Another narcissistic thread...

[snafupants]

When I wash my hands they feel disconnected from my body. Bureaucracy and willful ignorance really rub me the wrong way. I rarely care for sports. Music, literature, and philosophy are three beautiful and edifying things in my life. Many of my efforts are focused on personal betterment and intellectual enrichment. Often I need to retranslate, retard, and bastardize my thoughts to communicate them to others. I like to be challenged but arguing for long stretches leaves me cold. My cadre of friends gets smaller but deeper every year. Most concerts bother me because of the sound engineer's strategy to amplify the volume in this vain effort to offset or extinguish the wanting fidelity; traffic and crowds suck. Arthur Schopenhauer feels like a brother to me; most people are exceedingly simple. I typically sport a bohemian look replete with ponytail and beard; coffee is my friend. Every day I consume the same foods at preferably the same times. I have seriously considered joining a cult, traveling as an ESL teacher, or otherwise dropping out of society. There hasn't really ever been a time in my life in which I felt lonely; homesick perhaps, but not lonely proper; astronomy, math, and science fiction are wonderful for putting the ego in check and granting existential perspective. Animals are great; people are normally less great. I've stopped watching movies because the experience feels like an undue time commitment provided the cheap payoff. I find caring for people much easier than loving them. There's nothing I proverbially want out of life; promotions or compliments hardly move me.

Well, perhaps I should cease there. At any rate, I would like to know your impression of my type and hierarchy of cognitive functions based on this post and other posts stringing back nearly two years. For anyone who feels this post is too narcissistic or unnecessary (sorry: ), I'd understand your choice to leave this thread untouched and perhaps personally flustered/unstimulated, but please resist trolling or otherwise derailing this thread. I'm just looking for insight from other folks on the forum. I will try to respond to any followup questions or concerns in a timely fashion.

 

[BigApplePi]

Narcissistic reply.

When I wash my hands they feel disconnected from my body.
Must be the poor Si of an INFJ = Ni Fe Ti Se. Mine are connected.
Bureaucracy and willful ignorance really rub me the wrong way.
I try to pass those by my conscious awareness unless I were to see a thread to that effect.

I rarely care for sports.
I used to care for some as a passtime but today find them of minimum socially redeeming value. Playing them provides valueable lessons though and my play is a mixed bag.
Music and philosophy are two beautiful and edifying things in my life.
I'm willing to be immersed, but not self-conscious about those.

Many of my efforts are focused on personal betterment and intellectual enrichment.
Same answer except I will indulge.
Often I need to retranslate, retard, and bastardize my thoughts to communicate them to others.
I love attempting to clarify my thoughts to others. I hate it when they come out rong.

I like to be challenged but arguing for long stretches leaves me cold.
I don't think of "challenge" but rather problem solving. If the stretch goes on long that means either I am (we are) too far from a solution or I'm having fun getting there by tripping all over myself.
My cadre of friends gets smaller but deeper every year.
I need all the friends I can get but don' t count them. I think they are about the same.
I don't think I have any deep friends but you'd have to ask them. My wife tells me she's my best friend, but ...

Most concerts bother me because of the sound engineer's strategy to amplify the volume in this vaI in effort to offset or extinguish the wanting fidelity; traffic and crowds suck.
My wife likes concerts but I had a bad childhood experience and only tolerate them.
Arthur Schopenhauer feels like a brother to me;
You are not the first I know to like him. I am interested but will postpone judgment until he grabs me or I grab him.

most people are exceedingly simple.
Most people are exceedingly complex.
I typically sport a bohemian look replete with ponytail and beard;
I'm of Czech ancestry with a ponytail and beard.

coffee is my friend.
I avoid caffeine in favor of fruit juices and milk.

Every day I consume the same foods at preferably the same times.
Only breakfast cereal. The rest depends.
I have seriously considered joining a cult or otherwise dropping out of society.
How awful! I will look at cults but can't stand being in them. I try to enter society because of limited belonging in the first place.

There hasn't really ever been a time in my life in which I felt lonely; homesick perhaps, but not lonely proper.
Never felt homesick that I recall as I was always welcome, but many times used to be desperately lonely. I don't think I want to talk about the latter, blocking it out and you know what that means.
Animals are great; people are normally less great.
My animals are great; others are less great. I am an idea person not a people person ... or I tell myself that. Am I lying to myself?

I've stopped watching movies because the experience feels like an undue time commitment provided the cheap payoff.
I look for four star and highly rated movies of any kind that are creatively challenging. Sometimes I endure lessor ones as pastimes.
I find caring for people much easier than loving them. There's nothing I proverbially want out of life; promotions or compliments hardly move me.
I will hold off on responding to that as being too personal or injurious to my vanity.

Well, perhaps I should cease there.
So will I except for the "perhaps."

 

[snafupants]

Narcissistic reply.

When I wash my hands they feel disconnected from my body.
Must be the poor Si of an INFJ = Ni Fe Ti Se. Mine are connected.
Bureaucracy and willful ignorance really rub me the wrong way.
I try to pass those by my conscious awareness unless I were to see a thread to that effect.

I rarely care for sports.
I used to care for some as a passtime but today find them of minimum socially redeeming value. Playing them provides valueable lessons though and my play is a mixed bag.
Music and philosophy are two beautiful and edifying things in my life.
I'm willing to be immersed, but not self-conscious about those.

Many of my efforts are focused on personal betterment and intellectual enrichment.
Same answer except I will indulge.
Often I need to retranslate, retard, and bastardize my thoughts to communicate them to others.
I love attempting to clarify my thoughts to others. I hate it when they come out rong.

I like to be challenged but arguing for long stretches leaves me cold.
I don't think of "challenge" but rather problem solving. If the stretch goes on long that means either I am (we are) too far from a solution or I'm having fun getting there by tripping all over myself.
My cadre of friends gets smaller but deeper every year.
I need all the friends I can get but don' t count them. I think they are about the same.
I don't think I have any deep friends but you'd have to ask them. My wife tells me she's my best friend, but ...

Most concerts bother me because of the sound engineer's strategy to amplify the volume in this vaI in effort to offset or extinguish the wanting fidelity; traffic and crowds suck.
My wife likes concerts but I had a bad childhood experience and only tolerate them.
Arthur Schopenhauer feels like a brother to me;
You are not the first I know to like him. I am interested but will postpone judgment until he grabs me or I grab him.

most people are exceedingly simple.
Most people are exceedingly complex.
I typically sport a bohemian look replete with ponytail and beard;
I'm of Czech ancestry with a ponytail and beard.

coffee is my friend.
I avoid caffeine in favor of fruit juices and milk.

Every day I consume the same foods at preferably the same times.
Only breakfast cereal. The rest depends.
I have seriously considered joining a cult or otherwise dropping out of society.
How awful! I will look at cults but can't stand being in them. I try to enter society because of limited belonging in the first place.

There hasn't really ever been a time in my life in which I felt lonely; homesick perhaps, but not lonely proper.
Never felt homesick that I recall as I was always welcome, but many times used to be desperately lonely. I don't think I want to talk about the latter, blocking it out and you know what that means.
Animals are great; people are normally less great.
My animals are great; others are less great. I am an idea person not a people person ... or I tell myself that. Am I lying to myself?

I've stopped watching movies because the experience feels like an undue time commitment provided the cheap payoff.
I look for four star and highly rated movies of any kind that are creatively challenging. Sometimes I endure lessor ones as pastimes.
I find caring for people much easier than loving them. There's nothing I proverbially want out of life; promotions or compliments hardly move me.
I will hold off on responding to that as being too personal or injurious to my vanity.

Well, perhaps I should cease there.
So will I except for the "perhaps."

@BigApplePi

I could relate to your response about being challenged and arguing for protracted stretches, but why is INFJ preferred over the INTJ personality (first response)? This argument of an inferior sensing function is perfectly valid but INFJ and INTJ have the same dominant and inferior functions, so why would one temperament take precedence over the other? Can you respond in a color text that contrasts more heavily with the black background? The blue was difficult to decipher.

 

[BigApplePi]

@BigApplePi

I could relate to your response about being challenged and arguing for protracted stretches, but why is INFJ preferred over the INTJ personality (first response)? This argument of an inferior sensing function is perfectly valid but INFJ and INTJ have the same dominant and inferior functions, so why would one temperament take precedence over the other? Can you respond in a color text that contrasts more heavily with the black background? The blue was difficult to decipher.

I see black against white and the dark blue shows up nicely. That's because I use the default coloration. You will find it in the drop down on the lower left and may temporarily switch to it for readability.

You are not INFJ? Your profile says so, but if you are not, then my apologies. In any case, both seem to lack Si so my response remains the same. Si = introverted sensing is my usage. If you are not okay with this, let me know.

 

[snafupants]

I see black against white and the dark blue shows up nicely. That's because I use the default coloration. You will find it in the drop down on the lower left and may temporarily switch to it for readability.

You are not INFJ? Your profile says so, but if you are not, then my apologies. In any case, both seem to lack Si so my response remains the same. Si = introverted sensing is my usage. If you are not okay with this, let me know.

@BigApplePi

Here's the deal: I didn't want forum goers to base their decisions on my profile information; rather I wanted this thread and my previous posts to ferret out the answer. The concern I have is unwitting self-deception so I created this thread to cut through that; perhaps not even self-deception: attaining an objective view of oneself is difficult without unconscious nefarious devils. Often people complain about taking the MBTI tests and feeling as though they are steering their answers in a particular direction. This is my way of avoiding that phenomenon. I should have been more frank upfront about my cognitive functions. Usually I score quite high on Ni, Ti, Ne, and Fi; somewhat in the middle on Fe, Si; and medium/low on Te and Se. Actually I purposefully omitted that because I didn't want it to affect conjecture or insight. Pretend I didn't say that.

 

[Coolydudey]

You're probably thinking of mostly dismissing this. Now I've caught your attention, you are a)wondering why and b)deciding whether you should pay any attention. Now that you're thinking why the hell I'm posting such gibberish, I'm going to commence my post. You had probably suspected from the first sentence that I would do something like this. Oh, how predictable people can be.
note: parentheses are important. I do not wish to judge you by this text. I don't like the method. The most accurate is being able to do it yourself. Below is my carefully reviewed understanding of MBTI presented concisely.

An understanding of your MBTI type (this is all my opinion, but has worked extremely well in my personal experience), starts from a test. From the test, you should review the next 7 closest types (in less detail as you get distant) to see how well the various ones fit you. Now you have seen how you fit into MBTI according to its absolutes.

Detailed understanding and a crystallised idea of your personality type (we are not theoretical don't forget, and you can score high on Ti and Ni) will stem from an understanding of MBTI and it's four axes (providing a quick summary (that's very short) here) I-E should be easy. Sensing is seeing what's known, in some detail and adhering to that: I feel a pain in... Or this carpet has many interesting colours, and is made of... Intuition on the other hand will jump to see what's behind the data (be it a pattern or hidden meaning). You notice the patterns on the carpet or (insert Ni example). Thinking is focused on objects and logic. It is impersonal. Feeling has to do with connecting to emotions and holding them as important (be they your own or others'). Finally, the most interesting: P-J. Perceiving means to notice the current state of a system (intuitively or through sensing). Judging wants to come to a conclusion about it. A percieving preference indicates that the person is focused on noticing and understanding (the latter less prevalent in sensors), but a judger type will analyse as much data as he sees fit and then come to a conclusion. But this conclusion is rarely a random, disconnected one, but a conclusion that he thinks will help out (him or somebody else) or serves as part of whatever he's committed to doing.

Based on this and your text: INTJ or INTX

 

[snafupants]

You're probably thinking of mostly dismissing this. Now I've caught your attention, you are a)wondering why and b)deciding whether you should pay any attention. Now that you're thinking why the hell I'm posting such gibberish, I'm going to commence my post. You had probably suspected from the first sentence that I would do something like this. Oh, how predictable people can be.
note: parentheses are important. I do not wish to judge you by this text. I don't like the method. The most accurate is being able to do it yourself. Below is my carefully reviewed understanding of MBTI presented concisely.

An understanding of your MBTI type (this is all my opinion, but has worked extremely well in my personal experience), starts from a test. From the test, you should review the next 7 closest types (in less detail as you get distant) to see how well the various ones fit you. Now you have seen how you fit into MBTI according to its absolutes.

Detailed understanding and a crystallised idea of your personality type (we are not theoretical don't forget, and you can score high on Ti and Ni) will stem from an understanding of MBTI and it's four axes (providing a quick summary (that's very short) here) I-E should be easy. Sensing is seeing what's known, in some detail and adhering to that: I feel a pain in... Or this carpet has many interesting colours, and is made of... Intuition on the other hand will jump to see what's behind the data (be it a pattern or hidden meaning). You notice the patterns on the carpet or (insert Ni example). Thinking is focused on objects and logic. It is impersonal. Feeling has to do with connecting to emotions and holding them as important (be they your own or others'). Finally, the most interesting: P-J. Perceiving means to notice the current state of a system (intuitively or through sensing). Judging wants to come to a conclusion about it. A percieving preference indicates that the person is focused on noticing and understanding (the latter less prevalent in sensors), but a judger type will analyse as much data as he sees fit and then come to a conclusion. But this conclusion is rarely a random, disconnected one, but a conclusion that he thinks will help out (him or somebody else) or serves as part of whatever he's committed to doing.

Based on this and your text: INTJ or INTX

@Coolydudey

Wouldn't the last character automatically denote INTP because the other three letters (i.e., INT-) and INTJ are already stipulated? Anyway, all thinkers possess one feeling function in their top four functional cognitive functions stack, and all feelers possess one thinking function in their top four functional cognitive functions stack. According to the strict MBTI framework, however, I am definitely introverted and intuitive, which leaves four types. My hunch is that I'm an INFJ with an overdeveloped Ti and underdeveloped Fe or an INTJ with an overdeveloped Fi and an underdeveloped Te; in either case, I have a wayward Ti or Fi and possibly even Ne or something.

Spoiler

I'm unclear on why there were so many disclaimers at the beginning of your post: your opinion is as valid as anyone else's input.

 

[Puffy]

You should get a friend, who knows you in person, to write a brief impression of you, the juxtaposition of that with your self-description might create interesting results.

p.s. I like the idea for the thread, I feel a bit self-conscious to write my own though.

 

[snafupants]

You should get a friend, who knows you in person, to write a brief impression of you, the juxtaposition of that with your self-description might create interesting results.

p.s. I like the idea for the thread, I feel a bit self-conscious to write my own though.

@Puffy

Someone really close to me (an ESFJ) provided the following description about two years ago: introverted, caring, smart, honest, and scholarly. I've actually considered having someone else take the test pretending to be me but that seemed way too fanatical. These experiments might betray more about the shortcomings of the tests and biases of the adjudicators than solid information. I just remembered that my father (an INTJ) described me as discriminating, sensitive, and independent about eighteen months ago.

 

[BigApplePi]

@Puffy

Someone really close to me provided the following description about two years ago: introverted, caring, smart, honest, and scholarly. I've actually considered having someone else take the test pretending to be me but that seemed way too fanatical. These experiments might betray more about the shortcomings of the tests and biases of the adjudicators than solid information. I just remembered that my father described me as discriminating, sensitive, and independent about eighteen months ago.

The way I responded, oddly enough, provides a contrast on the same particulars, whether agreeable or painful. How can those adjectives be anything but subjective generalities (not to discount their value though)? Just an opinion.

 

[snafupants]

The way I responded, oddly enough, provides a contrast on the same particulars, whether agreeable or painful. How can those adjectives be anything but subjective generalities (not to discount their value though)? Just an opinion.

@BigApplePi

There's really nothing you could say which would devalue their input but what do you mean by contrast on the same particulars? I generally agree that summing someone up in five or three words is doomed to be reductionist.

 

[Coolydudey]

@Coolydudey

Wouldn't the last character automatically denote INTP because the other three letters (i.e., INT-) and INTJ are already stipulated? Anyway, all thinkers possess one feeling function in their top four functional cognitive functions stack, and all feelers possess one thinking function in their top four functional cognitive functions stack. According to the strict MBTI framework, however, I am definitely introverted and intuitive, which leaves four types. My hunch is that I'm an INFJ with an overdeveloped Ti and underdeveloped Fe or an INTJ with an overdeveloped Fi and an underdeveloped Te; in either case, I have a wayward Ti or Fi and possibly even Ne or something.

Spoiler

I'm unclear on why there were so many disclaimers at the beginning of your post: your opinion is as valid as anyone else's input.

What I meant by INTX was that if you are not an INTJ, you might be an on the border case, neither percieving or judging enough to be called INTP or INTJ. This would also explain the high development of Ti and Ni.

When I read your text, I noticed more orientation to the impersonal and object-oriented thinking rather than the emotion connected feeling. This could be down to a lot of factors (including writing style, events you chose to include, frame of mind etc.)

You seem to be pretty confident about judging (your post resembled that to a large extent).

In the first paragraph, I was having fun. I had a strong intuition that you were thinking of not taking the post too seriously (many reasons), and just continued from there.

 

[BigApplePi]

When I wash my hands they feel disconnected from my body. Bureaucracy and willful ignorance really rub me the wrong way. I rarely care for sports. Music, literature, and philosophy are three beautiful and edifying things in my life. Many of my efforts are focused on personal betterment and intellectual enrichment. Often I need to retranslate, retard, and bastardize my thoughts to communicate them to others. I like to be challenged but arguing for long stretches leaves me cold. My cadre of friends gets smaller but deeper every year. Most concerts bother me because of the sound engineer's strategy to amplify the volume in this vain effort to offset or extinguish the wanting fidelity; traffic and crowds suck. Arthur Schopenhauer feels like a brother to me; most people are exceedingly simple. I typically sport a bohemian look replete with ponytail and beard; coffee is my friend. Every day I consume the same foods at preferably the same times. I have seriously considered joining a cult, traveling as an ESL teacher, or otherwise dropping out of society. There hasn't really ever been a time in my life in which I felt lonely; homesick perhaps, but not lonely proper; astronomy, math, and science fiction are wonderful for putting the ego in check and granting existential perspective. Animals are great; people are normally less great. I've stopped watching movies because the experience feels like an undue time commitment provided the cheap payoff. I find caring for people much easier than loving them. There's nothing I proverbially want out of life; promotions or compliments hardly move me.

Well, perhaps I should cease there. At any rate, I would like to know your impression of my type and hierarchy of cognitive functions based on this post and other posts stringing back nearly two years. For anyone who feels this post is too narcissistic or unnecessary (sorry: ), I'd understand your choice to leave this thread untouched and perhaps personally flustered/unstimulated, but please resist trolling or otherwise derailing this thread. I'm just looking for insight from other folks on the forum. I will try to respond to any followup questions or concerns in a timely fashion.

Regretfully it is only now that I notice you are asking for MBTI evaluations. I was so enthralled by your self-description and the title that I overlooked your last paragraph. Had you placed it first I might not have responded at all.

 

[BigApplePi]

When I read your text, I noticed more orientation to the impersonal and object-oriented thinking rather than the emotion connected feeling.

@CoolyD. I may be askew, but what do you say to this, using F/T/S/N for feeling/thinking/sensing/intuition? Is anything accurate here? The only way I will learn anything at all is by falling on my face, lol.

S-When I wash my hands they feel disconnected from my body.
F-Bureaucracy and willful ignorance really rub me the wrong way.
F-I rarely care for sports.
S/F/N/T-Music, literature, and philosophy are three beautiful and edifying things in my life.
N-Many of my efforts are focused on personal betterment and intellectual enrichment.
N-Often I need to retranslate, retard, and bastardize my thoughts to communicate them to others.
F-I like to be challenged but arguing for long stretches leaves me cold.
N-My cadre of friends gets smaller but deeper every year.
S-Most concerts bother me because of the sound engineer's strategy to amplify the volume in this vain effort to offset or extinguish the wanting fidelity; traffic and crowds suck.
F-Arthur Schopenhauer feels like a brother to me; most people are exceedingly simple.
S-I typically sport a bohemian look replete with ponytail and beard; coffee is my friend. Every day I consume the same foods at preferably the same times.
?-I have seriously considered joining a cult, traveling as an ESL teacher, or otherwise dropping out of society.
N-There hasn't really ever been a time in my life in which I felt lonely; homesick perhaps, but not lonely proper;
N-astronomy, math, and science fiction are wonderful for putting the ego in check and granting existential perspective.
F-Animals are great; people are normally less great.
F-I've stopped watching movies because the experience feels like an undue time commitment provided the cheap payoff.
F-I find caring for people much easier than loving them.
F-There's nothing I proverbially want out of life; promotions or compliments hardly move me.

Notice how I rated the last four as "F." There is plenty to think about on those topics, but are the sentences themselves written with feeling? I'm not ready to conclude anything.
Notice the 4th one I gave up on. Beauty is S? The whole statement is N? The topics themselves are worthy of T? Is the sentence meant with feeling or not?

Yaaaah ...

 

[BigApplePi]

@BigApplePi

There's really nothing you could say which would devalue their input but what do you mean by contrast on the same particulars? I generally agree that summing someone up in five or three words is doomed to be reductionist.

I have a big idea in mind here, but I keep in mind you didn't want your thread derailed. I am the worst derailler and should be kicked in the butt for not having a quiet mind.

Suppose you were to ask someone about your vitality. Suppose nine people said you were energetic and one you were lethargic. What would you make of this? Statistics? How would you explain the lethargic? That person was a poor evaluator? They saw you on an off day? If so, what about the other nine? Were they a group or non-independent judgers? One way would be to go one-on-one with the evaluator and see what they had on their mind. So in a strange way, your self-evaluation means evaluating the other party.

Take this one as only the beginning:
most people are exceedingly simple.
Most people are exceedingly complex.

 

[NinjaSurfer]

INTP but in favor of INTJ because of the "same foods same times" comment; the "J"-factor is the only one I question, and can be clarified by the following questions:

1) how do you feel about cops?

2) how do you feel about meter maids?

additional: how do you feel about internet moderators?

^do any of the above three jobs appeal to you?

if so, you are an INTJ. If you detest those jobs, you are an INTP.

 

[snafupants]

INTP but in favor of INTJ because of the "same foods same times" comment; the "J"-factor is the only one I question, and can be clarified by the following questions:

1) how do you feel about cops?

2) how do you feel about meter maids?

additional: how do you feel about internet moderators?

^do any of the above three jobs appeal to you?

if so, you are an INTJ. If you detest those jobs, you are an INTP.

@NinjaSurfer

Before I answer these questions, aren't there INTJ folk out there who detest cops? There could be exceedingly rational reasons for either belief. I also know firsthand many INFJ folk who feel the law unnecessarily circumscribes civil liberties, and act accordingly. The rationale seems much more important than the decision. Anyway, I have an issue with most police officers because rather than serving and protecting their sole priority seems to be generating revenue for the county or city that they find themselves in; typically law enforcement personnel tend to be rather dull and officious, which is disconcerting. I understand that some crimes (e.g., homicide) need to be enforced but I'd rather the underlying systemic cause were addressed as well. This War on Drugs is unmitigated hokum which spurs on violence in underdeveloped countries while keeping the prices of narcotics high stateside; the whole drug-fighting enterprise is a revolving toiler bowl of squandered time, resources, and money. On the second point, I feel there are some places in which one should not park, due to safety concerns, and some places where it's perfectly safe to park but laws (and county revenue) dictate otherwise. Finally, an internet moderator seems like a necessary thing, like rules in basketball, because discussion would devolve into racist slurs (a la YouTube) and these things without consequences and oversight. As long as moderators promote worthwhile contribution without proscribing or punishing iconoclastic yet necessary input, then I see no problem with moderation and digital oversight.

 

[Coolydudey]

@CoolyD. I may be askew, but what do you say to this, using F/T/S/N for feeling/thinking/sensing/intuition? Is anything accurate here? The only way I will learn anything at all is by falling on my face, lol.

S-When I wash my hands they feel disconnected from my body.
F-Bureaucracy and willful ignorance really rub me the wrong way.
F-I rarely care for sports.
S/F/N/T-Music, literature, and philosophy are three beautiful and edifying things in my life.
N-Many of my efforts are focused on personal betterment and intellectual enrichment.
N-Often I need to retranslate, retard, and bastardize my thoughts to communicate them to others.
F-I like to be challenged but arguing for long stretches leaves me cold.
N-My cadre of friends gets smaller but deeper every year.
S-Most concerts bother me because of the sound engineer's strategy to amplify the volume in this vain effort to offset or extinguish the wanting fidelity; traffic and crowds suck.
F-Arthur Schopenhauer feels like a brother to me; most people are exceedingly simple.
S-I typically sport a bohemian look replete with ponytail and beard; coffee is my friend. Every day I consume the same foods at preferably the same times.
?-I have seriously considered joining a cult, traveling as an ESL teacher, or otherwise dropping out of society.
N-There hasn't really ever been a time in my life in which I felt lonely; homesick perhaps, but not lonely proper;
N-astronomy, math, and science fiction are wonderful for putting the ego in check and granting existential perspective.
F-Animals are great; people are normally less great.
F-I've stopped watching movies because the experience feels like an undue time commitment provided the cheap payoff.
F-I find caring for people much easier than loving them.
F-There's nothing I proverbially want out of life; promotions or compliments hardly move me.

Notice how I rated the last four as "F." There is plenty to think about on those topics, but are the sentences themselves written with feeling? I'm not ready to conclude anything.
Notice the 4th one I gave up on. Beauty is S? The whole statement is N? The topics themselves are worthy of T? Is the sentence meant with feeling or not?

Yaaaah ...

I will try and get back to you, but not now since I'm on the iPad. You have made (in my opinion) several mistakes. I will edit this post tomorrow from the computer and put in my opinion (and why where we disagree).

 

[Coolydudey]

@NinjaSurfer

Before I answer these questions, aren't there INTJ folk out there who detest cops? There could be exceedingly rational reasons for either belief. I also know firsthand many INFJ folk who feel the law unnecessarily circumscribes civil liberties, and act accordingly. The rationale seems much more important than the decision.

Exactly. Nonetheless, it's about the mentality of the "traffic warden" (I'm using it as a term to refer to a controlling personality). An INTP would hate "traffic wardens" because they order people around and try to impose their own structure (or structure they've been told to impose). An INTJ wouldn't mind this so much (may even like it), since he sees the order being created around him.

 

[snafupants]

Exactly. Nonetheless, it's about the mentality of the "traffic warden" (I'm using it as a term to refer to a controlling personality). An INTP would hate "traffic wardens" because they order people around and try to impose their own structure (or structure they've been told to impose). An INTJ wouldn't mind this so much (may even like it), since he sees the order being created around him.

My INTJ father sees these feckless yet meddling folk for the gadfly neanderthals than they are. I basically think that most NT (and even some NF) types would detest this ilk of (usually unnecessary) personal obstruction. The issue seems more entrenched in level of consciousness and understanding than temperament. Well, let me ask you this, how might an INFP or INFJ perceive police officers?

 

[Coolydudey]

Note:I am no MBTI expert, you should take what I say with a pinch of salt. Again, traffic wardens refers to controlling personalities (I like to use the metaphor).

My INTJ father sees these feckless yet meddling folk for the gadfly neanderthals than they are.

Never said he wouldn't, but the way I phrased and presented the idea was quite far from ideal. The key thing is that an INTP despises these sorts of personal interferences (although can to some extent perceive the purpose), where as an INTJ will appreciate the purpose more, even if dismissing the system as non-ideal and/or a personal interference.

Well, let me ask you this, how might an INFP or INFJ perceive police officers?

I don't see why you've taken it specifically to police officers. Making the framework too specific can often make the conclusion not universal enough and not applicable in all cases. Anyway.

An INFP would regard police officers ("traffic wardens") in much the same way as an INTP, but much more focused on the nuisance and slow-down/stress they cause him (dominant Fi), and to some extension, others.

An INFJ would regard them as a nuisance to society? Not in a sense of a redundant non-ideal system (as an INTP or INTJ) but in a sense of causing unnecessary anxiety/stress/time waste to people. They will probably appreciate the purpose, but think that the system should be organised so as to be hassle free and people-friendly. Notice that in contrast to an INTJ the INFJs thinking is more about the nuisance/time waste/stress that the situation causes, and how they could be remedied, as oppose to the inefficiencies/bad design of the system, and how these could be remedied (personal/impersonal logic)

 

[kora]

I really enjoyed reading that, not sure why, perhaps you just expressed my thoughts or something.

 

[NinjaSurfer]

@NinjaSurfer

Before I answer these questions, aren't there INTJ folk out there who detest cops? There could be exceedingly rational reasons for either belief. I also know firsthand many INFJ folk who feel the law unnecessarily circumscribes civil liberties, and act accordingly. The rationale seems much more important than the decision. Anyway, I have an issue with most police officers because rather than serving and protecting their sole priority seems to be generating revenue for the county or city that they find themselves in; typically law enforcement personnel tend to be rather dull and officious, which is disconcerting. I understand that some crimes (e.g., homicide) need to be enforced but I'd rather the underlying systemic cause were addressed as well. This War on Drugs is unmitigated hokum which spurs on violence in underdeveloped countries while keeping the prices of narcotics high stateside; the whole drug-fighting enterprise is a revolving toiler bowl of squandered time, resources, and money. On the second point, I feel there are some places in which one should not park, due to safety concerns, and some places where it's perfectly safe to park but laws (and county revenue) dictate otherwise. Finally, an internet moderator seems like a necessary thing, like rules in basketball, because discussion would devolve into racist slurs (a la YouTube) and these things without consequences and oversight. As long as moderators promote worthwhile contribution without proscribing or punishing iconoclastic yet necessary input, then I see no problem with moderation and digital oversight.

it's a tough split based on this response, but if I had to bet, I'd say you lean maybe 55%-60% on the P; I think the INTx portion is pretty solid unless there are extraverted tendencies which I've missed.

I guess this is just personal opinion and experience, but I assume a pure J-type would enjoy being in this position of power-- moderator/cop etc.

 

[Coolydudey]

I would disagree with you ninja turtle, it isn't naturally part of an INTJ to assume a position of power. They will do so only if they deem it definitely preferable.
Honestly though, for percieving/judging the best way to know is to look at how messy you are in your natural environment (home, not work). If there are procrastinative tendencies (which cause the messiness), then you can pretty safely assume you are a P.

 

[snafupants]

INTP but in favor of INTJ because of the "same foods same times" comment; the "J"-factor is the only one I question, and can be clarified by the following questions:

1) how do you feel about cops?

2) how do you feel about meter maids?

additional: how do you feel about internet moderators?

^do any of the above three jobs appeal to you?

if so, you are an INTJ. If you detest those jobs, you are an INTP.

Wouldn't the regimented dietary schedule betray introverted sensing? In terms of cognitive functions, what would that behavior signify?

 

[Coolydudey]

A regimented dietary schedule (as you say) isn't enough info to make decisions about cognitive functions. However, it can tell us info about P-J combined with the following question: Did you create it so that you wouldn't have to think of what to eat? Or did you just like the idea of said schedule?

For P-J, messiness is the best indicator though (look at the last paragraph of my previous post).

 

[snafupants]

A regimented dietary schedule (as you say) isn't enough info to make decisions about cognitive functions. However, it can tell us info about P-J combined with the following question: Did you create it so that you wouldn't have to think of what to eat? Or did you just like the idea of said schedule?

For P-J, messiness is the best indicator though (look at the last paragraph of my previous post).

I will check out that last paragraph but, regarding the regimented diet, its genesis owes something to understanding the following: which foods work best for me (mostly energy and mood-wise); which foods have favorable glycemic index profiles and, ergo, discourage blood sugar spikes or troughs; which foods are close to nature, nutritious, and easy to make on the stove; which foods obviate this issue of contributing to basically evil corporations, practices, and products; which foods bypass thinking (yes!) and spontaneously concocting meals; which foods bolster my health more than the previous foods (recovering vegetarian) that discernibly eroded my health. I should add that the time aspect I mentioned before applies more to, say, eating every three hours rather than eating at exactly seven eighteen or something. So these are roughly the reasons why I do what I do. I'm really in tune with what's going on somatically and, because junk food makes me feel like crap, I also know what not to eat. I haven't read your last paragraph yet yet I can assure you that my room is an explosion of interests and their vestiges/outcroppings. I neither enjoy nor especially appreciate tidiness for its own or decorum's sake. My INTJ dad seems to delight in arranging things just so. This practice sickens me. I should add, however, that I care greatly about certain items, especially books. The titles are arranged by author and I make every effort to maintain their upkeep.

 

[Coolydudey]

Basically, you put the schedule in place for health/mood/... reasons (and ease), which points rather to the fact that you put the schedule in place for the benefit it provides instead of the schedule in itself. This coupled with the fact that tidiness isn't your forte (it is also natural for a perciever to organise certain things the way you did with books), leads me to believe you have a P preference. Look into INXX type descriptions in detail, but in my opinion you have an overall preference for INTP, or maybe INFP. You're giving me really confusing readings for Si though: my hands feel disconnected from my body (no Si) vs I am really in tune with what goes on somatically (well developed Si). Hmmmm...

 

[NinjaSurfer]

Wouldn't the regimented dietary schedule betray introverted sensing? In terms of cognitive functions, what would that behavior signify?

I haven't studied cognitive functions very much; "P" is my highest factor of INTP, so it's in the order like P-I-N-T... and I'm naturally messy as hell, but as you order your books, I can be rather OCD about things that I have extreme interest in... for example, this reminds me back in the day when I played Magic The Gathering-- while the rest of my room was very disorganized, I had my Magic cards categorized by decks, colors, tucked in baseball card plastic protectors, ordered all different kinds of ways and I'd get pissed if my friends changed their order;

I don't think any of your behaviors "betray" the pure INTP type; I would bet INTP over INTJ at this point; if your father's orderly behavior is not to your liking, it is probably better to bet on the INTP;

I've always found that INTPs question their type more than the other types; mis-typed INTJs won't go around questioning their type as much... they'll be stubborn that they're a certain type until they find evidence that points otherwise.

 

[snafupants]

Basically, you put the schedule in place for health/mood/... reasons (and ease), which points rather to the fact that you put the schedule in place for the benefit it provides instead of the schedule in itself. This coupled with the fact that tidiness isn't your forte (it is also natural for a perciever to organise certain things the way you did with books), leads me to believe you have a P preference. Look into INXX type descriptions in detail, but in my opinion you have an overall preference for INTP, or maybe INFP. You're giving me really confusing readings for Si though: my hands feel disconnected from my body (no Si) vs I am really in tune with what goes on somatically (well developed Si). Hmmmm...

To address the first and last sentences, the analysis of the former is much more astute than the latter. This dietary schedule does boil down to nutrition, comfort, and convenience rather than any schedule proper. I actually detest schedules, as de facto constraints on autonomy, and I live rather spontaneously; that said, since introverted intuition is essentially spontaneity personified, that might not get us anywhere. Now to address the latter point: my intention is not to provide confusing or pellucid readings for introverted sensing. My intent is to be totally honest and glean any insights which might bloom from that honesty. Both of those things are true - I am extremely aware of how food makes me feel but I also feel as though my hands (and forearms) aren't part of my body when I wash my hands. Again not sure where that pistons the conversation, but there it is.

 

[snafupants]

I haven't studied cognitive functions very much; "P" is my highest factor of INTP, so it's in the order like P-I-N-T... and I'm naturally messy as hell, but as you order your books, I can be rather OCD about things that I have extreme interest in... for example, this reminds me back in the day when I played Magic The Gathering-- while the rest of my room was very disorganized, I had my Magic cards categorized by decks, colors, tucked in baseball card plastic protectors, ordered all different kinds of ways and I'd get pissed if my friends changed their order;

I don't think any of your behaviors "betray" the pure INTP type; I would bet INTP over INTJ at this point; if your father's orderly behavior is not to your liking, it is probably better to bet on the INTP;

I've always found that INTPs question their type more than the other types; mis-typed INTJs won't go around questioning their type as much... they'll be stubborn that they're a certain type until they find evidence that points otherwise.

I agree with that analysis, especially about the INTJ clan. Their pragmatism and scientism seem to deter filtering inordinate amounts of time into fuzzy and unprofitable frameworks and methodologies like the MBTI or soft/pop science/psychology generally. I am leaning towards INFJ, INFP, and INTP more now (which actually marks progress); I find neither INTP nor INFP implausible because I demonstrably and frequently (and enjoyably!) use extraverted intuition in conversation (along with perhaps Fi and/or Ti); the high scores on introverted intuition, feeling (Fi), and thinking (Ti) basically keep these alive. I took this regular MBTI test earlier today and scored INFJ but with unconvincing percentages on the last two dimensions (wishful thinking? test steering?); anyway, indeed, the tests are severely hampered.

Spoiler

Yeah I should be upfront about the fact that I grossly prefer Ti over Te...at least I feel I possess that preference. Actually the same could apply for Fi over Fe. The intuitive functions (Ni vs. Ne) could perhaps comfortably go either way.

 

[Coolydudey]

I never implied that you were trying to be confusing about Si, I just highlighted it in the hope that you would provide new info. Let's do this a different way now: which is your weakest function: Fe, Te or Se? Fe->INTP, Te->INFP, Se->INFJ. Furthermore, you can ask: what's the strongest: Ti, Fi, or Ni? Also, if you can't decide on a type, look at the second technique I mention in this thread, in the last post: http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=13148

EDIT: If you have the time, take this cognitive functions test. http://similarminds.com/classic_jung.html
Full results please

 

[EyeSeeCold]

At any rate, I would like to know your impression of my type and hierarchy of cognitive functions based on this post and other posts stringing back nearly two years.

I'm just looking for insight from other folks on the forum. I will try to respond to any followup questions or concerns in a timely fashion.

http://similarminds.com/big45.html
http://similarminds.com/1/motiv.php

Would you please take these two tests and report back the full results of each.

 

[snafupants]

I never implied that you were trying to be confusing about Si, I just highlighted it in the hope that you would provide new info. Let's do this a different way now: which is your weakest function: Fe, Te or Se? Fe->INTP, Te->INFP, Se->INFJ. Furthermore, you can ask: what's the strongest: Ti, Fi, or Ni? Also, if you can't decide on a type, look at the second technique I mention in this thread, in the last post: http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=13148

EDIT: If you have the time, take this cognitive functions test. http://similarminds.com/classic_jung.html
Full results please

@Coolydudey

Spoiler

Te (Extroverted Thinking) (50%)
your valuation of / adherence to logic of external systems / hierarchies / methods

Ti (Introverted Thinking) (85%)
your valuation of / adherence to your own internally devised logic/rational

Ne (Extroverted Intuition) (80%)
your valuation of / tendency towards free association and creating with external stimuli

Ni (Introverted Intuition) (90%)
your valuation of / tendency towards internal/original free association and creativity

Se (Extroverted Sensing) (50%)
your valuation of / tendency to fully experience the world unfiltered, in the moment

Si (Introverted Sensing) (55%)
your valuation of / focus on internal sensations and reliving past moments

Fe (Extroverted Feeling) (55%)
your valuation of / adherence to external morals, ethics, traditions, customs, groups

Fi (Introverted Feeling) (90%)
your valuation of / adherence to the sanctity of your own feelings / ideals / sentiment

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
based on your results your type is likely - unclear

 

[BigApplePi]

@Coolydudey

Spoiler

Te (Extroverted Thinking) (50%)
your valuation of / adherence to logic of external systems / hierarchies / methods

Ti (Introverted Thinking) (85%)
your valuation of / adherence to your own internally devised logic/rational

Ne (Extroverted Intuition) (80%)
your valuation of / tendency towards free association and creating with external stimuli

Ni (Introverted Intuition) (90%)
your valuation of / tendency towards internal/original free association and creativity

Se (Extroverted Sensing) (50%)
your valuation of / tendency to fully experience the world unfiltered, in the moment

Si (Introverted Sensing) (55%)
your valuation of / focus on internal sensations and reliving past moments

Fe (Extroverted Feeling) (55%)
your valuation of / adherence to external morals, ethics, traditions, customs, groups

Fi (Introverted Feeling) (90%)
your valuation of / adherence to the sanctity of your own feelings / ideals / sentiment

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
based on your results your type is likely - unclear

@snafu
I observe you have rated high in intuition, whether internal or external. Does your self-observing intuition tell you this rings true? According to MBTI I wonder if this is feasible? I wonder if this says something about the MBTI test itself? Are you able to say when/ what conditions would have you lean internally? Externally? Which are you more comfortable with?

Perhaps a test which presents only the top two functions is best. This test presents all eight. Adymus would frown on these tests as non-definitive.

Edit: My vote goes to Ni.

 

[Coolydudey]

Hahahaha, this is hilarious (don't take it personally): type is likely-unclear.
The form of my analysis boils down to the fact that you clearly don't fit in one of the classic MBTI types. An in between solution has to be found for you. One question though: check that you didn't overrate your Ni on the test (steering), as I did this too, and I definitely don't have well developed Ni.

However, the results do let us draw conclusions (final ones). The cognitive functions are much more in favour of INXP over INFJ (the sum of the percentages of the top two functions is 165 for INTP, 170 for INFP, 145 for INFJ). As for thinking/feeling, your percentage sum for feeling is 10 higher than that for thinking (145/135), meaning you have a very slight preference for feeling. This coupled with the fact that you originally preferred feeling gives me: INXP with a slight preference for INFP. But we can't forget that eye-sore of a well developed Ni.

Final conclusion: INXP with a slight preference for INFP and a very well developed Ni.
This has been thoroughly interesting and enjoyable. Thanks snafu.

 

[snafupants]

Hahahaha, this is hilarious (don't take it personally): type is likely-unclear.
The form of my analysis boils down to the fact that you clearly don't fit in one of the classic MBTI types. An in between solution has to be found for you. One question though: check that you didn't overrate your Ni on the test (steering), as I did this too, and I definitely don't have well developed Ni.

However, the results do let us draw conclusions (final ones). The cognitive functions are much more in favour of INXP over INFJ (the sum of the percentages of the top two functions is 165 for INTP, 170 for INFP, 145 for INFJ). As for thinking/feeling, your percentage sum for feeling is 10 higher than that for thinking (145/135), meaning you have a very slight preference for feeling. This coupled with the fact that you originally preferred feeling gives me: INXP with a slight preference for INFP. But we can't forget that eye-sore of a well developed Ni.

Final conclusion: INXP with a slight preference for INFP and a very well developed Ni.
This has been thoroughly interesting and enjoyable. Thanks snafu.

@Coolydudey

With four nimble cognitive functions, assuming those scores represent organic in vivo strengths, there's bound to be some incongruousness and understatement in specifying one temperament profile. I feel, nonetheless, that the above reasoning is fairly reasonable and even trenchant. I found, and somewhat still find, INFJ plausible because it combines two of my putatively strong cognitive functions (i.e., Ni and Ti) albeit resorting to the tertiary spot for the latter; I basically find INFJ only slightly more plausible than INTJ (I also have high Fi, which would be tertiary for INTJ) but I relate more to the INFJ overarching profile. There are just so many prisms for viewing the MBTI (Keirsey, Beebe, etc.) that it's difficult to see one through and feel confident about the decision. The important thing seems to be observing how one acts naturally and what energizes oneself. Introverted feeling coupled with extraverted intuition rubs me pretty well - in conversation I definitely lean on the latter for repartee and erudition with, perhaps, an ongoing panoramic eye for how the interaction makes me feel. The INTP cognitive functions architecture is somewhat tempting but I perhaps utilize some feeling function before the fourth slot; this basically spurred my inclination towards INFJ over INTP, along with the foregoing information about Ni and Ti. I should maybe add here, in what will probably be the end of this post, that I enjoy scooping up information pretty indiscriminately and plowing through the implications later (intimations of perceiving propensity in the dominant function or extraverted intuition? something else?); as another addendum, I usually value frank emotional expression, good or bad, over niceties and keeping the peace. When I was growing up it bothered me that my INTJ dad tamped down any extreme yet sometimes necessary emotions or expressions - maintaining the status quo was this weird paragon of civility or something. As I ruminate about the differences between these cognitive functions and upbringing, I also need to be cognizant of this polemical parsing between forming one's ethical system because of temperament and forming one's ethical system due to factors like dedication to and adeptness with intellectual and reflective endeavors, which could be related to temperament. I mean, I can accept INFP or something because I feel it's understandable than an intellectual would have proclivities and talents for other thinking and intuitive functions not highlighted in the top four cognitive functions of one particular profile; for instance, I know an INTJ (for once not my dad) who has excellent use of introverted thinking.

Spoiler

I will definitely reanalyze Ni to reasonably ensure that I wasn't steering the test. Also, I was hoping you would see the irony in that phrasing (type is likely - unclear).

Spoiler

Adding the top three functions together with INFJ, INFP, and INTP the output is 230, 225, and 220, respectively. This puts INFJ in the lead. Some researchers argue the fourth function shouldn't be considered with the non-shadow functions.

 

[Coolydudey]

One thing to take note of: with three introverted cognitive functions in the 85-90% range you would be next to permanently living in your head. You would be socially awkward, most of the time only exiting your mind to perform necessary tasks or for stimulus to enter it again. Is this the case? If not, you've got to review what made you answer the test in such a way.
Either way, you are such a borderline case that I really don't think it's worth trying to find a MBTI type for yourself, there simply cannot be one that describes you realistically and accurately. You're some sort of mash of 3-4 types, and while you could identify a type that you narrowly prefer, it would be a small part of the truth.
EDIT:just to show you what I mean, it would be something like: INXP with preference for INFP and many INFJ characteristics.

 

[snafupants]

One thing to take note of: with three introverted cognitive functions in the 85-90% range you would be next to permanently living in your head. You would be socially awkward, most of the time only exiting your mind to perform necessary tasks or for stimulus to enter it again. Is this the case? If not, you've got to review what made you answer the test in such a way.
Either way, you are such a borderline case that I really don't think it's worth trying to find a MBTI type for yourself, there simply cannot be one that describes you realistically and accurately. You're some sort of mash of 3-4 types, and while you could identify a type that you narrowly prefer, it would be a small part of the truth.
EDIT:just to show you what I mean, it would be something like: INXP with preference for INFP and many INFJ characteristics.

@Coolydudey

I feel INFJ is solely a decent fit. In everyday life, I express my feelings and opinions pretty often (Fe) and I appear to use introverted thinking to flesh those opinions. According to the spine/arm tandem theory by Bebbe in which the dominant and inferior functions work with one another, likewise the auxiliary and tertiary functions, INFJ makes some degree of sense. I feel compelled to concede your mash/hybrid theory, however, because I can't deny my usage of Ne and Fi even if the INFJ label is partly justified. I wonder if Ne and Fi being the two top shadow functions bolsters or affects the INFJ hypothesis. Some researchers believe that the shadow is essentially non-hierarchical and basically inaccessible unconscious. Anyway, circling around to your beginning, I wouldn't say that I'm socially awkward with open, intelligent, cultured, basically like-minded people; I am basically convinced that I have the truth most times out; chief awkwardness/touchiness comes from sensing folk conflating complexity with insuperable language or alienness. I rely on Ni and Ti, to a lesser extent Ne, for many of my intellectual adventures and projects, private or otherwise. Dismissing the stock architecture of types for a moment, I express those findings as Fe and Te, and to a much lesser degree Se. I guess this just supports your mash/hybrid theory but that's what I believe is going on anyway. To clarify, my learning style is highly visual, idiosyncratic, intensely focused, and sequestered but I'm pretty adroit at explaining my theories and findings to other people; writing them out simply provides me enough rope to hang myself with.

Spoiler

I feel really close to Ni and Ti, especially after reexamining what the former truly is and how it's differentiated from Ne. I haven't significantly analyzed the veracity and manifestation of this Ni-Ti loop but that could definitely be occurring within me. My only qualm with that theory is its postulated mechanisms whereby the dominant function (Ni) works with the tertiary function (Ti) rather than the inferior function (Se).

Spoiler

This article, among other things, helped clear up the Ni-Ne confusion that abounds on the internets.

This part renders listing Ni for myself (even as a dominant function) much easier.

Ne: There are always other perspectives and new meanings to discover
Ni: There is always a future to realize and a significance to be revealed.

http://www.erictb.info/temperament2.html

 

[Coolydudey]

Again, you could probably go for something like generally INFJ with highly developed functions belonging to the other INXXs. Right now, it's a bit too late for me to think straight, but even if you do settle on a dominant type, don't forget that your personality is very much a mash/hybrid (mash sounds cooler), which may actually be a very good thing in terms of patterns of thought, idea generation and novelty, and an endless such list. All that is just conjecture though.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

@snafupants

http://similarminds.com/big45.html
http://similarminds.com/1/motiv.php

Would you please take these two tests and report back the full results of each.

 

[Polaris]

I think people possessing higher intelligence may be more inclined to score ambiguously on the MBTI scale as they are often highly self-aware and thus more analytical about their functions, hence they could score with some confusion of type as their analytical and open-minded thinking would lead them to weigh all possible options with a degree of obsession without really coming to any conclusions. From this, I tentatively conclude you'd be leaning quite heavily towards the INTP-bracket, but I also suspect INTJ from the stubbornness you sometimes display during arguments, although I think that is perhaps just repressed openness (P), dressed in the armour of Ego. (We all do it...)

 

[Grave]

If you want to find what personality type you are, you would have to understand the 8 functions and when those functions are being used. It isn't too difficult to spot when you are using certain functions, and some functions come with certain characteristics that can be spotted on anyone.

Don't decide on your type by test results since a) the questions asked are suppose to determine two of the four letterings rather than determining the functions, and b) if they are attempting to determine your cognitive functions it may be difficulty to understand what they are asking--well, that's coming my personal experience. It's best to understand, first and foremost, your introverted and extroverted sides, and also the order in which your functions are used.
If you are confused by whether a cognition is extroverted or introverted such as whether your F is Fe or Fi it's helpful to look through comparisons of Fe and Fi on forums or any other reliable sites.

Determining things like J and P are merely determining whether your 2 dominant functions are either Fe,Si,Ni,Te--J or Fi,Ti,Se,Ne--P.

Looking at pages that describe certain types may be confusing because some INTP's may not be anti-social or a lot of the things a page describes about them, however as long as their cognitive orders are the same the person is still an INTP, and the same goes to any page of any type.

What I found when deciding another person's type is that it is much easier to determine the Extroverted functions than the introverted functions. However introverted functions come in conclusions after a person has spent a considerable amount of time in his or her own mind.

Well, that's enough of my advice. Good luck, friend!

 

[NinjaSurfer]

I think people possessing higher intelligence may be more inclined to score ambiguously on the MBTI scale as they are often highly self-aware and thus more analytical about their functions, hence they could score with some confusion of type as their analytical and open-minded thinking would lead them to weigh all possible options with a degree of obsession without really coming to any conclusions. From this, I tentatively conclude you'd be leaning quite heavily towards the INTP-bracket, but I also suspect INTJ from the stubbornness you sometimes display during arguments, although I think that is perhaps just repressed openness (P), dressed in the armour of Ego. (We all do it...)

he needs more conclusive proof that he is an INTP.

@snafupants Do you relate more with an absent-minded professor or an evil diabolical Magneto character?

 

[Coolydudey]

Guys, I don't know if you noticed, but he's mostly given up on the thread and trying to ingest all the information presented, so that he can come up with what he thinks is valid and further analyse his personality based on what we said. It's great that you're still showing interest, but you may be wasting your time until he shows interest as well.

 

[BigApplePi]

@Coolydudey

I will try and get back to you, but not now since I'm on the iPad. You have made (in my opinion) several mistakes. I will edit this post tomorrow from the computer and put in my opinion (and why where we disagree).

Coolydudey, sometimes there is an effort to come to conclusions where there is actually ambiguity in the evidence. I'm surprised you so far haven't addressed what I said here is an attempt to remove that ambiguity. (Try using a big screen.)

Guys, I don't know if you noticed, but he's mostly given up on the thread and trying to ingest all the information presented, so that he can come up with what he thinks is valid and further analyse his personality based on what we said. It's great that you're still showing interest, but you may be wasting your time until he shows interest as well.

Also snafu has given a detailed opinion here.

 

[Coolydudey]

Second point: I know he gave a detailed opinion, but look in the same post: I haven't significantly analysed (first spoiler), INFJ makes some degree of sense/ I feel compelled to concede to your mash/hybrid theory. There are a couple of others as well, which point to him not having fully formed his opinion.

First point: like snafu asked, can you please clarify what you meant in that linked post (sorry to put you through this)? As you were saying, the ambiguity in the evidence will necessarily lead to differences in the conclusions people will draw. We may not even be able to draw valid conclusions. Still, I will try and get back to you regarding that long post tonight.

 

[BigApplePi]

Cooley. Did you know it is a common characteristic of human nature that people look for clarity in situations where there is no clarity? Take that as a general statement and apply it anywhere, inside or outside this thread.

First point: like snafu asked, can you please clarify what you meant in that linked post?

Notice I addressed you as "Cooley." My handle is "BAP." I (and others) can't be sure you are talking to me. What linked post? I've made a few.

Do you know how to make links yourself? The link icon is just to the left of what looks like crossed out binoculars to me. It's takes a little practice to get the hang of it if you have time, lol.

 

[NinjaSurfer]

Guys, I don't know if you noticed, but he's mostly given up on the thread and trying to ingest all the information presented, so that he can come up with what he thinks is valid and further analyse his personality based on what we said. It's great that you're still showing interest, but you may be wasting your time until he shows interest as well.

I presume that you have "control" issues in your real life.

Plus, remember that INTPs are great at useless wastes of time.

You may have to define "waste of time," as that is a relative term.

 

[Coolydudey]

BAP, I meant the first link (the link to your post).

Ninja: seriously? Control issues? I just stated that because snafu no longer seems to be participating in the thread, you guys may be posting on here asking him questions and giving explanations that will never be seen/answered, and therefore, the time spent posting may be little productive (wasted). Call it friendly advice.

On the other hand, I will shut up now unless somebody wants to have a discussion with me.