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Rome96

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Hi. New here.

Most people here probably don't believe there to be any real purpose in life. I am a 17 year old agnostic and live with my VERY religious family in Sweden. My parents hate their lives, yet they don't dwell on it much because they believe that Allah will grant them a better after-life with honey and virgins and what not.. I don't believe that there has to be a purpose in life, that said I don't know for sure that life is meaningless. Ever since I denounced my religion at age 13, without my parents knowledge obviously, I've been pretty much depressed and unmotivated. I am more intelligent than anybody I know, but I don't take much pride in that since I live in a very religious community full off idiots, yet I am also the most unproductive person I know. In a few years I'll die and everything that is me will (maybe, probably) cease to exist. I will be gone and everything that I've done in my life will have been meaningless. So why should I go on? I'm not saying that I'll kill myself, that would be selfish, what I am saying is; I wake up in the morning and I can't come up with a single reason for me to get out of bed. I want to become an author, probably won't make it big though, but I don't see why I should make the effort. I could become a doctor easily and make a lot of money, and will probably go on to do that, but I won't take much pleasure from any of it. I don't have any real skills, I play the guitar horribly, draw like a 10-year old. I envy religious people because they have actual bliss. I'm not stupid enough to be happy but neither am I intelligent enough to make a significant mark on the world.

I should probably just wrap this up now. There is no ultimate answer to what the purpose of life is, if there even is a purpose, so what is your motivation to doing what you do each day? I don't expect anyone to care about this, but if you actually took your time to read this, thank you, and give me your thoughts on the subject. :)
 

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You should really read Dale Carnegie book 'How to stop worrying' :)

Fascinating read.

I'll tell you a reason to live which is VERY compelling: when you die, you stop existing, there is no afterlife or other bs and it is a hell a lot more fun to be alive then being eaten by worms. What motivation do you need dude?

If you don't like your parents views, then search for other ideas. I don't like my parents also. They don't want to achieve something grand in life while I do. I crave this. And I'm moving forward.
 

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The purpose of life is to get out of bed in the morning.

Then the next purpose is to do all the rest of what you have to do the rest of the day. The great thing is that my life purpose keeps changing which keeps it interesting.
 

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Death is inevitable. Let's say I have another 50 years left on this earth, compare that to the 4.6 billion years that the earth has existed. Seems insubstantial, doesn't it? That's all I'm getting at, in the grand scheme of things my life is insubstantial so I don't see a point in making an effort. It'll all be over soon and then none of it will matter to me, because I will not exist anymore. Someday I'll reproduce and then my purpose will have been achieved and then I'll die and rot. As you can see my outlook on life is very optimistic..
 
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Your post reminds me of some lyrics from a song I heard moments ago: "I wake up every morning and there's nothing there, no reason to die but no reason to care."

Sit down, think about what would make you truly content in life, and do your best to achieve it. Live your life in a way that, when you're on your death bed, you can look back and be proud of your time spent on earth. Give yourself meaning - it's not that difficult. There doesn't have to be a grand universal purpose for all. And constantly fretting over death is detrimental to living, you know. We all do it, but it's horribly illogical.
 

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Find something that interests you. The nihilist's purpose in life is to define their own meaning. Take up hedonism or something. There's all sorts of stuff you could be doing with yourself, you just need to go out and find something you like. And you can't assume that just because you're not presently awesome at something, you will never be. That's self-defeatism. No one was born knowing eight languages and playing the piano with their nose hairs, they had to work at it. Since you won't live for others out of the blissful ignorance conferred by religion, know that you can, and should, live for yourself.
 

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In a way, all that life is is finding a reason to live. It's not always easy, but you just keep searching for an answer til you find it. You have to addict yourself to that search, that uncertainty.
 

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The nihilist's purpose in life is to define their own meaning.

Meh, I'd call that more existentialism, but at some point the line between it and nihilism becomes blurred.

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As for advice to the OP: I'd encourage you to start reading the French existentialist works, although perhaps I give that advice far too often :)

You're approaching the existential questions from the point of religious agnosticism and, more than nihilism, doubt. I'd recommend some of Sartre's works, especially "Existentialism is a Humanism" or "Huis Clos". But, most of all, read Albert Camus' "Myth of Sisyphus". Will reading these books alone get you out of bed? No, but they might give you a philosophical backing for living, and the prose (especially Camus') is so beautiful that it could help with the emotional struggle out of your depressed state.

A more concrete piece of advice: Change your environment and your mind could follow. This may be hard as a 17-year-old, but you will probably be going to university soon enough. When you get there, don't leave your mindset where it was at home.
 

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Hi. New here.

Most people here probably don't believe there to be any real purpose in life. I am a 17 year old agnostic and live with my VERY religious family in Sweden. My parents hate their lives, yet they don't dwell on it much because they believe that Allah will grant them a better after-life with honey and virgins and what not.. I don't believe that there has to be a purpose in life, that said I don't know for sure that life is meaningless. Ever since I denounced my religion at age 13, without my parents knowledge obviously, I've been pretty much depressed and unmotivated. I am more intelligent than anybody I know, but I don't take much pride in that since I live in a very religious community full off idiots, yet I am also the most unproductive person I know. In a few years I'll die and everything that is me will (maybe, probably) cease to exist. I will be gone and everything that I've done in my life will have been meaningless. So why should I go on? I'm not saying that I'll kill myself, that would be selfish, what I am saying is; I wake up in the morning and I can't come up with a single reason for me to get out of bed. I want to become an author, probably won't make it big though, but I don't see why I should make the effort. I could become a doctor easily and make a lot of money, and will probably go on to do that, but I won't take much pleasure from any of it. I don't have any real skills, I play the guitar horribly, draw like a 10-year old. I envy religious people because they have actual bliss. I'm not stupid enough to be happy but neither am I intelligent enough to make a significant mark on the world.

I should probably just wrap this up now. There is no ultimate answer to what the purpose of life is, if there even is a purpose, so what is your motivation to doing what you do each day? I don't expect anyone to care about this, but if you actually took your time to read this, thank you, and give me your thoughts on the subject. :)
You're a virgin, eh?
 

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Hi. New here.

Most people here probably don't believe there to be any real purpose in life. I am a 17 year old agnostic and live with my VERY religious family in Sweden. My parents hate their lives, yet they don't dwell on it much because they believe that Allah will grant them a better after-life with honey and virgins and what not.. I don't believe that there has to be a purpose in life, that said I don't know for sure that life is meaningless. Ever since I denounced my religion at age 13, without my parents knowledge obviously, I've been pretty much depressed and unmotivated. I am more intelligent than anybody I know, but I don't take much pride in that since I live in a very religious community full off idiots, yet I am also the most unproductive person I know. In a few years I'll die and everything that is me will (maybe, probably) cease to exist. I will be gone and everything that I've done in my life will have been meaningless. So why should I go on? I'm not saying that I'll kill myself, that would be selfish, what I am saying is; I wake up in the morning and I can't come up with a single reason for me to get out of bed. I want to become an author, probably won't make it big though, but I don't see why I should make the effort. I could become a doctor easily and make a lot of money, and will probably go on to do that, but I won't take much pleasure from any of it. I don't have any real skills, I play the guitar horribly, draw like a 10-year old. I envy religious people because they have actual bliss. I'm not stupid enough to be happy but neither am I intelligent enough to make a significant mark on the world.

I should probably just wrap this up now. There is no ultimate answer to what the purpose of life is, if there even is a purpose, so what is your motivation to doing what you do each day? I don't expect anyone to care about this, but if you actually took your time to read this, thank you, and give me your thoughts on the subject. :)

Why does life--or your life--need a purpose in the first place? I, for example, get out of bed for various reasons, usually to do something interesting or important.

-Duxwing
 

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Become a doctor.

Get rich.

Buy a strip club.

Burst into the room to find all of your parents religious friends drooling at naked infidels and yell "GOTCHA, YA BASTARD!" like the crocodile hunter - and you will finally find inner peace :)
 

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You're a virgin, eh?

Haha, I guess that is a reason to get up in the morning. Not really possible with the super religious parents though :P.
 

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Become a doctor.

Get rich.

Buy a strip club.

Burst into the room to find all of your parents religious friends drooling at naked infidels and yell "GOTCHA, YA BASTARD!" like the crocodile hunter - and you will finally find inner peace :)

Totally doing that
 

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Why does life--or your life--need a purpose in the first place? I, for example, get out of bed for various reasons, usually to do something interesting or important.

-Duxwing

Without a purpose, those important things aren't really that important, are they? I'm not really that depressed, mostly just bored and apathetic. There is a lot of good in life but as of right now it's out of my reach, so it's hard to distract myself from the impending doom that is death. Maybe you're right, I should just abandon my search for a purpose (since it's pointless) and just try to enjoy life.. I just kind of wish I'd been born into an intelligent family atleast..
 

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Your post reminds me of some lyrics from a song I heard moments ago: "I wake up every morning and there's nothing there, no reason to die but no reason to care."

Sit down, think about what would make you truly content in life, and do your best to achieve it. Live your life in a way that, when you're on your death bed, you can look back and be proud of your time spent on earth. Give yourself meaning - it's not that difficult. There doesn't have to be a grand universal purpose for all. And constantly fretting over death is detrimental to living, you know. We all do it, but it's horribly illogical.

Awesome song.

Problem is, I have no idea what would make me content, is it even possible to be content with life? I have no passion for anything really, except maybe writing, although I've felt my passion for that waning as well. But I doubt I'm good enough to actually become a published author.. What makes you content, what is your life goal?
 

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Meh, I'd call that more existentialism, but at some point the line between it and nihilism becomes blurred.

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As for advice to the OP: I'd encourage you to start reading the French existentialist works, although perhaps I give that advice far too often :)

You're approaching the existential questions from the point of religious agnosticism and, more than nihilism, doubt. I'd recommend some of Sartre's works, especially "Existentialism is a Humanism" or "Huis Clos". But, most of all, read Albert Camus' "Myth of Sisyphus". Will reading these books alone get you out of bed? No, but they might give you a philosophical backing for living, and the prose (especially Camus') is so beautiful that it could help with the emotional struggle out of your depressed state.

A more concrete piece of advice: Change your environment and your mind could follow. This may be hard as a 17-year-old, but you will probably be going to university soon enough. When you get there, don't leave your mindset where it was at home.

I'll check those books out. Can't do anything about my environment yet, but when I can I'll try to keep what you said in mind.
 

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Why do you get out of bed in the morning?

Because it's physically incalculable for me to stay in bed all day, that is, one would get bed sores.

So I get out of bed to prevent bed sores.
 

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Most morons seem to get out of bed in the morning to earn money and get laid.

Most above-average types find some sort of cause or higher purpose that inspires them to get out of bed in the morning.

The few savvy geniuses realize all of those causes and higher purposes are shams and decide to get out of bed in the morning to make money and get laid.
 

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Without a purpose, those important things aren't really that important, are they? I'm not really that depressed, mostly just bored and apathetic. There is a lot of good in life but as of right now it's out of my reach, so it's hard to distract myself from the impending doom that is death. Maybe you're right, I should just abandon my search for a purpose (since it's pointless) and just try to enjoy life.. I just kind of wish I'd been born into an intelligent family atleast..

Proving any statement objectively true-- in this case, "I need a purpose"--is impossible because of various philosophical hurdles (e.g., The Is-Ought Problem and the Munchausen Trilemma); therefore, philosophy could not have driven you to wanting a purpose. The next most likely cause for your wanting a purpose would be an emotional one.

You're "bored and apathetic" and don't find "those important things... really that important" anymore. Perhaps you believe that finding a "purpose" will relieve your boredom and apathy and allow you to "just... enjoy life".

-Duxwing

PS We might be derailing. PM me if you'd like to continue our discussion. :)
 

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Most morons seem to get out of bed in the morning to earn money and get laid.

Most above-average types find some sort of cause or higher purpose that inspires them to get out of bed in the morning.

The few savvy geniuses realize all of those causes and higher purposes are shams and decide to get out of bed in the morning to make money and get laid.

Tell that to Nikola Tesla :)
 

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Sounds like you're still looking at the world from a religious perspective, only without the ignorant bliss that comes with it. There is no "purpose of life", there is only the purpose of YOUR life, and you get to decide what that is, and there is no wrong answer. Never has there been a more useless idea propagated by religion than that non-conscious entities and concepts need purpose, or else they are meaningless.

What is the purpose of life? Is life meaningless? These are not even valid questions- purpose and meaning belong to individuals alone. Don't cling to the invalid questions raised by religion despite discarding their invalid answers.

Anyway, I get out of bed when there are things I want to do that are away from my bed. If there aren't, I don't.
 

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Sounds like you're still looking at the world from a religious perspective, only without the ignorant bliss that comes with it. There is no "purpose of life", there is only the purpose of YOUR life, and you get to decide what that is, and there is no wrong answer. Never has there been a more useless idea propagated by religion than that non-conscious entities and concepts need purpose, or else they are meaningless.

What is the purpose of life? Is life meaningless? These are not even valid questions- purpose and meaning belong to individuals alone. Don't cling to the invalid questions raised by religion despite discarding their invalid answers.

Anyway, I get out of bed when there are things I want to do that are away from my bed. If there aren't, I don't.

The purpose of this thread was finding out how other people deal with the lack of purpose, not actually finding out what the purpose of life is, because I don't actually believe that there is one. Wondering if there is anything beyond the life that we know, something that we cannot comprehend isn't valid? I don't actually believe that there is something, I'm just open to the possibility that there just might be. What is the purpose of YOUR life then?
 

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Srs? Even easier with religious parents, BRO.
Get them to introduce to to all those 'nice lil' church girls.'
IFYKWIM...
You get her all...SNAFU

Muslims, dude. Girls with burka and if you look at them, you get stoned. And I don't mean the good kind of stoned.
 

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Muslims, dude. Girls with burka

I LOVE SURPRISES!!!

and if you look at them, you get stoned. And I don't mean the good kind of stoned.

Ever heard of doing it with the lights off? NO HARM NO FOUL!!!

Damn, bad trips suck :/




////lol


On a serious note, how's the muslim population in Sweden?
 

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I LOVE SURPRISES!!!



Ever heard of doing it with the lights off? NO HARM NO FOUL!!!

Damn, bad trips suck :/




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On a serious note, how's the muslim population in Sweden?

Just as ignorant as in the rest of the world. :)
It's funny how they live in this country and constantly judge the citizens, calling them sluts and sinners. Most muslims hate the swedes lol..
 

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Well, I'd rather die doing something than wallowing in bed. When you realize that there's no purpose to life and decide for whatever reason to live instead of kill yourself, life seems less disgusting and more enjoyable. Failure and death are inevitable, no need to worry. Enjoy some post-suicidal levity and the absurdity of life.

Being trapped with your family and your present environment won't last forever. I'm sure you will eventually find some godless bastards somewhere, it's Sweden ffs! You could make that your short-term goal.
 

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Haha, I guess that is a reason to get up in the morning. Not really possible with the super religious parents though :P.
Gross. Have sex with girls your own age.
 

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The purpose of this thread was finding out how other people deal with the lack of purpose, not actually finding out what the purpose of life is, because I don't actually believe that there is one. Wondering if there is anything beyond the life that we know, something that we cannot comprehend isn't valid? I don't actually believe that there is something, I'm just open to the possibility that there just might be. What is the purpose of YOUR life then?

But that's my point; you cannot deal with the lack of purpose because the question of purpose is not valid in the first place, there is nothing to deal with. If you're wondering whether there is or isn't a purpose of life then you've already missed it, because there actually cannot be. Purpose belongs to individuals alone.

Trying to put your entire life into a single purpose is hardly better. It is at least possible for an individual to have purpose, rather than the impossibility of a concept having purpose. But beyond that, a single purpose for your life still doesn't get you anywhere, only the tiniest of steps beyond that same religious framework. If I had to pick one single purpose for my life, it would be to reproduce- but since that doesn't really do anything for me at this point in my life it's still a pretty useless question.
 

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I get out of bed in the morning because it feels better than laying in bed all day. If you don't have the energy to get out of bed, you may be suffering from depression or anxiety or inattentive adhd or something else. It's possible to be happy and productive while believing there is no ultimate purpose in your life or that, whatever you do, it won't mean anything in the long run.

If you really need that ultimate purpose, you could pretend there is one. Weave fantasy-based themes into your life, for example. Invent your own incentives, such as your own god. Just have fun with it. After all, none of it really matters in the grand scheme of things.
 
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What makes me content? I'm pretty straight forward. So long as I'm able to do and learn new things as much as I please, I'll probably be content. Just adding to my base of knowledge provides me with hours of satisfied entertainment.

As for being an author, do you have anything to lose for trying? Go for it. At worst, you don't get published, and need to find a new passion. But on the other hand, you could just as easily get published and bam: your goal is reality.
 

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Hi Rome. 17 eh? Your story tells me you aren't doing much to take advantage of life. That's why you are preoccupied with death.

Strict Muslim parents? Since you see outside that, I'd recommend preparing for when you can leave this environment. (You said you can't yet.) It's going to be exciting for you as you can hope to see how others ... non Muslims or even other people of religion live.

I am retired (from work) and probably nearer to the end of my life than you are to its beginning. So I've found plenty to do with my life. But that took preparation. I worked to get here. A famous psychologist (I think it was Alfred Adler) said there are three requirements to finding a satisfactorily happy place in life. Those are (paraphrase) social, vocational, love.

Since you are 17 and presumably at home, why not prepare for those? Recognize if you have any love leanings? Think about possible vocations or schooling (highly recommended) for vocations above and beyond writing. Even a poor vocation will give you some independence from what you are currently dissatisfied with. Social? Make some contacts or set yourself up so you can do that. Find out who you like and who is bad for you. All of these should be unknowns at present.

I'll stop here.
 

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Hi Rome. 17 eh? Your story tells me you aren't doing much to take advantage of life. That's why you are preoccupied with death.

Strict Muslim parents? Since you see outside that, I'd recommend preparing for when you can leave this environment. (You said you can't yet.) It's going to be exciting for you as you can hope to see how others ... non Muslims or even other people of religion live.

I am retired (from work) and probably nearer to the end of my life than you are to its beginning. So I've found plenty to do with my life. But that took preparation. I worked to get here. A famous psychologist (I think it was Alfred Adler) said there are three requirements to finding a satisfactorily happy place in life. Those are (paraphrase) social, vocational, love.

Since you are 17 and presumably at home, why not prepare for those? Recognize if you have any love leanings? Think about possible vocations or schooling (highly recommended) for vocations above and beyond writing. Even a poor vocation will give you some independence from what you are currently dissatisfied with. Social? Make some contacts or set yourself up so you can do that. Find out who you like and who is bad for you. All of these should be unknowns at present.

I'll stop here.

I just have this feeling that I shouldn't be too optimistic, since I might be disappointed that way. I was really optimistic about starting high school and it has turned out to be an utter waste of time.

I'm going to try to start reading books again, I've always liked educating myself, just lacked the will lately. My situation will probably get a lot better once I'm 18 and get control over my life. I just wanted to see how other people dealt with the lack of religion, since it seems to be that a religious life is much simpler, and some answers here were interesting.
 

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Life is a free game of chance; some get lucky, others not so much.

The lucky ones shouldn't feel obliged to use their gifts simply because the have them. You can do whatever you want.

There may well be no official reason to existence... So what? Does there have to be?

All that matters is that you are here irrespective of some higher purpose. There might not be anything after you pass, so you might as well humour yourself and play the game whilst you're here.

Sometimes, I don't get out of bed in the morning. Sometimes, I'm quite content to lie semi-conscious in bed where stretching feels blissful and my dreams are more memorable.
 

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I come out of bed because I need to take a pee. After that, I get hungry so I eat my breakfast, and then I find it more fun/interesting to play guitar and sit on the internet than going back to bed.
 
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Death is inevitable. Let's say I have another 50 years left on this earth, compare that to the 4.6 billion years that the earth has existed. Seems insubstantial, doesn't it? That's all I'm getting at, in the grand scheme of things my life is insubstantial so I don't see a point in making an effort. It'll all be over soon and then none of it will matter to me, because I will not exist anymore. Someday I'll reproduce and then my purpose will have been achieved and then I'll die and rot. As you can see my outlook on life is very optimistic..

Hey!
There is great advice on here already but your OP really got to me so i'm replying anyway.
I have 20 years on you but my childhood circumstances were similar, although with a lesser degree of religiosity . I spent much time waiting for the mothership to come and take me away to somewhere i'd find less incomprehensible. It's no wonder you don't feel like getting out of bed. Also, i'm assuming that your bedroom is your santuary from your family - further reason to stay in bed.
You've already accepted the most brutal truth - life is inherently meaningless and fleeting but this is what makes existence so precious (a point which is easy to miss entirely from a religious perspective). This can also be rather amusing if your humour is so inclined which yours seems like it might be.
If you find others with whom you can honestly share your ideas with and whose ideas you respect and are inspired by you will be bouncing out of bed, i'm sure. Hiding your loss of faith and all the ensuing implications that has from your family must be exhausting, isolating and depressing
You will probably feel very different once you are officially an 'adult' and have more control over your own life. Meanwhile, don't look for external meaning or validation, look for ways to enjoy your existence. And don't worry about failure - so what if your book doesn't sell or the guitar sounds like a dying cat in your hands? - if you enjoyed writing it/playing it then it was worth it for that reason alone, and if you enjoyed it enough despite failing, you will be compelled to learn more and try again. If you fail again it doesn't matter anyway because you'll soon be dead!
Hope you find this remotely helpfull. Good luck for the future.

“There is something infantile in the presumption that somebody else has a responsibility to give your life meaning and point… The truly adult view, by contrast, is that our life is as meaningful, as full and as wonderful as we choose to make it.”
Richard Dawkins
 

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I've got a better, or more accurate answer.

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Seriously though, not that this applies to you, but I find thinking in this manner can turn a half empty glass of water into a half full one: The earth is about 4.5 billion years old and through the chain of events from the big bang to the death of countless stars that created all the elements that make up your body and the fact that those elements your body is comprised of are partaking in a continuous process of cellular and elemental renewal in such a way that, physically, your are nearly an entirely different person every few years, yet remain nearly indistinguishably intact as the same identifiable entity you were born as. You can also lay on the grass at night and observe the light from that stars that are thousands, if not millions, of light years away, not knowing what the universe actually looks like at this very moment because it takes so long for the light of these distant stars to reach your eyes. To me, all this is pretty fucking awesome. Does it feel pointless sometimes? It sure the hell does, but I would much rather be alive trying to understand the world around me and accumulating knowledge that maybe I can leave behind for those homo sapiens that were lucky enough to become born as a creature that is capable of understanding the information I, and other, pass down to them. Hopefully they can use the knowledge being created as I type to build a better world of tomorrow, to extend people's lives, reduce the prevalence of pain and suffering, to create new technologies that will further aid the development of our species; to keep our species from slipping into another Dark Age of ignorance and religious superstition. Maybe someday we will even be able to expand beyond our planet and into other solar systems and who knows what we will learn about our origins along the way. In the meantime, I have to go piss again.
 

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I've got a better, or more accurate answer.

"To get on the computer"

Literal truth.

A side effect of charging my iPhone by my bedside in the evening is reaching the Internet without rising in the morning. :)

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