I want to roam the world and be free

[Rudolph Mondal]

It occurred to me that I don't really want to go to university and learn shit which I don't really care about all that much. I am a philosopher at heart. I want to roam the world, experience things, meet interesting people, while simultaneously working on my "unified framework which explains everything". And I mean it when I say that.

I could take a gap year but my parents are strongly against it. I think that if I continue on to university right after this, I'll probably end up failing all the courses or something and get kicked out. And that will just be a waste of time and money.

I guess I want to be a vagabond. I never felt at home anywhere. I simply don't fit in and I don't really want to.

Anyone here has any advice for me? Thanks.

 

[TimeAsylums]

It occurred to me that I don't really want to go to university and learn shit which I don't really care about all that much. I am a philosopher at heart. I want to roam the world, experience things, meet interesting people, while simultaneously working on my "unified framework which explains everything". And I mean it when I say that.

I could take a gap year but my parents are strongly against it. I think that if I continue on to university right after this, I'll probably end up failing all the courses or something and get kicked out. And that will just be a waste of time and money.

I guess I want to be a vagabond. I never felt at home anywhere. I simply don't fit in and I don't really want to.

Anyone here has any advice for me? Thanks.

[This]

is seemingly extremely common amongst NTPs (well, specifically (ASSUMING) INTP since you are one). Many a INTP 1 or 2 years into colegio, want to feel a break with it.

If your parents are against it, I don't know what you can do, but if you can talk about it with them and explain to them about why you think you would fail all of your courses and it would be a waste of $$ to go and fail, then perhaps they will let you continue at a later time.

In the past like four months, I'm sure I've seen ~5 threads on the exact same topic (perhaps there is something there, idk)


Personally, I wish I would have taken a gap year, like you are suggesting - it would have really helped me to get my shyt together, but yeah, try to convince them, talk to them. idk.

 

[Rudolph Mondal]

[This]

is seemingly extremely common amongst NTPs (well, specifically INTP since you are one). Many a INTP 1 or 2 years into colegio, want to feel a break with it.

If your parents are against it, I don't know what you can do, but if you can talk about it with them and explain to them about why you think you would fail all of your courses and it would be a waste of $$ to go and fail, then perhaps they will let you continue at a later time.

In the past like four months, I'm sure I've seen ~5 threads on the exact same topic (perhaps there is something there, idk)

Thanks for your reply. My parents won't understand, they're ISTJs. All they give a shit about is me graduating from university with a good degree, getting a good job and settling down and having kids.

I'm not like that. I've had a lot of conflicts with my parents because our worldviews are so different. But yeah, I'll give it another shot.

I'll look up the other threads. Anyway, I'm not depressed or anything. Just frustrated because there's so little opportunity for me to just explore and do my own shit.

 

[TimeAsylums]

Thanks for your reply. My parents won't understand, they're ISTJs. All they give a shit about is me graduating from university with a good degree, getting a good job and settling down and having kids.

I'm not like that. I've had a lot of conflicts with my parents because our worldviews are so different. But yeah, I'll give it another shot.

I'll look up the other threads. Anyway, I'm not depressed or anything. Just frustrated because there's so little opportunity for me to just explore and do my own shit.

sorry to hear that :/

The only other suggestion I could think to make would to be to take as few credits as possible per semester? Thereby giving you the most amount of freedom and little work

best of luck, keep updating

 

[Rudolph Mondal]

sorry to hear that :/

The only other suggestion I could think to make would to be to take as few credits as possible per semester? Thereby giving you the most amount of freedom and little work

best of luck, keep updating

That could work...but I think you have to complete a minimum number of credits in 4 years to graduate over here and I have a friend studying electrical engineering here and he told me every semester, even the first one, is worse than the few months leading up to the A levels. Singapore's like that. They don't give a shit about the person beneath. All they want are numbers, results.

I wish I could study philosophy or psychology instead but my grades aren't good enough. They don't let you major in anything you want here, you're allocated your majors by the grades you got and my grades qualify me for things like engineering and computer science...which are okayish, but I'm not too excited about.

 

[Absurdity]

I guess I want to be a vagabond. I never felt at home anywhere. I simply don't fit in and I don't really want to.

Anyone here has any advice for me? Thanks.

Pack a bag and skip town. You'll either liberate yourself or realize you're romanticizing vagabondhood.

 

[Rudolph Mondal]

Pack a bag and skip town. You'll either liberate yourself or realize you're romanticizing vagabondhood.

Maybe I should do just that. But got no money. :/ Anyway, I'm just venting my frustration. I'll probably end up going to university and then maybe get kicked out or something or miraculously pass my way through.

 

[Pyropyro]

If you're going to travel around the world then I suggest spending your money. Parents might not like the idea but if they know that you can take care of yourself then you'll probably have a better leverage when arguing with them.

Another route is to get enough good grades for a scholarship to study abroad. It will probably be a win-win for both you and your family.

 

[Rook]

Are you interested in physics?
If not, what do you mean by unified theory of everything?

 

[Rudolph Mondal]

Another route is to get enough good grades for a scholarship to study abroad. It will probably be a win-win for both you and your family.

I've had it with school. Pretty bummed by it.

 

[Rudolph Mondal]

Are you interested in physics?
If not, what do you mean by unified theory of everything?

Not really interested in understanding physical phenomena. A unified framework for explaining mental phenomena (which can actually not explain, but give rise to physical phenomena but that's a bit too controversial to discuss here)

 

[TimeAsylums]

A unified framework for explaining mental phenomena (which can actually not explain, but give rise to physical phenomena but that's a bit too controversial to discuss here)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_science ?

 

[Pyropyro]

I've had it with school. Pretty bummed by it.

Well I just hope you have plans on how to earn money in the future. The academic and the non-academic ways of finding a means of earning money are both hard anyways.

 

[Rudolph Mondal]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_science ?

Cognitive science treats the mind as separate from the rest of the universe. The way I see it, the mind is the universe.

 

[Rudolph Mondal]

Well I just hope you have plans on how to earn money in the future. The academic and the non-academic ways of finding a means of earning money are both hard anyways.

Maybe...maybe not. I don't think I'll pull the plug though. The world is much too interesting for me to do so. I'll just wander and flow along with the currents of life. People take life too seriously, in my opinion. I do too, which is why I'm at my current state of dissatisfaction.

 

[TimeAsylums]

Cognitive science treats the mind as separate from the rest of the universe. The way I see it, the mind is the universe.

ok then

 

[Rudolph Mondal]

ok then

Well, I've been quite dissatisfied with most philosophies and systems of thought. They seem to get at something and are very good for exploring that particular something but leave out the rest or take them for granted. So I'm going to try and piece together, from various sources, a worldview that addresses the questions I care about. So far, I've been trying to reconcile the pattern recognition theory of mind with panpsychism. It works very well with solipsism but solipsism isn't really all that useful/interesting and taking it too seriously kind of puts me off.

 

[Rook]

Study abroad.

Perhaps that combines the best of both worlds in your case?
You travel to a new country, and after three years in that country, you attain a degree for the purpose to fund your travels.

One needs money to roam the world, unfortunate yet true, and having something behind your name can provide a financial base for your wanderings.

 

[greenspace]

Study abroad.

Perhaps that combines the best of both worlds in your case?
You travel to a new country, and after three years in that country, you attain a degree for the purpose to fund your travels.

One needs money to roam the world, unfortunate yet true, and having something behind your name can provide a financial base for your wanderings.

I agree with what he said. If you truly believe that travelling or "roaming" is important enough to jeopardise your education/future, then its a good idea. Or you could try an online degree. A college diploma opens up an incredible amount of doors.

 

[Base groove]

Pack a bag and skip town. You'll either liberate yourself or realize you're romanticizing vagabondhood.

It's 'vagrancy' . . .

Advice to Rudy - follow Absurdity's advice.

 

[Ex-User (9086)]

Maybe...maybe not. I don't think I'll pull the plug though. The world is much too interesting for me to do so. I'll just wander and flow along with the currents of life. People take life too seriously, in my opinion. I do too, which is why I'm at my current state of dissatisfaction.

Y'see, I have had some similar thoughts on becoming a vagabond, etc.

You know what happens? You don't do anything with that, you are too weak or you lack determination.

I thought that floating is the best scenario, however floating makes you play in someone elses game.

Do something, study, leave your parents, earn money. As of now, you have not really done anything and you just toy with ideas, while you have no experience to tell what suits you best.

Floating in the current is not freedom, create your current or start using the oars.

 

[Absurdity]

Maybe I should do just that. But got no money. :/

You think vagabonds stay in hotels?

Anyway, I'm just venting my frustration. I'll probably end up going to university and then maybe get kicked out or something or miraculously pass my way through.

I'm glad I'm not a teenager anymore.

 

[Architect]

Go for it, the space under bridges is free.

I had the idea to do that once, did some research on it. There was a German guy who did so, took his bike and started touring the world. Made pocket change by selling copies of his story and pictures occasionally, somehow managed to live on essentially nothing. Last I heard his eyes were shot (too much being outdoors without sunglasses) and couldn't afford surgery.

Then another guy is Dan Price. For the most part lives on very little, makes money by self publishing some stuff. You can find him on Amazon. He lives in a hole.

 

[greenspace]

It occurred to me that I don't really want to go to university and learn shit which I don't really care about all that much. I am a philosopher at heart. I want to roam the world, experience things, meet interesting people, while simultaneously working on my "unified framework which explains everything". And I mean it when I say that.

I could take a gap year but my parents are strongly against it. I think that if I continue on to university right after this, I'll probably end up failing all the courses or something and get kicked out. And that will just be a waste of time and money.

I guess I want to be a vagabond. I never felt at home anywhere. I simply don't fit in and I don't really want to.

Anyone here has any advice for me? Thanks.

I actually did this. I was enrolled in a good college and decided to drop out and travel just 40 credits short of my diploma. It was a roller coaster in all senses. I went from up to down to up to down and on and on. The reason I decided to do that was to get away for a while from my life ( I was getting As and Fs in school, Go Figure) but also to learn because travelling is a good learning experience.

One thing I learnt is that you cant outrun your problems, if you have personal character flaws, they will keep on following you. However, and this is where it gets tricky, there is a lot of luck on the road. There is good luck and there is really bad luck. If you are travelling to get some space away away from criticism and maybe a fresh start, you might be lucky enough to be in a situation or meet a person that can help you learn about yourself and grow as a person but more than likely you might be stuck in a bad situation whereby you only have time and energy to think of where your next meal is gonna come from. For me, there was both and sometimes the fluctuations were incredibly wild. I am not sure that was a good thing.

In hindsight, there was no real reason to leave. I still had a long time on this earth to travel and explore the earth. My situation at home/school was not really that bad, I was really young and stupid and did not realise how good I had it so there was really no reason to leave.

But if I had to do it again, I will. I learnt so much and gained some experience that I doubt I would have been able to get if I had stayed put. Also when I left, I still had a source of income although that dried up some months later. I will advice you that if you have space at home or in your city, use that space, learn a lot about yourself and get some financial security, grow as a person and then travel and explore the world.

 

[Rudolph Mondal]

Thanks for the advice guys. I really appreciate the comments.

I wish I could take a gap year to sort things out but my parents are really closed minded about it.

And I don't really want to jeopardize the relationship I have with my parents for all of this.

I guess I'll continue on to university, albeit reluctantly, and try to pay attention to the stuff they teach.

I don't really see how my plan to explore the world will work out. All I have are dreams and ideas, not concrete plans.

In any case, my frustration has morphed into a kind of sadness coupled with apathy.

I'll try to sleep it away.

But yes, thanks for all your help. The people here are really nice and helpful.

 

[kora]

I want to do something similar, right now I study philosophy in uni though, and I know for a fact that I have not reached sufficient levels of autonomy to vagabond. Uni is worthwhile, not interested in the degree but you have to learn to work by yourself and structure your days and plans and stuff before you give yourself complete freedom. There is definitely valuable knowledge in the pedantic academic stuff. And even more valuable knowledge in the structure that is imposed on you.

So for now, I study (somewhat), learn to take care of myself, and learn to make money. I should be ready in two years or so. Of course there's always a chance that by then I'll decide what I really want is babies and blankets but I hope not.

Go to uni for a bit until you're independent, study something related to mind theory or cognitive sciences and stuff, then piss off wherever, once you're an independent adult your parents can't stop you anyway.

On another note, Have you read any David Chalmers?

 

[digitalbum]

Ok looks like you're from Singapore. How's your english?

You can ABSOLUTELY, and it's surprisingly easy, teach English in many foreign countries.

MANY, MANY of my friends do this, myself included. It's a wonderful way to travel and be independent. Many schools will hire you and fly you out without a face to face interview.

There's also WWOOFING. I haven't tried this myself, but basically there's organic farms all over the world that you get room and board and can just travel from farm to farm.

 

[digitalbum]

Thanks for the advice guys. I really appreciate the comments.

I wish I could take a gap year to sort things out but my parents are really closed minded about it.

And I don't really want to jeopardize the relationship I have with my parents for all of this.

I guess I'll continue on to university, albeit reluctantly, and try to pay attention to the stuff they teach.

I don't really see how my plan to explore the world will work out. All I have are dreams and ideas, not concrete plans.

In any case, my frustration has morphed into a kind of sadness coupled with apathy.

I'll try to sleep it away.

But yes, thanks for all your help. The people here are really nice and helpful.

BTW, what are you 20? 21? Christ kid, you have no idea how young that is. I'm 30, and yes, have travelled the world. But plan on doing MUCH more of it.

 

[Rudolph Mondal]

On another note, Have you read any David Chalmers?

I have, actually. I read "The conscious mind" last year and it made a big influence on me.

 

[Rudolph Mondal]

Ok looks like you're from Singapore. How's your english?

You can ABSOLUTELY, and it's surprisingly easy, teach English in many foreign countries.

MANY, MANY of my friends do this, myself included. It's a wonderful way to travel and be independent. Many schools will hire you and fly you out without a face to face interview.

There's also WWOOFING. I haven't tried this myself, but basically there's organic farms all over the world that you get room and board and can just travel from farm to farm.

My english is...I've written a number of posts here on intpforum so I'll let you decide.

I was thinking about that actually. I know someone who's teaching english in japan and studied computer science at university and he seems pretty happy where he is. Also, languages are somewhat fascinating to me. WWOOFING sounds cool. I'll look into that too.

But in any case, my parents want me to complete a degree first. They won't have two ways about it.

Also, I'm 19 turning 20 soon.

 

[digitalbum]

My english is...I've written a number of posts here on intpforum so I'll let you decide.

I was thinking about that actually. I know someone who's teaching english in japan and studied computer science at university and he seems pretty happy where he is. Also, languages are somewhat fascinating to me. WWOOFING sounds cool. I'll look into that too.

But in any case, my parents want me to complete a degree first. They won't have two ways about it.

Also, I'm 19 turning 20 soon.

Not to take away from your very real stress, but sounds like you still have plenty of time. It's good that you are thinking ahead. I've heard teaching in Japan is pretty awesome, but also that their cost of living is a lot more.

Just my personal experience, I have about 10 friends that have taught in Korea, where the cost of living is WAY lower and money goes a LOT farther. Same with Taiwan, where I myself, have taught. It was AWESOME. Especially since I'm more of a tropical weather, beach guy. 25 hour work weeks, plenty of money, scuba diving on the weekends or trips to the beach to camp or whatever. Short, cheap flights to other exotic places in the region.

Sounds like you're journey's just in the infant stages. Good luck! (oh, and just tell them you're american. I knew a polish guy with the most polish accent that told schools he was american, and he got like10 times more job offers, haha).

 

[NormannTheDoorman]

This reminds me of what Ralph Waldo Emmerson did ( I think it was him).

You should come up with plans on what to do if scenario X comes up or if scenario A and B somehow intertwine.

 

[Cesare]

I'm 19 and in college, and I have similar thoughts. I would really love to wander the world and see it all. My dream is to be a traveling Diogenes, but I don't have the balls or the money to do so right now. Which reminds me, this guy might interest you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes_of_Sinope

 

[Variform]

It occurred to me that I don't really want to go to university and learn shit which I don't really care about all that much. I am a philosopher at heart. I want to roam the world, experience things, meet interesting people, while simultaneously working on my "unified framework which explains everything". And I mean it when I say that.

I could take a gap year but my parents are strongly against it. I think that if I continue on to university right after this, I'll probably end up failing all the courses or something and get kicked out. And that will just be a waste of time and money.

I guess I want to be a vagabond. I never felt at home anywhere. I simply don't fit in and I don't really want to.

Anyone here has any advice for me? Thanks.

I know an american guy who lives in France, was married to a French woman, who had a paying job. He got divorced. He didn't like his life. He became a juggler. Haven't mailed with him in over a year. I should. I think he was happy doing something completely different.

He might not even have internet. He was going vagabond, or so I think he was.

I am like you. Not that I would prefer to roam and meet people, since I have too much social anxiety to do so. Except when I speak English, than I can relax a little. I met people in the usa, visited them.

Speaking English acts as a filter. Expressing myself is easier in another language. It is a psycho-trick alright. Maybe I could roam and speak to people.

But I too just want to be left alone by culture and work on my own TOE.

I guess I wanna be a damn millionaire. Than things get easy. You become independent. Travel where you like. Meet people. Get new insights. Work the models.

But lately I just want to die mostly. Fuck people. What can they tell me? All I want is to be loved by a woman in the same way I love her. Which would be akin to a nuke going off in your head every second. What models are of any use when every second you are giving birth to a Big Bang, spawning off a new universe, in which there may develop life, a species with the capacity to love?

Model building might be the pastime for the insane.

 

[Base groove]

Sounds like you're journey's just in the infant stages.

You were paid to teach English?

 

[digitalbum]

You were paid to teach English?

Never heard of that before?


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[digitalbum]

@base groove

Never heard of that before? Ahh, I see, it was an attemp at a subtle jab at my grammar. Because I find it a very good use of my time to review whether I used "your" or "you're" on a friggin forum. Because I really don't know the difference.


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[Base groove]

Your right sorry.

 

[digitalbum]

Your right sorry.

ur a goober.

 

[Pizzabeak]

I want to have sex with one different person each day.

 

[Base groove]

I want to have sex with one different person each day.

Pizzabeak is now ENFP as well.

 

[digitalbum]

I want to have sex with one different person each day.

If you're a woman, this should be rather easy.

If you're a rich man, this should be rather easy.

If you're a rich man, living where prostitution is easily accessed, then this should be completely within the realm of possibility. Right now, today, go get started.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I want to have sex with one different person each day.

Cosplay.

 

[Pizzabeak]

What makes you think I don't have standards, though. Beggars can't be choosers?

Initially it would seem to take way too much energy and sacrifice, if I was ENFP it would have been no issue by now, not that it's even a major concern

Make me work for it. Seems mostly a question of if you're worthy enough to actually be interested and spend time around one another, excluding moments where personal space seems more comfortable or time worthy

 

[digitalbum]

What makes you think I don't have standards, though. Beggars can't be choosers?

Initially it would seem to take way too much energy and sacrifice, if I was ENFP it would have been no issue by now, not that it's even a major concern

Make me work for it. Seems mostly a question of if you're worthy enough to actually be interested and spend time around one another, excluding moments where personal space seems more comfortable or time worthy

For starters, you said "I want to have sex with one different person each day."

Now, if you had said "I want to have sex with one different person OF QUALITY each day," well, different response.

 

[Pizzabeak]

That should have been assumed via common sense

 

[digitalbum]

That should have been assumed via common sense

So common sense dictates that every woman seeks quality men to sleep with, and that women who just wanna fuck whoever, perhaps because of extremely low self-esteem don't exist?

Gotya.

 

[Pizzabeak]

Yes, that is cs

Women are attracted to power

Even if a broad did want to sleep with whoever via low self esteem or recently broke up with male friend she would ideally seek a quality male rather than a below threshold option, yes taking into account some inevitable randomness that is oh so a staple of our existence
But still


If someone wanted to sleep with whoever what would be the point of posting about it if it could have easily been done... Does this mean people have different difficulties accomplishing a goal? I think everyone of all shape and creed has an equal opportunity with everyone

 

[digitalbum]

Yes, that is cs

Women are attracted to power

Even if a broad did want to sleep with whoever via low self esteem or recently broke up with male friend she would ideally seek a quality male rather than a below threshold option, yes taking into account some inevitable randomness that is oh so a staple of our existence
But still


If someone wanted to sleep with whoever what would be the point of posting about it if it could have easily been done... Does this mean people have different difficulties accomplishing a goal? I think everyone of all shape and creed has an equal opportunity with everyone

Haha, ok if you're going to defend your original statement to the death, fine. Alls I'm sayin is you could have been more specific.


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[Rudolph Mondal]

Hello there, people of the wider world.

Just for the heck of it, I've gotten over whatever I was feeling when I started this thread. I'm interested in computers again, which mainly came back to me after I started reading Cryptonomicon by Neal Stephenson. Or was it the other way around?

I've learned much in this short time period. I learned that although philosophizing about things can be fun, it's more likely to drive one unhappy if one probes too much. So I'll just enjoy things the way they and hope no one will ask me questions on the nature of reality or heaven forbid- consciousness.

I also learned that emotional reactions arised due to evolutionary pressures which are more or less no longer relevant in today's world. So instead of focusing on what my emotions tell me, I should just get on with life and do things. Emotions, I've come to see, are really pretty useless, even positive ones.

Hmm...I should go read the emotion machine by Marvin Minsky as soon as I'm done with Cryptonomicon.

Oh, and thanks for taking your time to read this. Social niceties and all, you know.