A Direct Apology to Moderators

[Goku]

"02/ No Trolls. No Flaming. No attacks on personalities or groups. No Spam. No Porn links."
http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?p=7#post7


It's never about the rules. Every forum has the same rules. It's always about the people who interpret the rules, how liberally/conservatively they apply the rules, and how fairly and ubiquitously they apply them.

Personal attacks happen all the time, the difficulty lies with applying the "rules" equally to everyone. It seems (I dunno for sure) that some people get a pass, more leeway, etc.

Rules are easily manipulated to justify the wishes of those in power. Those of us skilled in arguing and persuading know that a situation can be shaped depending on what words you use to describe it.

For example, from our "J" thread, a J could be called "closed minded" or "action oriented;" and even though we both technically refer to the same trait, one holds a negative connotation while the other a positive.

In the same way, "you're crazy" could be said as a compliment, insult, or lighthearted gesture. It could be interpreted the same or different as intended... So which wins when there's conflict, the intention or the perception, or some mathematical formula that calculates fault as a percentage like they do with car accidents...?

Two highly intelligent people could be insulting/attacking each other with adept use of sarcasm. The comments are so high brow that nobody can even translate them as insults. How can you resolve this one?

I actually like this forum very much, even though it often may not seem so because I am so critical at times. Compared to other forums, this place is well run, in my opinion as always. I know people aren't all perfect and we cannot expect them to be. (Yes, yes we can)

But I do think that a quality of a good forum, or any real life community, is that one is allowed free speech to criticise the governing body without retribution. In America, I believe that we have this privilege. I know this is not the case in other countries. I think (and hope) this privilege exists here, at least that appears to be the case.

 

[Kuu]

This thread, I read as the finishing chapter of this 'game'.
/this could all be wrong.

There is no 'game'. There is only BAP, splashing in a puddle, confused and mesmerized by the shiny reflections, getting mud all over the halls and making the janitors sigh.

I have been avoiding this thread because largely I think it's somewhat silly. In my view of things, BAP has blown out of proportion what was originally a non-issue, and by constantly talking about it, and dragging moderations into conversation they found tiresome with multiple PMs and threads about them, he actually turned himself into an issue in the mods minds, like some self-fullfilling prophesy. There wouldn't be a need for an apology if BAP had noticed that he had crossed a line from being inquisitive into being nagging to people that do moderation on their free time and have day jobs and other concerns and not that keen on endlessly navel-gazing on what-could-have-been-if-only-we-tried-understanding-everyone...

My reaction was ultimately: ignore/disengage (although some others had a bit of an anger stage before)

I do find the apology refreshing, as well.

I have yet to see a serious topic be completely bastardised on this forum.

Good one!

Communities like this, communities with certain boundaries and FUCKING interpersonal unwritten rules are fucking disgusting.

Good luck finding any human community without this.

 

[BigApplePi]

Hawkeye. That's funny.

I did exactly that but the opinion came out anyway.

 

[Base groove]

There is no 'game'. There is only BAP, splashing in a puddle, confused and mesmerized by the shiny reflections, getting mud all over the halls and making the janitors sigh.

There is no ugliness, only strange beauty.

 

[BigApplePi]

I haven't read the rest of your reply, but don't let this get in the way.

Forget about this, I doubt either of us will benefit from anything that is said or any significant changes will happen. I will probably still reply but as I said...

Edit: Considering the understanding nature of your replies, I feel I am less on the offensive now. Maybe we can chat about this later, I like the idea of examining the rules but I also feel that no impact would ever be made.

Regardless, I hope your life is full of satisfaction. I wanted this post to give you some sort of closure to make you comfortable, I hope it did.

Well now that is a really nice response. I wish you the same. Any time you wish to take up any further issues, feel free.

 

[crippli]

My reaction was ultimately: ignore/disengage (although some others had a bit of an anger stage before)

I do find the apology refreshing, as well.

Thanks. I like your take on the matter as usual.

Excellent. I'm glad you found the apology refreshing.

There is no ugliness, only strange beauty.

Yea, isn't that the truth.

 

[BigApplePi]

Kuu. I appreciate you taking time out to make that post.

I checked my PM boxes. There have been no PMs with the two moderators I disagreed with since Dec 11. I plan no further PMs. Everything else has been public. I don't wish to impose on your time.

 

[Hyena]

Apologies?

You have "wronged". Alter perspective. Interpretation of quality of action need not be linear.

 

[Ex-User (9062)]

I did exactly that but the opinion came out anyway.

No, but seriously. That .................. character looks suspicious.