Attractiveness?

[Linsejko]

How many INTPs here would consider themselves attractive?

Seeming as we have a strong leaning toward geek/nerd members, I'm curious if there's any correlation between how attractive we are.

This is an odd thread, though... One can't help but seem vain to say one is attractive. So, for this thread, there is no ridiculing, and no assuming one is vain. Everything is to be taken at face value. There's also no need to be self-depricating, or to include jokes to try and make your blunt statement a little more acceptable.

Just be straightforward.

For instance; I am an attractive male. My biggest flaw is probably that I'm 5'9/5'10, which is on the short side of average. My hair is quite long, and sometimes it looks great--but sometimes it looks really messy.

.L

 

[Bird]

Is this INTP specific? Should I not vote..?

 

[Taniwha]

Somewhat unattractive.

I'm a female, 5'8 and a half in height, I wear square glasses to match my round face, my hair is short and I am stocky in build. I fight in the ring, looks are not a requirement. People often mistake me for being a male, not just on the street but even after sparring my opponents in the ring.

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

I look too Russian. Perhaps, I have Russian ancestry. My grandparents on both sides were orphans from the war. I should move to Russia! Not necessarily a bad thing. Jewish people try and set me up with their daughters, hilarious.

I don't think that there is a trend between cognitive functions and physical appearance. There is not really a trend with nerds and physical appearance either. The hideous, loud and obnoxious ones just tend to stick out and detrimentally characterise a subculture.

In response to the OP, if you don't provide sound evidence your claims are deemed inadmissible.

 

[The Gopher]

guess I'm the only vain guy here

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

guess I'm the only vain guy here

You're one sexy beast of a man!

Only if I swung that way. Wait! Experimenting couldn't hurt.

 

[Facepalm]

I look a lot like Andriy Shevchenko, except for the enormous nose:

Keep in mind that my nose is f-ed up despite being non-enormous, as it is somewhat short with quite a bulbous tip. Where does that place me in the poll?

 

[The Gopher]

You're one sexy beast of a man!

Only if I swung that way. Wait! Experimenting couldn't hurt.

uhhh no stay away.

btw someone said I look like this guy

Just a little younger though

 

[LPolaright]

I'm somewhat attractive, but it really doesn't matter to me.

I could go out to work with my waking-up hair,
and take a random jeans and/or shirt I find on the floor.

Attractiveness is irrelevant to me and is somewhat subjective although a lot of people have a common conception of what is "attractive". Basically because someone has a symmetrical body it would almost always would mean "attractive" - as long as he (the human being) is not a circle or an elliptic figure.

So - yeah, I'm somewhat symmetrical and I have common attributes to attractiveness. I'm not the kind of guy though that girls are falling for because of the "looks".

 

[The Gopher]

I'm somewhat attractive, but it really doesn't matter to me.

I could go out to work with my waking-up hair,
and take a random jeans and/or shirt I find on the floor.

Yeah I don't really care either I am just vain

So - yeah, I'm somewhat symmetrical and I have common attributes to attractiveness. I'm not the kind of guy though that girls are falling for because of the "looks".

well there is no reason to fall for me so it's really creepy and I wish they wouldn't do it.

 

[NeverSayMyName]

Most people (well, I mean girls.. because only their opinions matter, right?) say that I'm attractive. They usually say that I look 'innocent' or 'cute', which is funny because I don't feel that way at all.

Funnily enough, I don't pay much attention to it to be honest, I dislike fashion and all that crap.
I'm somewhat pale-ish, I have dark long-ish hair and dark eyebrows, so I guess that makes me different in a way. I don't think I look like a stereotypical nerd, which is something I'm very happy about. There are things that I hate about my looks... perhaps I even overreact a bit but I guess that's nothing unusual, girls do it all the time.

Like most INTPs, I don't think apperance is the most important thing. But I do think the way you look is still important to some extent.

 

[Bird]

I think this poll is about how you see
yourself. Not how other people see you.

 

[Linsejko]

No, quite the opposite. It is exactly about how other people see you--and alas, I can't help that some bias about how you see yourself will likely creep in, but... That's life. It isn't a perfect poll.

Evidence: I have been told by 2 women unsolicited this year that I am fantastically beautiful. I also asked my sister this summer when I saw her to confirm or deny. She said that I was, indeed, a very attractive male.

I have various other evidences from growing up, but this is just taking recent material into account.

Bird: Don't vote in the poll, but do share here.

Symmetry is an important characteristic of attractiveness, but it is not enough alone.

Girls do show initial interest in me because of my looks, but my obscureness and my general disinterest (I'm unbelievably picky in regards to women, and might find a woman every year or two that interests me) generally finish things before they start, which is fine by me.

.L

 

[Deridaburi]

Attractiveness is more than appearance, that is not the point of the thread however.

It doesn't seem possible to have an accurate perception of one's own attractiveness. One's answer would be directly affected by one's self esteem and self image.

Based on appearance, as objectively as I can be, I would have to say that I am attractive, (which conflicts with my self esteem and self image). However I do not (believe that I) have the personality traits that all females that I have met find attractive, at least that I know of. Which would be confidence, tact, and probably other traits that I don't know about.

Simply: From observation there seems to be a large gap between my physical attractiveness and the attractiveness of my personality. Apparently I am a "good friend though", very frustrating indeed.

It is what it is, whatever will be, will be.

 

[Bird]

Oh, well people tell me I'm attractive but I know they
only say this because they think I have low self-
esteem and for some reason they take it upon
themselves to try and bolster it even though I
know their words are lies.


Perception of self and others: perhaps I should put this in
the disbelief thread.


And I already voted. I'm sorry :x

But I voted incorrectly anyway. You should
deduct one from unattractive.


People ask me out on dates because they
think I'm easy. Not because I'm pretty or
have a nice personality.

 

[Fukyo]

I don't really know. I don't see myself as attractive.

I dunno, *shrug*, I don't like thinking about my appearance.

I voted "unattractive" btw

 

[Bird]

I've decided that any post I make here should be considered irrelevant
since beauty is perception anyway.


And fyi Proxy, I love the hard angles russian bone structure articulates.
Yummm.

 

[NeverSayMyName]

Girls do show initial interest in me because of my looks, but my obscureness and my general disinterest (I'm unbelievably picky in regards to women, and might find a woman every year or two that interests me) generally finish things before they start, which is fine by me.

Same here. I've rejected quite a few girls in the past... I was probably mean to them but oh well... that's life for ya!

I think this poll is about how you see
yourself. Not how other people see you.

Oh, sorry. Well, that would still be "Somewhat Attractive", or "Attractive". I know, I probably appear to be a pretentious douchebag by saying that, but what can I say? I'm happy with the way I look.
Still, my self-esteem is very low, and when someone tells me that I'm good looking, I usually take it as a sarcastic joke but oh well...

People ask me out on dates because they
think I'm easy. Not because I'm pretty or
have a nice personality.

How do you know THAT?

 

[Melkor]

Psh, out bird, out. We know you know you're a looker.

As for me, I am victim to several things...

Namely, a poor physique, dark circles beneath my eyes, pale skin, normally quite messy hair, a general lack of style or attention to personal detail, and the most unlucky proportions of androgyny know to man which just make me look silly overall.


I suppose, if I was a little more open minded, I could say it wouldn't be impossible for someone to find me attractive, I just imagine such people are incredibly scarce, and I've certainley never met any I believed where honest.

 

[Ermine]

I have my small quirks, but still overall attractive. But there are always those dark circles no matter what... But I constantly get compliments from my female peers, and the male peers who have the guts.

 

[Anthile]

I voted "unattractive" btw

 

[Fukyo]

GTFO

 

[Anthile]

GTFO

 

[Fukyo]

I am entitled to my opinion.

 

[LPolaright]

I am entitled to my opinion.

Unless you're a supermodel

 

[MacGuffin]

I am one of these three people:

HOW SHOULD I VOTE???

 

[Minuend]

I imagine Fukyo looks like that lady in the Adam's Family.

Appearance..... I have no idea. I'm quite certain I'm slightly unattractive or further down that scale. I think I just look odd, people seem to look at me weirdly at least.

Still, on a good day, I don't have a problem with my appearance.

 

[cheese]

The girl on the left is telling me to call her. That, or she's making some sort of comment on length.

SIZE DOESN'T MATTER, LADIES! Now you say it back to me. (Please.)

 

[Anthile]

I am entitled to my opinion.

If I didn't knew you better I'd say you just do this to get people to say you're pretty but I do know you better and I do know that this is not your intention. Jesus Christ, you even got a modeling contract! That's the closest thing to an objective "Yup, you're beautiful" you'll ever get. In this world, there are people who would kill to look like you. You're gorgeous. There, I said it. Happy now? You can quote me on that. Print it out, find a nice wooden frame and nail it to the wall.
Let's just move on, please, before the number of rolleyes approaches the critical mass.

 

[cheese]

I'd really like to see a picture of Fukyo. I'd heard of her legend before.

Please! I'll make a, uh, contract with you. We'll seal it with a sort of circular thing you put round your finger... Please.

 

[CoryJames]

I think that each person who votes should also post to say what they voted, include a picture, and get HONEST feedback on what others think about them, therefore to give that person a clear indication of how what they feel about themselves is matched by what others feel about them. (Not pick a picture of someone else and say I have been told I look like them, because this seems to be an exercise in the impractical, as that person could have just as easily attached a photo of themselves which would give a perfectly accurate representation of their appearance as opposed to a hearsay, somewhat accurate one)

I voted attractive, I chose that because I think I am, have been told I am by others, stand in front of a camera for a living, and am judged by corporate to be in the top ten male models of my district.

For those of you who have not seen my picture in my old avatar, you can see it on my profile page.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

I think somewhat attractive. I've had girls tell me I look cute a few times. But I hate the imperfections in my face, even though I'm probably the only one who notices them. One eye is a little bit lower than the other, one nostril is slightly bigger than the other... But I'm the only one who can see the imperfections apparently, except my dad. He said 'HOLY CRAP ONE EYE IS LIKE HALF A CENTIMETER LOWER THAN THE OTHER'. Later he told me exaggerated, but he did see it. :C :C

 

[Bird]

Psh, out bird, out. We know you know you're a looker.

I wish we were wild animals.

 

[Minuend]

I think that each person who votes should also post to say what they voted, include a picture, and get HONEST feedback on what others think about them, therefore to give that person a clear indication of how what they feel about themselves is matched by what others feel about them.

Oh yes, let's tell people how ugly they are, we didn't get enough of that in our teens.

Anyway, looks alone isn't enough to determine attractiveness.

 

[Lostwitheal]

It's a horrible cliché, but surely beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder.



Also, Minuend, agreed.

 

[CoryJames]

Oh yes, let's tell people how ugly they are, we didn't get enough of that in our teens.

Anyway, looks alone isn't enough to determine attractiveness.

I am almost certain that aesthetic attractiveness is what the OP had in mind when he created this survey.

Also, who is to say we would be telling them how ugly they are, maybe we would be telling them how attractive they are. I would not have made this suggestion had it not been for the fact that people were posting pictures of others and saying how they'd been told they resemble that person. It just seems silly to do that, when they could have simply posted a picture of themselves.

 

[typus]

^yes, it's almost impossible to think of any reason for people not wanting to post pictures of themselves.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

So when will someone begin?

 

[Minuend]

Oh, this is going to mess with my awkward radar

 

[Methuselah]

I was smokin' hot about 2-3 years ago. I'd get propositions fairly frequently, and people were always giving me stuff... extra shots of espresso, things on discount, etc. All the attention would annoy my then boyfriend/now fiance. Life got tough and I put on some weight, but I'd still say I'm somewhat attractive.

 

[Minuend]

^you're a girl? Or gay?

Always assumed you were a dude

 

[Methuselah]

^you're a girl? Or gay?

Always assumed you were a dude

Homo with notions of bisexuality.

 

[CoryJames]

I'd begin, as it was my suggestion, but that'd make me feel vain as I have already shown myself on photo thread and my avatar used to be me...

 

[NoID10ts]

FUGLY.

 

[Deleted member 1424]

*shrugs*

I'm attractive enough to suit my purposes and I get enough attention that I don't feel ugly. Honestly I find that I really don't care (though unfortunately that was not always the case ). I'd never use physical attractiveness for personal gain on principle, so there's really no use for an excess of it. Most of the attention I garner is rather noisome anyway. I don't really value physical attractiveness and, while flirtation is mildly diverting, receiving compliments feels awkward, and forcing the appropriate response is irritating. I cannot be attracted to someone without some sort of mental connection first, the type of connection which ends up eclipsing physical attractiveness anyway. I also find that people who repulse me mentally, also repulse me physically regardless of how 'attractive' they are considered.

As far as my utmost feminine aesthetic ideal goes, naturally I'm pretty far from mine; I'd need another 0.5-1 ft in height, longer fingers, a more androgynous figure, and a decade of extensive training in martial arts. There's a great deal of aesthetic value not only in physique, but in how people move; value in grace.

edit:
I've already been seen by everyone to whom I care to show myself, so no photo.

 

[CoryJames]

*shrugs*
I'd never use physical attractiveness for personal gain on principle, so there's really no use for an excess of it.

Physical attractiveness, unfortunately, affects personal gain in a passive manner regardless of whether or not one "tries" to use it. There have been many studies showing that more attractive people are: trusted more implicitly, thought to be "nicer" before people actually know them, rise to positions of authority faster, make more money, etc.

I also find that people who repulse me mentally, also repulse me physically regardless of how 'attractive' they are considered.

Completely valid. There was a very physically attractive girl who I made the mistake of hooking up with before really getting to know her. By the end of my third year at school with her I was actually physically repulsed when I saw her because of how unintelligent, annoying and melodramatic she was.

edit:
I've already been seen by everyone to whom I care to show myself, so no photo.

 

[Agent Intellect]

If this is purely on the feedback received from other people, I voted somewhat unattractive. Seeing as I've had no feedback at all (I can honestly say that I don't remember ever being given an assessment of my physical attractiveness from an impartial party) I don't know if that was fair.

I personally would not assess myself as being very attractive, from an "impartial" point of view. Much of it is on account of my own indifference: I dress like a slob, I only shave my face about once every month and a half, and even though I shower almost every day, I'm often too lazy to shampoo.

Negative things that I can't help, though, would be that I have bad skin (scarring on my face from both injury and acne). I used to be fat, but I ended up losing a shit load of weight about 4-5 years ago, but I'm left with more skin than I need. I have a tooth missing (upper right canine) and one of my front teeth is slightly crooked.

Positive things: I'm not bald, in fact my hair is quite thick, yet I don't have an excessive amount of body hair; my facial bone structure isn't terrible (just the skin over top of it); I'm tall (six foot two or 1.8~ meters); I'm not fat anymore (180 pounds or 81~ kg last I checked).

 

[Deleted member 1424]

Physical attractiveness, unfortunately, affects personal gain in a passive manner regardless of whether or not one "tries" to use it. There have been many studies showing that more attractive people are: trusted more implicitly, thought to be "nicer" before people actually know them, rise to positions of authority faster, make more money, etc.

and rotund crusty white old men are the most trusted politicians and pundits.

There are all sorts of effects that come with physical attractiveness, negative ones as well. I don't doubt the existence of these societal biases, however I doubt these biases are all positive and that they are exclusive from other factors like age, sex, race, bearing, financial status, etc.

I personally, would rather place my stock into other things, and let the rest of my society waste away obsessed with Hollywood, glamor, fad diets and fashion. We'd all be better off if we cared a little less about physical attractiveness and valued more useful things in its stead.


Now I have a certain quandary. How does physical attractiveness and attentiveness (ie how much effort/time/stock/thought a person puts in their physical appearance) correlate with psychological ills?

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Eh, do you see ladies fighting to lay me in bed? Ok then.

 

[Methuselah]

Now I have a certain quandary. How does physical attractiveness and attentiveness (ie how much effort/time/stock/thought a person puts in their physical appearance) correlate with psychological ills?

Eh, psyc docs look for unkempt appearances as an indication that a person may not be well/may not be coping with their life successfully.

I see maintaining one's appearance as part of being a whole, balanced person. When I let any part of my life (personal appearance, cleanliness of my home, need for exercise, need for success, need for friends, etc.) get too far out of balance, I feel worse for it.