'Aliens, UFO's & Spirituality'

[Sinny91]

At the risk of being shot down, mocked or just ignored..

This is my main field of interest, there's not much that I don't know in regards to this subject in comparison to the laymen...

One day I intend to perhaps write a book on the subject, but I'm still a decade off having all the information I know I need.. That might sound ridiculous in comparison to what I just wrote prior, but there are agents out there holding some of this information close to their chest.

Feel free to ask me anything; or jump on board with your own views, I can eat info on this topic all day long; in the mean time I will open with:

'We are in a symbiotic relationship with an intelligence that disguises it's self as an extra-terrestrial invasion so as not to alarm us' - Terrence McKenna

 

[TheManBeyond]

i'm an alien are you interested in exploring my anatomy for the sake of progress?

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

there are agents out there

Well this is the craziest thing I've heard/read so far today. Don't take it personally though, I just woke up not that long ago so there aren't many contenders

What exactly are your views on aliens and UFOs and how do they relate to spirituality?

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

I love it, you seem to recognise your niche speciality and so far don't invade on others.

What are some of the most convincing resources out there you'd link to persuade me of something? Or maybe you think it's not as simple as convincing or finding reliable evidence?

I think it's more aimed at studying your approach and personality with the model tinfoil behaviour rather than the subject itself, but it's on topic and harmless in every way.

 

[Sinny91]

By 'agents' I meant in terms of social science.. I was considering explaining that in the OP, but the term in the sense that you interpreted it also applies, so I didn't bother.

I hold the same view as Terrance McKenna.

'Aliens' & UFO's relate to spiritual matters in everyway possible... Influencing spirituality since the dawn of man, first referenced in the Sumerian texts, and most religious teaching's throughout the ages...

 

[TheManBeyond]

i also believe in aliens sinny. i remember once i was partying with some friends of mine, 2009 perhaps and i swear i saw a really quick flash moving through the inmense universe in the dark sky near a lonely town pub. i'm not even joking, i remember one of my friends said it could have been a shooting star, but i can't quite tell how the movement was. if straight or decaying and speeding or similars.
i remember i was kinda shocked.
i also remember one day when i was younger that i was in the backyard of my grandomther house and there were mango trees and stuff and it was raining and there were thunders and stuff. so i got the main front door and i faked a kamehameha. but the joke was on me because a fucking thunder impacted in that precise moment like 30 meters away and in front of me, when i said the final HAAAAAA and baaaam i remember my mom came and hang me from my ear and took me back, but all of a sudden and reflected by my tears i saw a weird figure coming out of the intense light, it was a matter of miliseconds, just before my mom appeared. light beings.
i want to believe.

 

[Sinny91]

i'm an alien are you interested in exploring my anatomy for the sake of progress?

You're the reason the Grey's gave up probing and fucked off back to Zeta

 

[Sinny91]

I love it, you seem to recognise your niche speciality and so far don't invade on others.

What are some of the most convincing resources out there you'd link to persuade me of something? Or maybe you think it's not as simple as convincing or finding reliable evidence?

I think it's more aimed at studying your approach and personality with the model tinfoil behaviour rather than the subject itself, but it's on topic and harmless in every way.

Okay, I'm on a shitty device until I kick my friend off the PC, I'll pull together some of the sources I'd like you guys to explore, but you'll have to bear with me

 

[Sinny91]

i also believe in aliens sinny. i remember once i was partying with some friends of mine, 2009 perhaps and i swear i saw a really quick flash moving through the inmense universe in the dark sky near a lonely town pub. i'm not even joking, i remember one of my friends said it could have been a shooting star, but i can't quite tell how the movement was. if straight or decaying and speeding or similars.
i remember i was kinda shocked.
i also remember one day when i was younger that i was in the backyard of my grandomther house in venezuela and there were mango trees and stuff and it was raining and there were thunders and stuff. so i got the main front door and i faked a kamehameha. but the joke was on me because a fucking thunder impacted in that precise moment, when i said the final HAAAAAA and baaaam i remember my mom came and hang me from my ear and took me back, but all of a sudden and reflected by my tears i saw a weird figure coming out of the intense light, it was a matter of miliseconds, even after my mom appeared.
i want to believe.

Thanks for sharing...

From the off, I'd like to state that I believe about 95% of UFO sightings to be terrestrial, and I do not believe in little grey aliens from Zeta Reticuli...

 

[Alias]

so i got the main front door and i faked a kamehameha. but the joke was on me because a fucking thunder impacted in that precise moment like 30 meters away and in front of me, when i said the final HAAAAAA and baaaam

Aliens have a great sense of humour, you know. Probably better than some humans out there.

 

[Alias]

Whoa, aliens. Interesting. I too believe that they're probably out there, and that if God exists he probably likes them too, maybe even more than us. I'm getting back into aliens, and stuff like that as a concept, especially since Team Fortress 2 is implementing them into the game. Aliens and video games. Never saw that coming.

 

[TheManBeyond]

Aliens have a great sense of humour, you know. Probably better than some humans out there.

when i was an alien, cultures weren't opinions.
period.

 

[Sinny91]

(As usual I didn't think ahead before starting this topic, and although I'd prefer not to, links will have to suffice until I get to that comp)

To provide better context, especially for Blarraun:

Prior to 2010 I had no interest in UFO's or anything 'crazy' at all, I was just a regular 18 year old girl. Then something happened which changed my life for ever more:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum2/index.php?topic=3137.0

I've been seeing UFO's ever since that day in 2010:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum2/index.php?topic=6257.0

I initially contacted the Birmingham UFO group in 2010, and logged my early reports with them. Then, also in 2010, I joined ATS, (the conspiracy site - I don't recommend it, keep away, you'll get brain rot), after finding a post from another lady in my area reporting similiar events.

By 2012 I joined Pegasus Research Consortium, research home of Ron Schmidt, aviation fanatic and long time associate of John Lear. (Long story about John, for anyone familiar). And the rest of the Peggy team who are mostly aviation and engineering specialists, home to a few non-specialists such as myself, but I've got the observation of 'the goodies' to bring to the table.

I won't debate the 'reality' of UFO's.. Because technically they are just Unidentified Flying Objects , or UAP's, Unidentified Ariel Phenomena...

If you don't 'believe' in UFO's, you're calling millions of people 'liars' ... And for this thread to progress I need you to be 'on board' with the notion that they do exist.

.....

So anyway, after joining the interwebs in an attempt to discover 'What the actual fuck' .... I was sent down some dark and damp rabbit holes which were enough to drive anyone to the use of tin foil hats.

Enter the 'Grey Alien Agenda', abductions, butt probes, secret government treaties, world domination, yada yada yada...

Type 'aliens & UFO's' into the google search engine, and I promise you the first 500 pages are ...All bollox.

I managed to escape those rabbit holes about 18 months ago.

The true nature of 'Aliens & UFO's' have absolutely NOTHING to do with Grey's from Zeta, or Government treaties... In fact, the only 'Grey' that has anything to do with anything is Crowleys LAM. The true nature of the UFO's is really only explored in Occultic circles...

To be continued. I'll pause here and await for any initial responses, but we are far from 'done'.

 

[Sinny91]

Aliens have a great sense of humour, you know. Probably better than some humans out there.

Behind the Mask, Aliens or Cosmic Jokers?

But I'm getting ahead of myself here...

So many angles to approach this subject from...

 

[TheManBeyond]

i was reading about the planet Apex and there's something that shocked me and i decided to stop. i mean, they say the advanced race that lived there had to come to earth to live underground since their spirits weren't evolving as fast as their minds so their planet ended up being a future version of planet earth. fine. the thing is that this theory says they were evolving so quickly in matters of intelligence and so increasing the size of their heads (which i dunno if necesarily has to be correct cientifically) turned out to be a big problem because the female gender couldn't literally handle the heads coming out of their uteros when giving birth. so women were in risk of instinction because of men heads, like wtf. the whole body of both genders usually evolves at the same pace, if heads get biger so do vaginas. this could have been written by YOLOisonlyprinciple. i mean... if you could link some basic info with some solid formulations would be nice.

 

[Sinny91]

TMB, if there were any 'solid' formulations, I'd be linking you to 'government disclosure', I'm unsure if you're stating that my post sounds like YOLO, or whether you're trolling deliberately like YOLO.

TMillz, thanks for the show of interest (which you seem to have retracted, lol), I'm going to put some thought into how best to approach the rest of this thread...

 

[TheManBeyond]

TMB, if there were any 'solid' formulations, I'd be linking you to 'government disclosure', I'm unsure if you're stating that my post sounds like YOLO, or whether you're trolling deliberately like YOLO.

wtf, i'm saying that this whole zeta reticuli awakening theory is quite unfollowable, not attacking your post. check this out. point 9:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_prislira02.htm#9 - Zeta Retículi: transformación y despertar

which btw this gives finally the power on women.

 

[Sinny91]

wtf, i'm saying that this whole zeta reticuli awakening theory is quite unfollowable, not attacking your post. check this out. point 9:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_prislira02.htm#9 - Zeta Retículi: transformación y despertar

which btw this gives finally the power on women.

Okay I'm with you now, sorry I found your post slightly disjointed. (I was going to Google Apex to try to understand your post; even though I know a fair amount about this subject, it's important not to get bogged down in all the details of cock n bull stories) That's, (what you referenced), exactly what I'm talking about.. It's all bollox, and Streiber chats a lot of bollox too.

He wasn't abducted by aliens, he was abducted by the military, but that's what he gets for knocking about with the Process Church of Final Judgement etc.

The only thing there, (and I only read section 9), that even had a slither of truth to it, is the existance of space time portals... But once again, I'm getting ahead of myself here.

Crucial Fictions: A Metaphorensics Laboratory:
The Prisoner of Infinity, Trauma, Transformation & Transhumanism:
A Psycho-history of Whitley Streiber: http://crucialfictions.com/infinity/

 

[Fukyo]

like wtf. the whole body of both genders usually evolves at the same pace, if heads get biger so do vaginas. this could have been written by YOLOisonlyprinciple. i mean... if you could link some basic info with some solid formulations would be nice.

Damn son, that was funny, but you're actually kind of wrong. No reason to assume evolution would happen at the same pace, for instance childbirth in humans is a substantially complicated affair for the same reason - our heads are too big for our pelvic openings, and the size of the pelvis is a consequence of our bipedalism.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2006/07/bipedal-body/ackerman-text/2



Interesting thread Sinny btw. But due to some personal reasons I must avoid reading too much on this topic though.

 

[BatY]

Spoiler

[game of throne spoilers] This song is actually about Jon Snow.... you may want to sit down, here are the lyrdics:

Mr. Crowley, what went down in your head
(Oh) Mr. Crowley, did you talk to the dead [white walkers]
Your lifestyle to me seems so tragic [bastard, mom hates him]
With the thrill of it all [he's looking for thrills to quench his bastardly insecurity]
You fooled all the people with magic [used fire on white walkers]
(Yeah)You waited o [didn't sex with whores]

Mr. Crowley, what went down in your head
(Oh) Mr. Crowley, did you talk to the dead [yes]
Your lifestyle to me seems so tragic
With the thrill of it all
You fooled all the people with magic
(Yeah)You waited on Satan's call [basically actively seeking out the biggest conflict ever so he can prove himself to himself but its death and he doesn't know it yet or ever]

Mr. Charming, did you think you were pure [probably thought he was azor ahai but he DIED FOREVER]
Mr. Alarming, in nocturnal rapport [of the black, night's watch, always bringing alarming news]
Uncovering things that were sacred, manifest on this earth [figured out use dragonsteel on zombies]
(Oh)Conceived in the eye of a secret [NOBODY KNOWS WHO JON SNOWS MOM IS]
Yeah, they scattered the afterbirth [Ozzy's all knowing hint that jon snow has other pure brothers/sisters he doesn't know about like probably tyrion or someone awesoem]

Solo

Mr. Crowley, won't you ride my white horse? [noble hero guy etc, night's watch bros hate him for it]
Mr. Crowley, it's symbolic of course
Approaching a time that is classic
I hear that maidens call [part of his heroic story is getting the luvs, [[ygritte]]]
Approaching a time that is drastic [defending weseteros from white walkers!]
Standing with their backs to the wall [THE WALL!!]

(Solo)

Was it polemically sent?
I wanna know what you meant
I wanna know
I wanna know what you meant, yeah! [the lost soul ozzy ozbournz wants to know the soul, the deep thoughts and feelings of Jon Snow]
n Satan's call

Mr. Charming, did you think you were pure
Mr. Alarming, in nocturnal rapport
Uncovering things that were sacred, manifest on this earth
(Oh)Conceived in the eye of a secret
Yeah, they scattered the afterbirth

Solo

Mr. Crowley, won't you ride my white horse?
Mr. Crowley, it's symbolic of course
Approaching a time that is classic
I hear that maidens call
Approaching a time that is drastic
Standing with their backs to the wall

(Solo)

Was it polemically sent?
I wanna know what you meant
I wanna know
I wanna know what you meant, yeah!

Read more: Black Sabbath - Mr. Crowley Lyrics | MetroLyrics

 

[TheManBeyond]

Damn son, that was funny, but you're actually kind of wrong. No reason to assume evolution would happen at the same pace, for instance childbirth in humans is a substantially complicated affair for the same reason - our heads are too big for our pelvic openings, and the size of the pelvis is a consequence of our bipedalism.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2006/07/bipedal-body/ackerman-text/2



Interesting thread Sinny btw. But due to some personal reasons I must avoid reading too much on this topic.

Are you afraid greys come after you?
like i said i was just trying to put if as the theory was complitely baseless to see how sinny would react but i still admit i had no clue, i kinda suspected it tho, as much as you are suspecting of me right now. so sure i'm clearly not an expert on the issue. xd

 

[Sinny91]

Interesting thread Sinny btw. But due to some personal reasons I must avoid reading too much on this topic though.

That sounds ominous, but I won't press you.

(Are 'sharn't' & 'won't' actual words??)

 

[Sinny91]

like i said i was just trying to put if as the theory was complitely baseless to see how sinny would react but i still admit i had no clue, i kinda suspected it tho, as much as you are suspecting of me right now. so sure i'm clearly not an expert on the issue. xd

This is a 'serious' thread of mine, so you got a 'serious' 'reaction'.
I don't want to keep misunderstanding you, but you're going to have to meet me half way.

 

[Fukyo]

That sounds ominous, but I won't press you.

(Are 'sharn't' & 'won't' actual words??)

"sharn't" isn't, but "shan't" is

 

[Sinny91]

Spoiler

[game of throne spoilers] This song is actually about Jon Snow.... you may want to sit down, here are the lyrdics:

Mr. Crowley, what went down in your head
(Oh) Mr. Crowley, did you talk to the dead [white walkers]
Your lifestyle to me seems so tragic [bastard, mom hates him]
With the thrill of it all [he's looking for thrills to quench his bastardly insecurity]
You fooled all the people with magic [used fire on white walkers]
(Yeah)You waited o [didn't sex with whores]

Mr. Crowley, what went down in your head
(Oh) Mr. Crowley, did you talk to the dead [yes]
Your lifestyle to me seems so tragic
With the thrill of it all
You fooled all the people with magic
(Yeah)You waited on Satan's call [basically actively seeking out the biggest conflict ever so he can prove himself to himself but its death and he doesn't know it yet or ever]

Mr. Charming, did you think you were pure [probably thought he was azor ahai but he DIED FOREVER]
Mr. Alarming, in nocturnal rapport [of the black, night's watch, always bringing alarming news]
Uncovering things that were sacred, manifest on this earth [figured out use dragonsteel on zombies]
(Oh)Conceived in the eye of a secret [NOBODY KNOWS WHO JON SNOWS MOM IS]
Yeah, they scattered the afterbirth [Ozzy's all knowing hint that jon snow has other pure brothers/sisters he doesn't know about like probably tyrion or someone awesoem]

Solo

Mr. Crowley, won't you ride my white horse? [noble hero guy etc, night's watch bros hate him for it]
Mr. Crowley, it's symbolic of course
Approaching a time that is classic
I hear that maidens call [part of his heroic story is getting the luvs, [[ygritte]]]
Approaching a time that is drastic [defending weseteros from white walkers!]
Standing with their backs to the wall [THE WALL!!]

(Solo)

Was it polemically sent?
I wanna know what you meant
I wanna know
I wanna know what you meant, yeah! [the lost soul ozzy ozbournz wants to know the soul, the deep thoughts and feelings of Jon Snow]
n Satan's call

Mr. Charming, did you think you were pure
Mr. Alarming, in nocturnal rapport
Uncovering things that were sacred, manifest on this earth
(Oh)Conceived in the eye of a secret
Yeah, they scattered the afterbirth

Solo

Mr. Crowley, won't you ride my white horse?
Mr. Crowley, it's symbolic of course
Approaching a time that is classic
I hear that maidens call
Approaching a time that is drastic
Standing with their backs to the wall

(Solo)

Was it polemically sent?
I wanna know what you meant
I wanna know
I wanna know what you meant, yeah!

Read more: Black Sabbath - Mr. Crowley Lyrics | MetroLyrics

Probably get to the stuff you want to explore in a few days time.
Wouldn't be fair on everyone else to jump straight into it.

Cheers for that Fukyo, now I'll just have to go inform the majority of Britain lol.

 

[Sixup]

I'm a big fan of all things aliens. Looked at your first thread you posted, sweet pictures. Will have to check it out more later.

 

[Brontosaurie]

the mckenna quote rings true from a certain perspective

 

[Yellow]

I thought this was going to be about how aliens have replaced ghosts, which replaced demons as the culturally popular scapegoats for unexplained phenomena.

On the topic, I met a lady about 10 years ago who was employed by the History channel to completely fabricate claims of alien legends and contact, and weave it into the stories and interviews of actual believers' "evidence". She published a couple books and had a very popular blog at the time. She didn't believe a word of it herself, but she was raking in money. The interactions I had with her increased my already significant scepticism of the whole thing.

 

[Black Rose]

The technology is real.
Simulated reality is a reference frame for a course of action.

 

[Sinny91]

I thought this was going to be about how aliens have replaced ghosts, which replaced demons as the culturally popular scapegoats for unexplained phenomena.

On the topic, I met a lady about 10 years ago who was employed by the History channel to completely fabricate claims of alien legends and contact, and weave it into the stories and interviews of actual believers' "evidence". She published a couple books and had a very popular blog at the time. She didn't believe a word of it herself, but she was raking in money. The interactions I had with her increased my already significant scepticism of the whole thing.

Anime's on the right track.
I believe the paranormal entities to be working on the same principles as the AI intelligence I have alluded to. I have the opportunity to get to PC now, but I'm supposed to be at a social event in a couple of hours..... Patience is a virtue, albiet one that I lack, sighh.

 

[Sinny91]

The technology is real.
Simulated reality is a reference frame for a course of action.

In an attempt to keep ya'll entertained whilst I'm busy leaving you all hanging:

Is our Universe Fake?
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum2/index.php?topic=8564.0

The Airships of King Solomon: (UFO's in artwork, throughout the ages)
[Informal discussion]
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum2/index.php?topic=8548.0

 

[Haim]

Sorry I will need prove you wrong.

Maybe some of this lighting look familiar to you?
There is one you can see moving in 2:35,from the ground it will look like it a living light moving to you.
Lighthing

I think the UFO and Aliens,people claim to watch are too much human/earth like.
Aliens if they exists are totally unimaginable to us.
Intelligence of different kind,a lot more different from Ant,Dolphin,Birds,Bat,Dog
Our intelligence is very different from the ant, unimaginable from Aliens.
They are from a different bloody planet/asteroid,super different history,the body of them will look like nothing else you ever saw or imagined,their tech also it wont be the same at all,our tech is made up for humans.
Because all of this I don't think aliens come to contact with humans.

 

[Sinny91]

...Just cause your imagination s.u.c.k.s (dodging auto correct)

Anyway, I've already said that I don't believe in aliens from distance stars visiting earth. I think there's an AI intelligence keeping tabs on us.

Bear in mind, we had intelligent creators..

I agree, most ufo 's are terrestrial.

That's not the whole of my view but I haven't gotten around to putting into words yet.

P.s, you should look up the definition of proof.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Then what is your view, exactly? You keep showing us the surface, but you seem to refuse to go into depth? Do you believe we live in a matrix, and that there are AI "probes" which check in on us, which appear as some sort of entity or odd apparition, instead of just having some sort of output or constant reading/analysis?

I think, most importantly, why would you believe this? What makes you think we have been created in any meaningful way?

 

[Sinny91]

Hold your horses I was at a hen do last night, and I define 'lazy INTP'.

I thought everyone agreed we were created in a meaningful way.

To be continued.

 

[Sinny91]

Then what is your view, exactly? You keep showing us the surface, but you seem to refuse to go into depth? Do you believe we live in a matrix, and that there are AI "probes" which check in on us, which appear as some sort of entity or odd apparition, instead of just having some sort of output or constant reading/analysis?

I think, most importantly, why would you believe this? What makes you think we have been created in any meaningful way?

Yes I believe we are living in some form of matrix, the nature of which I'm not clever enough to decode.

I believe humans and human history have been shaped by beings and intelligences other than our own.

I believe AI probes are doing the leg work for these elusive entities/ intelligence.

As Valle put it, there's a control system and a feedback loop.

http://mindbendingtruth.com/2014/12/02/the-demiurge-is-the-source-code-for-the-matrix-part-1/

 

[Haim]

"P.s, you should look up the definition of proof."
Sorry I had hard time saying what I wanted to say.

What events in history you think they were influencing?
How did they physically did it?

Also just for the fun of it try to imagine a truly new specie with some form of intelligent,it need to be as different from everything we know as an ant difference to a tree.

 

[Puffy]

I'm pretty sure Mckenna would have been referring to DMT. It's not uncommon for people who've experienced it to interpret the spaces it takes you to and the entities you interact with there as objectively real and 'behind the scenes' in this world in a Lovecraftian extra-dimensional sense.

Spoiler

An aside, but seeing as Nick Land's been brought up on the forum by Abs and others a few times in the past...: http://merliquify.com/blog/articles/hyperstition-an-introduction/#.VcfGoEVUzoA

"What is concealed (the Occult) is an alien order of time, which betrays itself through ‘coincidences’, ‘synchronicities’ and similar indications of an intelligent arrangement of fate."
"John Carpenter’s In the Mouth of Madness includes the (approximate) line: “I thought I was making it up, but all the time they were telling me what to write.” ‘They’ are the Old Ones (explicitly), and this line operates at an extraordinary pitch of hyperstitional intensity. From the side of the human subject, ‘beliefs’ hyperstitionally condense into realities, but from the side of the hyperstitional object (the Old Ones), human intelligences are mere incubators through which intrusions are directed against the order of historical time."

I wonder what he's referring to here?

The true nature of 'Aliens & UFO's' have absolutely NOTHING to do with Grey's from Zeta, or Government treaties... In fact, the only 'Grey' that has anything to do with anything is Crowleys LAM. The true nature of the UFO's is really only explored in Occultic circles...

Are you much involved in the occult yourself, and how do they interpret it? Just curious as you brought up esotericism in the Jimmy Savile thread as well.

 

[PmjPmj]

Jacques Vallee has a lot of intelligent things to say about the subject. Personally, I find it fascinating.

 

[Sinny91]

"P.s, you should look up the definition of proof."
Sorry I had hard time saying what I wanted to say.

What events in history you think they were influencing?
How did they physically did it?

Also just for the fun of it try to imagine a truly new specie with some form of intelligent,it need to be as different from everything we know as an ant difference to a tree.

I think they perhaps not only created us, the n.e.p.h.i.l.i.m , but shaped cultures and civilisations when ever the fancy took them.

For example A.k.h.e.n.a.t.e.n recieved communication from sources not identified and then changed religion in Egypt.
I imagine the pyramids to have been constructed due to similar influence.

Still on dodgy device at the moment I can go into more details maybe tomorrow.

 

[Sinny91]

I'm pretty sure Mckenna would have been referring to DMT. It's not uncommon for people who've experienced it to interpret the spaces it takes you to and the entities you interact with there as objectively real and 'behind the scenes' in this world in a Lovecraftian extra-dimensional sense.

Spoiler

An aside, but seeing as Nick Land's been brought up on the forum by Abs and others a few times in the past...: http://merliquify.com/blog/articles/hyperstition-an-introduction/#.VcfGoEVUzoA

"What is concealed (the Occult) is an alien order of time, which betrays itself through ‘coincidences’, ‘synchronicities’ and similar indications of an intelligent arrangement of fate."
"John Carpenter’s In the Mouth of Madness includes the (approximate) line: “I thought I was making it up, but all the time they were telling me what to write.” ‘They’ are the Old Ones (explicitly), and this line operates at an extraordinary pitch of hyperstitional intensity. From the side of the human subject, ‘beliefs’ hyperstitionally condense into realities, but from the side of the hyperstitional object (the Old Ones), human intelligences are mere incubators through which intrusions are directed against the order of historical time."

I wonder what he's referring to here?

Are you much involved in the occult yourself, and how do they interpret it? Just curious as you brought up esotericism in the Jimmy Savile thread as well.

Here's some more sources alluding to the same as Mc.K.e.n.n.a http://www.mt.net/~watcher/quotes.html

I'm a student of the occult as an outsider looking in.
But you can learn alot from the material now available in the public domain, especially the stuff that's not supposed to be in the public domain. One of my mentors is of the R.C and helps quite a bit.

It's important to have some knowledge in the field if one has an interest in studying the likes of Saville as his world revolved around the occult.

But yes, it's all very L.o.v.e.c.r.a.f.t.i.a.n.

 

[Sinny91]

Jacques Vallee has a lot of intelligent things to say about the subject. Personally, I find it fascinating.

Have you read his Forbidden Science volumes yet?
I've not got round to buying them but read all I could on the Web .

 

[Sinny91]

An aside, but seeing as Nick Land's been brought up on the forum by Abs and others a few times in the past...:

http://merliquify.com/blog/articles/hyperstition-an-introduction/#.VcfGoEVUzoA

"What is concealed (the Occult) is an alien order of time, which betrays itself through ‘coincidences’, ‘synchronicities’ and similar indications of an intelligent arrangement of fate."
"John Carpenter’s In the Mouth of Madness includes the (approximate) line: “I thought I was making it up, but all the time they were telling me what to write.” ‘They’ are the Old Ones (explicitly), and this line operates at an extraordinary pitch of hyperstitional intensity. From the side of the human subject, ‘beliefs’ hyperstitionally condense into realities, but from the side of the hyperstitional object (the Old Ones), human intelligences are mere incubators through which intrusions are directed against the order of historical time."

I wonder what he's referring to here?

 

[Sinny91]

Here's a good place to start:

Secrets of the UFO by Don Elkins With Carla Rueckert:
http://www.llresearch.org/library/secrets_of_the_ufo_pdf/secrets_of_the_ufo.pdf

They dont neccesarily draw the same conclusions as myself, but the pair are honest pioneers in the field, will be reading this again myself as I haven't read it in about 2 years.

(Apologies for hogging the 'recents' bored, I should be asleep but you know how it is)

 

[Puffy]

Here's some more sources alluding to the same as Mc.K.e.n.n.a http://www.mt.net/~watcher/quotes.html

I'm a student of the occult as an outsider looking in.
But you can learn alot from the material now available in the public domain, especially the stuff that's not supposed to be in the public domain. One of my mentors is of the R.C and helps quite a bit.

It's important to have some knowledge in the field if one has an interest in studying the likes of Saville as his world revolved around the occult.

But yes, it's all very L.o.v.e.c.r.a.f.t.i.a.n.

Hah, thanks for the link, thought you might like Land's article.

I think most interested in the occult are outside looking in, at what I'm unsure though. I've been studying it periodically for a few years as well, or at least a lot that's related. What material in particular are you referring to? Guessing RC stands for Roscicrucian but I didn't know there was a current organisation by that name so probably mistaken.

 

[Sinny91]

I think most interested in the occult are outside looking in, at what I'm unsure though.

Ditto.

What material in particular are you referring to?

Sorry you'll need to be more specific, I make lots of unbacked references lol

Guessing RC stands for Roscicrucian but I didn't know there was a current organisation by that name so probably mistaken.

Yea I believe his organisation is AMORC.

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From my link is another of my favorites:

"One theory which can no longer be taken very seriously is that UFOs are interstellar spaceships." [SIZE=+1]- Arthur C. Clarke

Just for you Puffy & PmjPmj[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]:

[/SIZE]Tau Allen Greenfield
http://occultofpersonality.net/tau-allen-greenfield/

SECRET CIPHER OF THE UFONAUTS
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/secretcipher_ufonauts.pdf

The book describes the cipher, its use throughout history, its discovery in Liber AL vel Legis (The Book of the Law), and how Allen found it could be utilized in instances of UFO contact to derive meaning from the odd names the entities provided. The discovery of the cipher and its usage opens up a very likely “missing link” bridging the understanding between the worlds of spiritual and magick occult concepts and the entities from UFOs, contactees, and Men In Black. This linkage is key to truly comprehending the hidden realms that seem to impose themselves upon on our world with regularity

The Secret Rituals of the Men in Black
http://api.ning.com/files/iWUKCI1ph...9ZcMuxCb/TheManinBlackbyAllenH.Greenfield.pdf


Grey Lodge Occult Review
From the Mysteriously Missing Pages of B.'.B.'

Excerpts from an Holy Interview with our Beloved Brother Jacques Vallee

UFOs remain the chief enigma of our time. No matter what we read, no matter what our own experiences with the phenomena, the strangeness and absurdity of the reports keep us wondering just what is really going on. For some, the question is of the utmost importance, for others it is treated as an entertaining oddity. For those of us who have had some kind of encounter with UFOs, the experience wil continue to be a critical question mark behind our taken-for-grante assumptions about the world. We may never find out what they are, but we certainly appreciate any reasonable suggestions as to their ultimate nature ​

http://www.thejinn.net/grey_lodge_vallee.htm

Excerpts:

I think that the basic breakthrough for me is to understand that the UFO phenomenon is not a system. If it was a system, we could probably understand it. We're very good at analyzing systems whether they're social systems, hardware systems, or physical systems. I think we're not getting anywhere because we need to look at a phenomena not as a system but as a meta-system.
In other words, it's a system that generates systems.

There are cases of repeated observations where the phenomenon begins by being amorphous and then starts matching the expectations of the witnesses.

There are certainly occult groups that claim they can invoke or evoke beings that do some of the things that UFO entities do. I've looked. I've contacted a number of those groups. [Indeed, we at the Lodge have compiled a sizable array of dossiers on neo-Enochian practitioners who have enjoyed a great degree of success invoking such "space alien extraterrestrials." -B:.B:.

 

[Sinny91]

Then what is your view, exactly? You keep showing us the surface, but you seem to refuse to go into depth? Do you believe we live in a matrix, and that there are AI "probes" which check in on us, which appear as some sort of entity or odd apparition, instead of just having some sort of output or constant reading/analysis?

I think, most importantly, why would you believe this? What makes you think we have been created in any meaningful way?

Plenty of 'depth' in the sources I've posted tonight.... still far from done, work in progress.

 

[Haim]

What and how you think they influence today?(or current decade)

 

[Sinny91]

Same shit they've always influenced.
Technology & ideology.

 

[Sinny91]

The quote posted slightly above about them being amorphous resonated with me.

I took a psychological test not long ago, you know one of those where you get told to visualise stuff and the authors extrapolate from there..

Anyway I took one of those and it was all about imagining a cube in the desert with a few more objects, including details of size, colour and weight..

My cube was about the size of a fist, carbon black, sleek and heavy. I didn't realise straight away but I eventually clicked on to the fact that it was very similar to the 'saucer' that appeared to me from what I could only guess was the ether.

Adding credence to the fact they draw on the individuals own constructions and expectations.

Still a theory that needs more work.