What makes you any different?

[Chad]

Okay, Here is my newest thought about this forum.

Meany of us came here to find a place to fit into. This is attractive mostly because as INTPs we really don't fit in with the average crowed.

However, the more time I spend on here the more I realize that I am not like other people on this forum.

This may be a disappointment, because I did join this forum to find agreement. However, I don't think this is bad or that I am out of place here. I find that most people on here are not the same. The ones that are, are simply conforming to the norm that is the forum site.

Therefore I decided to make this thread for people to examine and share stories about what makes them different and maybe even why this happened in the first place.


I will start out just listing one of the key differences between myself and many INTPs on this forum site. (There are many differences and I wish to go into more but I don't want to make this OP to long so I will only share one to start with). Please don't respond to my (differences) unless it relates to differences you seem to have form other INTPs. I am not intending to make a thread about myself I am only presenting examples to get us started.

Its seems like many of the INTPs on this site were either raised in a non-religious home (that they enjoyed) or in a religious home were they felt that there parents religion hurt them some how.

I was raised in a religious home but I never felt any negativity to who or what I was form my parents or anyone else in there religious community. I felt accepted for who I was and what I was good at. My INTPness has allowed me to make connections between my personal beliefs and my respect for Science that have shown only to increase my faith over time. I have found that I am far form a traditionalist and I find the older I get the more irritated I am by traditionalist thinking. However, I don't directly relate traditionalist thinking to my faith. My faith is a personal choice with very personal importance to me. This importance doesn't extended to religious traditions of any kind. I for one would be find not celebrating commercialized religious holidays if it wasn't form my wife's fondness to them.

I don't accept traditional held beliefs are true just because some people believe them. Like I am %100 sure that Christ wasn't born on December 25, and his name was Joshua not Jesus. However, I have learn not to argue these points with people who need to believe these are truths to make since of there faith.

Sadly I have yet to meat another person that is as passionate about finding the truths in Christianity while at the same time equally as passionate about ridding the faith of the mythology that is prevalent in it.

I have meet many atheist that have a hard time with the mythical untruths of Christianity. However, none of them are passionate about the truths in it and many of them have been scared in someway by others peoples beliefs. I have also yet to find a Christian that will argue against christian traditionalism even with a 10 ft pole of protection. This is because it is consider disrespectful to do so.

Edit: This is not a thread about what make me different. I am only using myself as an example. I want to hear about what make you guys different.

 

[Cognisant]

Sadly I have yet to meat another person that is as passionate about finding the truths in Christianity while at the same time equally as passionate about ridding the faith of the mythology that is prevalent in it.

But it's the mythology that makes Jesus, Joshua, or whoever more than simply an important sociopolitical leader of his time, I mean the Pharaohs were incredibly influential people in their time but they're not relevant to us today as anything more than a historical curiosity.

Well actually that's not true, I'm sure there's still some who practice the old ways to whatever extent the modern world allows them, which may be relevant to our discussion, tell me what do you as someone who (I assume) doesn't believe in the ancient egyptian deities, think of people still worshipping them?

To you their mythology may just be mythology and for them to worship it may seem archaic and irrationally superstitious, but what stops them having the same perspective of you?

I don't mean to push you into a defensive position , it's just that I don't see how someone can rationally have faith, y'know by the very definition of it faith is not rational, so when you talk of approaching faith rationally you seem to me to be of two minds. I agree with you in the sense that the mythology of religion is just that, mythology, but I don't know how you reconcile that perspective with whatever point where you draw the line between what's mythology or not and start believing.

 

[Cognisant]

I imagine a hardline Christian would say much the same thing, in a completely different way of course

 

[Kuu]

I have meet many atheist that have a hard time with the mythical untruths of Christianity. However, none of them are passionate about the truths in it

Which would be those truths in it you mention?

 

[Duxwing]

Okay, Here is my newest thought about this forum.

Meany of us came here to find a place to fit into. This is attractive mostly because as INTPs we really don't fit in with the average crowed.

However, the more time I spend on here the more I realize that I am not like other people on this forum.

This may be a disappointment, because I did join this forum to find agreement. However, I don't think this is bad or that I am out of place here. I find that most people on here are not the same. The ones that are, are simply conforming to the norm that is the forum site.

There for I decided to make this thread for people to examine as share stories about what makes them different and maybe even why this happened in the first place.


I will start out about listing one of the key differences I between myself and many INTPs on this forum site. (There are many differences and I wish to go into more but I don't want to make this OP to long so I will only share one to start with).

Its seems like many of the INTPs on this site were either raised in a non-religious home (that they enjoyed) or in a religious home were they felt that there parents religion hurt them some how.

I was raised in a religious home but I never felt any negativity to who or what I was form my parents or anyone else in there religious community. I felt accepted for who I was and what I was good at. My INTPness has allowed me to make connections between my personal beliefs and my respect for Science that have shown only to increase my faith over time. I have found that I am far form a traditionalist and I find the older I get the more irritated I am by traditionalist thinking. However, I don't directly relate traditionalist thinking to my faith. My faith is a personal choice with very personal importance to me. This importance doesn't extended to religious traditions of any kind. I for one would be find not celebrating commercialized religious holidays if it wasn't form my wife's fondness to them.

I don't accept traditional held beliefs are true just because some people believe them. Like I am %100 sure that Christ wasn't born on December 25, and his name was Joshua not Jesus. However, I have learn not to argue these points with people who need to believe these are truths to make since of there faith.

Sadly I have yet to meat another person that is as passionate about finding the truths in Christianity while at the same time equally as passionate about ridding the faith of the mythology that is prevalent in it.

I have meet many atheist that have a hard time with the mythical untruths of Christianity. However, none of them are passionate about the truths in it and many of them have been scared in someway by others peoples beliefs. I have also yet to find a Christian that will argue against christian traditionalism even with a 10 ft pole of protection. This is because it is consider disrespectful to do so.

Chad, why did you include only one example of being different? You seem to be more focused on the fact that you're frustrated about our not agreeing with you on matters of religion than about examining differences among us.

-Duxwing

 

[Chad]

But it's the mythology that makes Jesus, Joshua, or whoever more than simply an important sociopolitical leader of his time, I mean the Pharaohs were incredibly influential people in their time but they're not relevant to us today as anything more than a historical curiosity.

Well actually that's not true, I'm sure there's still some who practice the old ways to whatever extent the modern world allows them, which may be relevant to our discussion, tell me what do you as someone who (I assume) doesn't believe in the ancient egyptian deities, think of people still worshipping them?

To you their mythology may just be mythology and for them to worship it may seem archaic and irrationally superstitious, but what stops them having the same perspective of you?

I don't mean to push you into a defensive position , it's just that I don't see how someone can rationally have faith, y'know by the very definition of it faith is not rational, so when you talk of approaching faith rationally you seem to me to be of two minds. I agree with you in the sense that the mythology of religion is just that, mythology, but I don't know how you reconcile that perspective with whatever point where you draw the line between what's mythology or not and start believing.

I wouldn't mind discoursing these issues with you but not on this thread. I really am more interested in what make you different and not that you don't agree with what make me different.

I told you my mindset is different then other INTPs on this forum and that is what I want to explore. This is not a religious debate forum.

I believe answering your questions here would make this thread impossible to continue meaningfully in for the reason I attended. I am sorry but I have to respectfully decline answering your questions hear in now. I would be perfectly willing to answer them at some other time in place (thread).

Back to the Question at hand what make you different? Could you please elaborate on how you mindset is different than others on this forum.

Point 2.

I am far less introverted then most INTPs on this forum. Also what motivates me to be introverted the convenience/time it gives me to think. Since thinking is by far my most active pursuit I come across as very introverted most of the time.

However, I am not scared of people (strangers) or crowds. I am socially awkward but mostly because I have no interest in improving my social standing more then necessary. I can handle social situation is little stress. I don't care if people see me or what they think of me when they see me. I personally have constructed my image to come across as aloof, arrogant, nerdy and analytical.

These a are all natural traits for me but I generally publicize my presents more so then I need. Mostly because it acts as a warning signs to someone who gets irritated easily by aloof, arrogant, nerdy and analytical people. These type of people generally avoid me. Which is better for both of us.

I am an Introvert but mostly by my own construction. I motivated to be introverted by fear or awkwardness. I am Introverted because I like being introverted. It generally helpful to my thought process to be introverted however, when I need to exert myself socially I am perfectly capable of doing so.

 

[SpaceYeti]

I have meet many atheist that have a hard time with the mythical untruths of Christianity. However, none of them are passionate about the truths in it and many of them have been scared in someway by others peoples beliefs.

You're ignoring the fact that atheists tend to regard Christianity (or any religion, really) as nothing more than silly myths. Thus, any truths the myths contain are truths you can find places besides those myths, and with more relevance to the real world. Basically, if a thing is true, it's true regardless that a religion got it right or wrong, and we know it's true through methods unrelated to the religion, thus making the religion entirely unnecessary in discovering that truth.

I don't know what you mean by being scared, though. There are people who are so stubbornly stuck in the ir-reason of their religion that I do not trust them to make good choices when, for example, voting for their representatives or new laws, but I'm not scared of them except in their tendency to spread their ignorance.

 

[Chad]

Chad, why did you include only one example of being different? You seem to be more focused on the fact that you're frustrated about our not agreeing with you on matters of religion than about examining differences among us.

-Duxwing

Read my post above. I wanted to keep it short to start with. I mentioned in the post that I had other differences and I stated another just before this.

I am also not replaying to posts about my religious views on this thread. I am glade you realized this was not that place for that.

 

[Chad]

I repeat this is not a thread about religion please try to stay on track so far no one as answered my question.

 

[Hawkeye]

It could be that INTP is a stereotype and therefore inaccurate. Reading into the traits of an INTP are as useful as reading Zodiac star signs.

You'll find that when people come to an agreement on a particular thread of thought, their opinions will differ wildly on others. I can safely say there are no two people on here that have identical views on everything (multiple accounts being an exception of course ^^)

 

[Cognisant]

Regardless of what your views are having incongruent views makes you hard to relate to and thus you have difficulty relating to others, I'm not saying your views are wrong, I may have implied it but that's just me being biased, ignore it, the point I really want to make is that if you address that incongruity (however you address it) the resulting congruence will make you more relatable to others and so you'll have an easier time finding people who you can relate to.

Is that a good thing? I dunno.

All my life my family has tried to impress upon me a love of football (rugby) because they love it and by sharing an appreciation for something like that I'll be better socially connected to them and everyone else in society that loves football too. But I resisted, I thought it was dumb then and I still think it's dumb now, indeed I seem to be compelled to shun anything that people are commonly interested in favour of my own esoteric interests, which has of course has lead me to the relative social fringes of society.

Which isn't a bad thing, the stuff people are normally interested in is often crap

 

[SpaceYeti]

Okay, well, I'm different in that I don't buffet around the Cartesian brain in a jar possibilities like they're anything greater than an entertaining thought. Entertaining or not, they're completely useless when you're trying to figure out what's actually true. Until you have a reason to suspect you're in the Matrix, understanding you could be is irrelevant to the life you're actually living.

I'm also not like the jackasses who, once someone claims they know something, remind them they cannot have absolutely certain knowledge... because they didn't say they did. They said they had knowledge, which means they have a good reason to suppose a thing is true, not absolutely, perfectly true reason which cannot be questioned or modified. I don't know if these jerks think they're being deep or are actually trying to correct what the person said, but in either case they fail miserably.

I'm also not depressed.

 

[Chad]

Okay, well, I'm different in that I don't buffet around the Cartesian brain in a jar possibilities like they're anything greater than an entertaining thought. Entertaining or not, they're completely useless when you're trying to figure out what's actually true. Until you have a reason to suspect you're in the Matrix, understanding you could be is irrelevant to the life you're actually living.

I'm also not like the jackasses who, once someone claims they know something, remind them they cannot have absolutely certain knowledge... because they didn't say they did. They said they had knowledge, which means they have a good reason to suppose a thing is true, not absolutely, perfectly true reason which cannot be questioned or modified. I don't know if these jerks think they're being deep or are actually trying to correct what the person said, but in either case they fail miserably.

I'm also not depressed.

I am also not depressed. Thanks for sharing. I relate to your frustration on all three issue. However, I might actually be one of the jerks you are talking about in your second point.

Its mostly unintentional verbiage for me now.

 

[Chad]

Regardless of what your views are having incongruent views makes you hard to relate to and thus you have difficulty relating to others, I'm not saying your views are wrong, I may have implied it but that's just me being biased, ignore it, the point I really want to make is that if you address that incongruity (however you address it) the resulting congruence will make you more relatable to others and so you'll have an easier time finding people who you can relate to.

Is that a good thing? I dunno.

All my life my family has tried to impress upon me a love of football (rugby) because they love it and by sharing an appreciation for something like that I'll be better socially connected to them and everyone else in society that loves football too. But I resisted, I thought it was dumb then and I still think it's dumb now, indeed I seem to be compelled to shun anything that people are commonly interested in favour of my own esoteric interests, which has of course has lead me to the relative social fringes of society.

Which isn't a bad thing, the stuff people are normally interested in is often crap

I agree with what is in bold. This is one of my many issues but I really don't worry that much about relating to people. Some time I think it would be nice to have an ally but it is what it is.

I generally see the point in most peoples arguments. I can see both sides to the debate and sometimes I agree with both sides. The problem is most people don't find the same links between things as I do.

Personally I think that make my opinion better (not in general but in the argument at hand) because I can see the truth and the false hood in both perspectives.

 

[Chad]

Okay, I guess only me and SpaceYeti are different then the normal INTP former.

Way to many conformist out there.

 

[scorpiomover]

Okay, Here is my newest thought about this forum.

Meany of us came here to find a place to fit into. This is attractive mostly because as INTPs we really don't fit in with the average crowed.

However, the more time I spend on here the more I realize that I am not like other people on this forum.

Join the club, Chad. I keep thinking I can't be an INTP, because I have several differences between me and the majority of INTPs here:

1) I'm tidy. Always have been.

2) I'm a theist. I enjoy many aspects of religion. I love thinking about theism.

3) I'm anti-revolutionary. I believe that most revolutions lead to more problems than they solve.

4) (My most recent one, and one that really made me question my INTP-ness) I HAVE to study for a test. I've even got 0.5% on my German exam, and wasn't allowed to take it further.

 

[Chad]

Join the club, Chad. I keep thinking I can't be an INTP, because I have several differences between me and the majority of INTPs here:

1) I'm tidy. Always have been.

2) I'm a theist. I enjoy many aspects of religion. I love thinking about theism.

3) I'm anti-revolutionary. I believe that most revolutions lead to more problems than they solve.

4) (My most recent one, and one that really made me question my INTP-ness) I HAVE to study for a test. I've even got 0.5% on my German exam, and wasn't allowed to take it further.

Ya, the Tidy thing is different. But it could just be one of your interests.

As you know I am a theist too and there are several theist on this site. Its not that hard to find. Theology is general like philosophy or science can be very interesting for many INTPs of the similar reasons.

I don't know if I am anti-revolution or not. I would say I am anti participation in the revolutionary process. Mostly because I don't see the point of using violence or the threat of violence to solve anything. The problem is it works sometimes so it hard to stop people form trying. Generally I would prefer other ways to dealing with problems.

Many INTPs have to study for test. I don't but that because of my intelligence and rudimentary memorization skills it has as for as I know very little to do with my personalty.

 

[jantling]

I'll go. My interests are less serious and fewer in number.
I seem to have a greater interest in metaphysics.

Small example: I'm perfectly fine with believing people have a soul. (Or wondering if they do anyway.)
Even if: 1. I'd like it proven 2. I don't think whatever it is lasts 3. I don't think it is what most modern people have been religiously influenced to believe it is and 4. I doubt it exists in any way we can experience which makes 1 impossible and begins an entirely new debate about what makes reality, etc.


Disclaimer: I'm not trying to continue or begin any religious arguments here (which any similiar discussion I attempted in real life dissolved into); these thoughts are mostly for my own entertainment and stay unspoken about 90% of the time.

I also have abnormally high expectations for people that ridiculously border on romanticism at times despite being fairly confident that the human race will ultimately amount to nothing. Also, I'm technologically incompetent due to sporadic electrcity access growing up.

I still ride my elephant to work and am waiting for the industral revolution to reach me.

 

[Chad]

I'll go. My interests are less serious and fewer in number.
I seem to have a greater interest in metaphysics.

Small example: I'm perfectly fine with believing people have a soul. (Or wondering if they do anyway.)
Even if: 1. I'd like it proven 2. I don't think whatever it is lasts 3. I don't think it is what most modern people have been religiously influenced to believe it is and 4. I doubt it exists in any way we can experience which makes 1 impossible and begins an entirely new debate about what makes reality, etc.


Disclaimer: I'm not trying to continue or begin any religious arguments here (which any similiar discussion I attempted in real life dissolved into); these thoughts are mostly for my own entertainment and stay unspoken about 90% of the time.

I also have abnormally high expectations for people that ridiculously border on romanticism at times despite being fairly confident that the human race will ultimately amount to nothing. Also, I'm technologically incompetent due to sporadic electrcity access growing up.

I still ride my elephant to work and am waiting for the industral revolution to reach me.

I find you incite very fascinating. I am not sure if I have seen you post here before.

Welcome.

 

[Chad]

Maybe you're an ISFJ? Your arguments contain plenty of references to experience and are often quite emotionally loaded: ad-hominem, arm-chair psychology, the works.

-Duxwing

What are you are local experts on what is INTP.

Tell me Darkwing what make you different? If your opinions are the same as everyone else around hear why are they important?

 

[bartoli]

I can only answer in MBTI terms, as i generally don't qualify myself, just try to be me and to improve myself. The main difference i see with the other members is that you all seem like a lot more E and J compared to me. Also, even though what i am most is INTP, i am am near the the N/S and P/J limits.

 

[jantling]

I find you incite very fascinating. I am not sure if I have seen you post here before.

Welcome.

I'm glad. (On both counts.)

And Thank You. (2011)

 

[dormiens]

Just registered, but I have known about this forum and another for a while.

What makes me different: I enjoy poetry by Emily Dickinson and Shakespeare. I usually feel deeply in my chest (even if I know this is a physiological response, and if my heart was in my hand, I would feel deeply there instead), but this feeling doesn't quite express outwardly except perhaps where I walk alone in some train stations and I recite such and such lines to myself:

"I crave him grace of Summer Boughs,
If such an Outcast be,
Who never heard that fleshless Chant
Sit solemn on the Tree
As if some Caravan of Sounds
Off deserts - in the Sky
Had Parted Rank, Then knit and swept,
In seamless Company."

Outwardly, I know I tend to try to be detached, but I will grin at whatever mildly amusing thoughts pop up in my head, wherever I'm located. I make efforts at small talks. I am trying to express my feeling verbally rather than repress them, such as saying, "I am upset with you. I am unhappy with this result. I like this. I am feeling joyful at the moment, which naturally can be disrupted." because communication has been a somewhat important subject to me. I'm often fascinated by how what I say is misunderstood by others, because of unseen biases or what I know that I forget aren't shared by them.

My background is growing up deaf (perhaps postlinguistically), with parents and speech therapists who emphasized the importance of learning how to talk and read lips (without learning sign language as well), so the childhood way has been a ingrained knowledge that my deafness makes me "special" (in the personal attention often given to me by other people, like teachers, who accommodate my needs) and isolated at the same time.

 

[Chad]

Just registered, but I have known about this forum and another for a while.

What makes me different: I enjoy poetry by Emily Dickinson and Shakespeare. I usually feel deeply in my chest (even if I know this is a physiological response, and if my heart was in my hand, I would feel deeply there instead), but this feeling doesn't quite express outwardly except perhaps where I walk alone in some train stations and I recite such and such lines to myself:

"I crave him grace of Summer Boughs,
If such an Outcast be,
Who never heard that fleshless Chant
Sit solemn on the Tree
As if some Caravan of Sounds
Off deserts - in the Sky
Had Parted Rank, Then knit and swept,
In seamless Company."

Outwardly, I know I tend to try to be detached, but I will grin at whatever mildly amusing thoughts pop up in my head, wherever I'm located. I make efforts at small talks. I am trying to express my feeling verbally rather than repress them, such as saying, "I am upset with you. I am unhappy with this result. I like this. I am feeling joyful at the moment, which naturally can be disrupted." because communication has been a somewhat important subject to me. I'm often fascinated by how what I say is misunderstood by others, because of unseen biases or what I know that I forget aren't shared by them.

My background is growing up deaf (perhaps postlinguistically), with parents and speech therapists who emphasized the importance of learning how to talk and read lips (without learning sign language as well), so the childhood way has been a ingrained knowledge that my deafness makes me "special" (in the personal attention often given to me by other people, like teachers, who accommodate my needs) and isolated at the same time.

Interesting, I was hard of hearing as a child but not death. I can relate to spending meany years in speech therapy though. I still have a noticeable speech impediment.

I taken several sign language class. Do you know sign now or no?

 

[dormiens]

Interesting, I was hard of hearing as a child but not death. I can relate to spending meany years in speech therapy though. I still have a noticeable speech impediment.

I taken several sign language class. Do you know sign now or no?

Yep, I started really learning ASL at age 16 (though I knew a few words and the alphabet before then) and have enjoyed using it as part of my vocabulary ever since. It has opened up a world in the sense that I now have choices. Before, I often wondered what I was missing out on, but my interaction with many deaf people has given me the sense that I didn't miss out on that much. I suppose that's a bit cynical, but it's better for me to know and to choose to be left out than to be feel left out and wonder.

Do you and I share that sense of feeling different from other INTPs by virtue of our hearing loss? Meaning, is our INTPness created or enforced by the communication inequality we experience? I think it's enforced. I would like to see an MBTI study on people with disability (not just hearing-related) to see if having a disability results in a different distribution of personality types. (My idle thinking is a lot of people with hearing loss of different degrees are shy around hearing people rather than introverted, and open up to people like themselves if they know ASL.)

I used to call myself hard of hearing too, but I evaluated my hearing disability and thought it was "severe to profound" enough to warrant it being called deafness, plus being more a part of the deaf community (or at least reading about it) has made me take on this label as well. But I still feel strongly a part of the hearing world too. Deaf and hard of hearing.

 

[GodOfOrder]

MBTI describes the way in which one approaches perception and interaction with the world, not the specifics of interaction. This distinction is important to make for understanding why we are different.

What we have in common; we are introverted, we rely on intuition, we place mind over heart, and we perceive not judge.

This does not in any way mean that our experiences are the same, but only that we go through similar processes when responding to our outside stimuli. Due to the subjectivity of individual experience these similar processes produce differing results based in differing experiential input. As a result our opinions differ greatly, as well as our likes/ dislikes, and our areas of interest and expertise.

Thus the commonality we seek on this forum is based not on our conclusions, but our common cognitive process and method. Thus we see a wide variety of perspectives on the INTP forum. INTPness is based not on common views, hobbies, fields, or opinions but on INTPness, which is decidedly different.

The agreement you seek on INTP forum is based not on opinions or beliefs, but rather on the cognitive similarity of INTPs. If one seeks commonalities of interests or opinions, there exist places for that, but that is not the banner that we are collected under.

 

[Chad]

Yep, I started really learning ASL at age 16 (though I knew a few words and the alphabet before then) and have enjoyed using it as part of my vocabulary ever since. It has opened up a world in the sense that I now have choices. Before, I often wondered what I was missing out on, but my interaction with many deaf people has given me the sense that I didn't miss out on that much. I suppose that's a bit cynical, but it's better for me to know and to choose to be left out than to be feel left out and wonder.

Do you and I share that sense of feeling different from other INTPs by virtue of our hearing loss? Meaning, is our INTPness created or enforced by the communication inequality we experience? I think it's enforced. I would like to see an MBTI study on people with disability (not just hearing-related) to see if having a disability results in a different distribution of personality types. (My idle thinking is a lot of people with hearing loss of different degrees are shy around hearing people rather than introverted, and open up to people like themselves if they know ASL.)

I used to call myself hard of hearing too, but I evaluated my hearing disability and thought it was "severe to profound" enough to warrant it being called deafness, plus being more a part of the deaf community (or at least reading about it) has made me take on this label as well. But I still feel strongly a part of the hearing world too. Deaf and hard of hearing.

As a young child I was deaf but now I hear just in a diminished way. My hearing loss as a child was caused my malnutrition and not getting proper medical attention for my ear infections as a baby.

I had tubes put in my ears 3 time 6, 8, and 10. My hearing improved a lot after this and I can carry on a normal conversation with people as long as they speak up. I found out before I went to college that I had a developed a hole in my right eat drum form the surgeries I had done as a child. Every time I have seen the doctor about it since I have found that it has grown worse and I am starting to loss my hearing in that ear very slowly. The doctor say I will need hearing aids by the time I am 35. I am 28 right now.

My speaking problems come form the fact that I don't actually hear myself talk. (I hate hearing recordings of myself because I sound mental challenged and I am not). Since I am not hearing myself I believe that I am talking normally and I have a noticeable sler on my Th sounds. Some times I think its getting better until I hear a recording of my voice again.

From my ASL class I took in college I learn a lot about the deaf community. Its very fascinating and functional. I really don't want to lose the hearing I have left because I only know so much sign and I don't know anyone else that knows sign anymore since I moved to Maine with my wife. My wife says she would learn if I lost my hearing but I still find it a scary idea.

 

[Kuu]

I think that mostly this question will provide, rather than a view of what people think makes them different, a view into what they consider a stereotype INTP or INTPforum user to be, as they must inevitably compare themselves against that, yet that is not a shared and agreed upon concept, but a personal one...

Personally, I've grown tired of theorising and nitpicking and endless philosophical abstractions and have become much more active, pragmatic, and empirical in my approach to understanding things. This and other external factors have pushed me deeper into a reborn interest in politics (coming full circle into some of my early intuitions after a decade of much questioning and researching) which seems to be a fringe interest here (at best) or a largely ignored and disdained sphere of knowledge (at worst). Pondering the issues and complexities of social systems from the point of view of an admin is certainly a useful and insightful lesson into bureaucracy, ideals and realpolitik.

I don't share the relatively optimistic, it'll-all-be-fine attitude that seems prevalent here when it comes to human civilisation and the future. I'm a fan of technology but technology is knowledge, a neutral tool, which can be used for many purposes. Not only do I think we are headed for a technological dystopia, but that we are already living in a dystopian civilisation. And the prospects are bleak. Which segues into the topic of revolution. I think widespread, violent revolution is the only way to effect significant change in the prevailing social structures, though I still think failure is more likely than success when it comes to that. Those who foolishly delude themselves with the passive and pacifying notion that peaceful revolution has any actual chance end up sidelined if not trampled by the savage internal forces of contemporary society. I'm not an advocate of violence, it is just that little choice is left by the oppressive socioeconomic status quo which makes collapse or revolution its inexorable conclusion, an act of self-defense delayed far too long.

Without group collective action, few things can be achieved. The apparently widespread idea that INTPs must inevitably be isolated geniuses is repulsive and flawed. Rationalising selfish individualism due to introversion and social-emotional difficulties is a significant logical misstep for people so keen on considering themselves intelligent, seemingly more an excuse to avoid truly understanding and dealing with other people. Incapacity to engage others constructively and realise the necessity and utility of human collectives is a gigantic wall that so-called INTPs repeatedly crash into, and also one of the main causes of failure for reactive social movements that lack a clear long term political program.

 

[scorpiomover]

As a young child I was deaf but now I hear just in a diminished way. My hearing loss as a child was caused my malnutrition and not getting proper medical attention for my ear infections as a baby.

I had tubes put in my ears 3 time 6, 8, and 10. My hearing improved a lot after this and I can carry on a normal conversation with people as long as they speak up. I found out before I went to college that I had a developed a hole in my right eat drum form the surgeries I had done as a child. Every time I have seen the doctor about it since I have found that it has grown worse and I am starting to loss my hearing in that ear very slowly. The doctor say I will need hearing aids by the time I am 35. I am 28 right now.

Wow. When I was 6 months old, my mother was carrying a tray full of metal objects. She dropped it right behind me, where I was playing. Naturally, it made a huge noise. All my siblings came running in, saying "mummy, mummy, what happened?" I just kept on playing, as if I hadn't heard a thing.

She took me to the doctor, who diagnosed me with an ear infection. I got antibotics for it, and after a few weeks, it went away. But then I got another ear infection a few weeks after. I kept getting ear infections for the next 18 months.

From then on, I've had intermittent hearing problems. Sometimes, I hear fine. When everything was silent, I could hear the slightest noises, even the hum of the TV when it was on standby. But at unexpected times, people had to repeat themselves 6 times before I heard what they said. I had my hearing tested when I was 23-24. One ear is just borderline, and the other is just above borderline.

 

[defghi]

I don't have sufficient information to say whether there is anything about me that differs from any or all of you. In all likelihood, at least one of you shares every preference that I could come up with.

 

[Chad]

I don't have sufficient information to say whether there is anything about me that differs from any or all of you. In all likelihood, at least one of you shares every preference that I could come up with.

More then likely, its more for fun and we are talking in more general terms. I think there are some people her that at least understand if not agree with all of my opinions. However, there are other opinions that I have that the majority of the site seams to disagree with.

It hypothetical and fun mostly. However, maybe your low post count means you haven't been hear long.

Mostly I am trying to bring up new conversations but cause some people want to have the same old arguments with me.

I however, am part of the problem. Mostly because I reference the same things that make people either uncomfortable or just being up the same subjects they love to argue. Either one I am not sure which most of the time.

 

[Absurdity]

I think that mostly this question will provide, rather than a view of what people think makes them different, a view into what they consider a stereotype INTP or INTPforum user to be, as they must inevitably compare themselves against that, yet that is not a shared and agreed upon concept, but a personal one...

Personally, I've grown tired of theorising and nitpicking and endless philosophical abstractions and have become much more active, pragmatic, and empirical in my approach to understanding things. This and other external factors have pushed me deeper into a reborn interest in politics (coming full circle into some of my early intuitions after a decade of much questioning and researching) which seems to be a fringe interest here (at best) or a largely ignored and disdained sphere of knowledge (at worst). Pondering the issues and complexities of social systems from the point of view of an admin is certainly a useful and insightful lesson into bureaucracy, ideals and realpolitik.

I don't share the relatively optimistic, it'll-all-be-fine attitude that seems prevalent here when it comes to human civilisation and the future. I'm a fan of technology but technology is knowledge, a neutral tool, which can be used for many purposes. Not only do I think we are headed for a technological dystopia, but that we are already living in a dystopian civilisation. And the prospects are bleak. Which segues into the topic of revolution. I think widespread, violent revolution is the only way to effect significant change in the prevailing social structures, though I still think failure is more likely than success when it comes to that. Those who foolishly delude themselves with the passive and pacifying notion that peaceful revolution has any actual chance end up sidelined if not trampled by the savage internal forces of contemporary society. I'm not an advocate of violence, it is just that little choice is left by the oppressive socioeconomic status quo which makes collapse or revolution its inexorable conclusion, an act of self-defense delayed far too long.

Without group collective action, few things can be achieved. The apparently widespread idea that INTPs must inevitably be isolated geniuses is repulsive and flawed. Rationalising selfish individualism due to introversion and social-emotional difficulties is a significant logical misstep for people so keen on considering themselves intelligent, seemingly more an excuse to avoid truly understanding and dealing with other people. Incapacity to engage others constructively and realise the necessity and utility of human collectives is a gigantic wall that so-called INTPs repeatedly crash into, and also one of the main causes of failure for reactive social movements that lack a clear long term political program.

Physically cringing at the irony that this post was ignored considering the thread's stated goals.

@Kuu what has becoming more "active, pragmatic, and empirical" entailed for you? I've had a longstanding interest in radical politics, although I go through periodic bouts of disillusionment only to reembrace it later. I've been hesitant to become a part of any serious group because of this instability, but perhaps a little solidarity is exactly what I need?

 

[Chad]

I didn't intend for the conversation to end up like this. Sorry.

-Duxwing

@Daxwing I am not in the least bit upset and you can keep trolling if you wish.

This was all a ploy to get you to join the actually discussion. You are a relatively active member and I am hoping you could shed some light on the perspective you actually bring to the table. You seem very talented at arguing the at arguing the status Quo as least form a INTP perspective.

I believe you to be an INTP and I am not challenging that but I believe if you are an INTP you should be able to think creatively and outside the box even the INTP box.

Therefore with that said I will ask you again. Look at yourself and tell us what new creative perspective you bring to the table.

It doesn't really matter if we agree with you or not being self reflective and thinking out side the box show INTP character. Arguing the same old positions that you have heard form your parents and teacher show immaturity.

I have yet seen you bring anything new to the table I respecfully challenge you to prove me wrong.

By the one this is one argument you should be able to win easily.

 

[StoicMind]

@OP me and you are very similar, I grew up in a Christian home, but I adopted a more spiritual application of Christianity and its teachings and I see science is more so evidence of God rather than the antithesis. I also reject basically all holidays; Christmas, Easter, Halloween, etc. And someone said how can you rationally have faith and that the definition of faith is irrational, we all have faith we get in our car and expect it to work (unless its had previous trouble, with that being said why would someone continue, having faith in God if they haven't seen any result of some sort), whats are basis for believing in the ability of the car to start besides the fact that thats what we expect it to do, its the function of it. people don't realize how often we exercise faith, so its kind of self deprecating in a way to say that faith is irrational

 

[defghi]

whats are basis for believing in the ability of the car to start besides the fact that thats what we expect it to do

Usually, that would be the part where I try to start my car and it either starts, or does not start.

 

[QuickTwist]

-My humor is different
-I listen to different music
-I don't ususally care for the subtleties of language (never have)
-I am very socialy awkward; I don't know the unwritten rules
-I am gullible
-I care more about the practicle application of said rules rather than the theory (I know this sounds contradictory) Example: I only scored better than 55% of others in algebra for the ACT but for Trig I scored better than 95%.

 

[Duxwing]

@Daxwing I am not in the least bit upset and you can keep trolling if you wish.

I didn't even intend to troll.

This was all a ploy to get you to join the actually discussion. You are a relatively active member and I am hoping you could shed some light on the perspective you actually bring to the table. You seem very talented at arguing the at arguing the status Quo as least form a INTP perspective.

Nice backhanded compliment.

I believe you to be an INTP and I am not challenging that but I believe if you are an INTP you should be able to think creatively and outside the box even the INTP box.

Therefore with that said I will ask you again. Look at yourself and tell us what new creative perspective you bring to the table.

It doesn't really matter if we agree with you or not being self reflective and thinking out side the box show INTP character. Arguing the same old positions that you have heard form your parents and teacher show immaturity.

I have yet seen you bring anything new to the table I respecfully challenge you to prove me wrong.

By the one this is one argument you should be able to win easily.

Hehe, good one. Non-INTP behaviors? Hmmmm...

Aha!

--From time to time, I love bobbing and weaving through hall traffic in school, searching for gaps in the throng. It feels like flying a jet plane or driving a race car.
--I like drawing and singing

-Duxwing

 

[Chad]

I didn't even intend to troll.



Nice backhanded compliment.



Hehe, good one. Non-INTP behaviors? Hmmmm...

Aha!

--From time to time, I love bobbing and weaving through hall traffic in school, searching for gaps in the throng. It feels like flying a jet plane or driving a race car.
--I like drawing and singing

-Duxwing

Ah you got me. You finally proved me wrong and I fully admit it.

I sometimes found it interesting to weave threw large crowds especially in high school were this became a necessary feat.

However I find the Jet Plane and Driving a race car sensation completely origanl form me.

I some time fantasizing about the world imploding are falling apart behind me as I drive some times.

I not good at drawing or Singing. I encourage to post your art on here. I find it interesting to see and hear what other people come up with artistically. It really doesn't matter much if its good. Its the creativity that cool to see.

 

[Hawkeye]

--From time to time, I love bobbing and weaving through hall traffic in school, searching for gaps in the throng. It feels like flying a jet plane or driving a race car.

This was a game I played endlessly with my best friend throughout school. We called it "Gaps" - not the most creative of names...

During the early years of school - I was king bob. I owned the yard and people came to me if there were any issues. This included the year above where they smuggled me into the "big boys yard" (8-9 year old plus yard - I was 7) - haha

I lost this power when kids hit the famous double digit age where you're supposed to act more mature...

 

[Duxwing]

Ah you got me. You finally proved me wrong and I fully admit it.

Thank you.

I sometimes found it interesting to weave threw large crowds especially in high school were this became a necessary feat.

However I find the Jet Plane and Driving a race car sensation completely origanl form me.

I some time fantasizing about the world imploding are falling apart behind me as I drive some times.

I not good at drawing or Singing. I encourage to post your art on here. I find it interesting to see and hear what other people come up with artistically. It really doesn't matter much if its good. Its the creativity that cool to see.

You should see two pictures up soon.

-Duxwing

 

[Fukyo]

I'm an atheist but I don't have religion angst like many here. Chalk it up to a non-religious upbringing and a negligibly religious environment.

Never cared for experimentation with drugs, psychoactive or otherwise. I don't have angst about romantic relationships, don't care much about A.I. and the Singularity. I'm not into progressive/indie music, don't game, I'm interested in biological sciences, not many save for Agent Intellect and the habitat doctor are. I'm a fan of anime. Plenty of things catch my fancy particularly the brain, biology, sociology, human behavior, genetics, internet culture, human perspectives and worldviews radically different from mine, unlike many here I have tolerance and interest in outlandish subjects like astrology or otherkin just because I'm drawn to the strange. Anyway, plenty of topics I'm interested in don't get discussed here.


Lastly, I don't consider myself INTP.

 

[Fukyo]

Duxwing and scorpiomover, seriously stop derailing this thread. I'm going to have to move your posts to their own thread.

 

[Duxwing]

Duxwing and scorpiomover, seriously stop derailing this thread. I'm going to have to move your posts to their own thread.

Understood. Ceasing debate.

-Duxwing

 

[SpaceYeti]

Usually, that would be the part where I try to start my car and it either starts, or does not start.

Past observations are, in fact, a form of evidence. Witnessing a thing work a certain way is evidence it will do so again.

 

[walfin]

Maybe you are slightly feeling-type. Or an Enneagram 4w5 (as opposed to 5w4 or 5w6). Have you tried Enneagram?

Even when I was a confirmed INTP I felt different here because I was 4w5 on the Enneagram and functional tests always pegged me as having high Fi (normally it would come in 3rd, after Ne).

In any case, I find no conflict in being an INTP and remaining a Christian, in whatever form. But it's good to realise Christianity is an especially unpopular belief here (although there is less hostility towards the individual Christians themselves as opposed to INTPc). It's best to simply not participate in the forum's "God or no" debates; there are better things to talk about anyway.

 

[defghi]

Past observations are, in fact, a form of evidence. Witnessing a thing work a certain way is evidence it will do so again.

Of course. But that gives us evidence, not faith.

 

[PhoenixRising]

imo, it's naive to think that any one person is that much different from all the rest. Pieces of each of us are scattered throughout the human race. We desire to be different, we compare ourselves to the handful of people that surround us and draw the conclusion that we are unique from most people. The human race is a repetitive system though, it is likely that everyone has at least one identical twin.

It seems to be human nature to desire mutual understanding, with this in mind, it's ironic that we strive so much for individuality.

 

[valiums]

I find it very annoying at work when people tell me to "Just tell me to move." or "You can yell at me to get out of your way.", because I do in fact enjoy ducking around them. I also like the three-seconds' peace when I''m waiting for someone to move, and don't really see why waiting one second to order them, another for them to comprehend, and another for them to move is somehow better.

I am at peace with my constant air of naivete. I used to hate being treated like an idiot child, but now I see this more as a fantastic way of judging how someone judges me. Too many doors have opened up from this for me to be mad anymore.

I guess that's it.

 

[Chad]

Thanks for sharing everyone. I find it interesting that we can all be wired similarly however we still find new in interesting ways to express these quirks.

 

[Chad]

Point 3.

Like a few other people on this thread. I don't quite get the fascination with A.I and Synergy. That is prevalent on this forum. The consent may be interesting enough as a sci-fi topic. I am a fan of the Matrix and other like sci-fi genre however, I don't see it as a practical application for real life. I am open to be proven wrong about anything but as of yet I view synergy as hopeful fiction. I also don't fall in to the other extreme and believe that we either live in a dystopia nor do I believe that we are heading that way anymore then I believe we are heading to a utopia society. Haman are masters of adaptation and tools. We master this enough to just get by. I feel unless something dramatic were to happen like a global massive flood, Virus outbreak, massive volcanic or earth activity, Commit strike or massive world war (nuclear). The human race will keep on treading along and surviving.

Actually like rats we are very resilient to change therefore even in the events above I would assume some people would survive in the waist of what is left on earth. The human race may not last forever by are end is not in site just quite yet.