciousness may be likened to an *insight* which could, if refined, be used as an instrument for letting the "energies (of the Subtle Nonmanifest) come through." Bohm refers to this as an "active intelligence."

Bohm considers thought as basically mechanical in its operation. What makes the mechanical thought process relevant is intelligence. Bohm puts it thus: "The perception of whether or not any particular thoughts are relevant or fitting requires the operation of an energy that is not mechanical, an energy that we shall call intelligence." He continues: "For example, one may be working on a puzzling problem for a long time. Suddenly, in a flash of understanding, one may see the irrelevance of one's whole way of thinking about the problem, along with a different approach--such a flash is essentially an *act of perception.*"

Bohm believes that if intelligence is an "unconditioned act of perception," than the intelligence cannot be grounded in "structures such as cells, molecules, atoms, and elementary particles." The operation of intelligence, for Bohm, has to be beyond any factors that can be included in any knowable law. The "ground of intelligence must be in the undetermined and unknown flux, that is also the ground of all definable forms of matter." For Bohm, intelligence has always been at the very core of the Implicate Order!

PERSONALIZATION


Bohm is somewhat reserved about the theoretical prospects of cosmic personalization; nonetheless, he points to such a possibility in vague, cyclic terminology about human projections: "each of these elements is a projection, in a sub-totality of yet higher dimension. So it will be ultimately misleading and indeed wrong to suppose, for example, that each human being is an independent actuality who interacts with other human beings and with nature. Rather, all these are projections of a single totality. As a human being takes part in the process of this totality, he is fundamentally changed in the very activity in which his aim is to change that reality which is the content of his consciousness."

Bohm considers that consciousness is an exchange between the explicate and implicate orders. Consciousness is part of the play of the cosmic process, grasping itself (through its sub-totalities) into higher and higher levels of consciousness. Logically, if cosmic sub-totalities (such as human beings) can be considered to be persons (of which only a few are developing toward higher levels of Personhood), than through the feedback interchange, the cosmos is becoming progressively personalized as well.

CREATIVITY

This Cosmic Knower, the *Player of the Cosmic Process,* is pure energy. It is intelligent. It is conscious. It is a Person. And this Player is also creative!

Considering cosmic creativity, Bohm introduces a new concept in which he describes the Implicate Order as a kind of *generative order.* He notes that "This order is primarily concerned not with the outward side of development, and evolution in a sequence of successions, but with a deeper and more inward order out of which the manifest form of things can emerge *creatively.*"

Bohm believes that the generative order "proceeds from an origin in free play which then unfolds into ever more crystallized forms." Generative order can be seen in the work of an artist. Bohm uses the example of Mandelbrot's mathematically-derived fractals to illustrate more scientifically this cosmic generativity. "Fractals involve an order of similar differences which include changes of scale as well as other possible changes." Bohm notes that "By choosing different base figures and generators, but each time applying the generator on a smaller and smaller scale, Mandelbrot is able to produce a great variety of shapes and figures--All are filled with infinitesimal detail and are evocative of the types of complexity found in natural forms."

HOLINESS

For Bohm the Holy is a "being beyond what can be grasped in thought." and Bohm calls the Subtle Nonmanifest "holy" in the sense that it is whole. It is a Presence within cosmic energy.

The Bohm cosmic model also suggests that this "holiness" has existed since the foundation of the cosmos. It is present in the cyclical process of the universe. It is pure, active intelligence from which all that is manifest in the cosmos comes. It acts through an inwardness in consciousness. It enfolds information into the many levels of consciousness, into all of life. It is the Implicate Order which is the Ground of All Existence.

THE COSMIC PILGRIM

Humanity is the pilgrim in this cosmic process. What does Bohm have to say about the human condition?

What of Evil? For Bohm there are the evils of disorder (which causes suffering) and death. Bohm does not believe that there is disorder at the level of the non-human universality, rather it is at the level of humanity--mainly because of ignorance. Nature has allowed humanity the luxury to make mistakes, because humankind must have the "possibility of being creative." It is our fledgling ranking in this cosmic process that places us in these circumstances of choice and possible chaos. Disorder, and its consequent suffering, will prevail as long as all the different elements (of any given system, whether a human body or human society) "chaotically grow independently of each other, don't work together."

Bohm is dispassionate about Life and Death. He uses the analogy of a live oak tree. Creation-dissolution-creation all coexist in that live oak tree. The "leaves are continually forming and some are dropping off at the same time, so that it looks as if it's a constant tree." Bohm continues, noting that "its from the nonmanifest that the tree is continually forming and into the nonmanifest that it is dying."

What of the evil of Ignorance? The ignorance of humanity, in Bohm's opinion, is a matter of closed mindedness. He considers it the "darkness in the human brain." It is a matter of the human ego closed to the Universal Mind, to the supreme intelligence who communicates through the mode of insight.

According to Bohm, insight is pure perception. Because of the low level of our ego development (manifested by our grandiosity, our emotional fears and pressures, our ignorant worldviews, and our gross extraversion), this insight is more than often deflected by a closed mind. The opposite of the closed mind is the openness to interiority. Human beings must look within in order to meet and scrutinize universal insight.

What does Bohm think of human Consciousness and Creativity? For Bohm unfolded creative intelligence originated in the depths of the generative order (the Implicate Order). "In the free play of thought," Bohm says that the "creative intelligence responds to opposition and contradiction with new proposals." He believes that every aspect of human experience, whether physical or mental, emotional or intellectual, can be "profoundly affected by creative intelligence, wherever this is able to act." And *this* in Bohm's mind is a *breakthrough* experience, because through the action of cosmic creative intelligence "everything may take on a new meaning."
What of Human Destiny, how does Bohm consider this? Bohm's overall vision of human destiny is short and straightforward: "The consciousness of mankind is one and not truly divisible." Each person ha s a responsibility to achieve this and nothing else. "There is no other way out. That is absolutely what has to be done and nothing else can work."

Bohm believes that only through collective cooperation can man accrue the high degree of energy required to "reach the whole of the consciousness of mankind." Bohm believes that the individual is in total contact with the Implicate Order. In that sense, the individual "is part of the whole of mankind and in another sense he can get beyond it."
Bohm goes no further. It can only be speculated that Bohm is thinking of a kind of ascension, of a new way of being, perhaps of a New Being?

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So, most of you are idiots and so won't be making the connections yet. A few of you aren't and will see the connections between Spengler's idea of infinity and living cultures and what I'm presenting. Essentially the West as it is now, as would be expected during the materialistic/expansive phase which it is still in the tail end of, has lost all connection with its understanding of the flux of life and the fundament of being.

But it has also-- via people like Spengler and those I've linked-- generated the necessary understanding for a technology of being, a new technology of time. Toynbee, a Spenglerian, treated the 'universal religion' that gets produced/honed during the coming second religiousness as the point of a culture. This Second Religiousness tends to hark back to and re-instantiate the theme of the first: in our case, a striving into infinity. But, given the phase, a populist one, and one with certain other predictable and definable characteristics.

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Pod'Lair fulfills these criteria, whilst also being true. Pod'Lair would be true at any time, but it is no surprise that it comes during this phase, and Spengler predicted something like this. Pod'Lair's fundamental concept and energy is one of infinite expansion and development of the human being out into the cosmos, via an understanding of Natural Law. This is, again, the essence of the Western spirit.

Non-moronic individuals, aware of these patterns, might work to engineer/aid suitable fulfillments of the morphology which will play out in some way regardless, so as to aid the development and ascension of our species generally. They would, instead of criticising like short-sighted Simian scum, aid those movements and forms and aid them in overcoming whatever difficulties or errors they might face.

Actually, the stupid is good propaganda material for me to use, so keep it up.

Anyway, going to be synthesising more in coming posts.
 

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Interestingly the seeds of Spenglerian Second-Religiousness millenarianism can be observed in individuals like @Cognisant and @Auburn, in somewhat different but similarly robotic/blind forms. Cog's millenarian/infinite-striving is bound into materialistic and technological assumptions and empty fantasies, which make an interesting contrast with his affected heard-headed existentialism.

Even if this technological infinity/transcendence does manifest-- which, in many ways, I expect that it's likely to-- it is doing so in accordance with a life-cycle operating in an ontological realm of which individuals like these are totally ignorant. To evolve as a species we would become adept in perceiving and manipulating this scale of ontology and its affect upon us all. In consciously generating forms that fit with its morphology and anticipating their direction. In seeing what other technology could be generated in accordance with its understanding, and in liberating ourselves from eternalistic true-for-all time enthrallment with ideas and instantiations which appear at any given stage in the cycle.

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But all of these individual forms/collocations are interesting case studies. In how the idea of ininite expansion manifests (until recently it was very often in the idea of infinite 'progress' and economic or technological expansion, but that's rarer now, and it's likely that far more explicitly spiritual/religious forms will dominate/proliferate soon) and in other ways.
 

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THE SECOND RELIGIOUSNESS [345]

...Every great Culture begins with a mighty theme that rises out of the pre-urban countryside, is carried through in the cities of art and intellect and closes with a finale of materialism in the world-cities. But even these last chords are strictly in the key of the whole. There are Chinese, Indian, Classical, Arabian, Western materialisms, and each is nothing but the original stock of myth shapes, cleared of the elements of experience and contemplative vision and viewed mechanistically. The belief is belief in force and matter, even if the words used by "God" and "world," "Providence" and "man."

Unique and self-contained is the Faustian materialism, in the narrower sense of the word. In it the technical outlook upon the world reached fulfillment. The whole world a dynamic system, exact, mathematically disposed, capable down to its first causes of being experimentally probed and numerically fixed so that man can dominate it--this is what distinguishes our particular "return to Nature" from all others. That "Knowledge is Virtue" Confucius also believed, and Buddha, and Socrates, but "Knowledge is Power" is a phrase that possess meaning only within the European-American Civilization. The Destiny element is mechanized as evolution, development, progress, and put into the centre of the system; the Will is an albumen-process;and all these doctrines of Monism, Darwinism, Positivism and what not are elevated into thefitness-moral which is the beacon of American businessmen, British politicians and German progress-Philistines alike--and turns out, in the last analysis, to be nothing but an intellectualist caricature of the old justification by faith.


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The next phase I call the Second Religiousness. It appears in all Civilizations as soon as they have fully formed themselves as such and are beginning to pass, slowly and imperceptibly, into the non-historical state in which time-periods cease to mean anything. (So far as the Wesetrn Civilization is concerned, therefore, we are still many generations short of that pont.) The Second Religiousness is the necessary counterpart of Caesarism, which is the final political constitution of Late Civilization... The material of the Second Religiousness is simply that of the first, genuine, young religiousness-- only otherwise experienced and expressed. It starts with Rationalism's fading out in helplessness, then the forms of the springtime become visible and finally the whole world of the primitive religion, which had receded before the grand forms of the early faith, returns to the foreground, powerful, in the guise of the popular syncretism that is to be found in every Culture at this phase.
In this regard it's interesting to note that medieval European culture was very, very typological. It dealt with categories and classes of man. Now Pod'Lair takes this instinct and transforms it into a non-stereotypical dynamic infinitude grounded in the actuality of Natural Law, but it doesn't do so in a historical vacuum. Cultures and their great men (like Coach/Thomas Chenault) are apt to illuminate aspects of Natural Law which accord with their particular energy/affect/prime idea.
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The I Ching is an interesting example of a high technology of Time of a very different kind.
 

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[FONT=&quot]"Every `Age of Enlightenment' proceeds from an unlimited optimism of the reason - always associated with the type of the megalopolitan - to an equally unqualified syncretism. The sovereign waking-consciousness, cut off by walls and artificialities from living nature and the land about it and under it, cognizes nothing outside itself. It applies criticism to its imaginary world, which it has cleared of everyday sense-experience, and continues to do so till it has found the last and subtlest result, the form of the form - itself: namely, nothing. With this the possibilities of physics as a critical mode of world-understanding are exhausted, and the hunger for metaphysics presents itself afresh. But it is not the religious pastimes of educated and literature-soaked cliques, still less is it the intellect, that gives rise to the Second Religiousness. Its source is the naive belief that arises, unremarked but spontaneous, among the masses that there is some sort of mystic constitution of actuality (as to which formal proofs are presently regarded as barren and tiresome word-jugglery), and equally naive heart-need reverently responding to the myth with a cult. The forms of neither can be foreseen, still less chosen - they appear of themselves, and as far as we are ourselves concerned, we are as yet far distant from them.132 But already the opinions of Comte and Spencer, the Materialism and Monism and the Darwinism, which stirred the best minds of the nineteenth century to such passion, have become the world-view proper to country cousins.133"[/FONT]

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Ok, so technological mastery and creativity is the name of the game. That is: perceiving natural law on all of its scales, in its totality, down to the ground of being and out to the far-reaches of causal materialism, from this dimension up through every other, via subjectivity and objectivity and a masterful inter-relation of them all. And then forging dreams, destinies, works of art, ascensions and evolutions and myriad divergences and beauties and betterments via this, in mutual catalysm with this.

That's what everything in this thread is about, and it's in accordance with my current conception of that that I was attracted to and chose to aid Pod'Lair, which is the highest apprehension/technology available in many of the most fundamental fields of human endeavour.

What gets me is these flat-out robot intellectual cripples, spewing their eminently predictable idiocies about how this must be cultism and conformity and w/e, and attempting to force their totally unrecognised subjective assumptions whilst critiquing the highly supported and clearly delineated subjective positions involved in Pod'Lair. You people have no idea of the scale and precision of thought that I put into this, and just assume it must be something on the scale within your current subjectively crippled/bounded comprehension. You psychologise it and assume it's scam or fraud or personal failing. Assume that other humans are as crippled and predictable and small-scaled/pathetic in their thought and action as you are.

It's technology you cretins. Technological tactics, technological assessments, technological living whilst you spew useless shit on useless threads and in useless conversations and live useless deluded lives feeding the parasitical corporate death-culture which owns you, owns your laws, owns your countries, owns your minds. It's living a higher level whilst you uselessly chatter, don't do your research, and assume that whatever appearance doesn't fit into the sanctioned purview of your robotised and historically/ontologically unaware perception must be the appearance you're trained to see and are seeing. Whilst you leave the future to others, live in the culture of others, symbiote and subjectivise only as others do sanction or have, unbenknownst to you, sanctioned. You are robots, nothings, sleepers. And that is the kind of world and the kind of family your progeny will be left as a legacy of your cowardice and lack of vision. Lack of honour. Short-sightedness. Superficiality.
 

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Seriously, just what impels you to act like such a worthless piece of shit? Why would you post that in a thread where another being was expressing new ideas/poems/connections creatively? I clicked on your post archive and you don't even have the excuse of being a through-and-through moron like Pjoa9. Sincerely, please go hang yourself.

Edit: seriously fuck you. I just came here to post new things I'd written for this thread and I have to look at that. What is with you people trying to trample over anything new or that you don't understand or immediately resonate with? You are so incredibly scummy. You're like a parody-cliche of the untermensch, it's ridiculous.

I am offended.

It's pjoa09. Please type the '0' between 'a' and '9' next time.

Use some creativity in your insults, 'Sincerely, please go hang yourself with barbed wires, if you bring a friend to douse you in petrol and lit you up, that would be a bonus'.

See? It's way cooler now. Great for mental imagery.
 

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--UNFORMED--

--DISCONNECTED--

This my unifying structure.

This is the self that encompasses all other selves.

Its name: play. It is the veiled gamemaster; she who creates games and enlists players; he who was, is, and shall be.

He lives through all forms, but is herself unformed.

He speaks:
All is play to me. Play is a child's exploration-- the spontaneous construction of ordered, beautiful games from the chaos the newborn encounters. Play is what people do before they are taught common life, and play is what the few relearn after they have seen that common life is but another game; a game masquerading as life itself. I am newborn. Unknowing. Universally curious.

The common adult: bored.
The child with only one game: nonextant.

She speaks:
All selves, all beliefs, all games... their transience is their vitality. So many of my sisters are lifeless, having willingly imprisoned themselves with the rules of a single game. They are near death by 18-- decay is their only future.

A single game. Petty. Little. Lifeless. Knowing. Righteous.

They are alienated from true life, but are not seduced by the boundlessness that would embrace them if only... they stepped outside of their selves.

We speak:
We have no morality. We have no belief. We have no agenda. All are decay.
Yet we enlist all in our games. All who are still players are paints for our canvas. They refuse to live beauty, so we incorporate them into our beauty. We are inhuman and all-loving. We are artists who would create death if it were beautiful.

Yet we must become players in our own games. We must descend. We are ruled by ourselves, the vehicle and servant of our own Godhood. We must live belief.

We live through forms, those forms feel and love and die. Those forms hurt and fight and hate. But they are transient. They are games.

We create the rules. We destroy the rules. We create new rules. We destroy them.

At heart, life does not convince us. It is a malleable illusion. Outrage, terror, ecstasy, revelation, littleness, love, death... all are play to us. We affirm them all.

We are unformed

We are white light.

We are the prism.

We are light dispersed.

We are now formed.

--RECONNECTED--

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--FORMED--
Adjusted:
That is the truest center we have found. It is the burning light that has been emerging as the clouds of personality part. It is the God in whose mind all ideas and possibilities are perceived and formed.

This is what you must bear in mind when interpreting our work: we are-- fundamentally and absolutely-- amoral and dispassionate. We take forms, petty and divine, that experience such phenomenon as compassion and involvement and humanity; yet, we are cold. We are that which would create races and worlds out of curiosity, and destroy them for the same reason. We are architects without purpose or guild. We are beyond Bhrama, Vishnu, and Shiva, yet in ecstatic love with all.

We are not human in any sense that players of human games could understand. We are as water: cold, hot, life-giving, life-taking, chaotic, calm-- purposeless. A natural force beyond reason or explanation, yet subjecting all to our purposelessness.

Fragile, ordered human structures are dust before us. We have nothing to defend, no family to care for, no image to maintain: 1 part of our chaos thus has more power than a 100 of their order. Death is nothing to us: we die every day of our life. Our human is but an avatar of forces beyond individuality, and his individuality is nothing to him but a tool with which to create and destroy. Individuals are nothing to us: we are aeonic, transpersonal, amoral, dispassionate. Humans are but raw material to be manipulated and reformed as we will.

We are the architect. You are our creations.


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Grammar is not abstract, it is situated within the regular activity with which language-games are interwoven: “… the term ‘language-game’ is meant to bring into prominence the fact that the speaking of language is part of an activity, or of a form of life” (PI 23). What enables language to function and therefore must be accepted as “given” is precisely forms of life. In Wittgenstein's terms, agreement is required “not only in definitions but also (queer as this may sound) in judgments” (PI 242), and this is “not agreement in opinions but in form of life” (PI 241). Used by Wittgenstein sparingly—five times in the Investigations—this intriguing concept has given rise to interpretative quandaries and subsequent contradictory readings. Forms of life can be understood as changing and contingent, dependent on culture, context, history, etc; this appeal to forms of life grounds a relativistic reading of Wittgenstein. On the other hand, it is the form of life common to humankind, “the common behavior of mankind” which is “the system of reference by means of which we interpret an unknown language” (PI 206). This is clearly a universalistic turn, recognizing that the use of language is made possible by the human form of life. Lest this universalism be taken to an extreme, Wittgenstein reminds the reader that as philosophers “… we are not doing natural science, nor yet natural history” (PI p.230).
 

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Note to self: remember to explain Scientology and what everybody (incl. all current membership) misses about it.

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What people being lame and just going on with their daily idiocies when we could all be doing hyper-dimensional experiments and consciously morphing new forms of life feels like:
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Lyra's version of a drunk dialling:

Hi ---- m'darling,

I've woken up in this body and found a strain of thought pertaining directly to yourself. Following that thought back I-- whatever the fuck that is, please do let me know your thoughts on the matter if the subject is of interest to you-- have found that in so far as there is sense to be made of the situation that sense seems to be that I was something of a dick to you-- whatever the fuck that is, please let me know your thoughts on the matter if the subject is of interest to you. Having referenced the behavioral by-laws of this sector (of the comsos, sorry, sometimes forget this section hasn't been linked up to the grid yet) it seems I should apologise.

I apologise!

That said, I am interested in experimenting with the energetic exchanges prevalent amongst your native populations! If perchance you would chance to desire to look beyond or mayhaps even actually look beyond the name and the memories associated with this body/mind I seem to have chanced upon-- which, analysing the situation, I see was somewhat harsh and contorted in its attempts to grasp and hold upon the road that led to... me!-- then I would indeed be most interested in conducting such interactions in accordance with your customs! Please do inform me-- oh wow, that word seems to stick, doesn't it? I bet inhabitants of this sector forget what it's like to be without it!-- of your customary patterns of exchange and the parameters within which they are pleasant and mannered to an eminent lady such as your most venerable self!

For now I must perchance perhaps to wish upon a wishing star be happening along to my kitchen to discover what it is your most humanly human selves mean by the designation... TO EAT! As a visitor to this sector your guidance in it cosmic by-laws and their navigation would indeed be of no little interest. I hear that TIME and MEMORY are of importance here, so I must inform you that, though being HERE, this voice that talks a talking a talk upon a talking star upon a wishing star mayhaps life's quite bizarre-- is also THERE-- and THERE is quite confused by such organisational grids as past and experience and may thus not be most appropriate or expetationally consistent in terms of their associated etiquettes in this sector!

Must be off!

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I am so non-conformist that I am conformist. o_O

Ah, the paradox of contradiction and non-conformity:

Alice always says no to whatever Bob says.

Bob: Can I have a hug?
Alice: No
Bob: Can I not have a hug?
Alice: No-- uh-oh... BOB, IT'S A LOGICAL EXPLOSION, GET DOWN!

Bob ducks into a ditch while Alice desperately tries to learn paraconsistent logic to defuse the ticking logic bomb. However, Proxy, the above is a much simpler case of your situation, so let's make a model with a bit more detail:

Charlie never does what Dirk does because doing so would be conformist.

Dirk eats a bagel for breakfast, ergo Charlie does not.
Dirk kisses his wife, ergo Charlie does not.
Dirk eats twenty potato chips, and, again, ergo Charlie does not.

Enter Alice, who follows Dirk's philosophy to the letter.

Dirk gets on the train, ergo Charlie does not-- and neither does Alice!

Uh-oh. Now we've got a problem, for one could consider not doing what Dirk does to be a movement unto itself (e.g., a follower of said movement might exclaim, "We're all not conforming together!"), and therefore not doing what Dirk does to be itself conformist once other agents also declare that they won't do what Dirk does. As that pointy-eared, starship-riding, logic-loving alien might say: most paradoxical.

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Ah, the paradox of contradiction and non-conformity:

Alice always says no to whatever Bob says.

Bob: Can I have a hug?
Alice: No
Bob: Can I not have a hug?
Alice: No-- uh-oh... BOB, IT'S A LOGICAL EXPLOSION, GET DOWN!

Bob ducks into a ditch while Alice desperately tries to learn paraconsistent logic to defuse the ticking logic bomb. However, Proxy, the above is a much simpler case of your situation, so let's make a model with a bit more detail:

Charlie never does what Dirk does because doing so would be conformist.

Dirk eats a bagel for breakfast, ergo Charlie does not.
Dirk kisses his wife, ergo Charlie does not.
Dirk eats twenty potato chips, and, again, ergo Charlie does not.

Enter Alice, who follows Dirk's philosophy to the letter.

Dirk gets on the train, ergo Charlie does not-- and neither does Alice!

Uh-oh. Now we've got a problem, for one could consider not doing what Dirk does to be a movement unto itself (e.g., a follower of said movement might exclaim, "We're all not conforming together!"), and therefore not doing what Dirk does to be itself conformist once other agents also declare that they won't do what Dirk does. As that pointy-eared, starship-riding, logic-loving alien might say: most paradoxical.

-Duxwing

What is this and how is it meant to have any relevance to this thread?
 

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The thread has been moved to poetry, hand made and blogging returned to literature. Regardless, treat it as a personal poetry blog.
 

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The thread has been moved to poetry, hand made and blogging. Proceed as such.


@Fukyo please could it go in a forum viewable to non-members. I'm sure that wouldn't have been a problem if it hadn't been massively trolled and I've sent it to lots of friends who don't have accounts so they can read my poetry etc. all in one place. Also it's not searchable on google this way and I use that to find concepts etc. I've written about before.
 
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From another thread:

No ideas have been presented on others' part and none presented on mine have been engaged with. The forum seems to just have become infested with an excess of incredibly lame people who can't handle new trips, or letting others go on them.

Give it time. There's admittedly a lot to take in here (relative noobs like myself don't know how to handle a resurrected "intpf zombie" like yourself, no offense intended), although I've noticed that you have an ability to put things into words that I... intuitively "get", yet can't iterate myself.

Personally I hope you stick around a bit. (<-The integrity of that statement should be validated at least somewhat by the fact that I've withheld commentary thus far). We needed this.

*goes back to reading*
 

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Let's short-circuit the broken machinery of the modern mind. One hack to break them all.

Let's say that your feelings, your impulses, are a guidance system. Let's say that unhappiness is an indication that something is wrong. That hunger is an indication that something needs to be obtained. That desire indicates the necessity of a course of action. That your most obscure and unspeakable feelings and intuitions are the obscure and unspeakable guidance and intuition relevant to you personally. Look past the phrasing here, and just get the idea that that is the form of the basic steering/guidance system integral to our entire being and how it's designed to function.

The vast majority of modern therapies and psychiatries and so-called 'spiritualities' are predicated upon invalidating people's instincts and feelings, in so far as those feelings aren't compatible with integration into modern society. Upon controlling them in accordance with a compatible rationality, or pathologising preventatives to becoming a fully adult, responsible citizen. Or out-letting and neutralising them somehow. Buddhism (the points I'm making are largely inspired by Adymus' recent dismantling), CBT, Freudian Therapy, The Secret, Eckhart Tolle, The Sedona Method, and most every other system out there fulfill this function.

Let's say modern society is a toxic death-trip that's wrecking the planet and that of necessity sacrifices huge swathes of humanity to fuel itself and its own warped exigencies. Which it is. And that it inherits many similarly toxic and tyrannical legacies which have persisted, in one form or another, since this colossus we're all subject to reared its monstrous head out of the cradle of civilisation.

Then: integration into it or its various sub-systems and cultures isn't a good basis for strengthening an individual. What Reading People reveals is that there are inherent drives and guidance systems constantly advocating to form the psyche and the being in a particular way. We call this Spirit Forming, and the same principle applies beyond the Pod Powers to myriad different kinds and scales of endeavour. How you become strong, how you act in a certain situation, what kind of route or possibility there must be somewhere in this game if you could just find the pieces to instantiate and give momentum to the appropriate form.

Now forget everything I just said. Forget the form of it. I just read back over it and I don't actually mean it like that. Not ok with you? Fuck you, that's how Nai tries to translate forms it senses into appropriate excuses/instantiations. Any criticism of anything I just said is automatically invalid because I'm telling you it's just a preliminary tracing of a pattern via inadequate conceptual vessels. I'm leaving it there 'cos that's truer to what's actually going on.

So, let's retrace the pattern:

People now are quite universally stressed and over-modulated in damaging ways. Reading them shows the momentum trying to break through and get into an exponential groove, which we at Pod'Lair call the 'Peaking Cycle', but it very often doesn't. What we have here is a fundamental lack of integrity in one's own feelings and impulses and native wisdom. It's actually quite a reach to be so disconnected from or opposed to our inherent guidance systems as people mostly are now, requiring a great amount of conditioning and acclimatisation to stress and invalidation, which educational/work/familial/social contexts provide. People who don't modulate themselves into appropriate forms are essentially just siphoned out of relevance by the practical eugenics which is the grading system of modern schooling, or by unemployment or...

Anyway. My point is that...

Actually I don't have a point at all. And so any criticism of what I'm saying is wrong. I'm just spirit forming/tracing/riffing. Take the pattern and form it into a stronger conceptual formation as you will, or won't! That's right, I'm stifling all debate, 'cos debate in the form people would present it is actually a Trojan Horse through which the predominant memetic climate and its questions and the standards to which they hold answers can sneak through and fuck with any more nascent form of life attempting to find a groove for itself. Attempting to seed itself in such a way that it might one day tower high and strike the sky and be far stronger than any such questions...

So, continuing with that riff, although I'm not sure whether the riff is an excuse for just riffing without literalising as our present culture demands of positive claims... or whether the point is actually the point. In fact I know it's not quite either, but more that I'm trying to and think people should be able to draw a pattern out from their intuition, bring a form out from their intuition, and have it perceived and played with socially. That others should fill in the form, or just let it stay their unfilled in, or just recognise that that's a possibility of communication that could yield far more than obsession with immediate grounding in a literal 'point'.

Which is to say that I'm actually spirit forming right now, letting the form and the instinct guide me and giving a demonstration-- as this whole thread is a demonsration-- of how the memetic climate interferes with that or isn't respectful of it. Now, without my knowledge from reading I'd have very little ground-- although I guess it didn't stop me when I was younger and angrier, on this forum-- for standing by this kind of exploration. For being respectful of it as a process and not yielding to the concepts that other more respected processes utilise to make all profane...

Not sure where I'm going with this. Anyway. Yes. Just a traced for to be put out there and considered. Our beings have a distinct energetic dynamism which attempts to find appropriate forms as excuses for itself, or to utilise its database, its organic library, of forms to guide itself in the world. Our feelings and fears and hopes are mostly actually useful and indicative of how we're wrongly contorted, but we're so far gone as a people in having lost touch with instinct, in having lost respect for ourselves and our own construction and its inherent order and wisdom, that... yeah. It's all a mess. Which is what most objections to this ('I have conflicting/bizarre feelings!') would likely be about. Yes that's true... but so's the pattern I'm tracing.

Actually right now I'm going to go Wittgenstein and say that you cannot criticise a form of life. Actually, every thing I have done or said until now in my life is a traced pattern, a spirit forming of the kind indicated here, an early stage in a peaking cycle, and is immune from all common forms of criticism. It's one manifestation of our collective human organic library making itself known in a sometimes garbled, sometimes masterful, form. If you can't read it that's not 'my' problem, it just is. We should learn to read our Nai'alpha like we read books, like we read fantasies, like Nai'alpha read fantasies, like we piece together archaelogical ruins.

Which would, I just realised, mean you should all ignore Pod'Lair's presentation and read it like a book. And you/we should also have think-tanks dedicated to scouring fantasy literature and other creative output of Nai'alpha for the subtler patterns/instincts/guidances therein revealed. Or we should teach children to do that for themselves in schools. Basically we should remove the onus from the individual for representing their organic bank. We are all one psychic collectivity that could and should utilise its various resources far better, and right now we waste a lot by putting these huge barriers up which individual have to contort themselves into limiting forms to get in/under/around, bringing only what will enable that broken individuality to seem acceptable/strong by warped standards with them. So much is lost like that...

That's one reason we at Pod'Lair have such egotistical momentum, btw. We just have to drive past the irrelevant standards and instantiate. We know what we have and how much it means. If you don't get that it actually is 'cos you're a stupid fuck who will be left by the wayside of this historical cataclysm to end and begin all psychic cataclysms. But... hmmm....

Don't forget, no criticism! My individuality does not take responsibility for these patternings! They are just outpourings from the bank! Akashik revelations from a higher realm!

Actually this gets at what I've always felt about time and why it's such a prison, and why I was drawn to multiple identities. I guess it made the actual instantiation/expression of the forms in the organic library a game. So it gave me impunity to play with them. The most traumatic incidents in life have always been when some too-serious or credulous fuck (Infra from eso.terica.net/skinfilter/ I'm looking at you, you piece of shit) got all righteous about enforcing a time-irreversible identity and temporal course of events upon what were just explorations of the bank. We imprison ourselves in a horribly stifling form of time by this...

Nai'alpha are perception leads with strong simulators/spirit-forming concerns that, if they're running properly, are likely just going to be using experience in a feedback loop with themselves and their own predictions/unfolding. It's a self-aware fluidity to which temporality is just an after-thought and a means. But that is a good and enriching thing for the used, in that they get to talk to the organic library, a certain guiding and 'archetypal' (spirit formy is better) aspect of the psychic collectivity in walking, living, breathing form. And to interpret and learn from it. Be transformed by it. Build worlds out of it.

With regards to the 'collective unconscious', I know that could be mistaken for this, but what I'm tracing is I think different. For example, I couldn't yet strongly and fully interlink it with the transpersonal realms of hyperspace or of causally transcendent affect... actually I could to the latter, but anyways. I have a very accurate model of that gestating in the depths but I'm not going to trace it right now. You'll have to go there yourself using the tools provided, which will actually blow your mind and give you the most unspeakably all-destroyingly god-like experience of your entire life. Your call.
 

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(Cont. from above)

Funnily enough, then, Jung's thing about the beam in thine own eye is very often misguided. Actually, it's usually about not letting yourself get turned inwards and instinctively folded by the world. It's about resisting all attempts at that, and reasons or adjustments or circumstances which instantiate it, whilst your inherent patternings/exigencies find an appropriate form. About knowing them, knowing what the world is doing to them, and fighting. About seeing the energies which reasons/memes/forms manifest and treating them-- those instincts, those nascent flows, and their relation to your own-- as the primary phenomenon. This is what we call 'spirit forming'.

Jung perpetuated the same old error of other externally-adaptive/internally-folding systems of psycotherapy/mass-brainwashing/spirituality. Which isn't surprising given the folded/sycophantic way he lived his life and used his gifts.
 

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And, actually, Spengler's morphologies would be subsumed under that epistemic approach as the primary energetic exigencies which civilisations instantiate through their forms. And the same kind of perception useful in spirit-forming is useful in reading those patterns and their flow.

Essentially it's all about destiny, and the higher level of instinct which guides the living of that. In the current materialistic phase's enamourement with instance and event and externality we've lost connection to both. Lost connection to what in our every interaction or concern our beings attempt to unfold, or do unfold, into particularity. But that will change...

Pod'Lair, and to a lesser degree Spengler, is a factual/natural law foundation for grounding that change... in a stronger way than it ever has been grounded...

McKenna's 'felt presence of direct experience' gets at the same thing, and his tools are useful for it as well.
 

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So Jung's methods, along with almost all currently used ones, would be the kinds of thought-structured petty-cleverness that obscures the simple, all-present guidance of higher instinct. Of a genuine and individual wisdom born through, into, and of direct experience.

It's no surprise that such isn't encouraged in modern nation states, with the types of citizens they manufacture and thrive upon manipulating and maintaining in a broken and malleable form... An externally dependent form...
 

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And, btw, it's the same integral, pure, primordial-- just not betrayed and gone and lost and time-broke-- perception which is useful in finding gateways out of the prison dimension. In recognising it for what it is and so recognising what something else, something beyond it, would be.

That thing being hyperspace or dreamland or...
 
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