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I'm totally clueless as to what happened.
I was absent for a month.
I was absent for a month.
I had the impression that BAP felt offended when asked a question as to why on the last ban. And was met with "We have been through this already"(at a point). Then got offended.@Salmoneus
Something along the lines of: asking a few seemingly redundant questions and pushing a number of already discussed things to reach the same conclusions as before.
That later ended in self-affirmation and empowering of the established principles.
That from my and others perspective could have been obvious, but I cannot deny that BAP and others (maybe myself a bit) might have had his\her its own lesson and might have broadened her\his\its own understanding of user/adm relations and rightful/unjust, human decision making and decision process.
Your view is the only one that matters? Try telling that to a Jew living in 1935 Germany. Try telling that to a Native American when the Puritans arrived. Try telling that to a Muslim living in the Middle East who believes in one of two sects. Try telling that to your parents when they say you are grounded. Try telling that to your teacher when they flunk you. Try telling that to your favorite moderator when they ban you.But this is all dependent on your political view and how you want to define the above concepts. Anything can be made out to look good or bad. It's all based on subjective view anyways, mine is the only one that matters to me.
It's also a matter of being polite ... showing you are not hostile.***Apologies are important.
I disagree there are objective qualities in the world. Also there are conventions with which we begin to establish common subjective qualities. This is very important to view other subjective views as relevant imo.But this is all dependent on your political view and how you want to define the above concepts. Anything can be made out to look good or bad. It's all based on subjective view anyways, mine is the only one that matters to me.
Thank you for broadening this explanation. Yes I knew that part and that was a mistake on my part not to include this, so this nicely adds to the whole.I had the impression that BAP felt offended when asked a question as to why on the last ban. And was met with "We have been through this already"(at a point). Then got offended.
In the next move I think BAP was smarter. Instead of waiting for the next ban, he addressed the question in advance. Now, this is much more clever, and have a much higher chance of producing a result.
Something backfired. Still not heard, but the other part got offended this time.
In my book, the score is 1 : 1.
This thread, I read as the finishing chapter of this 'game'.
/this could all be wrong.
Apologies are important. But as long as one stick to the subject, insults rarely happen. On technical boards, it's almost unheard off
On social boards it's more the person, and less the subject. The 'rules' changes. I'm not exactly sure what category this board is at. I would say the latter(for most). This is interesting.
Galileo, Copernicus, Socrates, and a multitude of others known and unknown. Did they misstep?
There may be a conundrum at the center of this, that will never be solved. Environment outside the board dictates what can be allowed. Layer upon layers connect, motion is inevitable.
Only good judgments may navigate steadily throughout the maze.
It is important to notice that Jews had their time of violence, they established their Land of Israel on the lands of Canaanites and Sumerians not without their atrocities and later created their nation with military support and continue to use violence in the Gaza region. Also they frequently bombard Syrian, Pakistan and Iranian facilities and production compounds. Obviously the Holocaust destroyed Jews and many other European ethnicities, Gypsies, Slavs, Greeks, etc. The disappearance of Native American culture is a great blow to the richness of this planet as all your examples are regarding to their systems of reference. However there are also multiple conditions where you can begin to explain different courses of action, the more personal and singular you get the easier it is, so ban is much simpler to understand and judge than a genocide or ethnic cleansing.Your view is the only one that matters? Try telling that to a Jew living in 1935 Germany. Try telling that to a Native American when the Puritans arrived. Try telling that to a Muslim living in the Middle East who believes in one of two sects. Try telling that to your parents when they say you are grounded. Try telling that to your teacher when they flunk you. Try telling that to your favorite moderator when they ban you.
It's also a matter of being polite ... showing you are not hostile.***
New York City is very crowded. I should know that. In NYC I'm in a hurry and rush around. Occasionally I bump into someone. Guess what? THEY apologize. I'm astonished. It's MY fault yet they apologize ... often a woman. Why are they apologizing for being in my way? Answer: they want to show they are not hostile ... just in case I am.
There is another view: Never apologize. After all it's their fault. Why apologize to the bad guy? Question: are they a bully taking advantage? If they are bullying, that's a different issue. A bully must be stood up to ... but it helps to be stronger.
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***What if it is you yourself who is hostile only you don't know it?
Oh certainly. If I believe in wonkavision that is part of my life. If someone tells me I can't have that belief, it is silly, sentimental, sappy, that destroys part of my life and I am in danger.what do you mean by hostile?
are you implying that someone's life is in danger?
Uhhh. Maybe?
Whom is requesting an apology?
*Munches cake distractedly*
Your view is the only one that matters? Try telling that to a Jew living in 1935 Germany. Try telling that to a Native American when the Puritans arrived. Try telling that to a Muslim living in the Middle East who believes in one of two sects. Try telling that to your parents when they say you are grounded. Try telling that to your teacher when they flunk you. Try telling that to your favorite moderator when they ban you.
Obviously you equate power to authority, then. How else could you go off and explain the virtue of authority being earned and given by definition, only to contradict yourself by implying that authority can be acquired without earning it? What did I not understand?
Power over another is control over another with no recourse. Authority is control with recourse. Ascribed authority is given; achieved authority is earned.
Uhhh. Maybe?
Whom is requesting an apology?
*Munches cake distractedly*
Also, I thought it was obvious but there are a few here who are not well schooled in the ways of Ne around here: The lube bit was a joke on my part.
And with that I'm out of here.
Ok, thanks everyone for providing the a run-down of the course of events.
I think i have caught up to it and the old wounds should not be opened again.
Salmoneus. The old wounds are in the process of healing. Have you considered the possibility of new wounds opening up? Every contingency must be covered.Ok, thanks everyone for providing the a run-down of the course of events.
I think i have caught up to it and the old wounds should not be opened again.
Salmoneus. The old wounds are in the process of healing. Have you considered the possibility of new wounds opening up? Every contingency must be covered.
You stick your finger in the wound and then tell us we can't. What's up with that?
This was not my intention.
Also, i did not say "you can't", i just said i wont.
Consider the INTP Forum as a mental and emotional workout gym.I personally like the workout but in the world outside the forum people are so delicate ...
Consider the INTP Forum as a mental and emotional workout gym.
It would be interesting to get to know one better without so much effort.You don't know me well and you are trying too hard. You misunderstand me.
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Some are slower than others. We need to be brought up to speed.Also, I thought it was obvious but there are a few here who are not well schooled in the ways of Ne around here:
See above.The lube bit was a joke on my part.![]()
Upon return if only an appearance could be made.And with that I'm out of here.
That is very true.
It brings to question, "what are the moderators?". The trainers? Maybe they are the spotters.
They are a fall-back for the weak-minded.
Moderators are a form of e-police
e-harmonyThey also have a minor role in maintaining harmony throughout the community.
Also, just because you have resources, it does not mean you should automatically use them.![]()
This reminds me of the intelligence work agents in the USA and other countries do to prevent terrorist acts. The good work they do goes unnoticed while the things they do to enforce a certain discipline are found annoying.That was not what I intended to imply. I was only indicating that the use of the moderators is done by more than the weak minded. I rather enjoy the organization they enforce in the forums for example. The is much more efficiency in keeping things on topic here than other forums I have visited. In some forums you would have to read through 10-20 posts to find a single discussion that is on topic to the thread as indicated in the OP and title. The disorganization eventually makes the who titling and separating of threads pointless. They might as well as have a single thread to run their discussions.
It would seem you don't like moderators simply because they represent authority and you don't like authority. If this is the case beware that your bias does not prevent you from recognizing what benefits they give to the forum community.
Bias would prevent you from recognizing or using all the functions of the machine and the machine will not work as efficiently for you as it might others simply because you cannot see its full potential.
That was not what I intended to imply. I was only indicating that the use of the moderators is done by more than the weak minded. I rather enjoy the organization they enforce in the forums for example. The is much more efficiency in keeping things on topic here than other forums I have visited. In some forums you would have to read through 10-20 posts to find a single discussion that is on topic to the thread as indicated in the OP and title. The disorganization eventually makes the who titling and separating of threads pointless. They might as well as have a single thread to run their discussions.
It would seem you don't like moderators simply because they represent authority and you don't like authority. If this is the case beware that your bias does not prevent you from recognizing what benefits they give to the forum community.
Bias would prevent you from recognizing or using all the functions of the machine and the machine will not work as efficiently for you as it might others simply because you cannot see its full potential.
Yeah, if a Samurai makes 100 cuts in a duel it means he is very unskilled.Did you know a skilled Samurai could make 100 cuts on a person without killing them? = The ultimate muscle training?
Makes me wonder if they would practice this technique on each other.
This forum, from my standpoint is horrible in some ways. When I come on here I feel some sort of expectation and constant opposition which is exactly what I don't want.
Communities like this, communities with certain boundaries and FUCKING interpersonal unwritten rules are fucking disgusting.
The thought that someone could feel superior to others in a place like this makes me sick, especially the thought of mods feeling superior.
Fuck moderators. We/I need to absolve myself from this hellhole.
Rush said:...For the Maples scream "oppression!" and the Oaks just shake their heads...
You might have that experience, but give no examples. Even if you did what if that were only .01 percent? Life is worse, no?This forum, from my standpoint is horrible in some ways.
Really? I don't feel any expectation other than to follow some fairly reasonable rules. Are you talking about people, rules, moderators, what?When I come on here I feel some sort of expectation and constant opposition which is exactly what I don't want.
Whoops. You said unwritten. Let's have at 'em. I say bring them out and maybe we can see what is reasonable or not.Communities like this, communities with certain boundaries and FUCKING interpersonal unwritten rules are fucking disgusting.
I'm for equality, sort of. But people are not equal. I am older than average. That gives me an advantage, but not much of one. So what? Would you complain about some people having more skill in some area than others?The thought that someone could feel superior to others in a place like this makes me sick, especially the thought of mods feeling superior.
You seem either unhappy, angry or putting us on. Which?Fuck moderators. We/I need to absolve myself from this hellhole.
Hi Fukyo. What do you say we give this a shot? Maybe it's a fluke. Maybe this guy is serious. Hard to tell. Even if s/he is a flame warrior, maybe we can identify the ballpark.oh man oh man oh man. He's going all out.
What possible challenge could I be presenting?Are you presenting a challenge? You might have that experience, but give no examples. Even if you did what if that were only .01 percent? Life is worse, no?
Once again, you say "reasonable rules" as if it is the opinion of all. Are you sure that in your vulnerability (people in authority, at least on this forum) you are not expressing what you truly think? I am talking about people, rules, moderators and the ideas behind them.Really? I don't feel any expectation other than to follow some fairly reasonable rules. Are you talking about people, rules, moderators, what?
Whoops? I made no mistake. I think you understand the rules I am getting at, rules that enable one person and disable another. For example, a moderator could probably get away with insulting someone on this forum with no repercussions whereas a user would probably get different treatment.Whoops. You said unwritten. Let's have at 'em. I say bring them out and maybe we can see what is reasonable or not.
You feel generally superior because of age? I understand that argument in terms of the difference between a toddler and an adult but nothing beyond that, the time you have taken to orbit the sun should have no correlation to superiority, but for some it does. You know what I meant because I laid a direct contextual outline of moderators in terms of superiority, so when you say "more skill in some area than others?" and in my opinion seem to take my argument out of context it seems as though you're nitpicking. "a place like this".I'm for equality, sort of. But people are not equal. I am older than average. That gives me an advantage, but not much of one. So what? Would you complain about some people having more skill in some area than others?
"Which?". Are you implying that the only reasons for this post could be unhappiness, anger or a joke? I know you have had your troubles with moderators in the past, however, even after your apology it doesn't mean you have to immediately jump to their defense.You seem either unhappy, angry or putting us on. Which?
You can write down your rules in a thread, something like a blog.Communities like this, communities with certain boundaries and FUCKING interpersonal unwritten rules are fucking disgusting.
Yeah I do feel superior in a sense my nickname is composed of letters and yours is not which means my letters are superior. Prove me wrong.The thought that someone could feel superior to others in a place like this makes me sick, especially the thought of mods feeling superior.
You can write down your rules in a thread, something like a blog.
Here example: don't mess with the mods, they are superior after all.
Yeah I do feel superior in a sense my nickname is composed of letters and yours is not which means my letters are superior. Prove me wrong.
Sorry I have rarely taken the bait so I will try my best here.
Commencing taking the bait and I am way too tired to be illogical.
I wish to do the opposite: not take sides. Your personal reasons need to be understood as what you have said can arouse the interest of moderators. I will try to explain but my wife is calling me to bed and if I don't finish, can you wait till tomorrow?Alright. To add a general mood to my post, which was admittedly a bit dramatic, I am in a hyped up creative mood. Currently not feeling bad, down, hating everything etc. If my reply seems a little bit muddled - I am also talking to a friend at the moment. Alright, let me start by saying that I think your immediately oppositional stance on what I have said and some misinterpretations of what I have said (intentional or not) are evident in your post. I fear that you may be instantly taking sides despite what I say for personal reasons, but here we go.
Hold on. I will see if I can get to it.What possible challenge could I be presenting?
I stress the words "some ways". Are you asking me, if things were different, would it really be that bad? I don't understand what you are trying to say.
Fair enough but an answer may take time. "Reasonable" rules are stated here: General Rules. Not my rules, but we can examine them if you wish.Once again, you say "reasonable rules" as if it is the opinion of all. Are you sure that in your vulnerability (people in authority, at least on this forum) you are not expressing what you truly think? I am talking about people, rules, moderators and the ideas behind them.
That is true, but will have to be examined also. Moderators are here to place "reasonable" controls and do have flaws of their own. If they were to insult, we'd have to find a way to call attention to that while at the same time recognizing their authority. Don't forget a direct calling to attention may start a fire.Whoops? I made no mistake. I think you understand the rules I am getting at, rules that enable one person and disable another. For example, a moderator could probably get away with insulting someone on this forum with no repercussions whereas a user would probably get different treatment.
My turn to say I don't understand. I have superior experience because of my age. That doesn't make me superior. The saying goes, "There's no fool like an old fool."You feel generally superior because of age? I understand that argument in terms of the difference between a toddler and an adult but nothing beyond that, the time you have taken to orbit the sun should have no correlation to superiority, but for some it does. You know what I meant because I laid a direct contextual outline of moderators in terms of superiority, so when you say "more skill in some area than others?" and in my opinion seem to take my argument out of context it seems as though you're nitpicking. "a place like this".
Sorry for the copout but I will look at that tomorrow. If you have to go ... I hope you can read it tomorrow.If I seem like I am attacking your argument instead of giving answers to your questions, It is because I am doing just that. The reason I am doing that is because you seem to have misinterpreted most of what I have said and the more I look at what you say, the more biased you appear to be on this particular topic.
I agree. You may have another reason. As to moderators, I had to make a statement. The whole truth is a range of truths yet to be unveiled."Which?". Are you implying that the only reasons for this post could be unhappiness, anger or a joke? I know you have had your troubles with moderators in the past, however, even after your apology it doesn't mean you have to immediately jump to their defense.
Hah. Hah. I don't feel superior. Come to think of it, you have a superior time available while mine is running down, lol.Right now, I am not happy, not sad. I am simply content with my creative outlet, and hoping that this hyper active, positive feeling lasts. I hope you have a wonderful life BigApplePi, or what's left of it depending on how superior you feel.
Appreciated.- Sorry I took so long to reply, I stopped the distractions though so hopefully halfway through it is easier to understand.