What is your excuse for not being vegan?

[dad]

Dad is a troll?

Satire.

 

[Cherry Cola]

True dat the more accurate descript.

 

[crippli]

I personally just love the taste and texture of meat. And as someone who has weightlifting as a serious part in his life, I kind of get tired of eating beans(and soy related products) and nuts to get the protein I need. With that being said i am a son of a former farmer and so i buy directly and try to support local farms where i live and farms that treat their animals with some type of decency.

Interesting point. One i have thought on as well. What it came down to for me, is the question, Is it better to have a sexist decided, productive decided, and at times awfully short. Or no life at all?

 

[nerd866]

If you were a vegan, would you then take the consideration and effort to change to non-vegan? Or are you just lazy? ...

I don't think like a vegan so I honestly don't know.

 

[420MuNkEy]

The only halfway decent reason I see to be a vegan is the the environmental one. Yes, it takes quite a bit more land to raise an animal and they produce greenhouse gasses. Other than that, meat is delicious and I have no moral issues with modern methods of animal slaughter. I'm not particularly interested in health benefits, but from what I've seen the claims of health benefits don't really hold up to scrutiny when examined generally and not just in cherry-picked specific circumstances.

The issues of animal mistreatment is grossly overstated. It doesn't make any sense to mistreat them. It's much less efficient and the end product is worse. Anyone seeking to make a profit would be better served by just treating the animals humanely and that's no secret to people in the industry. The people who release the abuse videos also exploit public ignorance and specifically show things like postmortem twitching, making it look like animals are flailing around in pain, when in fact they're quite dead.

 

[Cherry Cola]

The only halfway decent reason I see to be a vegan is the the environmental one. Yes, it takes quite a bit more land to raise an animal and they produce greenhouse gasses. Other than that, meat is delicious and I have no moral issues with modern methods of animal slaughter. I'm not particularly interested in health benefits, but from what I've seen the claims of health benefits don't really hold up to scrutiny when examined generally and not just in cherry-picked specific circumstances.

The issues of animal mistreatment is grossly overstated. It doesn't make any sense to mistreat them. It's much less efficient and the end product is worse. Anyone seeking to make a profit would be better served by just treating the animals humanely and that's no secret to people in the industry. The people who release the abuse videos also exploit public ignorance and specifically show things like postmortem twitching, making it look like animals are flailing around in pain, when in fact they're quite dead.

Maybe you should stick to smoking weed lol.

 

[420MuNkEy]

Maybe you should stick to smoking weed lol.

Even if I was an outspoken heroin user that wouldn't refute my point. Try again.

 

[Cherry Cola]

You made a statement that didn't have a point because it wasn't an argument.

How about this:

The issues of animal mistreatment are grossly understated. It doesn't make any sense to treat them well. It's much less efficient and the end product is worse. Anyone seeking to make a profit would be better served by just treating the animals like shit and that's no secret to people in the industry.

c hwat deed

 

[420MuNkEy]

You made a statement that didn't have a point because it wasn't an argument.

How about this:

The issues of animal mistreatment are grossly understated. It doesn't make any sense to treat them well. It's much less efficient and the end product is worse. Anyone seeking to make a profit would be better served by just treating the animals like shit and that's no secret to people in the industry.

c hwat deed

That's just demonstrably false

 

[Cherry Cola]

That's just demonstrably false

Your sources are only relevant if we presume quality is desired over quantity.

 

[420MuNkEy]

Your sources are only relevant if we presume quality is desired over quantity.

Efficiency is quantity. Both quantity and Quality are improved with good animal welfare.

You can't process much meat if you spend all day beating the shit out of the cows and trying to get them to move where you want them.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Okay how come that's not the way intensive animal farming works then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intensive_animal_farming

 

[420MuNkEy]

Okay how come that's not the way intensive animal farming works then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intensive_animal_farming

It's not as efficient or healthy, which is why it's not as common in the US as it is in places like China and India.

I'm not denying that mistreatment exists, I'm saying it's grossly overstated (with "in the US" implied).

 

[Ixoziel]

I try not to eat meat, but relatives often buy it for me, and then I eat it. Better than it going to waste. I never buy any myself, I usually subsist on protein bars / veggie buritos / fruit / green tea / diet soda. I've seen the videos of chicken factories, and it's pretty disgusting how they're treated.

However, I can't help but notice that eating meat, especially beef, makes me feel a lot better mentally and physically. I've tried supplementing for the nutrients that are in meat, but it's not the same.

I don't understand the argument that "plants are alive too, so why discriminate?". Plants don't feel pain, and they don't undergo torture in slaughterhouses. I suggest watching some of the videos. I'm fairly unemotional, but I dislike seeing that kind of cruelty.

With that being said, I can't really judge people that buy and eat meat. Why? I have cats, so I always have to buy meat for them. I also have an ongoing chick-fil-a addiction.

 

[420MuNkEy]

I don't understand the argument that "plants are alive too, so why discriminate?". Plants don't feel pain, and they don't undergo torture in slaughterhouses. I suggest watching some of the videos. I'm fairly unemotional, but I dislike seeing that kind of cruelty. With that being said, I can't really judge people that buy and eat meat. Why? I have cats, so I always have to buy meat for them. I also have an ongoing chick-fil-a addiction.

Plants respond to threats and damage. Whether or not you choose to recognize this as "pain" or "traumatic" is up to you.
Plants Respond to Leaf Vibrations Caused by Insects’ Chewing, MU Study Finds on Vimeo


The abuses of animal welfare are the extreme minority in raising livestock in the developed world.
They exist and they're paraded around by nutbags like PETA, but they are the exception, not the rule.

It doesn't make any sense to mistreat your animals. Sure, they don't live ideal lives,
but they're not really tortured or abused by anyone with a vested interest in turning a profit.

Here's a clip from Horizon's recent coverage on this topic, addressing "factory farming" of chickens specifically.
Again, not an ideal life, but hardly abusive.
http://weshare.me/8c5cf2f60f95f529/Horizon.How.to.Feed.the.Planet-clip.mkv

*Edit: Changed video host

 

[littleanubis]

My body has severe iron and b12 absorption issues as it is. I think a vegan diet would kill me 0.0
I've tried being vegetarian and I gave it up, I just felt too weak even when taking a ton of vitamins.

 

[Lmao_Zedong]

I have an underweight BMI. Don't have much of an appetite either. Eating conscientiously enough to become vegetarian resulted in me losing 10 pounds in a month.

 

[nanook]

If you quit fatty food, like oil or animal products, you have to eat a much larger volume of food to get the same calories.

And you may need more calories than you think you do. I used to think that 1800kcal was about right for me, based on the fact, that i experienced weight gain, whenever i ate more. But 1800 is the starvation boundary, it's where totally miserable turns into 'barely bearable with caffeine'. And above 1800 I was gaining weight due to my high setpoint, not because of overeating which is a false concept. The body simply won't burn 100% of the energy, but will store some, when it wants to and when you eat more than roughly 1800 (number is related to individual). So the weight gain says nothing about how much calories i need. I had to face the fact, that my body needs a minimum of 2700kcal to function in a healthy way. More when i exercise. And i have reached my unfortunately super high, setpoint and now my weight is stable. Changing the setpoint can never be achieved by calory restriction if it can be achieved at all.

If you eat enough calories, you do not feel weak (unless you have a disease, see below) and you do not have unhealthy weight loss. Vegans don't feel weak and they don't starve (veganbodybuilding com). You are doing it wrong. Allergic or goitrogenic foods can make you weak.

If you want a fattening food, because healthy-lean looks too alien for your liking, there are nuts. (And oils, which are unhealthy). If you think you can't digest nuts, you will get used to it. Even though digesting fatty food is always slow; meat is hanging in there for days.

If you have pernicious anemia (inability to transport b12 through the body), which is an auto immune disease, you need to find out, what triggers the disease and until then take b12 supplements. Relying on animal products, which might contain some b12 by accident (it comes from the earth, stock animals may not spend much time in the earth) is foolish.

"most common cause of pernicious anemia is the loss of stomach cells that make intrinsic factor [] The loss of parietal cells may be due to destruction by the body's own immune system. (medicinenet com)"

most common cause of broken stomach functionality is a diet that is lacking in plant fibers and full of processed shit. some common causes of immune issues are eggs and milk products. DNA that is similar to yours (animal DNA) is also generally a thread to your system.

"I'm going to kill you, because you ate all that vitamin b12 and i want it, but i don't want to eat earthy stuff myself. And i know that eating you will kill me slowly, but i don't care."

 

[B00Bz]

I like food way to much for that. Also my trainer doesn't think that's a good idea at all.

 

[glitch]

Attempting to bring this threat back to life because I just love to see people fall apart.
Have any of you even heard of defense mechanisms?

As for me: there is no excuse. I stopped lying to myself some time ago.

 

[Brontosaurie]

imma good ol idiot

 

[Fukyo]

Don't need an excuse.

 

[Sixup]

Because I'm not a religious nutjob.

 

[SolarCycler]

I am a vegan for months at times. But I wholeheartedly don't think it's the best choice for humans. The best omega-3s mainly come from oily fish, that means I get EPA and DHA. All the flaxseed or whatever, is only going to be giving me ALA. When seaweed omega-3 farms make good active omega-3 cheap, then vegan is a good option. I just need so much more research on cheese to decide to be vegan at that point.

I try to get those religious nutjobs to not eat the meats their book talks about. Down with pigs! They are evil!

 

[Lapis Lazuli]

Bacon!

 

[Brontosaurie]

I am a vegan for months at times. But I wholeheartedly don't think it's the best choice for humans. The best omega-3s mainly come from oily fish, that means I get EPA and DHA. All the flaxseed or whatever, is only going to be giving me ALA. When seaweed omega-3 farms make good active omega-3 cheap, then vegan is a good option. I just need so much more research on cheese to decide to be vegan at that point.

I try to get those religious nutjobs to not eat the meats their book talks about. Down with pigs! They are evil!

fish is kinda like car juice, it's pretty much a vapor. same cold flush. it keeps you hydraulic, but you need to get arboreal.

 

[Grayman]

I'm providing many more cows an opportunity to live. If no one ate meat cows would be a much smaller population. Everyone dies at some point but not everyone has the opportunity to life.

 

[Sinny91]

I'm too poor and in ill of a position to attempt being vegan.

 

[Lapis Lazuli]

I'm too poor and ...

Excellent swat at an elite ideology!

 

[Sinny91]

Excellent swat at an elite ideology!

Oh, to escape the intricate hegemonic system..

 

[Seteleechete]

But think of all the poor sheep that wouldn't be born if not to be eaten by me.

WHY WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE SHEEP!?!

 

[Perfectly Normal Beast]

I'm too poor

i find myself questioning the integrity of someone using this easily dispelled myth as justification for anything.

But think of all the poor sheep that wouldn't be born if not to be eaten by me.

WHY WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE SHEEP!?!

XD

 

[Sinny91]

i find myself questioning the integrity of someone using this easily dispelled myth as justification for anything.



XD

What have my dietary habits got to do with my honesty and morals?

 

[Inquisitor]

Haven't figured out a way to be vegan w/o becoming emaciated.

 

[Brontosaurie]

What have my dietary habits got to do with my honesty and morals?

you're saying meat is cheap. it's not. strange to see someone that knows the inner workings of every esoteric power mechanism but is unaware of the very basic and very important life fact that legumes make a cheap protein source.

food value is not measured in bacon yummy-tummy-feelz, it's measured in calories and nutrients.

 

[EditorOne]

Vegetarian: An Algonquin word for "bad hunter."

Sorry. A little humor seemed appropriate.

 

[SolarCycler]

I'm too poor and in ill of a position to attempt being vegan.

Please denote sarcasm in the future, if that's what it was. Vegan/vegetarian is the cheapest form of food that the majority of the worlds population subsists on. Eating like a Cuban(think rice and beans), you can get food costs down to less than $1 a day in the US. I'm not even going to go on about how it helps ill people, only taking the bait halfway :P

 

[Yellow]

I fluctuated between vegan and vegetarian for a number of years when I was younger and for brief periods in my late 20s. I did it because I never really cared for meat, seafood, or most animal byproducts, and so it seemed wasteful. Why kill if you get no satisfaction from it?

I just couldn't get enough calories. I wasn't going to poison myself with sugar, starches, and hydrogenated oils to keep my weight up, and I didn't want to spend my entire day stuffing my face.

So I learned to cook meat so it actually tastes good, and I discovered the awesomeness that is whole chocolate milk. Now, I don't have to eat nearly as much.

 

[Sinny91]

you're saying meat is cheap. it's not. strange to see someone that knows the inner workings of every esoteric power mechanism but is unaware of the very basic and very important life fact that legumes make a cheap protein source.

food value is not measured in bacon yummy-tummy-feelz, it's measured in calories and nutrients.

No, I'm saying what I typed.
It's all relative, I have an unlimited free supply of meat, presuming I'm not to fussy in regards to what sort. Same as the vegan game, I could potentially live of rice and beans, but I don't want to lol. The good stuff costs money, typically. I bet it's cheaper for me get some discount burgers and chips for the week before it is making a weeks worth of fulfilling meals with god knows how many vegan ingrediants...
I'm measuring my shit by yummy-tummy-feelz.

Before this goes any further, title discussion is 'favorite excuse'.

Your sarcasms rather wasted, I never professed to 'know it all', and what I do know is worlds apart from bloody cookery.

 

[Minuend]

I just couldn't get enough calories. I wasn't going to poison myself with sugar, starches, and hydrogenated oils to keep my weight up, and I didn't want to spend my entire day stuffing my face.

I think you might have missed out on a few food sources if you didn't get enough calories. Or maybe you just didn't like them.

Macadamia nuts are approx 700kcal pr 100g
Pecans 690kcal
Almonds 630kcal

Quinoa and amaranth 380 and 370kcal

Canola, olive and coconut oils are approximately 120kcal per tablespoon (should be possible to find versions that are acceptable regarding hydrogenation. Some olive oils are not hydrogenated, they can last 2-3 years without if "pure" oil).

etc

 

[Rook]

But I say at least I say I'll die a delicious, salty, crunchy, chewy, flavorful death.

Well, I dont a need a bloody excuse if I can simply quote the habdoc.

 

[SolarCycler]

I cook yummy-tummy-feelz vegan that is so good I lick the plate clean, and maybe the pot or pan too. It even saves time, water, and soap from washing dishes. I cook things to be mainly Greek, Mexican, Spanish, and Italian like, and I think it's fusion when I use Sriracha. The key to cooking vegan is good fats, fats will satisfy your hunger and keep you full longer on the one condition you don't have a high sugar/quick carb intake along with the fats. You will probably have a rough time as your fat from food level gets too low, it's where a lot of people even mess up.

Don't judge vegan on meals you can buy in stores or food trucks or even restaurants. They all are making food visually first generally, scared to have some spices stronger due to some people being put off by them. Learn what you like in the way of spices, keep trying new things, and vegan becomes amazing.

If you also eliminate wheat and don't fry things actual crunchiness is rare, chewiness is probably best provided by dried fruits. If everyone ate vegan 6 days a week, the world would really change, we would have so much excess annual field plant-based production capabilities.

 

[Inquisitor]

I cook yummy-tummy-feelz vegan that is so good I lick the plate clean, and maybe the pot or pan too. It even saves time, water, and soap from washing dishes. I cook things to be mainly Greek, Mexican, Spanish, and Italian like, and I think it's fusion when I use Sriracha. The key to cooking vegan is good fats, fats will satisfy your hunger and keep you full longer on the one condition you don't have a high sugar/quick carb intake along with the fats. You will probably have a rough time as your fat from food level gets too low, it's where a lot of people even mess up.

Don't judge vegan on meals you can buy in stores or food trucks or even restaurants. They all are making food visually first generally, scared to have some spices stronger due to some people being put off by them. Learn what you like in the way of spices, keep trying new things, and vegan becomes amazing.

If you also eliminate wheat and don't fry things actual crunchiness is rare, chewiness is probably best provided by dried fruits. If everyone ate vegan 6 days a week, the world would really change, we would have so much excess annual field plant-based production capabilities.

How long have you been vegan?

 

[SolarCycler]

How long have you been vegan?

I followed a strict wheat exclusion vegan diet for about 18 months, where I learned to cook better. Now I'm one of those six days a week vegans, I think everyone should be--with the exception of fish oil. I've been having my cholesterol checked monthly and in great physical shape, eating great and feeling great, my HDL sank. The high omega-3(DHA/EPA) oil shot my HDL all the way up to the healthy level. Something flax seeds and walnuts could not do for me, both only providing AHA.

 

[TheAdditional1]

Because I don't like artificial limits.

 

[hush]

I was vegetarian, then vegan for an odd number of years, for varying reasons (ethical, environmental, personal, etc.). I was happy and healthy then and am similarly so now that I'm not adhering to vegetarianism/veganism.

I'm no longer a vegan because cheese.

 

[marie]

Even though veggies are good for your health I just dislike eating veggies. I don't like the taste.

 

[Yellow]

I think you might have missed out on a few food sources if you didn't get enough calories. Or maybe you just didn't like them.

Macadamia nuts are approx 700kcal pr 100g
Pecans 690kcal
Almonds 630kcal

Quinoa and amaranth 380 and 370kcal

You're probably right. If I could eat nuts (they hurt my tummy) or if I found quinoa palatable, it would have been more feasible.

I'm no longer a vegan because cheese.

Yes. Cheese can be very persuasive

 

[Analyzer]

Because cognitive dissonance. I understand it's bad to kill pets because of social conditioning and not farm animals since they are commodities.

 

[Happy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ60PDUuwsI