Anyone on INTPc?

[EmergingAlbert]

I just joined INTP Central a few days ago, and honestly, I'm quite unimpressed. I can certainly see the appeal of it, which is why I joined in the first place. The arcade runs smoother, there's a chat room, and there are a lot more subfora. The reason I'm so unimpressed is that nobody ever replies to my threads. This forum just seems to be a more interactive community. At INTP Central, I sometimes have to wait an entire day before I receive a response to a post. The UI is a bit strange too...you actually have to click a link to get to the forum. The home page is basically...nothing. Why do you have to click the "Forum" button to get to the forum when the entire site is basically just that...a forum?

Just a little rant, but has anyone else had this unimpressive experience with that site? I would assume that may be the reason many of you chose this forum over it. Also, if you are a member over there, feel free to comment on my threads and posts. My username over there is Eye in Teepee. Someone please cure my INTPc boredom. The only thing I'm not bored with there is the Tetris game.

 

[Architect]

I left it for this site. People seem to like me here, over there it was more dislike. Bringing up interesting comments and discussions is looked down on, in favor of one-upmanship, cliques and jokes/gags. The 'feel' of the forum is very much like Sensor heavy forums I've been on, in that if you don't fit in exactly to the group they snub you off. For this and other reasons I think most prominent members are probably more ISTP's than INTP's.

 

[EmergingAlbert]

For this and other reasons I think most prominent members are probably more ISTP's than INTP's.

Interesting observation...most of the members I've seen as of yet claim to be INTP's on their profiles (which doesn't mean they actually are, of course). I would wonder why they aren't on an ISTP forum instead, if that is the case, although I'm not sure if such a forum exists.

 

[Kuu]

FYI, the reason this forum exists is because the founders were dissatisfied with INTPc, so to speak...

However I do think this forum would be better if it took a day (or a week) to get replies to threads, as it once was. Different dynamics at play. Alas, 'tis impossible to go back now.

 

[EmergingAlbert]

FYI, the reason this forum exists is because the founders were dissatisfied with INTPc, so to speak...

Were their reasons for their dissatisfaction the same as mine?

However I do think this forum would be better if it took a day (or a week) to get replies to threads, as it once was. Different dynamics at play. Alas, 'tis impossible to go back now.

Why would that be good? I like that I can get instant replies here.

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

I found this forum first and joined rather impulsively. I wasn't very familiar with forums prior. I saw mention of central here and went to look. It wasn't impressive to me and that was that. Never looked again. Not much to dismiss a community on I admit but since time isn't limitless for a mere mortal, I have to pick and choose how best to waste it.

 

[Jennywocky]

I just joined INTP Central a few days ago, and honestly, I'm quite unimpressed. I can certainly see the appeal of it, which is why I joined in the first place. The arcade runs smoother, there's a chat room, and there are a lot more subfora. The reason I'm so unimpressed is that nobody ever replies to my threads. This forum just seems to be a more interactive community. At INTP Central, I sometimes have to wait an entire day before I receive a response to a post.

I think the forum is slower than here.

Also, you are a n00b there, and the n00bs typically are ignored. There have been discussions about it, but basically it's just the forum tone. You have to persist in posting to prove yourself, and eventually (MAYBE) people end up engaging you. This place is more open to newcomers IMO.

That forum used to be far more active 3-4 years ago, and with far more many members. But nowadays it just seems to be a small select circle of posters, so equate it to walking into your local bar where everyone knows each other and it's "their place," and they need time to warm up to you.

Just a little rant, but has anyone else had this unimpressive experience with that site? I would assume that may be the reason many of you chose this forum over it. Also, if you are a member over there, feel free to comment on my threads and posts. My username over there is Eye in Teepee. Someone please cure my INTPc boredom. The only thing I'm not bored with there is the Tetris game.

My userid is the same there as here. But I rarely go there. I make a post there probably 3-4 times a month. Which sucks, considering I'm a 10,000+ post member over there, but it just isn't interesting for me anymore. I mean, I'm a long-time member (I think my join date was sept 2006), but I typically don't get any response over there either, another reason why i left.

Bringing up interesting comments and discussions is looked down on, in favor of one-upmanship, cliques and jokes/gags. The 'feel' of the forum is very much like Sensor heavy forums I've been on, in that if you don't fit in exactly to the group they snub you off. For this and other reasons I think most prominent members are probably more ISTP's than INTP's.

I agree with this. Many of the members seem to be more ISTP with that wary/paranoid Tert Ni thing going.

It's a shame. It did not used to be that way. it was actually the first forum I found where I felt at home and had many engaging conversations with people. But the majority of them are long gone now.

Not much to dismiss a community on I admit but since time isn't limitless for a mere mortal, I have to pick and choose how best to waste it.

I think that's a valid point. I mean, when I joined over there, I was searching for people to talk to (I needed people who could understand me), and a lot of my time was spent online. That is very different than today.

People say that if you don't feel like you fit into a place, then you should try to change it and invest a bunch of time to make yourself fit. I think that makes sense if you have the time to commit; but some of us now only have a bit of time and need a place to plug into, not what amounts to a long-term commitment to establishing ourselves online somewhere in particular.

 

[BigApplePi]

INTPc vs INTP?

I don't know INTPc, but it this Forum works, why not? I like that new members are welcomed and responded to. It's a good thing to build a foundation.

There will always be a turnover and lose good people. I miss Agent Intellect. He's been absent since July. Maybe his school environment has changed.

Yes Kuu. Dynamics would be different if responses took one week. Is that what you mean? However there are all kinds of interchanges. Some are just funning. Those work well if there are spontaneous replies. Some threads can gather a lot of people; some require lots of thought.

I like that this Forum acknowledges other types ... with an INTP foundation. When different types appear everyone can benefit by the contrast and INTP's don't get too self occupied. That works as long as there is not too much strife.

 

[EmergingAlbert]

My userid is the same there as here. But I rarely go there.

I just friended you there, so maybe that'll get you back :-P

Also, I like the profile picture...you're actually pretty attractive :-)

 

[Jennywocky]

I just friended you there, so maybe that'll get you back :-P

Also, I like the profile picture...you're actually pretty attractive :-)

Lol, thanks! That's my "winter" pic. I have a few others over there too.

Dynamics would be different if responses took one week. Is that what you mean? However there are all kinds of interchanges. Some are just funning. Those work well if there are spontaneous replies. Some threads can gather a lot of people; some require lots of thought.

I would expect an INTP forum to have a mix of both fun and serious topics. If you get too much of one and not enough of another, you will start to lose members who need the missing aspect.

Time restraints sometimes contribute to the approach that is seen, since maybe some members only have time for shorter replies, or are here to have fun vs investing some serious thought. Others want more depth and have the time to invest. I find I usually mix humor with my seriousness and vice versa.

I think over there, there's just a lot more short pithy answers rather than serious replies, and serious replies are more, "Here is what I've always thought, and I'm not really willing to reconsider." That's not the way it used to be; it used to be hardcore, true, and you had to be able to really support your ideas, but people would be writing pages upon pages of ideas and discussions on a huge variety of topics. Now it's more a casual hangout of regulars.

I've found people here to actually be very patient and open. Case in point is the Pod'Lair thing, since despite any criticism of the theory it mostly all seems to be relevant criticism, and instead of letting it go, people have actually gone out of their way to review video footage and give appropriate feedback.

 

[EmergingAlbert]

Lol, thanks! That's my "winter" pic. I have a few others over there too.

Haha, I just noticed that you had a photo here as well...I didn't realize you could do that here. I actually like your INTPf photo better than your INTPc one. I didn't realize INTP's could actually be attractive...I thought we were all a bunch of nerds! Thanks for proving me wrong.

 

[Jennywocky]

Haha, I just noticed that you had a photo here as well...I didn't realize you could do that here. I actually like your INTPf photo better than your INTPc one. I didn't realize INTP's could actually be attractive...I thought we were all a bunch of nerds! Thanks for proving me wrong.

Forgot I had that one here. I like that one better too, and it's more recent.

you'd be surprised at the range. If you ever go on PersCafe, there's a number of female INTPs of various ages, with some who are very pretty. There is some range of care, it probably depends on exact type makeup; your hardcore T's with little focus elsewhere probably care the least. Since I have an artistic bent / aesthetic element to my personality, while I'm flexible about it, I like to tailor my appearance to suit who I feel I am. But I wouldn't dream of spending an hour (or even a total of half an hour) putting on makeup. Usually 5 minutes on my hair, and 5 minutes on makeup.

 

[EmergingAlbert]

Since I have an artistic bent / aesthetic element to my personality, while I'm flexible about it, I like to tailor my appearance to suit who I feel I am.

You know, that makes me wonder if INTP's or INTJ's put more effort into their appearance. On one hand, like you said, P's tend to be more artistic and creative, which would make them more likely to care about aesthetic beauty. On the other hand, J's tend to be more structured and organized, so that would make them be more willing to set aside a certain time in the day for their personal grooming. I've never met any female INTJ's, so it's hard to judge, but I do know a couple of male INTJ's. One of them I would consider more attractive than myself, and the other I would consider less attractive. But then again, I'm a heterosexual male, so it's harder for me to judge male attractiveness.

 

[CanuckTux]

I just joined INTP Central a few days ago, and honestly, I'm quite unimpressed. I can certainly see the appeal of it, which is why I joined in the first place. The arcade runs smoother, there's a chat room, and there are a lot more subfora. The reason I'm so unimpressed is that nobody ever replies to my threads. This forum just seems to be a more interactive community. At INTP Central, I sometimes have to wait an entire day before I receive a response to a post. The UI is a bit strange too...you actually have to click a link to get to the forum. The home page is basically...nothing. Why do you have to click the "Forum" button to get to the forum when the entire site is basically just that...a forum?

Well if you really want the fast responses, maybe reddit.com/r/intp would be more your thing. Relatively empty compared to this forum. I found this INTP forum to have many more long term posters, the core of a good community. The hugeness of reddit in general means you don't really recognize that many posters.

P.S., I'm new here and hop to be an active member of the community.

 

[Chad]

I started out in INTPc I left to come here after I got a temporary band for calling out the Admins unwillingness to deal with flaming posters. I wasn't very popular there partly because I was new and didn't realize that it was taboo to post one real name, photo, and posting my IQ on on my signature. Also I have a tendency to have sloppy spelling and sometime I write so fast I miss words in my sentences making them harder to interpenetrate. Many of the more J, and E, and S, types there didn't really care for my posting style and started coping my personal photos and spreading lies about me all over the forum. I didn't care for this so I reported them the Admin one of them named Works siad that they were perfectly in there right to act like this. I disagreed with this but when someone started a thread about how stupid I was I decided that I was going to get myself banned or force the admin to ban the 5 or 6 members that wouldn't let the issues drop. Work decided to put me in Purgatory instead and I a called him a pussy so he banned would ban me. The reason they told everyone I was banned was for the inappropriate use of the report function.

I think I will stay here as even the people that don't agree with me are still respectful. I come across as over sensitive too. I really not but I don't no any batter way to express my distaste on an online forum.

 

[Jennywocky]

well, I'll say that at INTPc there is no real punishment for "flaming" -- you can be as obnoxious and condescending as you like, but just don't be illogical and/or all N without any T. Those are the types of people who get banned or stuck in purgatory. If people were making fun of your signature and the personal info you were posting, that's why... and that's allowable on that site. You have to grasp the culture to fit in.

A lot of the membership seems more ISTP there. This site seems more N-ish than that site, overall. Rarely do people get banned here either, permanently.

 

[Chad]

well, I'll say that at INTPc there is no real punishment for "flaming" -- you can be as obnoxious and condescending as you like, but just don't be illogical and/or all N without any T. Those are the types of people who get banned or stuck in purgatory. If people were making fun of your signature and the personal info you were posting, that's why... and that's allowable on that site. You have to grasp the culture to fit in.

A lot of the membership seems more ISTP there. This site seems more N-ish than that site, overall. Rarely do people get banned here either, permanently.

So far I am accepting my stay here more. I just wanted to relate my experience. The truth is if I would go back there someday I would be much more cautious but I came in not really ever doing forums before and they labeled me before I was able to conform to there unspoken rules.

I rally wouldn't have cared about the Flaming as much if it was for the fact that I actually read the rules before joining the site and they make a big deal about it in the rules.

I get the ISTP vibe from them too but they hate being labeled as ISTPs. I honestly, have not issue with ISTP but I kind of got sideswiped by it because I assumed they were like me. I am extremely intuitive even more than I am Thinking. Or I guess a better way to say it is that my intelligence is subservient to my to my Intuition. This is not to say that I am not intelligence but int very internalized and sometimes lacking in common since issues. Some people like to call it "Book Smarts".

 

[Chad]

Or another way to say it is to say. I digest knowledge into my inter framework but I express it as intuition I can't even honestly tell you were 90% of it came form. Like Einstine said genus is knowing how to hide your references.

 

[walfin]

Most of us are probably INTPc exiles here.

Mostly quit the place, not banned or anything, too.

I don't think they're sensor or anything (and I hate it that intuitives always use that as an insult). The difference is probably in neuroticism level which is in the Big 5 but not measured by the MBTI.

 

[Jennywocky]

I don't think they're sensor or anything (and I hate it that intuitives always use that as an insult). The difference is probably in neuroticism level which is in the Big 5 but not measured by the MBTI.

Why would it be an insult? One could simply make the case that some members seem to be making a lot of use of tertiary-Ni coupled with the kind of delivery you normally see with self-identified ISTPs. That's what pattern it resembles.

There's nothing wrong with that, but it can throw someone who is expecting a particular set of responses and instead they get that.

 

[Chad]

Most of us are probably INTPc exiles here.

Mostly quit the place, not banned or anything, too.

I don't think they're sensor or anything (and I hate it that intuitives always use that as an insult). The difference is probably in neuroticism level which is in the Big 5 but not measured by the MBTI.

I see no problem with Ss. My wife is an ISTJ and I love her more than anyone on the planet. My wife is very good at examining my ideas and figuring out how practical they are. Being an S is far form and insult.

 

[Reluctantly]

I agree with this. Many of the members seem to be more ISTP with that wary/paranoid Tert Ni thing going.

Why would it be an insult? One could simply make the case that some members seem to be making a lot of use of tertiary-Ni coupled with the kind of delivery you normally see with self-identified ISTPs. That's what pattern it resembles.

If your previous post is any indication of the basis your case, I could respect the perception you hold about those people as wary/paranoid. I do however question the judgment of correlating it to tertiary-Ni as stereotyping because then anyone acting like that gets pegged ISTP and anyone can be wary/paranoid and for different reasons, which makes the correlation somewhat unreasonable to me, but the perception valid.

But regardless then, if you see tertiary functions from a pathological standpoint, do you also see it from an Apithological standpoint? I'd like to know what healthy tertiary Ni is to you then, if you wouldn't mind explaining; it would be easier to accept your correlation as theoretically sound if it isn't only a way to assign unhealthy behavior and it would make me feel better if I know you aren't just stereotyping (assuming you might care about that at all, maybe you don't).

 

[walfin]

Come on, guys. You're talking about INTPc, our greatest competitor. Of course it's supposed to be an insult. At the very least you're trying to claim they aren't authentic.

But I stand by my assessment that INTPc has higher neuroticism. That place makes your blood pressure go up a notch. It's calmer and more peaceful here. That's the main reason, not the S/N dichotomy.

 

[Jennywocky]

Come on, guys. You're talking about INTPc, our greatest competitor. Of course it's supposed to be an insult. At the very least you're trying to claim they aren't authentic.

Speak for yourself, not for others. Thnx.

 

[MichiganJFrog]

I checked out INTPc before I settled on this place. I thought their design was on the drab side.

 

[snafupants]

I am in every forum.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

I am at INTPc but never find anything worth posting on. Hell, I don't even troll it!.. Yet.



Edit: The bait has been set. Now to wait for the reply. Mwahahahaha!

 

[crippli]

I am at INTPc but never find anything worth posting on. Hell, I don't even troll it!.. Yet.



Edit: The bait has been set. Now to wait for the reply. Mwahahahaha!

What bait? I found intpc like a starved flock of chickens. And they go crazy if you throw them a handfull of corn

Btw-thanks Pheron, surprising, like why? Seems i've been unbanned, but as to why I'm just as clueless as to the ban(ings) ALL of them.

Edit:no, not posting, but i am happy that i can yet again. I am very impressed by those who didn't forget about me. So thanks you all. I am going to call that a victory.

 

[TheScornedReflex]

What bait? I found intpc like a starved flock of chickens. And they go crazy if you throw them a handfull of corn.

Well I may tell if it works. An artist never reveals his unfinished work.. Or some shit like that.

 

[scorpiomover]

I'm on INTPc. I'm actually on several sites, some MBTI-based, some not, some INTP-based, and some not.

I agree that this site is more interactive. But it's not interactive enough for me. INTJf is better. But it's not enough by itself. So I'm on INTJf about 65% of the time, here about 15%, and the rest spread out between the others.

I also prefer to argue with INTJs over INTPs. INTJs usually base their views on dominant Ni. When INTPs are stubborn, IMHO, it's usually the result of tertiary Si. Almost as difficult as arguing with ISTJs, who are Si-doms.

FYI, I'm also bored with Tetris, Minesweeper, Freecell and Sudoku. When it came to Sudoku, I started analysing my own moves, and wrote my own Sudoku solver. Great little program. Got advanced algorithms for problem-solving, if I ever can be bothered finding situations where those algorithms would also be useful.

I keep thinking that maybe I should just accept these forums are never going to satisfy me intellectually, and design things for myself. But that takes a lot of consistent motivation, which I am still working on.

I agree with this. Many of the members seem to be more ISTP with that wary/paranoid Tert Ni thing going.

This is very odd. I found that ISTPs are easy to get on with, so long as you accept that they don't like to be forced out of their mental comfort zones.

People say that if you don't feel like you fit into a place, then you should try to change it and invest a bunch of time to make yourself fit. I think that makes sense if you have the time to commit; but some of us now only have a bit of time and need a place to plug into, not what amounts to a long-term commitment to establishing ourselves online somewhere in particular.

I can see Js saying that. But I got the impression that the difference between Js and Ps, was that Js try to change the world to suit them, while Ps try to change themselves to adapt better to reality.

 

[Reluctantly]

I can see Js saying that. But I got the impression that the difference between Js and Ps, was that Js try to change the world to suit them, while Ps try to change themselves to adapt better to reality.

36.Irrational: As I make use of this term it does not denote something contrary to reason, but something outside the province of reason, whose essence, therefore, is not established by reason.

Elementary facts belong to this category, eg. that the earth has a moon, that chlorine is an element, that the greatest density of water is found to be 4.0 centigrade. An accident is also irrational in spite of the fact that it may sustain a subsequent rational explanation.

The irrational is a factor of existence which may certainly be pushed back indefinitely by an increasingly elaborate and complicated rational explanation, but in so doing the explanation finally becomes so extravagant and overdone that it passes comprehension, thus reaching the limits of rational thought long before it can ever span the whole world with the laws of reason. A completely rational explanation of an actually existing object (not one that is merely postulated) is a Utopian ideal. Only an object that has been postulated can also be completely explained on rational grounds, since it has never contained anything beyond what was postulated by rational thinking. Empirical science also postulates rationally limited objects, since its deliberate exclusion of the accidental allows no consideration of the real object as a whole; hence empirical observation is always limited to that same portion of the object which has been selected for rational consideration. Thus, both thinking and feeling as directed functions are rational. When these functions are concerned not with a rationally determined choice of objects, or with the qualities and relations of objects, but with the incidental perceptions which the real object never lacks, they at once lose the quality of direction, and therewith something of their rational character, because they accept the accidental. They begin to be irrational. That thinking or feeling which is directed according to accidental perceptions, and is therefore irrational, is either intuitive or sensational. Both intuition and sensation are psychological functions which achieve their functional fulfilment in the absolute perception of occurrences in general. Hence, in accordance with their nature, their attitude must be set towards every possibility and what is absolutely accidental; they must, therefore, entirely forgo rational direction. Accordingly I term them irrational functions, in contrast to thinking and feeling, which reach perfection only when in complete accord with the laws of reason.

Although the irrational, as such, can never become the object of a science, nevertheless for a practical psychology it is of the greatest importance that the irrational factor should be correctly appraised. For practical psychology stirs up many problems that altogether elude the rational solution and can be settled only irrationally, i.e. they can be solved only in a way that has no correspondence with the laws of reason. An exclusive presumption or expectation that for every conflict there must also exist a possibility of rational adjustment may well prove an insurmountable obstacle to a real solution of an irrational character, (v. Rational).

44. Rational: The rational is the reasonable, that which accords with reason. I conceive reason as an attitude whose principle is to shape thought, feeling, and action in accordance with objective values. Objective values are established by the average experience of external facts on the one hand, and of inner psychological facts on the other. Such experiences, however, could represent no objective 'value', if 'valued' as such by the subject ; for this woulcl already amount to an act' of reason. But the reasoning attitude, which permits us to declare as valid objective values in general, is not the work of the individual subject, but the product of human history.

Most objective values and reason itself among them are firmly established complexes handed down to us through the ages, to the organization of which countless generations have laboured with the same necessity with which the nature of the living organism, in general, reacts to the average and constantly recurring conditions of the environment, confronting them with corresponding function complexes as, for instance, the eye, which so perfectly corresponds with the nature of light. We might, therefore, speak of a pre-existing, metaphysical world-reason, if, as Schopenhauer has already pointed out, the reaction of the living organism that corresponds with average external influence were not the indispensable condition of its existence. Human reason, therefore, is merely the expression of human adaptability to the average occurrence which has gradually become deposited in solidly organized complexes, constituting our objective values. Thus the laws of reason are those laws which rule and designate the average ' correct ' or adapted attitude. Everything is rational which harmonizes with these laws, and everything irrational (y.v.) which contravenes them.

Thinking and feeling are rational functions in so far as they are decisively influenced by the motive of reflection. They attain their fullest significance when in fullest possible accord with the laws of reason. The irrational functions, on the contrary, are such as aim at pure perception, e.g. intuition and sensation ; because, as far as possible, they are forced to dispense with the rational (which pre-supposes the exclusion of everything that is outside reason) in order to be able to reach the most complete perception of the whole course of events.

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