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Also: - Jesus was a carpenter - Carpenters use tools - therefore it is not wrong to use tools So where are you coming from?

So here's what I can gather from MBTI: There is a commonly used function order which is chiastic, in the form of: A B B' A' A'' B'' B''' A''' And further more, when you identify this chiastic process in some set of works produced by a person, when you line up the corresponding components, you...

Tools - like typology and the notion of conscious/unconscious?

What this means is that people are characteristically chiastic in nature. In anything - not literally anything, there are a great deal of exceptions - a person does, you are likely to see a chiastic structure manifest. That's why function order is how it is. It also suggests that my previous...

I'm a bit confused by the following: originally you were criticising utilitarianism because it didn't acknowledge the subjective component of nature, treating it as object-without-subject, But now the problem is that utilitarianism treats objects as subjects, when to the frame of reference used...

Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.

Does consciousness impact the physical world? Does goodness, or truth, impact the physical world, or qualia? You could say "yes, conscious beings impact the physical world" however you could surely imagine that these beings could impact the physical world even if they were not conscious, put...

Well, I mean, all types have Ne in some form or another. I posit that all people have all 8 functions consciously to some degree because I don't believe in the "one person = one type" view. But I am interested to know why you think I'm pinned to the Si. I'll respond to your other part in the...

@Cognisant I don't think a priori is the same as 100% certain is it? The Grey Man explains the a priori earlier in the thread with the cup metaphor.

I think any time that a proposition is put forwards in words, there is doubt over it. Like say I say "something exists". That sounds like the most certain thing I could say, but by the time it is put in words, there arises the question of "wait, what if I have misinterpreted the phrase? What if...

My interpretations of what he said was "uncertain in theory, certain in practice". In theory there may be all kinds of alternate explanations that could explain his belief that he had 2 hands, so he could speak of a kind of uncertainty, but in practice, where it comes to making a decision based...

You make it sound like something being moral depends solely on whether someone has decided that thing is good according to their morals, based on what they value. But if someone decided something was true, and decided to judge truth based on what they decided was true, would that mean their...

wtf no?

Is consciousness metaphysical because it is the pre-condition for physicality to exist in the first place thus making it transcendent of the physical? edit: and like, if a tree falls in the forest...

I had wondered before about the structure of function order. It seems to make intuitive sense, but why? And just now I came across this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiastic_structure The structure of the function order is clearly chiastic. The first four functions have the structure of A B...

Having said all that, I don't see why Pod'lair, at least the Mojo Reading component, to say nothing of the rest, isn't basically correct. Sure I can say "there's more to it than that", but that would just suggest that some things need to be revised. The basic theory, and the accumulated data...

I can compare myself at different points in time, attributing certain values to different experiences, perhaps summing everything up as a calculus, keeping in mind that the difference in significance between one moment and the next can be highly vast. However, the moment I am currently in has a...

There's a thread for this already https://intpforum.com/threads/any-thoughts-on-that-northwestern-university-study-of-4-personality-types.27458/

Do Platonic forms resemble Jungian archetypes? Are they each manifestations of the same basic idea?

I have a pervasive habit of addiction or addiction-like pursuance of pleasure seeking, and having this is such a core focus is likely detracting from my pursuance of the higher things in life, the spiritual. I don't know if this is what you were getting at with the lotus, but does it fit? So...

If we're all the same I, then isn't it best to act for the needs of the many, because these are all instances of the one? I mean, even Utilitarianism allows you to act for your own needs, so long as your benefits outweigh the harm you cause. And if the other is the same as the I, isn't it best...

I know I brought it up, but I don't think I really understand the parable of the lost sheep. So here's what "The needs of the many are in fact weightless." sounds like to me: Ok, so no-one other than yourself matters, because only you can feel what you feel. So don't worry about others...

It defines goodness as a subjective state, and supposes the existence of a multitude of subjects of comparative importance, each existing for some length of time. Is that the same?

Is this about solipsism or the lost sheep? I'm confused.

Do INTPs get that obsessive with things? I had thought that kind of single-mindedness was an attribute of introverted perception. (though I am very likely wrong about that)

For example, I've been able to observe my mental processes and see that the order of the 8 functions associated with INFJ manifests on an observable level in my mind. That shows how powerful typology is in being able to explain and predict mental processes, and even if it's somehow just a...

I'll need something better than this if I'm to actually abandon the typology ship and dimiss it as fraudulent. If I'm serious about wanting to move onto something else, then I could just take you at your word, but I don't think I'm willing to do that. What makes typology so poor in substance...

tbh I don't really watch TV or movies. I watched Entourage back when I was like 18 and that's one of the last series I ever got into.

I don't know but I turned off that album you posted after 15 seconds we must have differents tastes or something?

ok?

It's a framework for interpreting various forms of patterns, mostly applied on the level of human psychology, but with other levels possible. If the framework has explanatory power, and predictive power, which I believe it does, then it is on the level of science. But I am aware of the...

Yeah, I've considered that one in this sense: how is it that my mind can perceive what is around me as though it were distinct yet unified? In what way does the differentiation of sensation allow itself to be perceived all at once? And the simple answer is: what you see before you, that is the...

I don't think I get a dopamine fix from it? But maybe I do. I don't know neuroscience stuff that well. I mean, I smoke to get a dopamine fix. I don't think typology is like smoking, And I do listen to a lot of music, though not as much as I used to, and I have other ways of getting a dopamine...

@QuickTwist you mention that it is the Judging types who want a definitive answer, but then mention that in Jungian terms it is Si. I'm not clear on what your stance is regarding function to type-code correspondance, but a type with strong Si is generally seen as an SJ, with NJs having the...

Does anyone else have an obsession with typology? If you don't, I guess you can still respond in terms of other obsessions you have, if you're an obsession prone person. I've been obsessed with typology for years - almost for as long as I've known about typology at all. I generally don't mind...

I like this list apart from Ni/Se. "Causal links" aren't usually associated with Ni - though I don't understand the concept of causality well enough to make a self-verified conclusion, I can say from what I've read that it's associated if anything with Te. Also it's Ni rather than Se that is...

I'm gonna make this thread "general thoughts on Pod'lair" now. First off, is that Pod'lair needs to weaken their claims if they wanna have a claim to truth. The "one person, one type" worldview that they have is wrong, and even the more nuanced "one person, some distribution of the 16 types"...

The basic method is to divide the post into paragraphs, then, using whatever you know about the functions, determine which function each paragraph best represents - keeping in mind that all paragraphs will be flavoured by the dominant function, and that non-standard orderings are possible. So...

As you can see by his location, Creeping Death is Omnipresent, and was therefore, by default, here first.

It's more likely an over-use of Ti, rather than a high level of INTP cognition. INTP cognition is rarely high in an INFJ. (I'm pretty sure of that being your type, my method gave me clear results) If you're overusing Ti, then maybe the Fe comes out too strong and in an unhealthy manner because...

I have developed a method of typing people by analysing forum posts, and through this method, I am a clear example of an INFJ - and this includes posts I made before I began identifying myself as an INFJ. I also have other related methods of analysing a person through such things as vlogs, and a...

The statistics are based on test results, but if the tests are unreliable (which they are), then we don't really know what the actual percentages are.

You're talking about the Te/Si idea of structure here. INFJ structure is like... striving towards long term goals and fixations (Ni), and the dynamics at play in interpersonal interactions (Fe). Te is planning and structuring and deadlines. Si is routine, attention to detail, and specific...

Apathy is probably just an overactive Ti. I'm an INFJ and I have very little interest in politics. I also don't know how rare the personality type actually is, no one knows yet, really. I don't have a lack of interest in politics because it makes me "sad". It's just not interesting. I had...

I'm seeing a lot of Fe in that description. First guess would be INFJ. edit: also you seem to be an INFJ, too. You seem to view the past in a pattern-based sense, and speak a fair bit about relationships.

What is the "riddle of existence"?

Calm down and sleep it off? The tranquilisers are operating constantly. I sleep 12 hours a day. I mean being tranquilised is no fun. When I enter into a state of psychosis, the last thing I want is to be tranquilised. Well, psychosis or no it's not a pleasant drug to be on. When I'm psychotic...

I have fun while psychotic. I assume it's psychosis, that's what it's being called. I've been on anti-psychotic injections for 4 of the last 5 years. They are NO FUN.