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Yet another 'am I really an INTP' thread

boku

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Hi, I've been bugged by how I'm stuck between S/N and J/P for a couple of months now. Tried reading up on the differences, and still can't decide where I stand. Most free online tests place me as INTP, sometimes INTJ and ISTJ. I'm definitely not a ISTP as I don't thrive on activity and prefer to stay at home in front of my computer.

I do think the main problem lies in my temperament. I easily relate to NT and a bit of SJ (the need for stability part).

How I'm like INTP
I have a messy table and for me play comes before homework. xD I got through high school without making a timetable of what I'm going to revise with the time I have. Funny thing is, I hated mindmaps too and loathed it when my teachers shoved it in my face and asked me to make a mindmap, even though she herself said that it's up to us on how we are supposed to study.

I'm a jack of all trades, master of none. Tons of misc hobbies such as solving the rubik's cube, html coding, actionscripting, drawing animals, creating graphics on photoshop... I get very excited about it at first and jump straight into things without planning. I remembered the first time I properly learnt html coding on my own, I got so fired up about creating a website that I took quite a bit of my time finding out the best free webhosting services, where to get free 'domains', etc... When everything got settled, I went "Uh... what should this website be about?" The website wasn't created in the end for those who are curious. :D

Even though I have tons of drive to try out something new, I get bored easily once I reach my goals. Take for example, my goal in solving the rubik's cube was to solve it below 1 min. Once I solved the cube in 40 seconds, I didn't bother aiming for 30 seconds.

I'm interested in life hacks and sometimes do things differently from others, as long as it's logical and works well for me. Example will be that I never understood why people still use qwerty to type when it is meant to slow people down. After years of not being able to touch type with qwerty, I gave up and learnt how to type in colemak.

As for the kind of games I like, I prefer those with strategy and provides room for me to ponder over the problem. I can't seem to think on my feet and fail spectacularly in fighter games.

I love introspecting and thinking about the future more than what is present. l wonder what my motives are for almost every action, second guess myself, think about what I should do in the future regarding jobs, life, etc... For me, I want to do things I enjoy. What's the use of living if I have to do things I don't enjoy? I took up the course Diploma in Games Design and Development because I thought I would finally be able to do the things I like as a job - drawing animals. But, the industry doesn't want people who can only draw animals, they want people who can draw both humans and animals. That means that if I were to pursue a job as a concept artist, I have to force myself to do something I don't like, drawing humans. That means, I have to do things I don't like to be able to do things I don't. It just doesn't make sense to me, I might as well do nothing. Which brought me back to square one. What are my goals for the future? (I think I digressed a bit...)

How I'm not like INTP
As much as I value freedom to do the things I like, I value stability A LOT. I dislike changes because of the unpredictability itself, meaning I can't be as prepared as I want to. I'm afraid of going to unfamiliar places in case I get lost. x_X I'm somewhat responsible as I fear for the consequences. Hate being late, most likely because it has become a habit instilled by my parents from young. I'm realistic and see the world as it is, a dog eat dog world. Even though I procrastinate about the law, I choose not to break most for the fear of landing myself in jail.
Does being realistic throw you towards the S side?
Sometimes, I can't grasp certain abstract theory and/or ideas. Could it be because that particular topic doesn't interest me? Or am I just plainly not cut out to be a N?

My dad's a *STJ and my mum's a *S*J. I'm very sure that they are both of the SJ temperament. They restrict me on doing things and never listens to my siblings and my explanations and reasoning. Just earlier today, my 9 year old brother irritated my mum enough for her to use the cane on him. :/ My mum loves to say something negative on almost anything I say. She said it was unwise to become a concept artist because our country's art scene isn't as developed as other countries'. Then when I suggested that I become a lecturer or teacher teaching subjects I enjoy, she dampens my enthusiasm by telling me not to think that it's an easy job.

So I wonder, am I an INTP who lacks confidence (partially because of my upbringing) and therefore force myself to think more towards S and J, or am I an ISTJ/INTJ who lacks the motivation and self discipline to see through my plans?

Feel free to ask me more questions if I left anything vague and wow, thanks for taking the time to read such a long post.
 

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How I'm not like INTP
As much as I value freedom to do the things I like, I value stability A LOT. I dislike changes because of the unpredictability itself, meaning I can't be as prepared as I want to.

Sorry to disappoint you, but that's an INTP trait too. :p

And I actually know what your username means. That was unexpected.

Welcome to the forum.
 

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boku said:
My dad's a *STJ and my mum's a *S*J. I'm very sure that they are both of the SJ temperament. They restrict me on doing things and never listens to my siblings and my explanations and reasoning. Just earlier today, my 9 year old brother irritated my mum enough for her to use the cane on him. :/ My mum loves to say something negative on almost anything I say. She said it was unwise to become a concept artist because our country's art scene isn't as developed as other countries'. Then when I suggested that I become a lecturer or teacher teaching subjects I enjoy, she dampens my enthusiasm by telling me not to think that it's an easy job.

This alone convinces me that you're definitely an INTP. If you were an S and/or J, I imagine you would be more content to take the practical route. My mom's ISTJ and we often have the same sort of conflict. She never really considers my reasoning, and has always pushed for me to go practical in my future career. I also love making conceptual art, but it looks like I'll probably be doing graphic design as a career instead. I like graphic design, but I find concept art a lot more interesting.

It's also interesting how so many people on this forum said they have SJ parents.
 

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You do realize that humans are animals, right?
 

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Sorry to disappoint you, but that's an INTP trait too. :p

And I actually know what your username means. That was unexpected.

Welcome to the forum.

I thought wanting stability puts me nearer to SJ? Whenever I choose stability over risk, tests throw me towards that side.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boku
Which of those are you referring to? :D

Thanks for the welcome. ^^

This alone convinces me that you're definitely an INTP. If you were an S and/or J, I imagine you would be more content to take the practical route. My mom's ISTJ and we often have the same sort of conflict. She never really considers my reasoning, and has always pushed for me to go practical in my future career. I also love making conceptual art, but it looks like I'll probably be doing graphic design as a career instead. I like graphic design, but I find concept art a lot more interesting.

It's also interesting how so many people on this forum said they have SJ parents.

Well, I'm definitely not content taking the practical route, but after much thought, it seemed like the most logical way to go. Not having what I want to do as a practical route throws me into a dilemma. Choosing that course was one of the first time I let what I want to do rather than practicality guide me.

Maybe SJ parents are too strict and therefore brought out the rebel in us? xD

You do realize that humans are animals, right?

Depends on how you interpret 'humans' and 'animals'. :)
 

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I have a question...
Is your name the japanese male-only term for I (or me I guess).....or am I just being silly?

If so...does that mean you know a little/a lot of Japanese?
 

boku

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I have a question...
Is your name the japanese male-only term for I (or me I guess).....or am I just being silly?

If so...does that mean you know a little/a lot of Japanese?

Nope, you aren't being silly, your are spot on. :) 'boku' isn't really a male-only term though, it's slightly towards the masculine side and a few tomboyish females use them too.

I'm bilingual in English and Chinese, took up Japanese about a year ago as I wanted to understand what the characters in the anime I watch are speaking about without having to read the subtitles. I know a little bit of Japanese, knowing only Hiragana, one of the three Japanese writing system. My vocab is still very limited and most of them came from watching anime rather than from the Japanese lessons.

The reason for choosing 'boku' is because I'm a tomboy in real life and was wondering if I would have used 'boku' instead of 'watashi' if I were to be born and raised in a Japanese speaking family. xD
 

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ooh....I've started learning Japanese see..


I'm concentrating mostly on the Kanjii.
I've got the Hiragana covered.


It's a fascinating langague actually....
 

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Welcome to the the forums. I can really relate to what you wrote, I had, and still have somewhat, the same issues regarding INTP-ness as you so this is a most welcome thread.
 

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Depends on how you interpret 'humans' and 'animals'. :)

That statement alone could qualify you for INTPhood
Welcome to the community!
 

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Hi boku! Hanging around here should convince you either of your sanity or your INTPness.

Welcome.
 

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Why thank you, sweetheart.

But you do yourself no justice.
 

boku

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ooh....I've started learning Japanese see..


I'm concentrating mostly on the Kanjii.
I've got the Hiragana covered.


It's a fascinating langague actually....

Fascinating language indeed. :D

Welcome to the the forums. I can really relate to what you wrote, I had, and still have somewhat, the same issues regarding INTP-ness as you so this is a most welcome thread.

That statement alone could qualify you for INTPhood
Welcome to the community!

Hi boku! Hanging around here should convince you either of your sanity or your INTPness.

Welcome.

Thanks for the warm welcomes. :)

I was referring to the Japanese pronoun, of which I recently learned at random from some article on http://tvtropes.org/.

Ah, tvtropes. I had fun spending hours reading articles and getting linked from an article to another.


I'm slightly confused as to why S is considered more action-oriented than N. How is it that sensors are more inclined to be more active compared to intuitors?
For one, looking through a list of words describing both, I think I'm both.

Sensor
Concrete (Not sure)
Realistic (Yes)
Lives in the present (No)
Aware of surroundings (No)
Notices details (Sometimes)
Practical (Yes)
Goes by senses (Not sure)
Factual (Goes either way with theoretical)

Intuitor
Future-focused (Yes)
Sees possibilities (Hardly, the world is too rigid)
Inventive (Not sure)
Imaginitive (Not sure)
Deep (Yes)
Abstract (No)
Idealistic (Yes, but they won't work)
Complicated (Yes)
Theoretical (Goes either way with Factual)

I'm practical, realistic and can be caught up with detail for subjects I'm interested in. I'm not sure if I'm imaginative enough because I have difficulty picturing something surrealistic. I'm thrifty and prefer to buy things that have a use rather than things that only look good. The only exception will be manga titles I'm highly interested in. My friends will consider me as a sensor too, since I prefer to dampen their spirits with realistic deductions. :evil: I doubt my 'instincts' (if any) and usually do things the practical way.

However, I lack the 'action' part that sensors have. (Compare ISTP and INTP) I don't have the motivation to do plenty of things, I prefer to think through things in my head. I keep thinking of what I want to do later, then end up not doing what I planned to because it's too troublesome and I'm lazy. I'm more aware of my thoughts than the surroundings and as a result of not being observant enough, I get lost in places I'm not familiar with easily. That's also partially the reason why I prefer to know where we go in advance so that I can ask how to get there without getting lost.
 

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Good stuff!

Welcome!


We can learn Japanese together then!
 

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Fascinating language indeed. :D







Thanks for the warm welcomes. :)
Sensor
Concrete (Not sure)
Realistic (Yes)
Lives in the present (No)
Aware of surroundings (No)
Notices details (Sometimes)
Practical (Yes)
Goes by senses (Not sure)
Factual (Goes either way with theoretical)

Intuitor
Future-focused (Yes)
Sees possibilities (Hardly, the world is too rigid)
Inventive (Not sure)
Imaginitive (Not sure)
Deep (Yes)
Abstract (No)
Idealistic (Yes, but they won't work)
Complicated (Yes)
Theoretical (Goes either way with Factual)

From my perspective, I view S-types as relatively simple-minded
I know that it is a generalization that's rather hyperbolic
but my point is that, being focused in the Here and Now
They are more susceptible to "knee-jerk" reactions to changes in their environments.
Often functioning in a Stimulus-Response mode
that does not involve much thought (relatively speaking)
 

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I like your new signature.
 

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Don't go to the Picnic (important bit, that's for Teddy Bears ISTP). Refuse the advances if the Mother and run off with the Daughter on a Wayward Bus.

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